Putin puts nuclear forces on high alert...

[Rick C]

On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 8:47:27 PM UTC-5, Phil Hobbs wrote:

John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 2 Mar 2022 19:42:06 -0500, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamM...@electrooptical.net> wrote:

John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 2 Mar 2022 19:21:37 -0500, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamM...@electrooptical.net> wrote:

Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
onsdag den 2. marts 2022 kl. 15.43.04 UTC+1 skrev
gnuarm.del...@gmail.com:
On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 8:45:18 AM UTC-5, Dimiter Popoff
wrote:
On 3/2/2022 2:06, Rick C wrote:
On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 4:15:39 PM UTC-5, Dimiter Popoff
wrote:
On 3/1/2022 23:09, Rick C wrote:
On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 3:34:35 PM UTC-5, Dimiter
Popoff wrote:
On 3/1/2022 22:07, Rick C wrote:
On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 1:47:14 PM UTC-5, legg
wrote:
Whatever alert it was, it wasn\'t \'high alert\'.

There\'s no evidence of any change to the Russian
nuclear weapons alert status.

What would you expect to see?

Perhaps the guy works for the DoD and can only tell as
much.

But I just read on a Bulgarian site that the Russians
have started drills with their nuclear submarines.

May be not the worst news, if this will make them easier
to detect/locate/target.

I think an all out war is inevitable now unless someone
manages to kill the psychopath in the Kremlin.

You think what is happening in Ukraine is not all out war?
I mean an all-out world war. The civilized world just
*cannot* let Putin do as he pleases any longer.

Putin is rattling the nuclear saber to indicate no other
countries should send in troops or even think about an
attack on Russia.

I don\'t see how anyone can prevent Russia from taking
Ukraine. What they can do is make Russia pay dearly for it.
But the cost to Ukrainians will be very dear as well.
However, that is the case even if they simply let the
Russians in peacefully. This is not new. We know how things
go when Russia is in charge of your country.

Which is why I said an all out war - yes, meaning a nuclear
war - is now inevitable. Unless someone shoots Putin.

Yes, that is what I expected you meant and is nonsense. No one
is going to fight Russia over Ukraine. That\'s sad, but it\'s the
truth. If Ukraine was a member of NATO, then all manner of
assistance would be provided. However, had Ukraine been a
member of NATO, Russia would know not to invade. That is why
they are invading, to prevent Ukraine from ever becoming a
member of NATO. Russia wants other states around it to support
Russia, not to be part of the enemy.

So war by Russia today, because they know no one else will be
involved and it will NOT become WWIII.
In a similar way the world watched Hitler take first Poland,
then... It won\'t be any different unless someone shoots Putin.
There are one or two more non-NATO countries in the area. I saw a
video of the President of Belarus which showed invasion plans on a
map which included attacking Moldova. After that would be Romania
which is a NATO country. Any NATO country is off limits for obvious
reasons. Attacking a NATO country *would* cause WWIII.


afaiu Romania and Moldava are extremely close, sharing language and
continuously talking about unification, since they were made two
separate countries after the falls of USSR If Putins goal was to make
every non-NATO country near Russia consider NATO membership and make
the NATO countries increase their defense budgets, he seems to have
succeeded


The level of cupidity that has led our Warfare State to try to extend
NATO to Ukraine beggars belief. It\'s like Khrushchev inviting Mexico to
join the Warsaw Pact.

Yo, ruler-types: ddg for \"buffer state\".


But the Ukrainians should have some say. Maybe they want to be more
european.

Nobody over here is trying to prevent that. It\'s just beyond stupid to
back the Russians into a corner like that--a nuclear-armed state with
nothing left to lose is....


I don\'t think anything happened to back Russia into a corner. I do
think that Putin is insane and dreams of empire.

Bad that he has nukes.

It\'s crazy that the fates of so many depend on the emotions of one.

Think about that Mexico -> Warsaw pact idea. It\'s a pretty close
parallel, I think.

It\'s a terrible parallel. Ukraine wants to join NATO for exactly the reason they now need it, protection from Russia. Mexico has no need for being part of the Warsaw pact, literally none!

Then there are all the other countries right next to Ukraine, Poland, Romania, etc. that are members of NATO.

Politicians need an enemy to retain power. Trmp was all about declaring many enemies, so he could claim to be fighting them. Johnson mounted an imaginary war on poverty. Nixon an imaginary war on drugs. Some leaders prefer to fight real wars against imaginary enemies such as Russia against Ukraine.

What is needed is for Russia to join NATO. That would certainly make for a much calmer world. Maybe Putin is pissed that he was never invited. Hmm? Perhaps!

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On Wed, 2 Mar 2022 20:47:15 -0500, Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 2 Mar 2022 19:42:06 -0500, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 2 Mar 2022 19:21:37 -0500, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
onsdag den 2. marts 2022 kl. 15.43.04 UTC+1 skrev
gnuarm.del...@gmail.com:
On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 8:45:18 AM UTC-5, Dimiter Popoff
wrote:
On 3/2/2022 2:06, Rick C wrote:
On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 4:15:39 PM UTC-5, Dimiter Popoff
wrote:
On 3/1/2022 23:09, Rick C wrote:
On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 3:34:35 PM UTC-5, Dimiter
Popoff wrote:
On 3/1/2022 22:07, Rick C wrote:
On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 1:47:14 PM UTC-5, legg
wrote:
Whatever alert it was, it wasn\'t \'high alert\'.

There\'s no evidence of any change to the Russian
nuclear weapons alert status.

What would you expect to see?

Perhaps the guy works for the DoD and can only tell as
much.

But I just read on a Bulgarian site that the Russians
have started drills with their nuclear submarines.

May be not the worst news, if this will make them easier
to detect/locate/target.

I think an all out war is inevitable now unless someone
manages to kill the psychopath in the Kremlin.

You think what is happening in Ukraine is not all out war?
I mean an all-out world war. The civilized world just
*cannot* let Putin do as he pleases any longer.

Putin is rattling the nuclear saber to indicate no other
countries should send in troops or even think about an
attack on Russia.

I don\'t see how anyone can prevent Russia from taking
Ukraine. What they can do is make Russia pay dearly for it.
But the cost to Ukrainians will be very dear as well.
However, that is the case even if they simply let the
Russians in peacefully. This is not new. We know how things
go when Russia is in charge of your country.

Which is why I said an all out war - yes, meaning a nuclear
war - is now inevitable. Unless someone shoots Putin.

Yes, that is what I expected you meant and is nonsense. No one
is going to fight Russia over Ukraine. That\'s sad, but it\'s the
truth. If Ukraine was a member of NATO, then all manner of
assistance would be provided. However, had Ukraine been a
member of NATO, Russia would know not to invade. That is why
they are invading, to prevent Ukraine from ever becoming a
member of NATO. Russia wants other states around it to support
Russia, not to be part of the enemy.

So war by Russia today, because they know no one else will be
involved and it will NOT become WWIII.
In a similar way the world watched Hitler take first Poland,
then... It won\'t be any different unless someone shoots Putin.
There are one or two more non-NATO countries in the area. I saw a
video of the President of Belarus which showed invasion plans on a
map which included attacking Moldova. After that would be Romania
which is a NATO country. Any NATO country is off limits for obvious
reasons. Attacking a NATO country *would* cause WWIII.


afaiu Romania and Moldava are extremely close, sharing language and
continuously talking about unification, since they were made two
separate countries after the falls of USSR If Putins goal was to make
every non-NATO country near Russia consider NATO membership and make
the NATO countries increase their defense budgets, he seems to have
succeeded


The level of cupidity that has led our Warfare State to try to extend
NATO to Ukraine beggars belief. It\'s like Khrushchev inviting Mexico to
join the Warsaw Pact.

Yo, ruler-types: ddg for \"buffer state\".


But the Ukrainians should have some say. Maybe they want to be more
european.

Nobody over here is trying to prevent that. It\'s just beyond stupid to
back the Russians into a corner like that--a nuclear-armed state with
nothing left to lose is....


I don\'t think anything happened to back Russia into a corner. I do
think that Putin is insane and dreams of empire.

Bad that he has nukes.

It\'s crazy that the fates of so many depend on the emotions of one.


Think about that Mexico -> Warsaw pact idea. It\'s a pretty close
parallel, I think.

I make no apologies for Putin, who was and is a murderous thug.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Tribes need to define \"us\" and \"them\" before they can slaughter
\"them.\"

Language is one thing to tribalize around. Hitler thought he owned any
place with German-speaking people. Putin, russian speakers.

And the cyrillic alphabet.



--

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[Anthony William Sloman]

On Thursday, March 3, 2022 at 4:44:54 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:

On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 7:44:57 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Thursday, March 3, 2022 at 1:03:07 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
On Sunday, February 27, 2022 at 7:45:03 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Monday, February 28, 2022 at 7:42:14 AM UTC+11, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 27 Feb 2022 19:47:15 +0100, Gerhard Hoffmann <dk...@arcor..de> wrote:
Am 27.02.22 um 19:05 schrieb jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com:
On Sun, 27 Feb 2022 09:21:40 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs <bloggs..fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

Biden is the classic politician who has done nothing in his life but be a politician. And of course he got rich doing that.
As opposed to Trump, who made any number of people bankrupt.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_career_of_Donald_Trump
Translation: Trump, who made any number of people multimillionaires.
Presumably every last one of them was related to him. Flyguy does like to label the operations he does on other people\'s text as translations when a rotation is the operation he has actually carried out.

Translation: Flyguy is right and I don\'t know WTF I am talking about.

Flyguy does like his comforting delusions. He should have noticed by now that everybody sees them as delusions, but he does seem to have become remarkably senile recently.

Trump definitely isn\'t the kind of business man who creates valuable assets. Looking at his career he seems better at making assets less valuable than they were when he got them under his control. How much of that lost value he managed to siphon off for his own benefit is an open question - some of the losses allowed him to stop paying income tax in recent years.

Translation: Exactly the opposite is true, but I can\'t admit it.

Flyguy is brilliant at seeing what he whats to see in other\'s peoples text. It save him the trouble of reading what they have actually said - which is pretty much beyond him now, anyway

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Thursday, March 3, 2022 at 3:39:26 PM UTC+11, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Wed, 2 Mar 2022 20:47:15 -0500, Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamM...@electrooptical.net> wrote:
John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 2 Mar 2022 19:42:06 -0500, Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamM...@electrooptical.net> wrote:
John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 2 Mar 2022 19:21:37 -0500, Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamM...@electrooptical.net> wrote:
Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
onsdag den 2. marts 2022 kl. 15.43.04 UTC+1 skrev gnuarm.del...@gmail.com:
On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 8:45:18 AM UTC-5, Dimiter Popoff wrote:
On 3/2/2022 2:06, Rick C wrote:
On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 4:15:39 PM UTC-5, Dimiter Popoff wrote:
On 3/1/2022 23:09, Rick C wrote:
On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 3:34:35 PM UTC-5, Dimiter Popoff wrote:
On 3/1/2022 22:07, Rick C wrote:
On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 1:47:14 PM UTC-5, legg wrote:

<snip>

I don\'t think anything happened to back Russia into a corner. I do
think that Putin is insane and dreams of empire.

Bad that he has nukes.

It\'s crazy that the fates of so many depend on the emotions of one.


Think about that Mexico -> Warsaw pact idea. It\'s a pretty close parallel, I think.

It might be, if the rest of central America and most of South America had already joined the Warsaw pact. Many of the Ukraine\'s neighbours are already members of NATO.
It\'s actually a Flyguy-level thought bubble.

I make no apologies for Putin, who was and is a murderous thug.

Tribes need to define \"us\" and \"them\" before they can slaughter \"them.\"

Tribes are defined by \"us\" and \"them\". They don\'t have to make any special effort just before they start a war.

Russia is nation state, which is much bigger than any tribe, and Putin is merely exploiting tribal thinking in order to try to justify a rather foolish war,

Language is one thing to tribalize around. Hitler thought he owned any place with German-speaking people. Putin, russian speakers.

And the cyrillic alphabet.

Hitler was more interested in Aryan descent, which was an equally nonsensical idea.

The Cyrillic alphabet is just one more alphabet. It doesn\'t unit the people who use it any more that the Roman alphabet we use. Even the Basques write their language with the Roman alphabet and Basque isn\'t related to any other known language. Finish is almost as much of an isolate, and it is also written with Roman characters (though the letters B, C, F, G, Q, W, X, Z and Å are only used in names and foreign loanwords , and there are quite a few diacritcal marks).

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[legg]

On Wed, 2 Mar 2022 18:23:46 -0800 (PST), Rick C
<gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 6:46:41 PM UTC-5, legg wrote:
On Wed, 2 Mar 2022 06:30:50 -0800 (PST), Rick C
gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 8:35:59 AM UTC-5, legg wrote:
On Tue, 1 Mar 2022 12:07:17 -0800 (PST), Rick C
gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 1:47:14 PM UTC-5, legg wrote:
Whatever alert it was, it wasn\'t \'high alert\'.

There\'s no evidence of any change to the Russian nuclear
weapons alert status.

What would you expect to see?
A change. Any change. Parking lot occupancy. Reduced
personnel leave. Traffic.

~Whatever was observed the last time an \'alert level\'
was raised.

Ok, you have no idea. Got it. So how do you know nothing has been observed?
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/putin-put-russias-nuclear-forces-on-alert-what-does-that-mean-for-the-risk-of-nuclear-war

Why did you post this link? The question was about how to tell if Russia has nuclear weapons on high alert. This article says nothing about that.


How has the United States responded to Putin so far?

There is no evidence that the Biden administration has reciprocated in
any sense to Putin’s announcement that he was ordering his nuclear
forces in a “special regime of combat duty” — perhaps in part because
it was unclear what that means in practical terms.

The US has indicated they have NOT responded in kind.


Nor was there word from Washington of evidence that Putin had taken
worrying steps such as loading nuclear weapons on all or a portion of
Russia’s nuclear-capable air fleet or sending additional ballistic
missile submarines to sea.



https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/27/us/politics/putin-nuclear-alert-biden-deescalation.html

Mr. Kristensen of the Federation of American Scientists said the
threats could be empty unless matched with evidence that nuclear
weapons are being removed from storage and prepared for action.

“Unless we see that kind of thing,” Mr. Kristensen said, “it’s
rhetoric — it’s madman brinkmanship.”



https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/putin-puts-nuclear-forces-high-alert-escalating-worries-83152160

For many, Russia\'s announcement of a nuclear high alert stirred fears
that the West could be drawn into direct conflict with Russia. But a
senior U.S. defense official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said
the United States had yet to see any appreciable change in Russia’s
nuclear posture.

Yes, as Larkin is quick to point out, the world is full of fears.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60564123

UK Defence Secretary Ben Wallace told BBC News the UK had so far seen
no change in the actual posture of Russia\'s nuclear weapons.

That will be watched closely, intelligence sources confirm.

 

[M Kfivethousand]

On Sunday, February 27, 2022 at 4:08:03 PM UTC-6, John Robertson wrote:

On 2022/02/27 9:21 a.m., Fred Bloggs wrote:
If true, this makes for an extremely dangerous circumstance. The last thing anyone needs is to have an enormous number of hair trigger nuclear weapons on \"high\" alert.
Even a fraction of a full scale exchange will end western civilization as we know it for a long time to come.

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-kyiv-business-europe-moscow-2e4e1cf784f22b6afbe5a2f936725550

Of course Putin also realizes that if he tried to start a nuclear war
that his generals, etc., would simply stop him. He would have an
unexpected heart attack. Possibly from some sharp, handy object.

It is simply another bluff.

Why isn\'t possible these illnesses and attacks have already occurred

He appears so infrequently these days
Why wouldn\'t it be possible they have stuck him in dialysis 3 times per week now?

Or don’t know yet?

mk5000

They say there\'s nothing we can do
Just stand back
But while the government comforts you
Says \"Let\'s be patient\"

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[M Kfivethousand]

On Saturday, March 19, 2022 at 8:13:45 PM UTC-5, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

This is a pretty good book.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1250236061

It talks a bit about that sort of thing.

Thanks
I will check it out

Taking a u turn back to the subject header referencing probable testosterone poisoning victim Putin

He must have put Russia on high nuclear alert because he made a huge mess of Chernobyl

all the past stories say how the place has been turned into lush undisturbed forests with wildlife, due to no presence of humans.
all the plants and animals thrive here for decades, but the dumb russkies got radiation poisoning in less than a month

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/unprotected-russian-soldiers-disturbed-radioactive-dust-chernobyls-red-forest-2022-03-28/

\"Russian soldiers who seized the site of the Chernobyl nuclear disaster drove their armoured vehicles without radiation protection through a highly toxic zone called the \"Red Forest\", kicking up clouds of radioactive dust, workers at the site said.\"