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It\'s sad how many damaged people there are. And that they gravitate
here.
On Sun, 12 Mar 2023 05:29:00 +1100, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 12 Mar 2023 05:13:07 +1100, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Sat, 11 Mar 2023 18:08:16 +0100, Peeler <trolltrap@valid.invalid
wrote:
On Sat, 11 Mar 2023 07:28:46 -0800 (PST), tardo_4, the notorious,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blathered again:
A surge protector doesn\'t absorb surges
Let\'s not forget, all you idiotic troll-feeding senile assholes on ahr
that
the troll you gladly keep feeding has a \"degree\" in electronics which
he
repeatedly and proudly uploaded on the Internet! He clearly THRIVES on
senile idiots on Usenet! <BG
What degrees do you have?
Electronic sniping and a short circuit between the ears.
You sound like a classic engineer-hating technician.
Nothing even remotely like that, not even a certificate in dunny
cleaning.
It\'s sad how many damaged people there are.
And that they gravitate
here.
On 3/11/2023 10:13 AM, John Larkin wrote:
What degrees do you have? You sound like a classic engineer-hating
technician. It ain\'t our fault we went to college; most of us were
there for the girls.
LOL! Not the engineers I know.
The sort that carried a K&E slide rule with the magnifying cursor in a
belt holster? I got the same answers with my $1.59 plastic slipstick and
had money left over for drugs, sex, and rock\'n\'roll.
On Sat, 11 Mar 2023 11:28:02 -0800, Bob F wrote:
On 3/11/2023 10:13 AM, John Larkin wrote:
What degrees do you have? You sound like a classic engineer-hating
technician. It ain\'t our fault we went to college; most of us were
there for the girls.
LOL! Not the engineers I know.
The sort that carried a K&E slide rule with the magnifying cursor in a
belt holster? I got the same answers with my $1.59 plastic slipstick and
had money left over for drugs, sex, and rock\'n\'roll.
I knew an undergraduate, Joe Dietzgen, whose father I believe had theOn 11 Mar 2023 22:10:58 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Sat, 11 Mar 2023 11:28:02 -0800, Bob F wrote:
On 3/11/2023 10:13 AM, John Larkin wrote:
What degrees do you have? You sound like a classic engineer-hating
technician. It ain\'t our fault we went to college; most of us were
there for the girls.
LOL! Not the engineers I know.
The sort that carried a K&E slide rule with the magnifying cursor in a
belt holster? I got the same answers with my $1.59 plastic slipstick and
had money left over for drugs, sex, and rock\'n\'roll.
Real Men carried yellow aluminum Pickett slide rules. Bamboo slide
rules were *old fashioned*
I got an HP35 calculator while I was in college; I still have it. We
weren\'t allowed to use calculators during exams because it gave \"an
unfair advantage to rich kids.\"
Going to college was such an adventure... the things you mention. Not
in that order.
On 3/11/2023 6:45 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On 11 Mar 2023 22:10:58 GMT, rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote:
On Sat, 11 Mar 2023 11:28:02 -0800, Bob F wrote:
On 3/11/2023 10:13 AM, John Larkin wrote:
What degrees do you have? You sound like a classic engineer-hating
technician. It ain\'t our fault we went to college; most of us were
there for the girls.
LOL! Not the engineers I know.
The sort that carried a K&E slide rule with the magnifying cursor in a
belt holster? I got the same answers with my $1.59 plastic slipstick and
had money left over for drugs, sex, and rock\'n\'roll.
Real Men carried yellow aluminum Pickett slide rules. Bamboo slide
rules were *old fashioned*
I got an HP35 calculator while I was in college; I still have it. We
weren\'t allowed to use calculators during exams because it gave \"an
unfair advantage to rich kids.\"
Going to college was such an adventure... the things you mention. Not
in that order.
I knew an undergraduate, Joe Dietzgen, whose father I believe had the
slide rule company. Wonder what happened to him and company.
All we had were slide rules and if calculations to too many significant
figures were needed we used log tables.
Working in R&D years later, I once had an older mechanical engineer lab
partner that did all his calculations with pencil and paper ignoring
calculators and computers.
I got an HP35 calculator while I was in college; I still have it. We
weren\'t allowed to use calculators during exams because it gave \"an
unfair advantage to rich kids.\"
I knew an undergraduate, Joe Dietzgen, whose father I believe had the
slide rule company. Wonder what happened to him and company.
On Sat, 11 Mar 2023 19:26:00 -0500, Frank wrote:
I knew an undergraduate, Joe Dietzgen, whose father I believe had the
slide rule company. Wonder what happened to him and company.
I knew the Dietzgen name from drafting tools. The name is still around but
it company seems limited to drafting paper and film rather than tools.
Interesting family tree:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Dietzgen
In some ways slide rules made for better engineers. They gave you a
grounding in reality rather than the ability to instantaneously calculate
a value to nine decimal places, six of which are meaningless.
On 3/11/2023 6:45 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On 11 Mar 2023 22:10:58 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Sat, 11 Mar 2023 11:28:02 -0800, Bob F wrote:
On 3/11/2023 10:13 AM, John Larkin wrote:
What degrees do you have? You sound like a classic engineer-hating
technician. It ain\'t our fault we went to college; most of us were
there for the girls.
LOL! Not the engineers I know.
The sort that carried a K&E slide rule with the magnifying cursor in a
belt holster? I got the same answers with my $1.59 plastic slipstick and
had money left over for drugs, sex, and rock\'n\'roll.
Real Men carried yellow aluminum Pickett slide rules. Bamboo slide
rules were *old fashioned*
I got an HP35 calculator while I was in college; I still have it. We
weren\'t allowed to use calculators during exams because it gave \"an
unfair advantage to rich kids.\"
Going to college was such an adventure... the things you mention. Not
in that order.
I knew an undergraduate, Joe Dietzgen, whose father I believe had the
slide rule company. Wonder what happened to him and company.
All we had were slide rules and if calculations to too many significant
figures were needed we used log tables.
Working in R&D years later, I once had an older mechanical engineer lab
partner that did all his calculations with pencil and paper ignoring
calculators and computers.
I certainly don\'t remember long division. I guess I could figure out how
to subtract and maybe even multiply if I had to. I doubt I\'d ever have
to.
On Sat, 11 Mar 2023 19:26:00 -0500, Frank <frank@frank.net> wrote:
On 3/11/2023 6:45 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On 11 Mar 2023 22:10:58 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Sat, 11 Mar 2023 11:28:02 -0800, Bob F wrote:
On 3/11/2023 10:13 AM, John Larkin wrote:
What degrees do you have? You sound like a classic engineer-hating
technician. It ain\'t our fault we went to college; most of us were
there for the girls.
LOL! Not the engineers I know.
The sort that carried a K&E slide rule with the magnifying cursor in a
belt holster? I got the same answers with my $1.59 plastic slipstick
and
had money left over for drugs, sex, and rock\'n\'roll.
Real Men carried yellow aluminum Pickett slide rules. Bamboo slide
rules were *old fashioned*
I got an HP35 calculator while I was in college; I still have it. We
weren\'t allowed to use calculators during exams because it gave \"an
unfair advantage to rich kids.\"
Going to college was such an adventure... the things you mention. Not
in that order.
I knew an undergraduate, Joe Dietzgen, whose father I believe had the
slide rule company. Wonder what happened to him and company.
All we had were slide rules and if calculations to too many significant
figures were needed we used log tables.
Working in R&D years later, I once had an older mechanical engineer lab
partner that did all his calculations with pencil and paper ignoring
calculators and computers.
I certainly don\'t remember long division. I guess I could figure out
how to subtract and maybe even multiply if I had to. I doubt I\'d ever
have to.
I tend to over-tip, to keep the math easy.
On Sat, 11 Mar 2023 21:29:24 -0800, John Larkin wrote:
I certainly don\'t remember long division. I guess I could figure out how
to subtract and maybe even multiply if I had to. I doubt I\'d ever have
to.
Back in the day I was pretty adept with the Trachtenberg system of
multiplication and I would confirm the product by casting out the nines. I
might still be able to do it with 2 2 digit numbers on a good day.
I don\'t know when started to do it but I find my subtraction is a two part
process now. For example how many years from 1974 to 2023? tens to become
26 (1974 + 26 = 2000) + 23 = 49 rather than borrow 1 for 13 - 4 is 9,
borrow 1 for 11 - 7 is 4.
On Sat, 11 Mar 2023 21:29:24 -0800, John Larkin wrote:
I certainly don\'t remember long division. I guess I could figure out how
to subtract and maybe even multiply if I had to. I doubt I\'d ever have
to.
Back in the day I was pretty adept with the Trachtenberg system of
multiplication and I would confirm the product by casting out the nines. I
might still be able to do it with 2 2 digit numbers on a good day.
I don\'t know when started to do it but I find my subtraction is a two part
process now. For example how many years from 1974 to 2023? tens to become
26 (1974 + 26 = 2000) + 23 = 49 rather than borrow 1 for 13 - 4 is 9,
borrow 1 for 11 - 7 is 4.
On 12/03/2023 05:50, rbowman wrote:
On Sat, 11 Mar 2023 21:29:24 -0800, John Larkin wrote:
I certainly don\'t remember long division. I guess I could figure out how
to subtract and maybe even multiply if I had to. I doubt I\'d ever have
to.
Back in the day I was pretty adept with the Trachtenberg system of
multiplication and I would confirm the product by casting out the nines.. I
might still be able to do it with 2 2 digit numbers on a good day.
I don\'t know when started to do it but I find my subtraction is a two part
process now. For example how many years from 1974 to 2023? tens to become
26 (1974 + 26 = 2000) + 23 = 49 rather than borrow 1 for 13 - 4 is 9,
borrow 1 for 11 - 7 is 4.
On a sum that simple I\'d probably note that 4 is greater than three by
one, and 202-197 = 5 so it is 49.
I can\'t even really remember how I do mental arithmetic. I had it
drilled into me for the 11+. And it just got instinctive.
I cant even imagine someone who cant subtract or multiply.
No wonder people believe in man made climate change.
On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 1:47:32â¯PM UTC-5, Frank wrote:
Surge protectors are a lot cheaper than appliances like microwave, TV or
computer. I had problems with all before using surge protectors.
Living in a treed area, high tension line would fall onto low tension
line to houses causing the voltage surge.
This is the sort of anecdotal claims that perpetuate the use of pointless surge protectors. If you have a power line cross, that would put not just a few joules of energy into your wiring, but the full potential energy of the high voltage power lines!!! You don\'t have any surge protectors in your house that will prevent that \"surge\" from damaging equipment.
I knew the Dietzgen name from drafting tools. The name is still around but
it company seems limited to drafting paper and film rather than tools.
Interesting family tree:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Dietzgen
In some ways slide rules made for better engineers. They gave you a
grounding in reality rather than the ability to instantaneously calculate
a value to nine decimal places, six of which are meaningless.