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What happens if Jerry gets mad
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What happens if Jerry gets mad
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Don Y
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On 2/28/2022 2:33 PM, Robert Latest wrote:
That depends on what \"high alert\" means (to the Russians).
E.g., in the US, the various DEFCON levels have specific meanings in terms of
the resources brought to bear against the \"perceived threat\" as well as the
level of readiness of men and material.
E.g., DEFCON 5 is the \"normal\" level of readiness -- no EXTRAORDINARY threat
perceived.
At DEFCON 4, there is a heightened intelligence watch and enhanced security
measures put into place.
At DEFCON 3, the USAF must be ready to mobilize with *15* minutes noitice.
At DEFCON 2, the armed forces must be prepared to *deploy* within 6 hours!
At DEFCON 1, you start looking for a desk to hide under...
Note that these conditions can be selectively applied to portions of
the world theater. E.g., Putin is likely (\"allegedly\") less concerned
about threats from Finland or North Korea than from NATO forces.
Each level-transition results in changes in comms traffic as well
as troop/equipment changes.
[No idea if these are the current \"definitions\" but that\'s what I recall
from my tour of the Cheyenne Mountain Complex ~40 years ago]
Fred Bloggs wrote:
If true, this makes for an extremely dangerous circumstance. The last thing
anyone needs is to have an enormous number of hair trigger nuclear weapons on
\"high\" alert.
Aren\'t the nuclear arsenals permanently on high alert? They couldn\'t serve
their purpose otherwise.
That depends on what \"high alert\" means (to the Russians).
E.g., in the US, the various DEFCON levels have specific meanings in terms of
the resources brought to bear against the \"perceived threat\" as well as the
level of readiness of men and material.
E.g., DEFCON 5 is the \"normal\" level of readiness -- no EXTRAORDINARY threat
perceived.
At DEFCON 4, there is a heightened intelligence watch and enhanced security
measures put into place.
At DEFCON 3, the USAF must be ready to mobilize with *15* minutes noitice.
At DEFCON 2, the armed forces must be prepared to *deploy* within 6 hours!
At DEFCON 1, you start looking for a desk to hide under...
Note that these conditions can be selectively applied to portions of
the world theater. E.g., Putin is likely (\"allegedly\") less concerned
about threats from Finland or North Korea than from NATO forces.
Each level-transition results in changes in comms traffic as well
as troop/equipment changes.
[No idea if these are the current \"definitions\" but that\'s what I recall
from my tour of the Cheyenne Mountain Complex ~40 years ago]
Even a fraction of a full scale exchange will end western civilization as we
know it for a long time to come.
What about eastern civilization?
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bitrex
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On 2/27/2022 1:33 PM, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
This is the first major war between civilized countries in my lifetime.
USA vs. Iraq doesn\'t count, the USA isn\'t a civilized country.
On 2/27/2022 20:05, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 27 Feb 2022 09:21:40 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:
If true, this makes for an extremely dangerous circumstance. The last
thing anyone needs is to have an enormous number of hair trigger
nuclear weapons on \"high\" alert.
Even a fraction of a full scale exchange will end western
civilization as we know it for a long time to come.
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-kyiv-business-europe-moscow-2e4e1cf784f22b6afbe5a2f936725550
Some defect in human socialization lets insane people become in
charge.
Maybe the finite human life span is nature\'s way of limiting that
effect.
It is. But in social sense there are better, human made, tools
for that purpose. Like having up to two mandates etc. Psychopaths
still make it regularly to positions in power but it takes time
until they become confident enough and/or to gain complete
control.
Russia is a country with medieval social structure, no wonder they
constantly end up with some outright psychopath in charge.
And they have nuclear capability, on top of that medieval social
structure...
This is the first major war between civilized countries in my lifetime.
USA vs. Iraq doesn\'t count, the USA isn\'t a civilized country.
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John Larkin
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On Mon, 28 Feb 2022 14:59:14 +1100, Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid>
wrote:
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/kremlin-installs-special-antiseptic-tunnels-protect-putin-71297852
What a nut case. Wasn\'t Hitler germ-phobic? Or was that Howard Hughes?
Dictator for life. If the referendum doesn\'t pass, do you suppose
he\'ll leave peacefully?
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but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties.
Francis Bacon
wrote:
On 28-Feb-22 4:21 am, Fred Bloggs wrote:
If true, this makes for an extremely dangerous circumstance. The last thing anyone needs is to have an enormous number of hair trigger nuclear weapons on \"high\" alert.
Even a fraction of a full scale exchange will end western civilization as we know it for a long time to come.
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-kyiv-business-europe-moscow-2e4e1cf784f22b6afbe5a2f936725550
The delusional maniac knows there\'s risk that he\'ll deposed, and then
either imprisoned for life, or executed, so he wants to take the rest of
the world with him in WW3.
Sylvia.
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/kremlin-installs-special-antiseptic-tunnels-protect-putin-71297852
What a nut case. Wasn\'t Hitler germ-phobic? Or was that Howard Hughes?
Dictator for life. If the referendum doesn\'t pass, do you suppose
he\'ll leave peacefully?
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If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties.
Francis Bacon
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Rick C
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On Monday, February 28, 2022 at 5:07:40 PM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote:
Yeah, next he\'ll propose using bleach to stop the Coronavirus.
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On Mon, 28 Feb 2022 14:59:14 +1100, Sylvia Else <syl...@email.invalid
wrote:
On 28-Feb-22 4:21 am, Fred Bloggs wrote:
If true, this makes for an extremely dangerous circumstance. The last thing anyone needs is to have an enormous number of hair trigger nuclear weapons on \"high\" alert.
Even a fraction of a full scale exchange will end western civilization as we know it for a long time to come.
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-kyiv-business-europe-moscow-2e4e1cf784f22b6afbe5a2f936725550
The delusional maniac knows there\'s risk that he\'ll deposed, and then
either imprisoned for life, or executed, so he wants to take the rest of
the world with him in WW3.
Sylvia.
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/kremlin-installs-special-antiseptic-tunnels-protect-putin-71297852
What a nut case.
Yeah, next he\'ll propose using bleach to stop the Coronavirus.
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John S
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On 2/27/2022 11:21 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
Too bad we left our donation to Belarus back there in Afghanistan.
If true, this makes for an extremely dangerous circumstance. The last thing anyone needs is to have an enormous number of hair trigger nuclear weapons on \"high\" alert.
Even a fraction of a full scale exchange will end western civilization as we know it for a long time to come.
Too bad we left our donation to Belarus back there in Afghanistan.
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server
Guest
On Mon, 28 Feb 2022 14:07:24 -0800, John Larkin
<jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
https://news.yahoo.com/photos-putin-keeps-his-distance-during-meetings-194633383.html
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<jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
On Mon, 28 Feb 2022 14:59:14 +1100, Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid
wrote:
On 28-Feb-22 4:21 am, Fred Bloggs wrote:
If true, this makes for an extremely dangerous circumstance. The last thing anyone needs is to have an enormous number of hair trigger nuclear weapons on \"high\" alert.
Even a fraction of a full scale exchange will end western civilization as we know it for a long time to come.
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-kyiv-business-europe-moscow-2e4e1cf784f22b6afbe5a2f936725550
The delusional maniac knows there\'s risk that he\'ll deposed, and then
either imprisoned for life, or executed, so he wants to take the rest of
the world with him in WW3.
Sylvia.
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/kremlin-installs-special-antiseptic-tunnels-protect-putin-71297852
What a nut case. Wasn\'t Hitler germ-phobic? Or was that Howard Hughes?
https://news.yahoo.com/photos-putin-keeps-his-distance-during-meetings-194633383.html
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Mike Monett
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jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
[...]
Not a whisper of the sanctions against Putin and Russia. These will wreck the
Russian economy. Putin wisely keeps his distance.
On Mon, 28 Feb 2022 14:07:24 -0800, John Larkin
jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
[...]
What a nut case. Wasn\'t Hitler germ-phobic? Or was that Howard Hughes?
https://news.yahoo.com/photos-putin-keeps-his-distance-during-meetings-19
4633383.html
Not a whisper of the sanctions against Putin and Russia. These will wreck the
Russian economy. Putin wisely keeps his distance.
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David Brown
Guest
On 28/02/2022 22:07, Mike Monett wrote:
Put < > brackets around the URL\'s - then they still work regardless of
wrapping. For example,
<https://www.cnbc.com/2022/02/26/eu-uk-canada-us-pledge-to-remove-selected-russian-banks-from-swift.html>
whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, February 27, 2022 at 10:38:44 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org
wrote:
On Monday, February 28, 2022 at 5:22:08 PM UTC+11, Sylvia Else wrote:
There was never the remotest possibility that NATO would invade
Russia.
But if Russia fell apart again they might well send in peace-keeping
forces.
Yeah, maybe, but... NATO countries don\'t generally practice
conscription, and Russia does. Russian military would be part of the
peace-keeping, in any case. So, it\'d be a basically a military coup
internal to Russia, regardless of NATO presence.
Doesn\'t matter. Looks like Putin has screwed himself and the Russian
economy. You can\'t believe everything you find on the web, but there is a
clear trend.
Sorry for the wrap.
Put < > brackets around the URL\'s - then they still work regardless of
wrapping. For example,
<https://www.cnbc.com/2022/02/26/eu-uk-canada-us-pledge-to-remove-selected-russian-banks-from-swift.html>
EU, UK, Canada, US pledge to remove selected Russian banks from SWIFT
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/02/26/eu-uk-canada-us-pledge-to-remove-selected-
russian-banks-from-swift.html
Biden administration expands Russia sanctions, cuts off U.S. transactions
with central bank
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/02/28/biden-administration-expands-russia-
sanctions-cuts-off-us-transactions-with-central-bank.html
Russia?s economy in crisis as sanctions bite | Business | Economy and
finance news from a German perspective | DW | 28.02.2022
https://www.dw.com/en/russias-economy-in-crisis-as-sanctions-bite/a-
60943968
Russian soldiers \'dropping their weapons and don\'t want to fight\' | World |
News | Express.co.uk
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1571590/Russian-soldiers-Ukraine-
invasion-latest-Vladimir-Putin-latest-Kiev-fighting-vn
Vladimir Putin humiliated as troops down weapons in massive collapse of
Russian morale | World | News | Express.co.uk
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1572769/vladimir-putin-ukraine-war-
russian-soldiers-down-weapons-kharkiv
The damage is done: Russians face economic point of no return | Russia |
The Guardian
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/28/the-damage-is-done-russians-
face-economic-point-of-no-return
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legg
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Whatever alert it was, it wasn\'t \'high alert\'.
There\'s no evidence of any change to the Russian nuclear
weapons alert status.
RL
There\'s no evidence of any change to the Russian nuclear
weapons alert status.
RL
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Rick C
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On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 1:47:14 PM UTC-5, legg wrote:
What would you expect to see?
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Whatever alert it was, it wasn\'t \'high alert\'.
There\'s no evidence of any change to the Russian nuclear
weapons alert status.
What would you expect to see?
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Dimiter_Popoff
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On 3/1/2022 22:07, Rick C wrote:
Perhaps the guy works for the DoD and can only tell as much.
But I just read on a Bulgarian site that the Russians have started
drills with their nuclear submarines.
May be not the worst news, if this will make them easier to
detect/locate/target.
I think an all out war is inevitable now unless someone manages to
kill the psychopath in the Kremlin.
On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 1:47:14 PM UTC-5, legg wrote:
Whatever alert it was, it wasn\'t \'high alert\'.
There\'s no evidence of any change to the Russian nuclear
weapons alert status.
What would you expect to see?
Perhaps the guy works for the DoD and can only tell as much.
But I just read on a Bulgarian site that the Russians have started
drills with their nuclear submarines.
May be not the worst news, if this will make them easier to
detect/locate/target.
I think an all out war is inevitable now unless someone manages to
kill the psychopath in the Kremlin.
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Rick C
Guest
On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 3:34:35 PM UTC-5, Dimiter Popoff wrote:
You think what is happening in Ukraine is not all out war?
Putin is rattling the nuclear saber to indicate no other countries should send in troops or even think about an attack on Russia.
I don\'t see how anyone can prevent Russia from taking Ukraine. What they can do is make Russia pay dearly for it. But the cost to Ukrainians will be very dear as well. However, that is the case even if they simply let the Russians in peacefully. This is not new. We know how things go when Russia is in charge of your country.
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On 3/1/2022 22:07, Rick C wrote:
On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 1:47:14 PM UTC-5, legg wrote:
Whatever alert it was, it wasn\'t \'high alert\'.
There\'s no evidence of any change to the Russian nuclear
weapons alert status.
What would you expect to see?
Perhaps the guy works for the DoD and can only tell as much.
But I just read on a Bulgarian site that the Russians have started
drills with their nuclear submarines.
May be not the worst news, if this will make them easier to
detect/locate/target.
I think an all out war is inevitable now unless someone manages to
kill the psychopath in the Kremlin.
You think what is happening in Ukraine is not all out war?
Putin is rattling the nuclear saber to indicate no other countries should send in troops or even think about an attack on Russia.
I don\'t see how anyone can prevent Russia from taking Ukraine. What they can do is make Russia pay dearly for it. But the cost to Ukrainians will be very dear as well. However, that is the case even if they simply let the Russians in peacefully. This is not new. We know how things go when Russia is in charge of your country.
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Dimiter_Popoff
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On 3/1/2022 23:09, Rick C wrote:
I mean an all-out world war. The civilized world just *cannot* let
Putin do as he pleases any longer.
Which is why I said an all out war - yes, meaning a nuclear war - is
now inevitable. Unless someone shoots Putin.
On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 3:34:35 PM UTC-5, Dimiter Popoff wrote:
On 3/1/2022 22:07, Rick C wrote:
On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 1:47:14 PM UTC-5, legg wrote:
Whatever alert it was, it wasn\'t \'high alert\'.
There\'s no evidence of any change to the Russian nuclear
weapons alert status.
What would you expect to see?
Perhaps the guy works for the DoD and can only tell as much.
But I just read on a Bulgarian site that the Russians have started
drills with their nuclear submarines.
May be not the worst news, if this will make them easier to
detect/locate/target.
I think an all out war is inevitable now unless someone manages to
kill the psychopath in the Kremlin.
You think what is happening in Ukraine is not all out war?
I mean an all-out world war. The civilized world just *cannot* let
Putin do as he pleases any longer.
Putin is rattling the nuclear saber to indicate no other countries should send in troops or even think about an attack on Russia.
I don\'t see how anyone can prevent Russia from taking Ukraine. What they can do is make Russia pay dearly for it. But the cost to Ukrainians will be very dear as well. However, that is the case even if they simply let the Russians in peacefully. This is not new. We know how things go when Russia is in charge of your country.
Which is why I said an all out war - yes, meaning a nuclear war - is
now inevitable. Unless someone shoots Putin.
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Rick C
Guest
On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 4:15:39 PM UTC-5, Dimiter Popoff wrote:
Yes, that is what I expected you meant and is nonsense. No one is going to fight Russia over Ukraine. That\'s sad, but it\'s the truth. If Ukraine was a member of NATO, then all manner of assistance would be provided. However, had Ukraine been a member of NATO, Russia would know not to invade. That is why they are invading, to prevent Ukraine from ever becoming a member of NATO. Russia wants other states around it to support Russia, not to be part of the enemy.
So war by Russia today, because they know no one else will be involved and it will NOT become WWIII.
This is why we honor our military, to create the mode of thought that it is important to do whatever is asked of you, to prevent thinking of whether the action is reasonable or not. Even that was not enough in Tienanmen Square, so the government had to bring in troops from other regions that spoke different dialects and did not sympathize with the civilians.
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On 3/1/2022 23:09, Rick C wrote:
On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 3:34:35 PM UTC-5, Dimiter Popoff wrote:
On 3/1/2022 22:07, Rick C wrote:
On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 1:47:14 PM UTC-5, legg wrote:
Whatever alert it was, it wasn\'t \'high alert\'.
There\'s no evidence of any change to the Russian nuclear
weapons alert status.
What would you expect to see?
Perhaps the guy works for the DoD and can only tell as much.
But I just read on a Bulgarian site that the Russians have started
drills with their nuclear submarines.
May be not the worst news, if this will make them easier to
detect/locate/target.
I think an all out war is inevitable now unless someone manages to
kill the psychopath in the Kremlin.
You think what is happening in Ukraine is not all out war?
I mean an all-out world war. The civilized world just *cannot* let
Putin do as he pleases any longer.
Putin is rattling the nuclear saber to indicate no other countries should send in troops or even think about an attack on Russia.
I don\'t see how anyone can prevent Russia from taking Ukraine. What they can do is make Russia pay dearly for it. But the cost to Ukrainians will be very dear as well. However, that is the case even if they simply let the Russians in peacefully. This is not new. We know how things go when Russia is in charge of your country.
Which is why I said an all out war - yes, meaning a nuclear war - is
now inevitable. Unless someone shoots Putin.
Yes, that is what I expected you meant and is nonsense. No one is going to fight Russia over Ukraine. That\'s sad, but it\'s the truth. If Ukraine was a member of NATO, then all manner of assistance would be provided. However, had Ukraine been a member of NATO, Russia would know not to invade. That is why they are invading, to prevent Ukraine from ever becoming a member of NATO. Russia wants other states around it to support Russia, not to be part of the enemy.
So war by Russia today, because they know no one else will be involved and it will NOT become WWIII.
This is why we honor our military, to create the mode of thought that it is important to do whatever is asked of you, to prevent thinking of whether the action is reasonable or not. Even that was not enough in Tienanmen Square, so the government had to bring in troops from other regions that spoke different dialects and did not sympathize with the civilians.
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Anthony William Sloman
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On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 11:06:30 AM UTC+11, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
They do seem to be willing to wreck Russia\'s economy with the aim of discouraging him. Any of Putin\'s person al wealth that he has sent out of Russia is gong to be expropriated as fast as it is tracked down, and his oligarchs are facing the same treatment. It\'s going to have been a expensive exercise fro them.
> That\'s sad, but it\'s the truth. If Ukraine was a member of NATO, then all manner of assistance would be provided. However, had Ukraine been a member of NATO, Russia would know not to invade. That is why they are invading, to prevent Ukraine from ever becoming a member of NATO. Russia wants other states around it to support Russia, not to be part of the enemy.
Encouraging and arming separatist insurrections in neighbouring states isn\'t a great way of getting the states around Russia to support Russia.
> So war by Russia today, because they know no one else will be involved and it will NOT become WWIII.
And because Russia is run by people too dim to realise that waging war on their neighbours isn\'t a profitable exercise.
> This is why we honor our military, to create the mode of thought that it is important to do whatever is asked of you, to prevent thinking of whether the action is reasonable or not.
The Nuremberg war crimes trials put paid to that. The more recent war crimes trial of the leaders of former Yugoslavia have reinforced the message.
Putin has probably already done enough to put him in line for similar treatment, in due course.
> Even that was not enough in Tienanmen Square, so the government had to bring in troops from other regions that spoke different dialects and did not sympathize with the civilians.
And didn\'t know much about war crimes trials.
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On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 4:15:39 PM UTC-5, Dimiter Popoff wrote:
On 3/1/2022 23:09, Rick C wrote:
On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 3:34:35 PM UTC-5, Dimiter Popoff wrote:
On 3/1/2022 22:07, Rick C wrote:
On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 1:47:14 PM UTC-5, legg wrote:
Whatever alert it was, it wasn\'t \'high alert\'.
There\'s no evidence of any change to the Russian nuclear
weapons alert status.
What would you expect to see?
Perhaps the guy works for the DoD and can only tell as much.
But I just read on a Bulgarian site that the Russians have started
drills with their nuclear submarines.
May be not the worst news, if this will make them easier to
detect/locate/target.
I think an all out war is inevitable now unless someone manages to
kill the psychopath in the Kremlin.
You think what is happening in Ukraine is not all out war?
I mean an all-out world war. The civilized world just *cannot* let Putin do as he pleases any longer.
Putin is rattling the nuclear saber to indicate no other countries should send in troops or even think about an attack on Russia.
I don\'t see how anyone can prevent Russia from taking Ukraine. What they can do is make Russia pay dearly for it. But the cost to Ukrainians will be very dear as well. However, that is the case even if they simply let the Russians in peacefully. This is not new. We know how things go when Russia is in charge of your country.
Which is why I said an all out war - yes, meaning a nuclear war - is now inevitable. Unless someone shoots Putin.
Yes, that is what I expected you meant and is nonsense. No one is going to fight Russia over Ukraine.
They do seem to be willing to wreck Russia\'s economy with the aim of discouraging him. Any of Putin\'s person al wealth that he has sent out of Russia is gong to be expropriated as fast as it is tracked down, and his oligarchs are facing the same treatment. It\'s going to have been a expensive exercise fro them.
> That\'s sad, but it\'s the truth. If Ukraine was a member of NATO, then all manner of assistance would be provided. However, had Ukraine been a member of NATO, Russia would know not to invade. That is why they are invading, to prevent Ukraine from ever becoming a member of NATO. Russia wants other states around it to support Russia, not to be part of the enemy.
Encouraging and arming separatist insurrections in neighbouring states isn\'t a great way of getting the states around Russia to support Russia.
> So war by Russia today, because they know no one else will be involved and it will NOT become WWIII.
And because Russia is run by people too dim to realise that waging war on their neighbours isn\'t a profitable exercise.
> This is why we honor our military, to create the mode of thought that it is important to do whatever is asked of you, to prevent thinking of whether the action is reasonable or not.
The Nuremberg war crimes trials put paid to that. The more recent war crimes trial of the leaders of former Yugoslavia have reinforced the message.
Putin has probably already done enough to put him in line for similar treatment, in due course.
> Even that was not enough in Tienanmen Square, so the government had to bring in troops from other regions that spoke different dialects and did not sympathize with the civilians.
And didn\'t know much about war crimes trials.
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legg
Guest
On Tue, 1 Mar 2022 12:07:17 -0800 (PST), Rick C
<gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:
A change. Any change. Parking lot occupancy. Reduced
personnel leave. Traffic.
~Whatever was observed the last time an \'alert level\'
was raised.
RL
<gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 1:47:14 PM UTC-5, legg wrote:
Whatever alert it was, it wasn\'t \'high alert\'.
There\'s no evidence of any change to the Russian nuclear
weapons alert status.
What would you expect to see?
A change. Any change. Parking lot occupancy. Reduced
personnel leave. Traffic.
~Whatever was observed the last time an \'alert level\'
was raised.
RL
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legg
Guest
On Tue, 1 Mar 2022 19:32:06 -0800 (PST), Anthony William Sloman
<bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:
<snip>
Actually, replacing the government is a common method of \'gaining
support\' in both hemispheres.
friends.
However, you don\'t nuke territory that you intend to
occupy. Russia has experience in repopulating areas of
strategic interest, without resorting to outright vandalism.
Kaliningrad, Sevastopol, the Ukraine . . .
RL
<bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:
<snip>
Encouraging and arming separatist insurrections in neighbouring states isn\'t a great way of getting the states around Russia to support Russia.
Actually, replacing the government is a common method of \'gaining
support\' in both hemispheres.
Problem is, war is profitable to those in power, and theirSo war by Russia today, because they know no one else will be involved and it will NOT become WWIII.
And because Russia is run by people too dim to realise that waging war on their neighbours isn\'t a profitable exercise.
friends.
However, you don\'t nuke territory that you intend to
occupy. Russia has experience in repopulating areas of
strategic interest, without resorting to outright vandalism.
Kaliningrad, Sevastopol, the Ukraine . . .
RL
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Dimiter_Popoff
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On 3/2/2022 2:06, Rick C wrote:
In a similar way the world watched Hitler take first Poland, then...
It won\'t be any different unless someone shoots Putin.
On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 4:15:39 PM UTC-5, Dimiter Popoff wrote:
On 3/1/2022 23:09, Rick C wrote:
On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 3:34:35 PM UTC-5, Dimiter Popoff wrote:
On 3/1/2022 22:07, Rick C wrote:
On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 1:47:14 PM UTC-5, legg wrote:
Whatever alert it was, it wasn\'t \'high alert\'.
There\'s no evidence of any change to the Russian nuclear
weapons alert status.
What would you expect to see?
Perhaps the guy works for the DoD and can only tell as much.
But I just read on a Bulgarian site that the Russians have started
drills with their nuclear submarines.
May be not the worst news, if this will make them easier to
detect/locate/target.
I think an all out war is inevitable now unless someone manages to
kill the psychopath in the Kremlin.
You think what is happening in Ukraine is not all out war?
I mean an all-out world war. The civilized world just *cannot* let
Putin do as he pleases any longer.
Putin is rattling the nuclear saber to indicate no other countries should send in troops or even think about an attack on Russia.
I don\'t see how anyone can prevent Russia from taking Ukraine. What they can do is make Russia pay dearly for it. But the cost to Ukrainians will be very dear as well. However, that is the case even if they simply let the Russians in peacefully. This is not new. We know how things go when Russia is in charge of your country.
Which is why I said an all out war - yes, meaning a nuclear war - is
now inevitable. Unless someone shoots Putin.
Yes, that is what I expected you meant and is nonsense. No one is going to fight Russia over Ukraine. That\'s sad, but it\'s the truth. If Ukraine was a member of NATO, then all manner of assistance would be provided. However, had Ukraine been a member of NATO, Russia would know not to invade. That is why they are invading, to prevent Ukraine from ever becoming a member of NATO. Russia wants other states around it to support Russia, not to be part of the enemy.
So war by Russia today, because they know no one else will be involved and it will NOT become WWIII.
In a similar way the world watched Hitler take first Poland, then...
It won\'t be any different unless someone shoots Putin.
R
Rick C
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On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 8:35:59 AM UTC-5, legg wrote:
Ok, you have no idea. Got it. So how do you know nothing has been observed?
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On Tue, 1 Mar 2022 12:07:17 -0800 (PST), Rick C
gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 1:47:14 PM UTC-5, legg wrote:
Whatever alert it was, it wasn\'t \'high alert\'.
There\'s no evidence of any change to the Russian nuclear
weapons alert status.
What would you expect to see?
A change. Any change. Parking lot occupancy. Reduced
personnel leave. Traffic.
~Whatever was observed the last time an \'alert level\'
was raised.
Ok, you have no idea. Got it. So how do you know nothing has been observed?
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