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All of them. But they won't stick."Pelican" <water-birds@sea.somewhere.org.ir> wrote in message
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They are sending me a new model Nokia free of charge.
** So you cheated them.
Like the arsehole you are.
Not an arsehole, just defending my legal rights.
** Really ?????
With lies and intimidation as your weapons.
Bet you wouldn't say that about your lawyer when he defends you against
a trumped up charge.
It wouldn't be a trumped up charge.
What is the likely charge in his case?
And how is the government's failure to properly resource the customsOn 15/05/12 09:20, John-Melb wrote:
And what was the increase in illegally smuggled guns?
===============================> > Customs must tackle 'failings' on firearms
Bullshit, who works for nothing here?
If the government will not give customs the staff and equipment to scann
all loads, then there is a real chance that guns are slipping through.
I cannot understand why you've posted this here then, you'veSo the 640 guns stolen in NSW last year is all the gummint's fault then?
Obviously illegal guns mainly come from 2 sources, theft of legal
firearms and illegal import. One you can lay at the governments door,
the other the legal owners. We have a good idea how many are stolen, but
can have no idea how many are smuggled so we have no idea of the
proportion of each. All we can say is if some gun owners had taken
better care of their property then there would be several hundred less
guns in the hands of criminals in NSW.
Last night on the local news they showed security footage of an armed
holdup at a local Maccas. The thugs were armed with sawn off rifles,
what do you reckon the origin of those was, stolen or smuggled?
Lax security by legal gun owners is definitely not the whole problem,
but it is part of the problem.
And what was the increase in illegally smuggled guns?
===============================> Customs must tackle 'failings' on firearms
BY: AMOS AIKMAN From: The Australian May 14, 2012 12:00AM
THE Customs and Border Protection Service must urgently address the
fundamental weaknesses that allowed illegal weapons to enter Australia
undetected before other agencies will share intelligence and co-
operate on a national firearms policing strategy.
This comment by NSW Police Minister Mike Gallacher followed warnings
by NSW Police Commissioner Andrew Scipione that illegally imported
firearms are a national security threat.
Mr Gallacher is set to join federal Home Affairs Minister Jason Clare
on a nationwide tour to drum up support for a national ballistics
register ahead of a police ministers' conference next month.
Opposition immigration spokesman Scott Morrison, in whose south Sydney
electorate of Cook a major illegal weapons importation racket was
recently detected, said the Customs and Border Protection Service was
failing, and accused the federal government of being in denial.
Mr Scipione told The Australian at the weekend three recent operations
involving large quantities of illegally imported firearms could
represent the tip of the iceberg, and said a new national approach was
urgently needed.
Mr Gallacher welcomed the call for a new approach, but said Customs
must first recognise it had a problem and put forward appropriate
solutions.
"Otherwise I think you're going to see a reluctance from policing
agencies to reveal their intelligence to another agency if they don't
believe serious steps are being taken to address the fundamental
weakness in the first place," Mr Gallacher said.
Mr Morrison said the Customs service and the federal government did
not appear to be taking the problem seriously. "Customs didn't know
they were on fire on this issue until the NSW police turned up with a
hose," he said.
"What's happening in Queensland? What's happening in Western
Australia? What's happening in Victoria? We don't know."
Mr Morrison criticised Mr Clare for failing to launch an inquiry after
a NSW police operation revealed 220 new Glock pistols were illegally
imported via a post office in his electorate.
Police say weapons from that shipment are implicated in a spate of
recent shootings in southwest Sydney. Only two of the guns have been
recovered so far.
Mr Clare, whose electorate of Blaxland is in western Sydney, the scene
of much of the violence, said data from the Australian Crime
Commission showed the majority of illegal guns in circulation were
from domestic sources, such as theft, rather than from overseas.
Mr Scipione said there was a crucial knowledge gap on the scale of the
illegal imports problem.
"I don't think there's a good enough estimate of how many guns are
actually in Australia, how many guns are coming into Australia in the
hands of criminals," the Commissioner said.
Responding to figures that showed at least four times as many handguns
were detected being illegally imported as were reported stolen last
year, Mr Scipione said: "If we've got a problem (with domestic gun
theft) then we've got an enormous problem with guns that are
circumnavigating our border controls."
A spokesman for the Australian Customs and Border Protection Service
declined an invitation to respond to the criticisms raised in this
article
Seconded !!On May 15, 9:20 am, John-Melb<mcnamara_j...@hotmail.com> wrote:
And what was the increase in illegally smuggled guns?
================================
Customs must tackle 'failings' on firearms
BY: AMOS AIKMAN From: The Australian May 14, 2012 12:00AM
THE Customs and Border Protection Service must urgently address the
fundamental weaknesses that allowed illegal weapons to enter Australia
undetected before other agencies will share intelligence and co-
operate on a national firearms policing strategy.
This comment by NSW Police Minister Mike Gallacher followed warnings
by NSW Police Commissioner Andrew Scipione that illegally imported
firearms are a national security threat.
Mr Gallacher is set to join federal Home Affairs Minister Jason Clare
on a nationwide tour to drum up support for a national ballistics
register ahead of a police ministers' conference next month.
Opposition immigration spokesman Scott Morrison, in whose south Sydney
electorate of Cook a major illegal weapons importation racket was
recently detected, said the Customs and Border Protection Service was
failing, and accused the federal government of being in denial.
Mr Scipione told The Australian at the weekend three recent operations
involving large quantities of illegally imported firearms could
represent the tip of the iceberg, and said a new national approach was
urgently needed.
Mr Gallacher welcomed the call for a new approach, but said Customs
must first recognise it had a problem and put forward appropriate
solutions.
"Otherwise I think you're going to see a reluctance from policing
agencies to reveal their intelligence to another agency if they don't
believe serious steps are being taken to address the fundamental
weakness in the first place," Mr Gallacher said.
Mr Morrison said the Customs service and the federal government did
not appear to be taking the problem seriously. "Customs didn't know
they were on fire on this issue until the NSW police turned up with a
hose," he said.
"What's happening in Queensland? What's happening in Western
Australia? What's happening in Victoria? We don't know."
Mr Morrison criticised Mr Clare for failing to launch an inquiry after
a NSW police operation revealed 220 new Glock pistols were illegally
imported via a post office in his electorate.
Police say weapons from that shipment are implicated in a spate of
recent shootings in southwest Sydney. Only two of the guns have been
recovered so far.
Mr Clare, whose electorate of Blaxland is in western Sydney, the scene
of much of the violence, said data from the Australian Crime
Commission showed the majority of illegal guns in circulation were
from domestic sources, such as theft, rather than from overseas.
Mr Scipione said there was a crucial knowledge gap on the scale of the
illegal imports problem.
"I don't think there's a good enough estimate of how many guns are
actually in Australia, how many guns are coming into Australia in the
hands of criminals," the Commissioner said.
Responding to figures that showed at least four times as many handguns
were detected being illegally imported as were reported stolen last
year, Mr Scipione said: "If we've got a problem (with domestic gun
theft) then we've got an enormous problem with guns that are
circumnavigating our border controls."
A spokesman for the Australian Customs and Border Protection Service
declined an invitation to respond to the criticisms raised in this
article
Let the general public have them too, give training and give them the
ironclad right to self defense,
defense of their property and other people, and the problem will
disappear as if by magic
Thanks for your opinion, how's your "long standing and highlyOn 15/05/2012 2:43 PM, John-Melb wrote:
On May 15, 2:21 pm, keithr<kei...@nowhere.com.au> wrote:
So the 640 guns stolen in NSW last year is all the gummint's fault then?
Obviously illegal guns mainly come from 2 sources, theft of legal
firearms and illegal import. One you can lay at the governments door,
the other the legal owners. We have a good idea how many are stolen, but
can have no idea how many are smuggled so we have no idea of the
proportion of each. All we can say is if some gun owners had taken
better care of their property then there would be several hundred less
guns in the hands of criminals in NSW.
Last night on the local news they showed security footage of an armed
holdup at a local Maccas. The thugs were armed with sawn off rifles,
what do you reckon the origin of those was, stolen or smuggled?
Lax security by legal gun owners is definitely not the whole problem,
but it is part of the problem.
I cannot understand why you've posted this here then, you've
previously admitted you only post to aus.politics.guns to "annoy the
crap" out of me,
You have seriously needed having the crap annoyed out of you. Your cross
posting has done zip for your cause, and these days whenever anybody
sees one of your cross posts, they just delete it without bothering to
read it.
I prefer Trevor's fictional friends, including the one who can STOPand my safekeeping requirements exceed the legislation?
If you exceed the requirements, good for you.
Perhaps you're advocating (as does Gun Control Australia) central
repositories for privately owned firearms?
Nope just advocating that gun owners in general, take the custody of
their weapons seriously, and obviously some don't. If more were like a
friend of mine in Queensland who has his guns in a safe that wouldn't be
out of place in a bank then there would be significantly less guns in
criminal hands.
Why are you cross posting this to aus.electronics?And what was the increase in illegally smuggled guns?
Yes John, unfortunately we have discovered that.On May 15, 9:28 pm, Jasen Betts<ja...@xnet.co.nz> wrote:
On 2012-05-14, John-Melb<mcnamara_j...@hotmail.com> wrote:
And what was the increase in illegally smuggled guns?
Why are you cross posting this to aus.electronics?
Because keefy only posts to aus.politics.guns to "annoy the crap" out
of me.
Because aus.electronics has been used by an anti-gun zealot to launch
anti-gun and anti-gun owner tirades.
Because this anti-gun zealot is one of your "long standing and highly
respected" posters.
Because if you lay down with dogs, you get up with fleas.
Because arseholes do things like that, and keefy has told me so many
times that I'm an arsehole, I've started believing him.
Because I can.
--
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And what was the increase in illegally smuggled guns?
===============================> Customs must tackle 'failings' on firearms
BY: AMOS AIKMAN From: The Australian May 14, 2012 12:00AM
THE Customs and Border Protection Service must urgently address the
fundamental weaknesses that allowed illegal weapons to enter Australia
undetected before other agencies will share intelligence and co-
operate on a national firearms policing strategy.
This comment by NSW Police Minister Mike Gallacher followed warnings
by NSW Police Commissioner Andrew Scipione that illegally imported
firearms are a national security threat.
Mr Gallacher is set to join federal Home Affairs Minister Jason Clare
on a nationwide tour to drum up support for a national ballistics
register ahead of a police ministers' conference next month.
Opposition immigration spokesman Scott Morrison, in whose south Sydney
electorate of Cook a major illegal weapons importation racket was
recently detected, said the Customs and Border Protection Service was
failing, and accused the federal government of being in denial.
Mr Scipione told The Australian at the weekend three recent operations
involving large quantities of illegally imported firearms could
represent the tip of the iceberg, and said a new national approach was
urgently needed.
Mr Gallacher welcomed the call for a new approach, but said Customs
must first recognise it had a problem and put forward appropriate
solutions.
"Otherwise I think you're going to see a reluctance from policing
agencies to reveal their intelligence to another agency if they don't
believe serious steps are being taken to address the fundamental
weakness in the first place," Mr Gallacher said.
Mr Morrison said the Customs service and the federal government did
not appear to be taking the problem seriously. "Customs didn't know
they were on fire on this issue until the NSW police turned up with a
hose," he said.
"What's happening in Queensland? What's happening in Western
Australia? What's happening in Victoria? We don't know."
Mr Morrison criticised Mr Clare for failing to launch an inquiry after
a NSW police operation revealed 220 new Glock pistols were illegally
imported via a post office in his electorate.
Police say weapons from that shipment are implicated in a spate of
recent shootings in southwest Sydney. Only two of the guns have been
recovered so far.
Mr Clare, whose electorate of Blaxland is in western Sydney, the scene
of much of the violence, said data from the Australian Crime
Commission showed the majority of illegal guns in circulation were
from domestic sources, such as theft, rather than from overseas.
Mr Scipione said there was a crucial knowledge gap on the scale of the
illegal imports problem.
"I don't think there's a good enough estimate of how many guns are
actually in Australia, how many guns are coming into Australia in the
hands of criminals," the Commissioner said.
Responding to figures that showed at least four times as many handguns
were detected being illegally imported as were reported stolen last
year, Mr Scipione said: "If we've got a problem (with domestic gun
theft) then we've got an enormous problem with guns that are
circumnavigating our border controls."
A spokesman for the Australian Customs and Border Protection Service
declined an invitation to respond to the criticisms raised in this
article
Because keefy only posts to aus.politics.guns to "annoy the crap" outOn 2012-05-14, John-Melb <mcnamara_j...@hotmail.com> wrote:
And what was the increase in illegally smuggled guns?
Why are you cross posting this to aus.electronics?
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I don't believe that for a minuteOn 15/05/2012 10:10 PM, John-Melb wrote:
On May 15, 9:28 pm, Jasen Betts<ja...@xnet.co.nz> Â wrote:
On 2012-05-14, John-Melb<mcnamara_j...@hotmail.com> Â wrote:
And what was the increase in illegally smuggled guns?
Why are you cross posting this to aus.electronics?
Because keefy only posts to aus.politics.guns to "annoy the crap" out
of me.
Because aus.electronics has been used by an anti-gun zealot to launch
anti-gun and anti-gun owner tirades.
Because this anti-gun zealot is one of your "long standing and highly
respected" posters.
Because if you lay down with dogs, you get up with fleas.
Yes John, unfortunately we have discovered that.
Because arseholes do things like that, and keefy has told me so many
times that I'm an arsehole, I've started believing him.
Because I can.
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concepts such as freedom of speech should apply to people like me."Jasen Betts" <ja...@xnet.co.nz> wrote in message
news:jotelj$jap$2@reversiblemaps.ath.cx...
On 2012-05-14, John-Melb <mcnamara_j...@hotmail.com> wrote:
And what was the increase in illegally smuggled guns?
Why are you cross posting this to aus.electronics?
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Because they're knobs?
Because there's people posting on aus.electronics who don't believe
Godwin's law, Ha Ha I win!On 16/05/2012 9:08 AM, John-Melb wrote:
On May 15, 10:16 pm, keithr<kei...@nowhere.com.au> wrote:
On 15/05/2012 10:10 PM, John-Melb wrote:
On May 15, 9:28 pm, Jasen Betts<ja...@xnet.co.nz> wrote:
On 2012-05-14, John-Melb<mcnamara_j...@hotmail.com> wrote:
And what was the increase in illegally smuggled guns?
Why are you cross posting this to aus.electronics?
Because keefy only posts to aus.politics.guns to "annoy the crap" out
of me.
Because aus.electronics has been used by an anti-gun zealot to launch
anti-gun and anti-gun owner tirades.
Because this anti-gun zealot is one of your "long standing and highly
respected" posters.
Because if you lay down with dogs, you get up with fleas.
Yes John, unfortunately we have discovered that.
I don't believe that for a minute
Your belief is not required, nor even desired.
Because arseholes do things like that, and keefy has told me so many
times that I'm an arsehole, I've started believing him.
Because I can.
A typical Nazi attitude.
Colin was a bit vague on AEM (Australian Electronics Monthly), though.
AEM was started by Roger Harrison and David Tilbrook as a result
of the bullshit that was going on at Federal Publishing Co. at the time.
Colin was a bit vague on AEM (Australian Electronics Monthly), though.
AEM was started by Roger Harrison and David Tilbrook as a result
of the bullshit that was going on at Federal Publishing Co. at the time..
** AFAIK - Tilbrook parted company with Harrison and ETI prior to AEM
commencing.
I do not recall seeing Tilbrook's name in the editorial or owners credits..
The first issue of AEM was in July of 1985.
.... Phil
Close, but not quite the full story."Yaputya"
Colin was a bit vague on AEM (Australian Electronics Monthly), though.
AEM was started by Roger Harrison and David Tilbrook as a result
of the bullshit that was going on at Federal Publishing Co. at the time.
** AFAIK - Tilbrook parted company with Harrison and ETI prior to AEM commencing.
In AEM, Roger was listed as Editor and David was Project Engineer.I do not recall seeing Tilbrook's name in the editorial or owners credits.
The first issue of AEM was in July of 1985.
.... Phil
** Really ?"Phil Allison"
Colin was a bit vague on AEM (Australian Electronics Monthly), though.
AEM was started by Roger Harrison and David Tilbrook as a result
of the bullshit that was going on at Federal Publishing Co. at the time.
** AFAIK - Tilbrook parted company with Harrison and ETI prior to AEM
commencing.
Close, but not quite the full story.
I knew Roger and David in those days, they had plans for AEM before either
of them left ETI.
** Hmmmmmm...........Tilbrook used to be listed as ETI Technical Editor, his title seemed to
change to Associate
sometime in late 1983.
** Project engineer = employee or regular contributor.I do not recall seeing Tilbrook's name in the editorial or owners
credits.
In AEM, Roger was listed as Editor and David was Project Engineer.
** Did Kedhorn belong to Donald Duck?There were no 'owner credits' as such - the Publisher was Kedhorn Holdings
P/L.
** Really ?However the magazine was definitely started by both Roger and David and
they both put
up money to kick it off.
A few years later they had a falling out and David left.
Not only a Nazi arsehole but delusional too.