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By definition, brain dead uneducated morons aren't capable of making
good decisions in their own interests or even giving informed consent.
Normally, when people are deemed that incapable, one tries to ensure
someone who is willing and able to act in their interests does so.
If that is true, is there any good reason for objecting that other
people may be seeking power over society? Can one reasonably conclude
that the largely brain dead uneducated morons will be worse off?
He is a fairly odd bird. Apart from the usual list of half truths andPhil Allison wrote:
"Fran"
blofelds_cat
EVACUATE the room for 15 minutes, open the windows and turn off all
airconditioning or heating.
WIPE hard surfaces with damp towels, which are to be sealed in a
glass jar. If the bulb breaks over carpet, vacuum up the fragments
and put the dust bag in the jar.
CONTACT your council to see if the jar can go into the rubbish bin.
If not, ask for the location of an approved toxic waste disposal
facility and drive straight over.
IF fragments land on your clothes or bedding, throw away the
garments or linen in another sealed container (the jar will be full
of paper towels by that stage).
THE next few times you vacuum, open the windows again and turn off
the airconditioning or heating.
The fact of the matter is that unlike incandescent bulbs, CFL bulbs
are typically made of a polymer, which is feasible because they don't
heat up. That's why they tend not to break if they are knocked or fall
onto carpet, and if they do they don't shatter.
** Complete bollocks.
The u-tube or spiral part is made of GLASS -
just like a normal fluoro lamp.
Moreover, the amount of mercury in them is tiny and bonded to the
surface od the polymer.
** BOLLOCKS !!
While the lamp is in use, operation depends on extremely poisonous
mercury vapour filling the tube !!
The chance of accidently ingesting some after
a breakage is utterly trivial.
** BOLLOCKS.
You WILL breath in the vapour if you break a tube while handling it
- even more so it has just been on.
Personally, I'd simply put on one of those disposable gloves, pick up
all visible pieces, and put them into a plastic bag.
** The glass shards will cut the gloves and YOU.
Then poisonous heavy metal phosphors as well as mercury will get into
your blood.
IMBECILE !!!!
Then take a damp
paper towel and mop up any other pieces that may be about. Then I'd
vacuum and dump the content ito the same plastic bag. I'd store the
bag and at a convenient point, I'd take it along with other hazmat
waste (paint, old motor oil, batteries) along to my nearest hazmat
disposal place.
** That is what the expert advice already says.
I imagine if the biosphere could speak it would. Pumping mercury and
radioactive actinides and FPM into the air and the water via the
emissions of coal fired power plants is far worse,
** MASSIVE LIE.
Disposal of several MILLION CFLs per year in regular household
waste dumps is a VERY serious mercury hazard to the local environment
and hence humans.
YOU are one RABID GREEN NAZI NUT CASE !!
Don't let the facts get in the way of your tourettes, Phil
I recall reading it in a general piece on the conversion fromFran wrote:
On Jan 20, 1:03 am, "Phil Allison" <philalli...@tpg.com.au> wrote:
"Fran is a FUCKING LIAR" "
Really? How is that different from a celibate liar?
The fact of the matter is that unlike incandescent bulbs, CFL bulbs
are typically made of a polymer, which is feasible because they don't
heat up. That's why they tend not to break if they are knocked or fall
onto carpet, and if they do they don't shatter.
** Complete bollocks.
The u-tube or spiral part is made of GLASS -
Plexiglass ...
just like a normal fluoro lamp.
Moreover, the amount of mercury in them is tiny and bonded to the
surface od the polymer.
** BOLLOCKS !!
3 to 5 mg. Some manufacturers are going to 1 mg. Unless the bulb is in
operation at the time it breaks, the mercury is not in gaseous form
but attached to the side of the tube, near the base.
While the lamp is in use, operation depends on extremely poisonous mercury
vapour filling the tube !!
It would be extremely poisonous if one were chronically exposed to it,
but of course, exposure will, at worst, be brief. If the lamp breaks
when it is not in operation, (eg bumped out of the fitting) then the
risk is from physical contact with the skin. If it is operating, then
once should open a window, leave the room, and close the door. Thirty
minutes later, it will have dissipated.
You seem fairly relaxed though about the mercury emissions (and the
other emissions) associated with generating the energy needed to
operate incandescents via burning of coal -- which accounts for about
80% to 90% of Australia's energy load..
The chance of accidently ingesting some after
a breakage is utterly trivial.
** BOLLOCKS.
You WILL breath in the vapour if you break a tube while handling it -
even more so it has just been on.
Not at all if it has not just been on. If it has just been on, then
see above.
I've been using CFLs (and a long fluoro in the kitchen) for several
years now. Total breakages: zero.
Personally, I'd simply put on one of those disposable gloves, pick up
all visible pieces, and put them into a plastic bag.
** The glass shards will cut the gloves and YOU.
Nope, because it is essentially a polymer. Of course, even plastics
can cut you so one should handle with care.
I wonder could you show where you get the idea that the spiral or tube
type cfl is made of plexiglass?
Quite right then, only a very FEW are.I didn't claim they all were
And FAR more likely they didn't.and in any event, maybe they meant "plexiglass".
Many do care or they wouldn't be constantly complaining.Of course if "the rest of society" is also brain dead, then they won't
be able to tell and won't care.
It's even more stupid to think the most intelligent people actually want toIt's also counter-intuitive to think
that those who were brain dead could in general get in charge of
anything if more able people were about, because those more able would
be better at mobilising the brain dead than the inferior specimens
putatively in charge.
Less fucking involved, stupid.Phil Allison <philalli...@tpg.com.au> wrote
"Fran is a FUCKING LIAR" "
Really? How is that different from a celibate liar?
Wrong, just glass.The fact of the matter is that unlike incandescent bulbs, CFL bulbs
are typically made of a polymer, which is feasible because they
don't heat up. That's why they tend not to break if they are
knocked or fall onto carpet, and if they do they don't shatter.
** Complete bollocks.
The u-tube or spiral part is made of GLASS -
Plexiglass ...
Wrong, as always.just like a normal fluoro lamp.
Moreover, the amount of mercury in them is tiny
and bonded to the surface od the polymer.
** BOLLOCKS !!
3 to 5 mg. Some manufacturers are going to 1 mg. Unless the
bulb is in operation at the time it breaks, the mercury is not in
gaseous form but attached to the side of the tube, near the base.
Wrong, as always. Dentists who were didnt get any problems from it.While the lamp is in use, operation depends on
extremely poisonous mercury vapour filling the tube !!
It would be extremely poisonous if one were chronically exposed to it,
Wrong, as always.but of course, exposure will, at worst, be brief. If the lamp
breaks when it is not in operation, (eg bumped out of the
fitting) then the risk is from physical contact with the skin.
Pig ignorant lie.If it is operating, then once should open a window, leave the room,
and close the door. Thirty minutes later, it will have dissipated.
Because they are harmless in the levels you see with a broken CFL.You seem fairly relaxed though about the mercury emissions
Yep, they're nothing to worry about.(and the other emissions) associated with generating the energy
needed to operate incandescents via burning of coal -- which
accounts for about 80% to 90% of Australia's energy load..
Wrong, as always.The chance of accidently ingesting some after a breakage is utterly trivial.
** BOLLOCKS.
You WILL breath in the vapour if you break a tube
while handling it - even more so it has just been on.
Not at all if it has not just been on.
Completely useless, as always.If it has just been on, then see above.
Irrelevant to whether broken one are anything to worry about.I've been using CFLs (and a long fluoro in the kitchen)
for several years now. Total breakages: zero.
Wrong, as always. Its real glass.Personally, I'd simply put on one of those disposable gloves,
pick up all visible pieces, and put them into a plastic bag.
The glass shards will cut the gloves and YOU.
Nope, because it is essentially a polymer.
The tube aint plastic.Of course, even plastics can cut you so one should handle with care.
YOU made the stupid claim.Then poisonous heavy metal phosphors as well as mercury will get into your blood.
And the boogie man will get you too ...
I imagine if the biosphere could speak it would. Pumping mercury and
radioactive actinides and FPM into the air and the water via the
emissions of coal fired power plants is far worse,
** MASSIVE LIE.
Note: Unrefuted claim
Wrong, as always.Disposal of several MILLION CFLs per year in regular
household waste dumps is a VERY serious mercury
hazard to the local environment and hence humans.
Utterly mangled all over again.** NO REPLY
No, it isn't. It's a fraction of the mercury that would have been
released into the open air by coal fired power plants producing
the extra energy to run the incandescents and to produce the
much more short lived incandescents in the firts place.
Complete waste of time.Of course, there should be a system in place to ensure return of CFLs
to HAZMAT disposal -- a deposit and return to retailer system for in
tact bulbs would be a good exercise in environmental stewardship.
You dont qualify.YOU are one RABID GREEN NAZI NUT CASE !!
You are Barnaby Joyce and I claim my prize.
You're lying now.Someone ought to stick a knife up you. And twist it.
This is the second post in sequence in which you've endorsed murder.
He's always been beyond any help.Whether you mean it or not, you are clearly disturbed. Seek help.
Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys.I should note though that the desire to murder dissenters was very much a Nazi thing.
Fran
Mr.T wrote:
"kreed" <kenreed1...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:32a514db-3703-4b7a-98e7-e690b460d9db@w24g2000prd.googlegroups.com....
I can remember in high school, they actually had a container of
mercury in science class,
and the kids would put their hands in it to "feel" what it was like.
That's how "dangerous" it was considered to be back then.
Yes, asbestos and lead were considered safe then too. And Madam Curie died
of radiation poisoning.
Unfortunately ignorance is NOT always bliss.
MrT.
We don't appear to have a legacy of mercury toxicity in those with only
occasional exposure.
"Fran" <Fran.B...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ad4d65bf-74f4-45ac-a604-52fe33467e0a@u18g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
I wonder could you show where you get the idea that the spiral or tube
type cfl is made of plexiglass?
I recall reading it in a general piece on the conversion from
incandescents, and the bulbs themselves don't feel cold and glass like
in the way incandescents did.
And really, why would you use glass when you can use a polymer?
And then goes on to quote :
Ah, but what if your CFL bulb shatters? First off, don't panic: Unless
you plan on picking up the ***glass*** with bare hands and then licking it,
you're almost certainly safe from harm.
"Fran" <Fran.B...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:0a36bd40-58b5-46a7-a4c6-2c5fc5b96c6d@d36g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
By definition, brain dead uneducated morons aren't capable of making
good decisions in their own interests or even giving informed consent.
Normally, when people are deemed that incapable, one tries to ensure
someone who is willing and able to act in their interests does so.
If that is true, is there any good reason for objecting that other
people may be seeking power over society? Can one reasonably conclude
that the largely brain dead uneducated morons will be worse off?
Which might be true *IF* the politicians and other power mongers, weren't
even more brain dead the rest of society!
But are they "brain dead uneducated morons" because if so, perhaps"Fran" <Fran.B...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:4c2e5a3c-3a17-4b15-8969-1a968f1dccc0@q30g2000prq.googlegroups.com...
Of course if "the rest of society" is also brain dead, then they won't
be able to tell and won't care.
Many do care or they wouldn't be constantly complaining.
Well they can't be all that bothered because if they were they'd makeIt's also counter-intuitive to think
that those who were brain dead could in general get in charge of
anything if more able people were about, because those more able would
be better at mobilising the brain dead than the inferior specimens
putatively in charge.
It's even more stupid to think the most intelligent people actually want to
become politicians, or to control other peoples lives.
Many do object to having morons control their lives however.
It fucked the story up completely.On Jan 20, 1:55 pm, F Murtz <hagg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Fran wrote:
On Jan 20, 1:03 am, "Phil Allison" <philalli...@tpg.com.au> wrote:
"Fran is a FUCKING LIAR" "
Really? How is that different from a celibate liar?
The fact of the matter is that unlike incandescent bulbs, CFL
bulbs
are typically made of a polymer, which is feasible because they
don't heat up. That's why they tend not to break if they are
knocked or fall onto carpet, and if they do they don't shatter.
** Complete bollocks.
The u-tube or spiral part is made of GLASS -
Plexiglass ...
just like a normal fluoro lamp.
Moreover, the amount of mercury in them is tiny and bonded to the
surface od the polymer.
** BOLLOCKS !!
3 to 5 mg. Some manufacturers are going to 1 mg. Unless the bulb is
in operation at the time it breaks, the mercury is not in gaseous
form but attached to the side of the tube, near the base.
While the lamp is in use, operation depends on extremely
poisonous mercury vapour filling the tube !!
It would be extremely poisonous if one were chronically exposed to
it, but of course, exposure will, at worst, be brief. If the lamp
breaks when it is not in operation, (eg bumped out of the fitting)
then the risk is from physical contact with the skin. If it is
operating, then once should open a window, leave the room, and
close the door. Thirty minutes later, it will have dissipated.
You seem fairly relaxed though about the mercury emissions (and the
other emissions) associated with generating the energy needed to
operate incandescents via burning of coal -- which accounts for
about 80% to 90% of Australia's energy load..
The chance of accidently ingesting some after
a breakage is utterly trivial.
** BOLLOCKS.
You WILL breath in the vapour if you break a tube while handling
it - even more so it has just been on.
Not at all if it has not just been on. If it has just been on, then
see above.
I've been using CFLs (and a long fluoro in the kitchen) for several
years now. Total breakages: zero.
Personally, I'd simply put on one of those disposable gloves,
pick up
all visible pieces, and put them into a plastic bag.
** The glass shards will cut the gloves and YOU.
Nope, because it is essentially a polymer. Of course, even plastics
can cut you so one should handle with care.
I wonder could you show where you get the idea that the spiral or
tube type cfl is made of plexiglass?
I recall reading it in a general piece on the conversion from incandescents,
Try tapping them gently, they are glass, not plexiglass.and the bulbs themselves don't feel cold and glass like in the way incandescents did.
Because polymers are gas tight enough.And really, why would you use glass when you can use a polymer?
Irrelevant to whether they are made of glass or not.More on CFLs
CFLs are lauded by environmentalists because they require far less
electrical power than their incandescent counterparts. A 26-watt CFL
bulb produces the same lumens as a 100-watt incandescent bulb.
Assuming that you keep one of those bulbs aglow for six hours a day,
switching to a CFL will save you 126 kilowatt-hours of electricity per
year, which translates to 170 pounds of carbon dioxide emissions on
average. Now, how many bulbs do you have in your house? Twenty?
Thirty? Replace them all and you could conceivably (assuming six-hour-
a-day use throughout the building) reduce your annual CO2 output by
upward of 2.3 metric tonsabout 10 percent of the average American
household's annual carbon footprint.
Irrelevant when the output of power stationsThe irony of CFLs is that they actually reduce overall mercury emissions in the long run.
Varys with the coal used.Despite recent improvements in the industry's technology,
the burning of coal to produce electricity emits roughly
0.023 milligrams of mercury per kilowatt-hour.
Its a hell of a lot more than half.Over a year, then, using a 26-watt CFL in the average
American home (where half of the electricity comes from coal)
Yep, those exposed to much more mercury in the past when theywill result in the emission of 0.66 milligrams of mercury. For 100-watt incandescent
bulbs, which produce the identical amount of light, the figure is 2.52 milligrams.
Ah, but what if your CFL bulb shatters? First off, don't panic:
Unless you plan on picking up the glass with bare hands and
then licking it, you're almost certainly safe from harm.
Even a broken CFL bulb won't leak too much toxic metal. According to
the EPA, just 6.8 percent of the mercury in a CFL bulbthat's at most
0.34 milligramsis released if it shatters. OSHA's permissible
exposure limit for mercury vapor in the workplace is 0.1 milligrams
per cubic meter, so you'd have to break that bulb in an extremely
cramped space for there to be an appreciable hazard.
http://www.slate.com/id/2183606/pagenum/all/#page_
Nope you are just plain wrong.On Jan 20, 2:36 pm, "Mr.T" <MrT@home> wrote:
"Fran" <Fran.B...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ad4d65bf-74f4-45ac-a604-52fe33467e0a@u18g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
I wonder could you show where you get the idea that the spiral or
tube type cfl is made of plexiglass?
I recall reading it in a general piece on the conversion from
incandescents, and the bulbs themselves don't feel cold and glass
like
in the way incandescents did.
And really, why would you use glass when you can use a polymer?
And then goes on to quote :
Ah, but what if your CFL bulb shatters? First off, don't panic:
Unless
you plan on picking up the ***glass*** with bare hands and then
licking it, you're almost certainly safe from harm.
I didn't claim they all were and in any event, maybe they meant "plexiglass".
When I was a little kid, the dentist used to give the kids someOn Jan 19, 9:27 pm, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.at.this.address> wrote:
Davo wrote:
Normal fluorescent tubes have always had mercury in them. If you
look closely you can even see a tiny bead of mercury rolling around
inside. I don't see why people are getting so excited about it when
we've had them for years already.
Indeed, and was there a great panic whenever we broke clinical
thermometers, or mercury thermometers at school?
Sylvia.
I can remember in high school, they actually had a container of
mercury in science class,
and the kids would put their hands in it to "feel" what it was like.
Very interesting substance.
That's how "dangerous" it was considered to be back then.
Metallic lead still is."kreed" <kenreed1999@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:32a514db-3703-4b7a-98e7-e690b460d9db@w24g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
I can remember in high school, they actually had a container of
mercury in science class,
and the kids would put their hands in it to "feel" what it was like.
That's how "dangerous" it was considered to be back then.
Yes, asbestos and lead were considered safe then too.
And not one dentist ever did from mercury.And Madam Curie died of radiation poisoning.
We dont have a legacy of mercury toxicity in those with daily exposure either like dentists.Mr.T wrote:
"kreed" <kenreed1999@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:32a514db-3703-4b7a-98e7-e690b460d9db@w24g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
I can remember in high school, they actually had a container of
mercury in science class,
and the kids would put their hands in it to "feel" what it was like.
That's how "dangerous" it was considered to be back then.
Yes, asbestos and lead were considered safe then too. And Madam
Curie died of radiation poisoning.
Unfortunately ignorance is NOT always bliss.
MrT.
We don't appear to have a legacy of mercury toxicity in those with
only occasional exposure.
They didnt say that was from power stations. Its actually from teeth fillings.On Jan 20, 1:13 pm, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.at.this.address> wrote:
Mr.T wrote:
"kreed" <kenreed1...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:32a514db-3703-4b7a-98e7-e690b460d9db@w24g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
I can remember in high school, they actually had a container of
mercury in science class,
and the kids would put their hands in it to "feel" what it was
like. That's how "dangerous" it was considered to be back then.
Yes, asbestos and lead were considered safe then too. And Madam
Curie died of radiation poisoning.
Unfortunately ignorance is NOT always bliss.
MrT.
We don't appear to have a legacy of mercury toxicity in those with
only occasional exposure.
Interestingly, the following source lists emissions by activity source
to the air, land and water of mercury in Australia. The annual 25,000
kg total is spread across 75 categories.
Landfill is No. 74 (with 0.0074kg p.a.)
The top source is paved and unpaved roads (I assume the unpaved was
included for simplicity) with 8800kg
Electricity generation (No5) is 1207.912Kg and when you throw in
number 12 (coal mining) 160kg it does put the matter into some
perspective.
http://www.npi.gov.au/cgi-bin/npireport.pl?proc=substance;substance=53#Details
One might compare the situation with that of coal plants in the US:
Older coal plants: highly polluting
Fine particles: The fleet of existing coal plants produces large
quanitities of fine particles, also known as PM2.5, formed from soot,
sulfur dioxide, nitrogen oxides, and metals. These fine particles are
estimated to result in 24,000 premature deaths in the United States,
averaging 14 lost life-years per person.[4]
Sulfur dioxide: Because most existing coal plants pre-date current air
pollution laws, current plants emit about 13 million tons per year of
sulfur dioxide, approximately a 40% reduction from 1990 levels.[5]
Mercury: Coal-fired power plants are the largest source of mercury in
the United States, accounting for about 41 percent (48 tons in 1999)
of industrial releases.[6][7] According to the Centers for Disease
Control and Prevention, eight percent of American women of
childbearing age had unsafe levels of mercury in their blood,
Hardly ever and never at the levels seen with broken CFLs.Mercury exposure also can lead to increase cardiovascular risk in adults.[7]
Nope, because what mercury ends up in the air end up in completely different air.http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Clean_coal
As we are discussing the relative utility of CFls, bearing in mind
they reduce not only mercury emissions but other emissions associated
with operation of coal plants this source may be germane:
Photochemical oxidation of sulphur and nitrous oxides forms nitric,
sulphurous, sulphuric and nitric acids in the atmosphere and these are
deposited as acid rain downwind to the coal combustion In addition,
particulates with high acidity are deposited and this is called dry
deposition The entire process is therefore called acid deposition.
The smelting of metal ores also releases sulphur dioxide but coal
burning remains the predominant source. To place acid deposition in
context, 200 million tons of Sulphur dioxide is released into the
atmosphere each year or more than 20 times the natural emissions from
volcanoes and biological activity.
It is recognised that the damage caused by acid deposition is both
near to the power station and for hundreds of kilometres. The
industrialised Mid-West of the USA is responsible for acid deposition
in the North-East, Britain pollutes Sweden and acid from China is now
found in Western USA. Acid deposition is responsible for two forms of
environmental damage. Firstly, damage to forests and their ecosystems.
Tree leaves and needles are damaged leading to the death of the tree,
and the soil is leached of nutrients. Freshwater fish habitat is
damaged and many lakes and waterways become dead. The damage lasts
for decades and perhaps permanently in some cases. This becomes an
environmental heath issue because of damage to natural resources,
productive land and fisheries which will become increasingly important
is a world of increasing population living with a shrinking resource
of productive land.
Developed countries also suffer from air pollution from fossil fuel
and in the USA. 23,000 deaths each year are attributed to pollution
from power plants as well as 500,000 asthma attacks, 16,000 cases of
chronic bronchitis and 38,000 non-fatal heart attacks. The practice of
clean coal technology will reduce the release of sulphur dioxide and
other pollutants by an amount dependent on the impurities in the coal.
While China has been indicted for its environmental destruction, the
Bush administration has displayed little resolve to put its house in
order In an initiative of Orwellian dimensions called Clear Skies,
coal burning power stations have been permitted to increase sulphur
and nitrous oxide emissions to above levels permitted by the USA Clean
Air Act
www.dea.org.au/docs/DEA_e_p_App1CoalandGas.pdf
Fran
Its illegal to thing before you post.On Jan 19, 9:24 pm, Davo <D...@gmail.com> wrote:
blofelds_cat wrote:
This would be hilarious if they weren't serious!..
Red Alert on Green Bulbs
Roger Franklin, Herald Sun News, 19/1/09
WE'VE all heard those gags about how many people of various sorts
and backgrounds are needed to change a light bulb. No point in
repeating
them, especially in this day and age, when eagle-eyed humour police
are forever in pursuit of insensitive and inappropriate jests.
But there is one light bulb joke that remains perfectly safe to
tell. That's because it happens to be true, and gets sillier by the
day.
What we're talking about is the plan to replace this nation's
oldfashioned incandescent bulbs with energy-efficient compact
fluorescent ones.
Because the new bulbs contain minute dollops of mercury, the US
Environmental Protection Agency has issued a set of extensive
precautions in case one accidentally breaks.
Ready for a laugh? Well, loosen those jocularity straps, because
here
are the guide's official, stepby-step highlights:
EVACUATE the room for 15 minutes, open the windows and turn off all
airconditioning or heating.
WIPE hard surfaces with damp towels, which are to be sealed in a
glass jar. If the bulb breaks over carpet, vacuum up the fragments
and put the dust bag in the jar.
CONTACT your council to see if the jar can go into the rubbish bin.
If not, ask for the location of an approved toxic waste disposal
facility
and drive straight over.
IF fragments land on your clothes or bedding, throw away the
garments or linen in another sealed container (the jar will be full
of paper towels
by that stage).
THE next few times you vacuum, open the windows again and turn off
the airconditioning or heating.
There are many other precautions American authorities are mandating,
including using strips of electrical tape to collect microscopic
fragments, but you have heard enough to get the gist. No doubt the
planet will thank us for using the ecologically friendly bulbs that
are due to be phased in at the end of the year.
If Mother Earth has a sense of humour, she will probably be
chuckling
her head off at what many may see as the worst light bulb joke of
all time.
Normal fluorescent tubes have always had mercury in them. If you look
closely you can even see a tiny bead of mercury rolling around
inside. I don't see why people are getting so excited about it when
we've had them for years already.
Using that logic, we should never have got rid of asbestos in building
materials because we'd been using it for years anyway. Do you EVER
thing BEFORE you post?
touching metallic mercury is not the problem. It is the salts and gasesOn Jan 20, 3:43 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
Fran wrote
Phil Allison <philalli...@tpg.com.au> wrote
"Fran is a FUCKING LIAR" "
Really? How is that different from a celibate liar?
Less fucking involved, stupid.
And that's a good thing or not? How is it relevant here? Were the
Celibate Rifles any good? If they'd been "Slutty Rifles" would that
have been better?
The fact of the matter is that unlike incandescent bulbs, CFL bulbs
are typically made of a polymer, which is feasible because they
don't heat up. That's why they tend not to break if they are
knocked or fall onto carpet, and if they do they don't shatter.
** Complete bollocks.
The u-tube or spiral part is made of GLASS -
Plexiglass ...
Wrong, just glass.
That's not clear.
just like a normal fluoro lamp.
Moreover, the amount of mercury in them is tiny
and bonded to the surface od the polymer.
** BOLLOCKS !!
3 to 5 mg. Some manufacturers are going to 1 mg. Unless the
bulb is in operation at the time it breaks, the mercury is not in
gaseous form but attached to the side of the tube, near the base.
Wrong, as always.
Look at a diagram, Rod. Check it out in "How Stuff Works", for
example.
While the lamp is in use, operation depends on
extremely poisonous mercury vapour filling the tube !!
It would be extremely poisonous if one were chronically exposed to it,
Wrong, as always. Dentists who were didnt get any problems from it.
Didn't they use gloves?
but of course, exposure will, at worst, be brief. If the lamp
breaks when it is not in operation, (eg bumped out of the
fitting) then the risk is from physical contact with the skin.
Wrong, as always.
Not according to the EPA ...
If it is operating, then once should open a window, leave the room,
and close the door. Thirty minutes later, it will have dissipated.
Pig ignorant lie.
Again this is the advice of the EPA ...
You seem fairly relaxed though about the mercury emissions
Because they are harmless in the levels you see with a broken CFL.
That was my point
(and the other emissions) associated with generating the energy
needed to operate incandescents via burning of coal -- which
accounts for about 80% to 90% of Australia's energy load..
Yep, they're nothing to worry about.
Apparently so ...
The chance of accidently ingesting some after a breakage is utterly trivial.
** BOLLOCKS.
You WILL breath in the vapour if you break a tube
while handling it - even more so it has just been on.
Not at all if it has not just been on.
Wrong, as always.
No, correct as usual.
If it has just been on, then see above.
I've been using CFLs (and a long fluoro in the kitchen)
for several years now. Total breakages: zero.
Irrelevant to whether broken one are anything to worry about.
But relevant to the extent of practical risk. If they hardly ever get
broken, then the hazard, whatever it is, is trivial.
Personally, I'd simply put on one of those disposable gloves,
pick up all visible pieces, and put them into a plastic bag.
The glass shards will cut the gloves and YOU.
Nope, because it is essentially a polymer.
Wrong, as always. Its real glass.
Why would they use real glass?
Of course, even plastics can cut you so one should handle with care.
The tube aint plastic.
It feels like plastic.
Then poisonous heavy metal phosphors as well as mercury will get into your blood.
And the boogie man will get you too ...
I imagine if the biosphere could speak it would. Pumping mercury and
radioactive actinides and FPM into the air and the water via the
emissions of coal fired power plants is far worse,
** MASSIVE LIE.
Note: Unrefuted claim
YOU made the stupid claim.
The claim is documented in the answer to Sylvia below.
YOU get to substantiate the stupid claim.
THATS how it works.
Been there, done that.
Disposal of several MILLION CFLs per year in regular
household waste dumps is a VERY serious mercury
hazard to the local environment and hence humans.
Wrong, as always.
** NO REPLY
No, it isn't. It's a fraction of the mercury that would have been
released into the open air by coal fired power plants producing
the extra energy to run the incandescents and to produce the
much more short lived incandescents in the first place.
Utterly mangled all over again.
Again, see the response to F Murtz above. In part:
||||
The irony of CFLs is that they actually reduce overall mercury
emissions in the long run. Despite recent improvements in the
industry's technology, the burning of coal to produce electricity
emits roughly 0.023 milligrams of mercury per kilowatt-hour. Over a
year, then, using a 26-watt CFL in the average American home (where
half of the electricity comes from coal) will result in the emission
of 0.66 milligrams of mercury. For 100-watt incandescent bulbs, which
produce the identical amount of light, the figure is 2.52 milligrams.
||||
Of course, there should be a system in place to ensure return of CFLs
to HAZMAT disposal -- a deposit and return to retailer system for in
tact bulbs would be a good exercise in environmental stewardship.
Complete waste of time.
Oh it would be excellent
YOU are one RABID GREEN NAZI NUT CASE !!
You are Barnaby Joyce and I claim my prize.
You dont qualify.
Someone ought to stick a knife up you. And twist it.
This is the second post in sequence in which you've endorsed murder.
You're lying now.
The record says otherwise
Whether you mean it or not, you are clearly disturbed. Seek help.
He's always been beyond any help.
I should note though that the desire to murder dissenters was very much a Nazi thing.
Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys.
Consult the history books, Rod
Fran
don't see many mutants and how come any one over 50 is still aliveOn Mon, 19 Jan 2009 15:59:45 -0800, kreed wrote:
On Jan 19, 9:27 pm, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.at.this.address> wrote:
Davo wrote:
Normal fluorescent tubes have always had mercury in them. If you look
closely you can even see a tiny bead of mercury rolling around
inside. I don't see why people are getting so excited about it when
we've had them for years already.
Indeed, and was there a great panic whenever we broke clinical
thermometers, or mercury thermometers at school?
Sylvia.
I can remember in high school, they actually had a container of mercury
in science class,
and the kids would put their hands in it to "feel" what it was like.
Very interesting substance.
And when was the last time you saw any of those kids?
Over 10 years? There's a reason for that. Most of them are now dead, or
have undergone mutations so horrific they're ashamed to leave their homes.
Most people over the age of fourty have a mouth full of it how come I
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