Screw in flourescent light bulbs.

[William Sommerwerck]

A hell of a lot more often than with incandescent lamps. A lot of
incandescent fixtures are not designed for safe operation of CFLs.

It would be more-correct to say that the CFL is not appropriate for the
fixture.

Some CFLs, I believe, are marked as not being suitable for "upside-down"
installation, because in this position they'll overheat if there isn't
sufficient circulation.

 

[GregS]

In article <6PKdndp4LYqoTKPUnZ2dnUVZ_o_inZ2d@earthlink.com>, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

Peter Hucker wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:49:11 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:14:26 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

What part of CFL lamps overheating and catching on fire goes right
over your head?

It only happens extremely occasionally.


A hell of a lot more often than with incandescent lamps.

More often I've seen excessive heat from an incandescent making the fitting
brittle, the danger not being fire directly, but the fitting collapsing later
on.

A lot of incandescent fixtures are not designed for safe operation of CFL
lamps.

Explain.


You really don't know anything, do you? Some fixtures hold in the
heat. The incandescents & ceramic sockets can handle the heat, but the
thermoplastic in the CFLs melt, the electrolytics overheat and they
fail, or catch on fire.

When I first started using them about 17 years ago, I thought I had
a few light fixtures that were way too hot, and I worried about that.
By using CFL's I would be usinf less electricity and the fixtures were much cooler.
If it was an incandescent fixture in the first place, they automatically
hold a fire for a very short period and suffocate it usually. I would worry
more about CFL's NOT in fixtures, I have one CFL in the front yard 24/365
and it probably gets real hot in the summer day, but so far its going without
problems. Fully air sealed anyway.

greg

 

[ian field]

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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ian field wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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ian field wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Peter Hucker wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:14:26 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

What part of CFL lamps overheating and catching on fire goes
right
over your head?

It only happens extremely occasionally.


A hell of a lot more often than with incandescent lamps. A lot of
incandescent fixtures are not designed for safe operation of CFL
lamps.


PHucker boasts of having rigged his house with cobbled together 12V
lighting
run from solar panels and scrounged end of life car batteries, he most
likely had some scares using LV halogens in unsuitable enclosures.


With any luck, it will burn to the ground from his shoddy work.

He has a number of parrots loose in the house - it wouldn't be fair on
them!


So, everything there is a birdbrain?

PHucker has a *very* high opinion of his own intelligence and a very low
opinion of everyone else's.

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

ian field wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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ian field wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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ian field wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Peter Hucker wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:14:26 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

What part of CFL lamps overheating and catching on fire goes
right
over your head?

It only happens extremely occasionally.


A hell of a lot more often than with incandescent lamps. A lot of
incandescent fixtures are not designed for safe operation of CFL
lamps.


PHucker boasts of having rigged his house with cobbled together 12V
lighting
run from solar panels and scrounged end of life car batteries, he most
likely had some scares using LV halogens in unsuitable enclosures.


With any luck, it will burn to the ground from his shoddy work.

He has a number of parrots loose in the house - it wouldn't be fair on
them!


So, everything there is a birdbrain?


PHucker has a *very* high opinion of his own intelligence and a very low
opinion of everyone else's.

So he's not a 'savant'?


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[ian field]

"GregS" <zekfrivo@zekfrivolous.com> wrote in message
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In article <6PKdndp4LYqoTKPUnZ2dnUVZ_o_inZ2d@earthlink.com>, "Michael A.
Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

Peter Hucker wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:49:11 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:14:26 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

What part of CFL lamps overheating and catching on fire goes
right
over your head?

It only happens extremely occasionally.


A hell of a lot more often than with incandescent lamps.

More often I've seen excessive heat from an incandescent making the
fitting
brittle, the danger not being fire directly, but the fitting collapsing
later
on.

A lot of incandescent fixtures are not designed for safe operation of
CFL
lamps.

Explain.


You really don't know anything, do you? Some fixtures hold in the
heat. The incandescents & ceramic sockets can handle the heat, but the
thermoplastic in the CFLs melt, the electrolytics overheat and they
fail, or catch on fire.


When I first started using them about 17 years ago, I thought I had
a few light fixtures that were way too hot, and I worried about that.
By using CFL's I would be usinf less electricity and the fixtures were
much cooler.
If it was an incandescent fixture in the first place, they automatically
hold a fire for a very short period and suffocate it usually. I would
worry
more about CFL's NOT in fixtures, I have one CFL in the front yard 24/365
and it probably gets real hot in the summer day, but so far its going
without
problems. Fully air sealed anyway.

greg

PHucker was claiming that the heat from incandescent lamps can set fire to
the lampholder, I haven't heard of any such cases for a few decades. Its
been a long time since I've heard of cheap imported novelty light fittings
being set alight by the heat from a "bulb" either.

The last time I changed the hall light (to fit a CFL) the brass bayonet ring
fell out of the socket because the bakelite had become brittle with age and
heat - I leave the hall light on when I'm in except when I go to bed. There
was no evidence that it might be a fire risk.

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

William Sommerwerck wrote:

A hell of a lot more often than with incandescent lamps. A lot of
incandescent fixtures are not designed for safe operation of CFLs.

It would be more-correct to say that the CFL is not appropriate for the
fixture.

If you say so, but most of the fixture designs predate the
development of CFLs.

Some CFLs, I believe, are marked as not being suitable for "upside-down"
installation, because in this position they'll overheat if there isn't
sufficient circulation.

I have one here telling you: "Do not use this product near any
maritime safety equipment, critical navigation or communication
equipment operating between .45 - 30 MHz"


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[Peter Hucker]

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 20:09:18 -0000, Michael A. Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

ian field wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Peter Hucker wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:14:26 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

What part of CFL lamps overheating and catching on fire goes right
over your head?

It only happens extremely occasionally.


A hell of a lot more often than with incandescent lamps. A lot of
incandescent fixtures are not designed for safe operation of CFL lamps.


PHucker boasts of having rigged his house with cobbled together 12V lighting
run from solar panels and scrounged end of life car batteries, he most
likely had some scares using LV halogens in unsuitable enclosures.


With any luck, it will burn to the ground form his shoddy work.

LEDs running on 12 volts are far less likely to burn than commercial lighting.

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[Peter Hucker]

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 20:17:29 -0000, Michael A. Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

ian field wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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ian field wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Peter Hucker wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:14:26 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

What part of CFL lamps overheating and catching on fire goes
right
over your head?

It only happens extremely occasionally.


A hell of a lot more often than with incandescent lamps. A lot of
incandescent fixtures are not designed for safe operation of CFL lamps.


PHucker boasts of having rigged his house with cobbled together 12V
lighting
run from solar panels and scrounged end of life car batteries, he most
likely had some scares using LV halogens in unsuitable enclosures.


With any luck, it will burn to the ground from his shoddy work.

He has a number of parrots loose in the house - it wouldn't be fair on
them!


So, everything there is a birdbrain?

Silly term "birdbrain" - most birds are more intelligent than a lot of people.


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In a trial, a Southern small-town prosecuting attorney called his first witness, a grand motherly, elderly woman to the stand.
He approached her and asked, "Mrs. Jones, do you know me?"
She responded, "Why, yes, I do know you, Mr. Williams.
I've known you since you were a young boy, and frankly, you've been a big disappointment to me.
You lie, you cheat on your wife, and you manipulate people and talk about them behind their backs.
You think you're a big shot when you haven't the brains to realize you never will amount to anything more than a two-bit paper pusher Yes, I know you."
The lawyer was stunned!
Not knowing what else to do, he pointed across the room and asked, "Mrs. Jones, do you know the defence attorney?"
She again replied, "Why, yes, I do. I've known Mr. Bradley since he was a youngster, too.
He's lazy, bigoted, and he has a drinking problem.
He can't build a normal relationship with anyone and his law practice is one of the worst in the entire state.
Not to mention he cheated on his wife with three different women.
One of them was your wife. Yes, I know him."
The defense attorney almost died.
The judge asked both counselors to approach the bench and, in a very quiet voice, said, "If either of you idiots asks her if she knows me, I'll send you to the electric chair."

 

[Peter Hucker]

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 21:30:25 -0000, Michael A. Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

ian field wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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ian field wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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ian field wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Peter Hucker wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:14:26 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

What part of CFL lamps overheating and catching on fire goes
right
over your head?

It only happens extremely occasionally.


A hell of a lot more often than with incandescent lamps. A lot of
incandescent fixtures are not designed for safe operation of CFL
lamps.


PHucker boasts of having rigged his house with cobbled together 12V
lighting
run from solar panels and scrounged end of life car batteries, he most
likely had some scares using LV halogens in unsuitable enclosures.


With any luck, it will burn to the ground from his shoddy work.

He has a number of parrots loose in the house - it wouldn't be fair on
them!


So, everything there is a birdbrain?


PHucker has a *very* high opinion of his own intelligence and a very low
opinion of everyone else's.


So he's not a 'savant'?

I have an honours degree.


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The fortune teller took his money, lowered the lights, and gazed into her crystal ball. "Ahhh," she said, "I see you are the father of two children!"
"Ha!" Lizard Pecker said, "That's what you think. I'm the father of THREE children."
The woman grinned and said, "That's what YOU think."

 

[Peter Hucker]

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 20:12:38 -0000, Michael A. Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

Peter Hucker wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:49:11 -0000, Michael A. Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:14:26 -0000, Michael A. Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

What part of CFL lamps overheating and catching on fire goes right
over your head?

It only happens extremely occasionally.


A hell of a lot more often than with incandescent lamps.

More often I've seen excessive heat from an incandescent making the fitting brittle, the danger not being fire directly, but the fitting collapsing later on.

A lot of incandescent fixtures are not designed for safe operation of CFL lamps.

Explain.


You really don't know anything, do you? Some fixtures hold in the
heat. The incandescents & ceramic sockets can handle the heat, but the
thermoplastic in the CFLs melt, the electrolytics overheat and they
fail, or catch on fire.

Considering the heat generation is 75% less with a CFL....


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[Peter Hucker]

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 20:59:44 -0000, GregS <zekfrivo@zekfrivolous.com> wrote:

In article <6PKdndp4LYqoTKPUnZ2dnUVZ_o_inZ2d@earthlink.com>, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

Peter Hucker wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:49:11 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:14:26 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

What part of CFL lamps overheating and catching on fire goes right
over your head?

It only happens extremely occasionally.


A hell of a lot more often than with incandescent lamps.

More often I've seen excessive heat from an incandescent making the fitting
brittle, the danger not being fire directly, but the fitting collapsing later
on.

A lot of incandescent fixtures are not designed for safe operation of CFL
lamps.

Explain.


You really don't know anything, do you? Some fixtures hold in the
heat. The incandescents & ceramic sockets can handle the heat, but the
thermoplastic in the CFLs melt, the electrolytics overheat and they
fail, or catch on fire.


When I first started using them about 17 years ago, I thought I had
a few light fixtures that were way too hot, and I worried about that.
By using CFL's I would be usinf less electricity and the fixtures were much cooler.
If it was an incandescent fixture in the first place, they automatically
hold a fire for a very short period and suffocate it usually. I would worry
more about CFL's NOT in fixtures, I have one CFL in the front yard 24/365
and it probably gets real hot in the summer day, but so far its going without
problems. Fully air sealed anyway.

Why do you have it on on a hot summer's day?

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[GregS]

In article <op.ulyjzptp4buhsv@fx62.mshome.net>, "Peter Hucker" <none@spam.com> wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 20:59:44 -0000, GregS <zekfrivo@zekfrivolous.com> wrote:

In article <6PKdndp4LYqoTKPUnZ2dnUVZ_o_inZ2d@earthlink.com>, "Michael A.
Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

Peter Hucker wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:49:11 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:14:26 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

What part of CFL lamps overheating and catching on fire goes right
over your head?

It only happens extremely occasionally.


A hell of a lot more often than with incandescent lamps.

More often I've seen excessive heat from an incandescent making the fitting
brittle, the danger not being fire directly, but the fitting collapsing
later
on.

A lot of incandescent fixtures are not designed for safe operation of CFL
lamps.

Explain.


You really don't know anything, do you? Some fixtures hold in the
heat. The incandescents & ceramic sockets can handle the heat, but the
thermoplastic in the CFLs melt, the electrolytics overheat and they
fail, or catch on fire.


When I first started using them about 17 years ago, I thought I had
a few light fixtures that were way too hot, and I worried about that.
By using CFL's I would be usinf less electricity and the fixtures were much
cooler.
If it was an incandescent fixture in the first place, they automatically
hold a fire for a very short period and suffocate it usually. I would worry
more about CFL's NOT in fixtures, I have one CFL in the front yard 24/365
and it probably gets real hot in the summer day, but so far its going without
problems. Fully air sealed anyway.

Why do you have it on on a hot summer's day?

Cause I don't turn the switch off and on. I just leave it.
I do have parts to update my front lawn post including some spots
to illuminate some trees, and they will have a photo switch. I hope
the switch works on CFL's. I was going to check if this switch used a relay.

greg

 

[Peter Hucker]

On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:41:31 -0000, GregS <zekfrivo@zekfrivolous.com> wrote:

In article <op.ulyjzptp4buhsv@fx62.mshome.net>, "Peter Hucker" <none@spam.com> wrote:
On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 20:59:44 -0000, GregS <zekfrivo@zekfrivolous.com> wrote:

In article <6PKdndp4LYqoTKPUnZ2dnUVZ_o_inZ2d@earthlink.com>, "Michael A.
Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

Peter Hucker wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:49:11 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:14:26 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

What part of CFL lamps overheating and catching on fire goes right
over your head?

It only happens extremely occasionally.


A hell of a lot more often than with incandescent lamps.

More often I've seen excessive heat from an incandescent making the fitting
brittle, the danger not being fire directly, but the fitting collapsing
later
on.

A lot of incandescent fixtures are not designed for safe operation of CFL
lamps.

Explain.


You really don't know anything, do you? Some fixtures hold in the
heat. The incandescents & ceramic sockets can handle the heat, but the
thermoplastic in the CFLs melt, the electrolytics overheat and they
fail, or catch on fire.


When I first started using them about 17 years ago, I thought I had
a few light fixtures that were way too hot, and I worried about that.
By using CFL's I would be usinf less electricity and the fixtures were much
cooler.
If it was an incandescent fixture in the first place, they automatically
hold a fire for a very short period and suffocate it usually. I would worry
more about CFL's NOT in fixtures, I have one CFL in the front yard 24/365
and it probably gets real hot in the summer day, but so far its going without
problems. Fully air sealed anyway.

Why do you have it on on a hot summer's day?



Cause I don't turn the switch off and on. I just leave it.
I do have parts to update my front lawn post including some spots
to illuminate some trees, and they will have a photo switch. I hope
the switch works on CFL's. I was going to check if this switch used a relay.

I don't need to illuminate my front lawn, there's a bloody streetlamp there!

When I eventually get round to building the pond and lighting it, I may have to black out that side of the streetlamp (it's the old hemispherical dome variety).

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To keep the swelling down.

 

[Meat Plow]

On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:41:31 GMT, zekfrivo@zekfrivolous.com
(GregS)wrote:

In article <op.ulyjzptp4buhsv@fx62.mshome.net>, "Peter Hucker" <none@spam.com> wrote:
On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 20:59:44 -0000, GregS <zekfrivo@zekfrivolous.com> wrote:

In article <6PKdndp4LYqoTKPUnZ2dnUVZ_o_inZ2d@earthlink.com>, "Michael A.
Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

Peter Hucker wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:49:11 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:14:26 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

What part of CFL lamps overheating and catching on fire goes right
over your head?

It only happens extremely occasionally.


A hell of a lot more often than with incandescent lamps.

More often I've seen excessive heat from an incandescent making the fitting
brittle, the danger not being fire directly, but the fitting collapsing
later
on.

A lot of incandescent fixtures are not designed for safe operation of CFL
lamps.

Explain.


You really don't know anything, do you? Some fixtures hold in the
heat. The incandescents & ceramic sockets can handle the heat, but the
thermoplastic in the CFLs melt, the electrolytics overheat and they
fail, or catch on fire.


When I first started using them about 17 years ago, I thought I had
a few light fixtures that were way too hot, and I worried about that.
By using CFL's I would be usinf less electricity and the fixtures were much
cooler.
If it was an incandescent fixture in the first place, they automatically
hold a fire for a very short period and suffocate it usually. I would worry
more about CFL's NOT in fixtures, I have one CFL in the front yard 24/365
and it probably gets real hot in the summer day, but so far its going without
problems. Fully air sealed anyway.

Why do you have it on on a hot summer's day?



Cause I don't turn the switch off and on. I just leave it.
I do have parts to update my front lawn post including some spots
to illuminate some trees, and they will have a photo switch. I hope
the switch works on CFL's. I was going to check if this switch used a relay.

Most all security fixtures use a relay due to their high wattage
capabilities.

 

[GregS]

In article <op.ulymtmbw4buhsv@fx62.mshome.net>, "Peter Hucker" <none@spam.com> wrote:

On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:41:31 -0000, GregS <zekfrivo@zekfrivolous.com> wrote:

In article <op.ulyjzptp4buhsv@fx62.mshome.net>, "Peter Hucker"
none@spam.com> wrote:
On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 20:59:44 -0000, GregS <zekfrivo@zekfrivolous.com> wrote:

In article <6PKdndp4LYqoTKPUnZ2dnUVZ_o_inZ2d@earthlink.com>, "Michael A.
Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

Peter Hucker wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:49:11 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:14:26 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

What part of CFL lamps overheating and catching on fire goes
right
over your head?

It only happens extremely occasionally.


A hell of a lot more often than with incandescent lamps.

More often I've seen excessive heat from an incandescent making the
fitting
brittle, the danger not being fire directly, but the fitting collapsing
later
on.

A lot of incandescent fixtures are not designed for safe operation of
CFL
lamps.

Explain.


You really don't know anything, do you? Some fixtures hold in the
heat. The incandescents & ceramic sockets can handle the heat, but the
thermoplastic in the CFLs melt, the electrolytics overheat and they
fail, or catch on fire.


When I first started using them about 17 years ago, I thought I had
a few light fixtures that were way too hot, and I worried about that.
By using CFL's I would be usinf less electricity and the fixtures were much
cooler.
If it was an incandescent fixture in the first place, they automatically
hold a fire for a very short period and suffocate it usually. I would worry
more about CFL's NOT in fixtures, I have one CFL in the front yard 24/365
and it probably gets real hot in the summer day, but so far its going
without
problems. Fully air sealed anyway.

Why do you have it on on a hot summer's day?



Cause I don't turn the switch off and on. I just leave it.
I do have parts to update my front lawn post including some spots
to illuminate some trees, and they will have a photo switch. I hope
the switch works on CFL's. I was going to check if this switch used a relay.

I don't need to illuminate my front lawn, there's a bloody streetlamp there!

When I eventually get round to building the pond and lighting it, I may have to
black out that side of the streetlamp (it's the old hemispherical dome
variety).

The trouble with street lights, only 10% of the light hits the street.
The rest just blinds you.

greg

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Peter Hucker wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 20:12:38 -0000, Michael A. Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:49:11 -0000, Michael A. Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:14:26 -0000, Michael A. Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

What part of CFL lamps overheating and catching on fire goes right
over your head?

It only happens extremely occasionally.


A hell of a lot more often than with incandescent lamps.

More often I've seen excessive heat from an incandescent making the fitting brittle, the danger not being fire directly, but the fitting collapsing later on.

A lot of incandescent fixtures are not designed for safe operation of CFL lamps.

Explain.


You really don't know anything, do you? Some fixtures hold in the
heat. The incandescents & ceramic sockets can handle the heat, but the
thermoplastic in the CFLs melt, the electrolytics overheat and they
fail, or catch on fire.

Considering the heat generation is 75% less with a CFL....

You still don't get it, do you?


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I have an honours degree.

Basket weaving doesn't count.


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Peter Hucker wrote:

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ian field wrote:

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Peter Hucker wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:14:26 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

What part of CFL lamps overheating and catching on fire goes
right
over your head?

It only happens extremely occasionally.


A hell of a lot more often than with incandescent lamps. A lot of
incandescent fixtures are not designed for safe operation of CFL lamps.


PHucker boasts of having rigged his house with cobbled together 12V
lighting
run from solar panels and scrounged end of life car batteries, he most
likely had some scares using LV halogens in unsuitable enclosures.


With any luck, it will burn to the ground from his shoddy work.

He has a number of parrots loose in the house - it wouldn't be fair on
them!


So, everything there is a birdbrain?

Silly term "birdbrain" - most birds are more intelligent than a lot of people.

Sure they are, when compared to you.


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Peter Hucker wrote:

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ian field wrote:

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Peter Hucker wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:14:26 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

What part of CFL lamps overheating and catching on fire goes right
over your head?

It only happens extremely occasionally.


A hell of a lot more often than with incandescent lamps. A lot of
incandescent fixtures are not designed for safe operation of CFL lamps.


PHucker boasts of having rigged his house with cobbled together 12V lighting
run from solar panels and scrounged end of life car batteries, he most
likely had some scares using LV halogens in unsuitable enclosures.


With any luck, it will burn to the ground form his shoddy work.

LEDs running on 12 volts are far less likely to burn than commercial lighting.

Really? For the same power, that is 10 times the current. That
increases the chances for a fire.


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Peter Hucker wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:14:26 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

What part of CFL lamps overheating and catching on fire goes
right
over your head?

It only happens extremely occasionally.


A hell of a lot more often than with incandescent lamps. A lot
of
incandescent fixtures are not designed for safe operation of CFL
lamps.


PHucker boasts of having rigged his house with cobbled together 12V
lighting
run from solar panels and scrounged end of life car batteries, he
most
likely had some scares using LV halogens in unsuitable enclosures.


With any luck, it will burn to the ground from his shoddy work.

He has a number of parrots loose in the house - it wouldn't be fair on
them!


So, everything there is a birdbrain?

Silly term "birdbrain" - most birds are more intelligent than a lot of
people.

You must come from a large family then.