Putin puts nuclear forces on high alert...

[Fred Bloggs]

If true, this makes for an extremely dangerous circumstance. The last thing anyone needs is to have an enormous number of hair trigger nuclear weapons on \"high\" alert.
Even a fraction of a full scale exchange will end western civilization as we know it for a long time to come.

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-kyiv-business-europe-moscow-2e4e1cf784f22b6afbe5a2f936725550

 

[Dmitriy Pshonkin]

Do not drive the Russians into a corner!
In 2014, a civil war would have started in Russia if
across Crimea and Sevastopol the boot of a NATO soldier walked.
Now history has repeated itself.
Listen and catch every word of Putin.
He doesn\'t bluff.
The Ukrainian attack on Donetsk and Luhansk was planned.
Kyiv bombed them for 8 years.
Current events suggest a match-fixing between Biden and Putin. The Ukrainian American project is closed and everything starts from scratch.

 

[server]

On Sun, 27 Feb 2022 09:21:40 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

If true, this makes for an extremely dangerous circumstance. The last thing anyone needs is to have an enormous number of hair trigger nuclear weapons on \"high\" alert.
Even a fraction of a full scale exchange will end western civilization as we know it for a long time to come.

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-kyiv-business-europe-moscow-2e4e1cf784f22b6afbe5a2f936725550

Some defect in human socialization lets insane people become in
charge.

Maybe the finite human life span is nature\'s way of limiting that
effect.



--

I yam what I yam - Popeye

 

[Dimiter_Popoff]

On 2/27/2022 20:05, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Sun, 27 Feb 2022 09:21:40 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

If true, this makes for an extremely dangerous circumstance. The last thing anyone needs is to have an enormous number of hair trigger nuclear weapons on \"high\" alert.
Even a fraction of a full scale exchange will end western civilization as we know it for a long time to come.

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-kyiv-business-europe-moscow-2e4e1cf784f22b6afbe5a2f936725550

Some defect in human socialization lets insane people become in
charge.

Maybe the finite human life span is nature\'s way of limiting that
effect.

It is. But in social sense there are better, human made, tools
for that purpose. Like having up to two mandates etc. Psychopaths
still make it regularly to positions in power but it takes time
until they become confident enough and/or to gain complete
control.

Russia is a country with medieval social structure, no wonder they
constantly end up with some outright psychopath in charge.
And they have nuclear capability, on top of that medieval social
structure...

 

[Don Y]

On 2/27/2022 10:40 AM, Dmitriy Pshonkin wrote:
> Do not drive the Russians into a corner!

Says Russian Dmitriy Pshonkin? Russia has made it\'s own \"corner\"
by insisting that what *it* wants is what the rest of the world
should \"accommodate\".

There was a man with a funny little mustache who made similar
demands ~80 years ago. Things didn\'t turn out well for him.

In 2014, a civil war would have started in Russia if across Crimea and
Sevastopol the boot of a NATO soldier walked. Now history has repeated
itself. Listen and catch every word of Putin. He doesn\'t bluff. The
Ukrainian attack on Donetsk and Luhansk was planned

Don\'t you mean, \"The incursion into Ukraine, through Donetsk
and Luhansk, was planned (to buy time to move troops to
more forward positions before triggering any sort of retaliation)?

> Kyiv bombed them for 8 years.

On damn near every map that I can find, this is Ukrainian
territory. Doesn\'t the Ukrainian government have a right
to expel \"hostiles\"?

If the Chinese occupied Moscow, should Russian troops
be allowed to bomb Moscow? St Pete?

Current events suggest a match-fixing between Biden and Putin. The Ukrainian
American project is closed and everything starts from scratch.

I suspect the opposite is true. Russian has lost any hopes of
\"international prestige\". Increasingly, Putin looks like someone
who has \"lost it\".

Perhaps history will remember him as the man who presided over
the demise of *Russia*, now that the Soviet Union is gone...

We may be seeing the start of Russia as a vassal of *China*
(as China clearly has the upper hand in that relationship,
at the moment). I wonder what they\'ll want as collateral
for any loans they extend once Russia burns through its
hard currency? Maybe the regions bordering Mongolia?
For starters...

 

[Don Y]

On 2/27/2022 11:33 AM, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:

It is. But in social sense there are better, human made, tools
for that purpose. Like having up to two mandates etc. Psychopaths
still make it regularly to positions in power but it takes time
until they become confident enough and/or to gain complete
control.

It takes the COMPLICITY (or complacency) OF OTHERS to gain any measure
of control.

Russia is a country with medieval social structure, no wonder they
constantly end up with some outright psychopath in charge.
And they have nuclear capability, on top of that medieval social
structure...

 

[Dimiter_Popoff]

On 2/27/2022 20:42, Don Y wrote:

On 2/27/2022 11:33 AM, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
It is. But in social sense there are better, human made, tools
for that purpose. Like having up to two mandates etc. Psychopaths
still make it regularly to positions in power but it takes time
until they become confident enough and/or to gain complete
control.

It takes the COMPLICITY (or complacency) OF OTHERS to gain any measure
of control.

It does, and the thing is most if not all of those looking for a career
in and around offices of power are exactly the type of \"others\" you
refer to.

Russia is a country with medieval social structure, no wonder they
constantly end up with some outright psychopath in charge.
And they have nuclear capability, on top of that medieval social
structure...

 

[Dimiter_Popoff]

On 2/27/2022 20:40, Don Y wrote:

On 2/27/2022 10:40 AM, Dmitriy Pshonkin wrote:
....

Current events suggest a match-fixing between Biden and Putin. The
Ukrainian
American project is closed and everything starts from scratch.

I suspect the opposite is true.  Russian has lost any hopes of
\"international prestige\".  Increasingly, Putin looks like someone
who has \"lost it\".

He may have a point with that. We\'ll know soon.
If Biden and Putin have prearranged it all and Zelenskiy is the figure
in their way - the man did not flee, he is with his people in Kiev - on
the meeting which is to take place at the Belorussian border now for
which Biden promised protection (probably surveillance/warnings etc.)
they will betray him and have him killed.
To be seen... I sincerely hope this is not the case.

 

[whit3rd]

On Sunday, February 27, 2022 at 9:40:37 AM UTC-8, Dmitriy Pshonkin wrote:
> Do not drive the Russians into a corner!

Er... Russia is a large country, not a corner. If they export
troops, warplanes, artillery... and death, those exports should
be rejected. As to \'Russians\', they needn\'t be driven, if they
keep to their large country.

Listen and catch every word of Putin.
He doesn\'t bluff.

Nor tell truth, nor limit his imperious influence to his
home country. His words have less value than most, and
his actions invite suppression; there\'s no value in accommodating
a megalomaniac.

 

[Don Y]

On 2/27/2022 11:51 AM, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:

On 2/27/2022 20:42, Don Y wrote:
On 2/27/2022 11:33 AM, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
It is. But in social sense there are better, human made, tools
for that purpose. Like having up to two mandates etc. Psychopaths
still make it regularly to positions in power but it takes time
until they become confident enough and/or to gain complete
control.

It takes the COMPLICITY (or complacency) OF OTHERS to gain any measure
of control.

It does, and the thing is most if not all of those looking for a career
in and around offices of power are exactly the type of \"others\" you
refer to.

But it\'s not limited to them. The people of Germany were complicit in
Hitler\'s folly. As are the people of Russia in Putin\'s.

Idiots allowed the orange skinned clown to come to power, here.
But, later, corrected that mistake.

Letting your society turn into an autocracy means you forfeit
your ability to make those \"fixes\" (because, surely, an autocrat
will quickly take steps to ensure his continued hold on that power!)

Russia is a country with medieval social structure, no wonder they
constantly end up with some outright psychopath in charge.
And they have nuclear capability, on top of that medieval social
structure...

 

[Dimiter_Popoff]

On 2/27/2022 21:20, Don Y wrote:

On 2/27/2022 11:51 AM, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
On 2/27/2022 20:42, Don Y wrote:
On 2/27/2022 11:33 AM, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
It is. But in social sense there are better, human made, tools
for that purpose. Like having up to two mandates etc. Psychopaths
still make it regularly to positions in power but it takes time
until they become confident enough and/or to gain complete
control.

It takes the COMPLICITY (or complacency) OF OTHERS to gain any measure
of control.

It does, and the thing is most if not all of those looking for a career
in and around offices of power are exactly the type of \"others\" you
refer to.

But it\'s not limited to them.  The people of Germany were complicit in
Hitler\'s folly.  As are the people of Russia in Putin\'s.

Idiots allowed the orange skinned clown to come to power, here.
But, later, corrected that mistake.

Letting your society turn into an autocracy means you forfeit
your ability to make those \"fixes\" (because, surely, an autocrat
will quickly take steps to ensure his continued hold on that power!)

True of course. But given that about 85% of the people think what
they have been told by the media the day before it is quite easy
to make them complicit to evil causes once you are in control.

 

[Don Y]

On 2/27/2022 12:34 PM, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:

On 2/27/2022 21:20, Don Y wrote:
On 2/27/2022 11:51 AM, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
On 2/27/2022 20:42, Don Y wrote:
On 2/27/2022 11:33 AM, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
It is. But in social sense there are better, human made, tools
for that purpose. Like having up to two mandates etc. Psychopaths
still make it regularly to positions in power but it takes time
until they become confident enough and/or to gain complete
control.

It takes the COMPLICITY (or complacency) OF OTHERS to gain any measure
of control.

It does, and the thing is most if not all of those looking for a career
in and around offices of power are exactly the type of \"others\" you
refer to.

But it\'s not limited to them. The people of Germany were complicit in
Hitler\'s folly. As are the people of Russia in Putin\'s.

Idiots allowed the orange skinned clown to come to power, here.
But, later, corrected that mistake.

Letting your society turn into an autocracy means you forfeit
your ability to make those \"fixes\" (because, surely, an autocrat
will quickly take steps to ensure his continued hold on that power!)

True of course. But given that about 85% of the people think what
they have been told by the media the day before it is quite easy
to make them complicit to evil causes once you are in control.

Yup. The point being to *think* about what information you are
consuming. E.g., The \"fake news\" movement deliberately STOPPED
thinking and became lemmings.

(I.e., if you aren\'t looking at MANY \"information sources\",
you\'re likely cherry picking the ones that tell you what you
want to hear! Or, that you are willing to tolerate while
being a lazy consumer)

 

[server]

On Sun, 27 Feb 2022 20:33:11 +0200, Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com>
wrote:

On 2/27/2022 20:05, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 27 Feb 2022 09:21:40 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

If true, this makes for an extremely dangerous circumstance. The last thing anyone needs is to have an enormous number of hair trigger nuclear weapons on \"high\" alert.
Even a fraction of a full scale exchange will end western civilization as we know it for a long time to come.

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-kyiv-business-europe-moscow-2e4e1cf784f22b6afbe5a2f936725550

Some defect in human socialization lets insane people become in
charge.

Maybe the finite human life span is nature\'s way of limiting that
effect.




It is. But in social sense there are better, human made, tools
for that purpose. Like having up to two mandates etc. Psychopaths
still make it regularly to positions in power but it takes time
until they become confident enough and/or to gain complete
control.

Russia is a country with medieval social structure, no wonder they
constantly end up with some outright psychopath in charge.
And they have nuclear capability, on top of that medieval social
structure...

The US sensibly has term limits for President and most governers and
mayors. We need term limits for all politicians.

There was a recent study that shows that politicians get worse as they
age and learn the power game. Makes sense.

I\'d guess that a randomly selected plumber would be a better than
average senator or president.




--

I yam what I yam - Popeye

 

[John Robertson]

On 2022/02/27 9:21 a.m., Fred Bloggs wrote:

If true, this makes for an extremely dangerous circumstance. The last thing anyone needs is to have an enormous number of hair trigger nuclear weapons on \"high\" alert.
Even a fraction of a full scale exchange will end western civilization as we know it for a long time to come.

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-kyiv-business-europe-moscow-2e4e1cf784f22b6afbe5a2f936725550

Of course Putin also realizes that if he tried to start a nuclear war
that his generals, etc., would simply stop him. He would have an
unexpected heart attack. Possibly from some sharp, handy object.

It is simply another bluff.

John

 

[Don Y]

On 2/27/2022 12:00 PM, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:

On 2/27/2022 20:40, Don Y wrote:
On 2/27/2022 10:40 AM, Dmitriy Pshonkin wrote:
....

Current events suggest a match-fixing between Biden and Putin. The Ukrainian
American project is closed and everything starts from scratch.

I suspect the opposite is true. Russian has lost any hopes of
\"international prestige\". Increasingly, Putin looks like someone
who has \"lost it\".


He may have a point with that. We\'ll know soon.
If Biden and Putin have prearranged it all and Zelenskiy is the figure
in their way - the man did not flee, he is with his people in Kiev - on
the meeting which is to take place at the Belorussian border now for
which Biden promised protection (probably surveillance/warnings etc.)
they will betray him and have him killed.
To be seen... I sincerely hope this is not the case.

I suspect Putin will either use this to \"get a trace on him\"
(easier to find someone when you KNOW where he is at a point in
time), or...

Invite him to carry a bit of Polonium back on (in) his person!

In the 21st century, there is never a need for a face-to-face
meeting. (unless you want to be absolutely sure no one knows
what is said *in* it -- like the orange clown).

 

[Sylvia Else]

On 28-Feb-22 4:21 am, Fred Bloggs wrote:

If true, this makes for an extremely dangerous circumstance. The last thing anyone needs is to have an enormous number of hair trigger nuclear weapons on \"high\" alert.
Even a fraction of a full scale exchange will end western civilization as we know it for a long time to come.

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-kyiv-business-europe-moscow-2e4e1cf784f22b6afbe5a2f936725550

The delusional maniac knows there\'s risk that he\'ll deposed, and then
either imprisoned for life, or executed, so he wants to take the rest of
the world with him in WW3.

Sylvia.

 

[server]

On Mon, 28 Feb 2022 14:59:14 +1100, Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid>
wrote:

On 28-Feb-22 4:21 am, Fred Bloggs wrote:
If true, this makes for an extremely dangerous circumstance. The last thing anyone needs is to have an enormous number of hair trigger nuclear weapons on \"high\" alert.
Even a fraction of a full scale exchange will end western civilization as we know it for a long time to come.

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-kyiv-business-europe-moscow-2e4e1cf784f22b6afbe5a2f936725550


The delusional maniac knows there\'s risk that he\'ll deposed, and then
either imprisoned for life, or executed, so he wants to take the rest of
the world with him in WW3.

Sylvia.

I spent some time in the USSR. The Russians are basically nice people,
but they fear and respect authority too much; well, the fear is
justified.

So Russians tend to have a tight circle of friends and family that
they think they can trust. Centuries of brutality does that.





--

I yam what I yam - Popeye

 

[Rick C]

On Sunday, February 27, 2022 at 10:59:27 PM UTC-5, Sylvia Else wrote:

On 28-Feb-22 4:21 am, Fred Bloggs wrote:
If true, this makes for an extremely dangerous circumstance. The last thing anyone needs is to have an enormous number of hair trigger nuclear weapons on \"high\" alert.
Even a fraction of a full scale exchange will end western civilization as we know it for a long time to come.

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-kyiv-business-europe-moscow-2e4e1cf784f22b6afbe5a2f936725550

The delusional maniac knows there\'s risk that he\'ll deposed, and then
either imprisoned for life, or executed, so he wants to take the rest of
the world with him in WW3.

Sorry, exactly which delusional maniac are you referring to?

With the language people use to discuss politics in this group, it\'s hard to say.

--

Rick C.

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[Rick C]

On Sunday, February 27, 2022 at 11:34:51 PM UTC-5, Don Y wrote:

On 2/27/2022 8:59 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 28-Feb-22 4:21 am, Fred Bloggs wrote:
If true, this makes for an extremely dangerous circumstance. The last thing
anyone needs is to have an enormous number of hair trigger nuclear weapons
on \"high\" alert.
Even a fraction of a full scale exchange will end western civilization as we
know it for a long time to come.

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-kyiv-business-europe-moscow-2e4e1cf784f22b6afbe5a2f936725550

The delusional maniac knows there\'s risk that he\'ll deposed, and then either
imprisoned for life, or executed, so he wants to take the rest of the world
with him in WW3.
I suspect he knows all to well how folks \"disappear\" in Russian society,
having played that card, before.

He likely hopes/hoped this would be an \"overnight success\" and the
world would have to \"live with it\". The longer it drags on, the
more likely The Adults will displace him in the international dialog.
He\'ll be cited as suffering from some illness that keeps him out
of the limelight -- until people realize he\'s also out of the *light*!

Unfortunately, it doesn\'t look like he\'s left himself an \"out\" where
he doesn\'t look like The Loser. And, the stakes are too high for the
rest of the world to let him win just to diffuse the situation.

Of course Putin is going to win. No one else is going to actually involve their own troops to fight on behalf of the Ukranians. Various countries will send arms and supplies and take various political actions, but nothing more. This literally could develop into WWIII if they did.

So, even if it drags out a bit, it won\'t be long before Ukraine is in Russian control. You can expect the surrounding countries like Poland to beef up their militaries and expect support from other European countries, just as the various counties controlled by Russia will band together. Reminds me of something... I can\'t quite place my finger on it.

--

Rick C.

+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
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[Sylvia Else]

On 28-Feb-22 5:04 pm, Rick C wrote:

On Sunday, February 27, 2022 at 10:59:27 PM UTC-5, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 28-Feb-22 4:21 am, Fred Bloggs wrote:
If true, this makes for an extremely dangerous circumstance. The last thing anyone needs is to have an enormous number of hair trigger nuclear weapons on \"high\" alert.
Even a fraction of a full scale exchange will end western civilization as we know it for a long time to come.

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-kyiv-business-europe-moscow-2e4e1cf784f22b6afbe5a2f936725550

The delusional maniac knows there\'s risk that he\'ll deposed, and then
either imprisoned for life, or executed, so he wants to take the rest of
the world with him in WW3.

Sorry, exactly which delusional maniac are you referring to?

With the language people use to discuss politics in this group, it\'s hard to say.

Putin.

There was never the remotest possibility that NATO would invade Russia.

Sylvia.