PRC as a amplifier in GPS question.

[Jeßus]

On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 15:33:11 -0700 (PDT), John-Melb
<mcnamara_john@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Mar 19, 9:19 am, Jeßus <n...@all.invalid> wrote:
On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 14:51:14 -0700 (PDT), John - Melb
mcnamara_j...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Mar 19, 8:44 am, Trevor Wilson <tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au
wrote:
On 3/19/2012 8:35 AM, John-Melb wrote:

On Mar 19, 7:36 am, Trevor Wilson<tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au
wrote:
On 3/18/2012 10:12 PM, keithr wrote:

On 18/03/2012 8:05 PM, John-Melb wrote:
On Mar 18, 7:58 pm, keithr<ke...@nowhere.com.au>  wrote:
On 18/03/2012 6:29 PM, John-Melb wrote:

On Mar 14, 10:24 pm, keithr<ke...@nowhere.com.au>  wrote:

Well lets see, it is believed that he has killed two women, and has
shot
a cop, not dangerous at all. It ain't a rusty old .22 either a good
condition semi auto that a legal and responsible gun owner obviously
didn't do an exceptional job of protecting.

Oh Look, Keefy's been around again, and I thought you only posted here
to "annoy the crap" out of me. I haven't been around for weeks, but
Keefy's still been around voicing his anti-gun and anti-gun owner
mantra.

Oh Look, princess john the cross posting arsehole been around again,
giving honest gun owners a bad name yet again.

You still don't have a problem with Trevor Tosspot posting his anti-
gun and anti-gun owner bile on places like aus.electronics, well
you're nothing if not consistant.

You really are a twisted little man aren't you? Bent on taking revenge
on every sleight that you have ever had.

All that you do is to strengthen wilson's case by giving the worst
possible image of gun owners.

**Let's be VERY clear. Many (most?) gun owners are responsible,
sensible, law-abiding people, who are happy to comply with the sane,
coherent gun control laws in Australia. SOME gun owners are fuckwits.
John McNamara appears to be one of these fuckwits. I do not judge all
gun owners by John's stupidity. Nor do I judge gun owners by the
stupidity regularly placed in this group by Chris Diesel. I don't judge
all gun owners by the gun loon's representative, Borsak, either.
However, until gun owners begin to criticise Borsak's evil and deranged
mind, there will be issues separating gun onwers from the rest of us.

The "rest of us", which "us" would that be Trevor, you, Keefy and some
mates over at aus.electronics?

**Gun owners, in Australia, are a minority group. Like it or not, vocal
fuckwits, like you, Chris Diesel and Borsak will colour the perception
that the majority holds. For myself, I number several gun owners as
friends and acquaintances, so I am aware that people like you, Chris and
Borsak are probably abberrations.

Including your friend who can STOP his heart?

The perceptions of guns and gun owners at aus.electronics were well
and truly made up long before I posted anything there, you'll recall
they didn't have a problem with you posting your anti-gun and anti-
gunowner word vomit there, but got very upset when alternative
viewpoint appeared.

The sooner you fuck off and die, the better.

Or go and get some councilling, maybe you'll wake up to the stupidity
of this stupid campaign of yours. I'd almost swear you were an
anti-gun nut in disguise, trying to discredit legitimate and
responsible gun owners.

So you're denying that no-one had a problem with Trevor's opinion on
guns and gun owners appearing on aus.electronics, but a number of you
got very upset when alternative viewpoint started appearing?

Tell me JeBus, have you ever told an anti-gun zealot posting anti-gun
and anti-gunowner bile on aus.electronics to "fuck off and die"? Have
you even ever politely challenged such a person and told them their
material was off topic?

Yes.

I think we both know the answer to those questions.

No, you don't. Obviously.

I'm sorry if I've offended you Jebus, but Keefy waded into
aus.politics.guns defending your "long standing and highly respected"
poster having the right to launch his anti-gun and anti-gunowner
diatribes on aus.electronics without challenge or question, and has
since admitted he only continues to post here to "annoy the crap" out
of me. Karma's a bitch, ain't it?

Thanks for confirming my point about you. The fact that it went
straight over your head says it all. You're about to be only the third
person in my 15-odd years on Usenet that made it to my killfile. Bye.

 

[John - Melb]

On Mar 19, 8:44 am, Trevor Wilson <tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au>
wrote:

On 3/19/2012 8:35 AM, John-Melb wrote:









On Mar 19, 7:36 am, Trevor Wilson<tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au
wrote:
On 3/18/2012 10:12 PM, keithr wrote:

On 18/03/2012 8:05 PM, John-Melb wrote:
On Mar 18, 7:58 pm, keithr<ke...@nowhere.com.au>  wrote:
On 18/03/2012 6:29 PM, John-Melb wrote:

On Mar 14, 10:24 pm, keithr<ke...@nowhere.com.au>  wrote:

Well lets see, it is believed that he has killed two women, and has
shot
a cop, not dangerous at all. It ain't a rusty old .22 either a good
condition semi auto that a legal and responsible gun owner obviously
didn't do an exceptional job of protecting.

Oh Look, Keefy's been around again, and I thought you only posted here
to "annoy the crap" out of me. I haven't been around for weeks, but
Keefy's still been around voicing his anti-gun and anti-gun owner
mantra.

Oh Look, princess john the cross posting arsehole been around again,
giving honest gun owners a bad name yet again.

You still don't have a problem with Trevor Tosspot posting his anti-
gun and anti-gun owner bile on places like aus.electronics, well
you're nothing if not consistant.

You really are a twisted little man aren't you? Bent on taking revenge
on every sleight that you have ever had.

All that you do is to strengthen wilson's case by giving the worst
possible image of gun owners.

**Let's be VERY clear. Many (most?) gun owners are responsible,
sensible, law-abiding people, who are happy to comply with the sane,
coherent gun control laws in Australia. SOME gun owners are fuckwits.
John McNamara appears to be one of these fuckwits. I do not judge all
gun owners by John's stupidity. Nor do I judge gun owners by the
stupidity regularly placed in this group by Chris Diesel. I don't judge
all gun owners by the gun loon's representative, Borsak, either.
However, until gun owners begin to criticise Borsak's evil and deranged
mind, there will be issues separating gun onwers from the rest of us.

The "rest of us", which "us" would that be Trevor, you, Keefy and some
mates over at aus.electronics?

**Gun owners, in Australia, are a minority group. Like it or not, vocal
fuckwits, like you, Chris Diesel and Borsak will colour the perception
that the majority holds. For myself, I number several gun owners as
friends and acquaintances, so I am aware that people like you, Chris and
Borsak are probably abberrations.

Including your friend who can STOP his heart?

The perceptions of guns and gun owners at aus.electronics were well
and truly made up long before I posted anything there, you'll recall
they didn't have a problem with you posting your anti-gun and anti-
gunowner word vomit there, but got very upset when alternative
viewpoint appeared.

Oh that's right, in the world of anti-gun zealots like Trevor Tosspot,
people who lawfully own guns for sporting or recreational purposes
aren't considered part of normal society.

**They're your words. I will remind you of those words in due course.

It's clearly your opinion, and I remind you of it at every
opportunity.

--
Trevor Wilsonwww.rageaudio.com.au

 

[Jeßus]

On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 15:39:20 -0700 (PDT), John-Melb
<mcnamara_john@hotmail.com> wrote:

Found this elsewhere, over to you Jebus (or Keefy)

=====================
On Sep 26 2009, 10:28 pm, John - Melb <mcnamara_j...@hotmail.com
wrote:
On Sep 25, 5:45 pm, keithr <ke...@nowhere.com.au> wrote:
Put it somewhere else trevor, otherwise you'll have your alter ego and
his little mates from APG swarming all over the place again.
Sorry Keefy, too late.
It's interesting to note that Keefy isn't concerned about Trevor's
anti-gun rants appearing onaus.electronics, he's concerned that an
alternative viewpoint may appear.
Doesn't surprise me in the least.

=========================
You will note that Keefy doesn't have a problem with totally off-
topic
anti-gun word vomit appearing on places like aus.electronics, except,
that it may result in alternative viewpoints also appearing.
Keefy (like Trevor Tosspot) claims not to know what the term "anti-
gun" means and claims he is not "anti-gun" or "anti-gun owner".
However, he doesn't believe that gun owners should have the same
rights to voice their opinion or voice those opinions in the same
places/formats as anti-gun zealots, he therefore views gun owners as
second class citizens with less rights than anti-gun zealots.

Sigh. So what? What does it matter? Do you *really* need to have
'equal time' or have the last word? Who cares? Nobody, except you.

You are simply discrediting/sabotaging your own cause, assuming you
really aren't an anti-gun nut.

Now to apply that filter...

 

[John-Melb]

On Mar 19, 9:19 am, Jeßus <n...@all.invalid> wrote:

On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 14:51:14 -0700 (PDT), John - Melb









mcnamara_j...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Mar 19, 8:44 am, Trevor Wilson <tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au
wrote:
On 3/19/2012 8:35 AM, John-Melb wrote:

On Mar 19, 7:36 am, Trevor Wilson<tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au
wrote:
On 3/18/2012 10:12 PM, keithr wrote:

On 18/03/2012 8:05 PM, John-Melb wrote:
On Mar 18, 7:58 pm, keithr<ke...@nowhere.com.au>  wrote:
On 18/03/2012 6:29 PM, John-Melb wrote:

On Mar 14, 10:24 pm, keithr<ke...@nowhere.com.au>  wrote:

Well lets see, it is believed that he has killed two women, and has
shot
a cop, not dangerous at all. It ain't a rusty old .22 either a good
condition semi auto that a legal and responsible gun owner obviously
didn't do an exceptional job of protecting.

Oh Look, Keefy's been around again, and I thought you only posted here
to "annoy the crap" out of me. I haven't been around for weeks, but
Keefy's still been around voicing his anti-gun and anti-gun owner
mantra.

Oh Look, princess john the cross posting arsehole been around again,
giving honest gun owners a bad name yet again.

You still don't have a problem with Trevor Tosspot posting his anti-
gun and anti-gun owner bile on places like aus.electronics, well
you're nothing if not consistant.

You really are a twisted little man aren't you? Bent on taking revenge
on every sleight that you have ever had.

All that you do is to strengthen wilson's case by giving the worst
possible image of gun owners.

**Let's be VERY clear. Many (most?) gun owners are responsible,
sensible, law-abiding people, who are happy to comply with the sane,
coherent gun control laws in Australia. SOME gun owners are fuckwits.
John McNamara appears to be one of these fuckwits. I do not judge all
gun owners by John's stupidity. Nor do I judge gun owners by the
stupidity regularly placed in this group by Chris Diesel. I don't judge
all gun owners by the gun loon's representative, Borsak, either.
However, until gun owners begin to criticise Borsak's evil and deranged
mind, there will be issues separating gun onwers from the rest of us.

The "rest of us", which "us" would that be Trevor, you, Keefy and some
mates over at aus.electronics?

**Gun owners, in Australia, are a minority group. Like it or not, vocal
fuckwits, like you, Chris Diesel and Borsak will colour the perception
that the majority holds. For myself, I number several gun owners as
friends and acquaintances, so I am aware that people like you, Chris and
Borsak are probably abberrations.

Including your friend who can STOP his heart?

The perceptions of guns and gun owners at aus.electronics were well
and truly made up long before I posted anything there, you'll recall
they didn't have a problem with you posting your anti-gun and anti-
gunowner word vomit there, but got very upset when alternative
viewpoint appeared.

The sooner you fuck off and die, the better.

Or go and get some councilling, maybe you'll wake up to the stupidity
of this stupid campaign of yours. I'd almost swear you were an
anti-gun nut in disguise, trying to discredit legitimate and
responsible gun owners.

So you're denying that no-one had a problem with Trevor's opinion on
guns and gun owners appearing on aus.electronics, but a number of you
got very upset when alternative viewpoint started appearing?

Tell me JeBus, have you ever told an anti-gun zealot posting anti-gun
and anti-gunowner bile on aus.electronics to "fuck off and die"? Have
you even ever politely challenged such a person and told them their
material was off topic?

I think we both know the answer to those questions.

I'm sorry if I've offended you Jebus, but Keefy waded into
aus.politics.guns defending your "long standing and highly respected"
poster having the right to launch his anti-gun and anti-gunowner
diatribes on aus.electronics without challenge or question, and has
since admitted he only continues to post here to "annoy the crap" out
of me. Karma's a bitch, ain't it?

 

[John-Melb]

Found this elsewhere, over to you Jebus (or Keefy)

=====================
On Sep 26 2009, 10:28 pm, John - Melb <mcnamara_j...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

On Sep 25, 5:45 pm, keithr <ke...@nowhere.com.au> wrote:
Put it somewhere else trevor, otherwise you'll have your alter ego and
his little mates from APG swarming all over the place again.
Sorry Keefy, too late.
It's interesting to note that Keefy isn't concerned about Trevor's
anti-gun rants appearing onaus.electronics, he's concerned that an
alternative viewpoint may appear.
Doesn't surprise me in the least.

=========================
You will note that Keefy doesn't have a problem with totally off-
topic
anti-gun word vomit appearing on places like aus.electronics, except,
that it may result in alternative viewpoints also appearing.
Keefy (like Trevor Tosspot) claims not to know what the term "anti-
gun" means and claims he is not "anti-gun" or "anti-gun owner".
However, he doesn't believe that gun owners should have the same
rights to voice their opinion or voice those opinions in the same
places/formats as anti-gun zealots, he therefore views gun owners as
second class citizens with less rights than anti-gun zealots.

 

[John-Melb]

On Mar 19, 9:56 am, Jeßus <n...@all.invalid> wrote:

On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 15:39:20 -0700 (PDT), John-Melb









mcnamara_j...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Found this elsewhere, over to you Jebus (or Keefy)

====================> >On Sep 26 2009, 10:28 pm, John - Melb <mcnamara_j...@hotmail.com
wrote:
On Sep 25, 5:45 pm, keithr <ke...@nowhere.com.au> wrote:
Put it somewhere else trevor, otherwise you'll have your alter ego and
his little mates from APG swarming all over the place again.
Sorry Keefy, too late.
It's interesting to note that Keefy isn't concerned about Trevor's
anti-gun rants appearing onaus.electronics, he's concerned that an
alternative viewpoint may appear.
Doesn't surprise me in the least.

========================> >You will note that Keefy doesn't have a problem with totally off-
topic
anti-gun word vomit appearing on places like aus.electronics, except,
that it may result in alternative viewpoints also appearing.
Keefy (like Trevor Tosspot) claims not to know what the term "anti-
gun" means and claims he is not "anti-gun" or "anti-gun owner".
However, he doesn't believe that gun owners should have the same
rights to voice their opinion or voice those opinions in the same
places/formats as anti-gun zealots, he therefore views gun owners as
second class citizens with less rights than anti-gun zealots.

Sigh. So what? What does it matter? Do you *really* need to have
'equal time' or have the last word? Who cares? Nobody, except you.

You are simply discrediting/sabotaging your own cause, assuming you
really aren't an anti-gun nut.

Now to apply that filter...

Wow, I've made it into another "happy place", the kill-file of some
anti-gun zealot.

 

[John-Melb]

On Mar 19, 9:56 am, Jeßus <n...@all.invalid> wrote:

On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 15:39:20 -0700 (PDT), John-Melb









mcnamara_j...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Found this elsewhere, over to you Jebus (or Keefy)

====================> >On Sep 26 2009, 10:28 pm, John - Melb <mcnamara_j...@hotmail.com
wrote:
On Sep 25, 5:45 pm, keithr <ke...@nowhere.com.au> wrote:
Put it somewhere else trevor, otherwise you'll have your alter ego and
his little mates from APG swarming all over the place again.
Sorry Keefy, too late.
It's interesting to note that Keefy isn't concerned about Trevor's
anti-gun rants appearing onaus.electronics, he's concerned that an
alternative viewpoint may appear.
Doesn't surprise me in the least.

========================> >You will note that Keefy doesn't have a problem with totally off-
topic
anti-gun word vomit appearing on places like aus.electronics, except,
that it may result in alternative viewpoints also appearing.
Keefy (like Trevor Tosspot) claims not to know what the term "anti-
gun" means and claims he is not "anti-gun" or "anti-gun owner".
However, he doesn't believe that gun owners should have the same
rights to voice their opinion or voice those opinions in the same
places/formats as anti-gun zealots, he therefore views gun owners as
second class citizens with less rights than anti-gun zealots.

Sigh. So what? What does it matter? Do you *really* need to have
'equal time' or have the last word? Who cares? Nobody, except you.

Yep, I care, I find it very funny that you have a problem with that.

You are simply discrediting/sabotaging your own cause, assuming you
really aren't an anti-gun nut.

Now to apply that filter...

 

[John-Melb]

On Mar 19, 12:27 pm, keithr <ke...@nowhere.com.au> wrote:

Not a strange concept at all, you are quite entitled to say what you
want, just not where you aren't welcome.

So you're implying that Trevor Tosspot's opinions are welcome on
aus.electronic. It seems we agree on something.

 

[John-Melb]

On Mar 19, 12:57 pm, Trevor Wilson <tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au>
wrote:

On 3/19/2012 10:09 AM, John-Melb wrote:









On Mar 19, 9:43 am, Trevor Wilson<tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au
wrote:
On 3/19/2012 9:39 AM, John-Melb wrote:

Found this elsewhere, over to you Jebus (or Keefy)

====================> >>> On Sep 26 2009, 10:28 pm, John - Melb<mcnamara_j...@hotmail.com
wrote:
On Sep 25, 5:45 pm, keithr<ke...@nowhere.com.au>    wrote:
Put it somewhere else trevor, otherwise you'll have your alter ego and
his little mates from APG swarming all over the place again.
Sorry Keefy, too late.
It's interesting to note that Keefy isn't concerned about Trevor's
anti-gun rants appearing onaus.electronics, he's concerned that an
alternative viewpoint may appear.
Doesn't surprise me in the least.

========================> >>> You will note that Keefy doesn't have a problem with totally off-
topic
anti-gun word vomit appearing on places like aus.electronics, except,
that it may result in alternative viewpoints also appearing.
Keefy (like Trevor Tosspot) claims not to know what the term "anti-
gun" means and claims he is not "anti-gun" or "anti-gun owner".
However, he doesn't believe that gun owners should have the same
rights to voice their opinion or voice those opinions in the same
places/formats as anti-gun zealots, he therefore views gun owners as
second class citizens with less rights than anti-gun zealots.

**Moron. I was VERY specific in my criticisms. I nominated you (John
McNamara, Chris Diesel and Robert Borsak as examples of seriously
deluded, deranged humans who happen to own guns. I did not label all gun
owners are troubled individuals.

And on aus.electronics, you labelled those posting on
talk.politics.guns as "psychopaths"

**So? SOME of them clearly are. Many are not. I've seen messages from
TPG posters demanding that people should be killed, just because they
hold a differing opinion. Such a stance demonstrates clear problems.

I've seen anti-gun zealots make the same demands. They not only
demanded the deaths of the gun owners, but their immediate family as
well.

I will say again:

<SNIP> Trevor Tosspot's chanting has been carefully and lovingly
snipped, sorry Trevor, you want to sing Kumbia you can do it over with
you anti-gun mates on aus.electronics

 

[John-Melb]

On Mar 19, 1:08 pm, keithr <ke...@nowhere.com.au> wrote:

On 19/03/2012 10:09 AM, John-Melb wrote:









On Mar 19, 9:56 am, Jeßus<n...@all.invalid>  wrote:
On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 15:39:20 -0700 (PDT), John-Melb

mcnamara_j...@hotmail.com>  wrote:
Found this elsewhere, over to you Jebus (or Keefy)

====================> >>> On Sep 26 2009, 10:28 pm, John - Melb<mcnamara_j...@hotmail.com
wrote:
On Sep 25, 5:45 pm, keithr<ke...@nowhere.com.au>  wrote:
Put it somewhere else trevor, otherwise you'll have your alter ego and
his little mates from APG swarming all over the place again.
Sorry Keefy, too late.
It's interesting to note that Keefy isn't concerned about Trevor's
anti-gun rants appearing onaus.electronics, he's concerned that an
alternative viewpoint may appear.
Doesn't surprise me in the least.

========================> >>> You will note that Keefy doesn't have a problem with totally off-
topic
anti-gun word vomit appearing on places like aus.electronics, except,
that it may result in alternative viewpoints also appearing.
Keefy (like Trevor Tosspot) claims not to know what the term "anti-
gun" means and claims he is not "anti-gun" or "anti-gun owner".
However, he doesn't believe that gun owners should have the same
rights to voice their opinion or voice those opinions in the same
places/formats as anti-gun zealots, he therefore views gun owners as
second class citizens with less rights than anti-gun zealots.

Sigh. So what? What does it matter? Do you *really* need to have
'equal time' or have the last word? Who cares? Nobody, except you.

You are simply discrediting/sabotaging your own cause, assuming you
really aren't an anti-gun nut.

Now to apply that filter...

Wow, I've made it into another "happy place", the kill-file of some
anti-gun zealot.

You really are stupid princess, trying to change things in your favour
involves winning people to your point of view, not pissing them off.

Calling anybody who doesn't subscribe completely to your own point of
view an "Anti-gun zealot" doesn't help either. Anybody with an IQ above
room temperature (in Celsius) would understand that.

And Keefy get's it wrong again, sorry Keefy, I only refer to anti-gun
zealots as anti-gun zealots.

Someone who believes law abiding gun owners don't have the same
freedom of speech as other anti-gun zealots is clearly an anti-gun
zealot himself.

 

[Trevor Wilson]

On 3/19/2012 1:23 PM, John-Melb wrote:

On Mar 19, 12:57 pm, Trevor Wilson<tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au
wrote:
On 3/19/2012 10:09 AM, John-Melb wrote:









On Mar 19, 9:43 am, Trevor Wilson<tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au
wrote:
On 3/19/2012 9:39 AM, John-Melb wrote:

Found this elsewhere, over to you Jebus (or Keefy)

=====================
On Sep 26 2009, 10:28 pm, John - Melb<mcnamara_j...@hotmail.com
wrote:
On Sep 25, 5:45 pm, keithr<ke...@nowhere.com.au> wrote:
Put it somewhere else trevor, otherwise you'll have your alter ego and
his little mates from APG swarming all over the place again.
Sorry Keefy, too late.
It's interesting to note that Keefy isn't concerned about Trevor's
anti-gun rants appearing onaus.electronics, he's concerned that an
alternative viewpoint may appear.
Doesn't surprise me in the least.

=========================
You will note that Keefy doesn't have a problem with totally off-
topic
anti-gun word vomit appearing on places like aus.electronics, except,
that it may result in alternative viewpoints also appearing.
Keefy (like Trevor Tosspot) claims not to know what the term "anti-
gun" means and claims he is not "anti-gun" or "anti-gun owner".
However, he doesn't believe that gun owners should have the same
rights to voice their opinion or voice those opinions in the same
places/formats as anti-gun zealots, he therefore views gun owners as
second class citizens with less rights than anti-gun zealots.

**Moron. I was VERY specific in my criticisms. I nominated you (John
McNamara, Chris Diesel and Robert Borsak as examples of seriously
deluded, deranged humans who happen to own guns. I did not label all gun
owners are troubled individuals.

And on aus.electronics, you labelled those posting on
talk.politics.guns as "psychopaths"

**So? SOME of them clearly are. Many are not. I've seen messages from
TPG posters demanding that people should be killed, just because they
hold a differing opinion. Such a stance demonstrates clear problems.

I've seen anti-gun zealots make the same demands.

**So? Such words indicate a very disturbed individual, be they a gun
owner or not. Fortunately, the person who allegedly made the claim you
suggest was not likely to be armed with a gun. That can only be regarded
as a good thing. I am far more concerned about people making death
threats, when they are armed.

They not only

demanded the deaths of the gun owners, but their immediate family as
well.

**And again: So what? One thing does not excuse the other. ANYONE who
makes threats of death against another human, just because they don't
share their opinions, is deranged.

I will say again:

SNIP> Trevor Tosspot's chanting has been carefully and lovingly
snipped, sorry Trevor, you want to sing Kumbia you can do it over with
you anti-gun mates on aus.electronics

**I have no idea WTF you're on about. Your delusion lies within your own
head.


--
Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[John-Melb]

On Mar 19, 12:57 pm, Trevor Wilson <tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au>
wrote:

**So? SOME of them clearly are. Many are not. I've seen messages from
TPG posters demanding that people should be killed, just because they
hold a differing opinion. Such a stance demonstrates clear problems.

----------------------------------------------------------------
""There is NO REASON for anyone to own a gun, EVER! Guns kill and
that's all they are good for. The kind of person who would own a gun
is not fit to live amongst civilised peoples. They are cowardly,
murdering, lying, [expletive]s who have never contributed anything to
society and every one of the [expletive] mother[expletive]
[expletive]-heads should be dragged out into the streets and executed
with their own
[expletive] guns along with their families!"
"Cardigan" AussieSeek 25/4/06

--------------------------------------------------------------

Er Trevor, you were saying?

 

[John-Melb]

On Mar 19, 1:38 pm, keithr <ke...@nowhere.com.au> wrote:

On 19/03/2012 1:16 PM, John-Melb wrote:> On Mar 19, 12:27 pm, keithr<ke....@nowhere.com.au>  wrote:

Not a strange concept at all, you are quite entitled to say what you
want, just not where you aren't welcome.

So you're implying that Trevor Tosspot's opinions are welcome on
aus.electronic. It seems we agree on something.

Nope his ravings on the subject aren't welcome, but, at least, he has
some reason for being there other that just to piss people off.

And what your reason for posting on aus.politics.guns? Oh, that's
right, the only reason you post here is to "annoy the crap" out of me.

Prior to me ever appearing there, had you ever told him that? Have you
ever told him that since I first posted there?

No, didn't think so.

 

[John-Melb]

On Mar 19, 1:54 pm, John-Melb <mcnamara_j...@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Mar 19, 1:41 pm, keithr <ke...@nowhere.com.au> wrote:









On 19/03/2012 1:26 PM, John-Melb wrote:

On Mar 19, 1:08 pm, keithr<ke...@nowhere.com.au>  wrote:
On 19/03/2012 10:09 AM, John-Melb wrote:

On Mar 19, 9:56 am, Je us<n...@all.invalid>    wrote:
On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 15:39:20 -0700 (PDT), John-Melb

mcnamara_j...@hotmail.com>    wrote:
Found this elsewhere, over to you Jebus (or Keefy)

====================> > >>>>> On Sep 26 2009, 10:28 pm, John - Melb<mcnamara_j...@hotmail.com
wrote:
On Sep 25, 5:45 pm, keithr<ke...@nowhere.com.au>    wrote:
Put it somewhere else trevor, otherwise you'll have your alter ego and
his little mates from APG swarming all over the place again.
Sorry Keefy, too late.
It's interesting to note that Keefy isn't concerned about Trevor's
anti-gun rants appearing onaus.electronics, he's concerned that an
alternative viewpoint may appear.
Doesn't surprise me in the least.

========================> > >>>>> You will note that Keefy doesn't have a problem with totally off-
topic
anti-gun word vomit appearing on places like aus.electronics, except,
that it may result in alternative viewpoints also appearing.
Keefy (like Trevor Tosspot) claims not to know what the term "anti-
gun" means and claims he is not "anti-gun" or "anti-gun owner".
However, he doesn't believe that gun owners should have the same
rights to voice their opinion or voice those opinions in the same
places/formats as anti-gun zealots, he therefore views gun owners as
second class citizens with less rights than anti-gun zealots.

Sigh. So what? What does it matter? Do you *really* need to have
'equal time' or have the last word? Who cares? Nobody, except you.

You are simply discrediting/sabotaging your own cause, assuming you
really aren't an anti-gun nut.

Now to apply that filter...

Wow, I've made it into another "happy place", the kill-file of some
anti-gun zealot.

You really are stupid princess, trying to change things in your favour
involves winning people to your point of view, not pissing them off.

Calling anybody who doesn't subscribe completely to your own point of
view an "Anti-gun zealot" doesn't help either. Anybody with an IQ above
room temperature (in Celsius) would understand that.

And Keefy get's it wrong again, sorry Keefy, I only refer to anti-gun
zealots as anti-gun zealots.

Look in the mirror princess, you are a pro-gun zealot who can't stand
anybody expressing an opinion that doesn't coincide completely with your
own.

The only one of your opinions I have a problem with is you belief that
I have less rights than an anti-gun zealot.

Someone who believes law abiding gun owners don't have the same
freedom of speech as other anti-gun zealots is clearly an anti-gun
zealot himself.

Having the freedom to express an opinion does not give the freedom to
express it where ever you like.

I have the freedom to express my opinion anywhere an anti-gun zealot
is free to express theirs. I'm not surprised you don't understand or
accept that.

 

[John-Melb]

On Mar 19, 1:54 pm, John-Melb <mcnamara_j...@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Mar 19, 1:43 pm, keithr <ke...@nowhere.com.au> wrote:









On 19/03/2012 1:23 PM, John-Melb wrote:

On Mar 19, 12:57 pm, Trevor Wilson<tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au
wrote:
On 3/19/2012 10:09 AM, John-Melb wrote:

On Mar 19, 9:43 am, Trevor Wilson<tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au
wrote:
On 3/19/2012 9:39 AM, John-Melb wrote:

Found this elsewhere, over to you Jebus (or Keefy)

====================> > >>>>> On Sep 26 2009, 10:28 pm, John - Melb<mcnamara_j...@hotmail.com
wrote:
On Sep 25, 5:45 pm, keithr<ke...@nowhere.com.au>      wrote:
Put it somewhere else trevor, otherwise you'll have your alter ego and
his little mates from APG swarming all over the place again.
Sorry Keefy, too late.
It's interesting to note that Keefy isn't concerned about Trevor's
anti-gun rants appearing onaus.electronics, he's concerned that an
alternative viewpoint may appear.
Doesn't surprise me in the least.

========================> > >>>>> You will note that Keefy doesn't have a problem with totally off-
topic
anti-gun word vomit appearing on places like aus.electronics, except,
that it may result in alternative viewpoints also appearing.
Keefy (like Trevor Tosspot) claims not to know what the term "anti-
gun" means and claims he is not "anti-gun" or "anti-gun owner".
However, he doesn't believe that gun owners should have the same
rights to voice their opinion or voice those opinions in the same
places/formats as anti-gun zealots, he therefore views gun owners as
second class citizens with less rights than anti-gun zealots.

**Moron. I was VERY specific in my criticisms. I nominated you (John
McNamara, Chris Diesel and Robert Borsak as examples of seriously
deluded, deranged humans who happen to own guns. I did not label all gun
owners are troubled individuals.

And on aus.electronics, you labelled those posting on
talk.politics.guns as "psychopaths"

**So? SOME of them clearly are. Many are not. I've seen messages from
TPG posters demanding that people should be killed, just because they
hold a differing opinion. Such a stance demonstrates clear problems.

I've seen anti-gun zealots make the same demands. They not only
demanded the deaths of the gun owners, but their immediate family as
well.

I will say again:

SNIP>  Trevor Tosspot's chanting has been carefully and lovingly
snipped, sorry Trevor, you want to sing Kumbia you can do it over with
you anti-gun mates on aus.electronics

What is a Kumbia and how do you sing it?

You'll find the words for it here

www.google.com

 

[Jasen Betts]

On 2012-03-18, John-Melb <mcnamara_john@hotmail.com> wrote:

So you're denying that no-one had a problem with Trevor's opinion on
guns and gun owners appearing on aus.electronics, but a number of you
got very upset when alternative viewpoint started appearing?

it's all off topic, whoever started crossposting this thread to
aus.electronics is the problem.

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[John-Melb]

On Mar 19, 4:23 pm, Jasen Betts <ja...@xnet.co.nz> wrote:

On 2012-03-18, John-Melb <mcnamara_j...@hotmail.com> wrote:

So you're denying that no-one had a problem with Trevor's opinion on
guns and gun owners appearing on aus.electronics, but a number of you
got very upset when alternative viewpoint started appearing?

it's all off topic, whoever started crossposting this thread to
aus.electronics is the problem.

Thanks for your input?

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[John-Melb]

On Mar 19, 4:10 pm, keithr <ke...@nowhere.com.au> wrote:

Nothing there about Kumbia, there are though words to Kumbaya, a well
known African folk song. Like I said in another post princess, you are
really good at being wrong.

You still here Keefy? I thought you'd know the correct spelling to
that song.

 

[keithr]

On 19/03/2012 7:00 PM, John-Melb wrote:

On Mar 19, 4:10 pm, keithr<ke...@nowhere.com.au> wrote:

Nothing there about Kumbia, there are though words to Kumbaya, a well
known African folk song. Like I said in another post princess, you are
really good at being wrong.

You still here Keefy? I thought you'd know the correct spelling to
that song.

I'm always here princess to point out your shortcomings. Like not being
able to spell your own insults.

 

[John-Melb]

On Mar 21, 9:13 pm, John-Melb <mcnamara_j...@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Mar 21, 8:10 am, Trevor Wilson <tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au
wrote:

**Bollocks. I don't support vicious dictators, like Mugabbe, nor do I
support the shooting of endangered animals, like African elephants.
Borsak does both. And, people like you are just as guilty, because you
support arseholes like Borsak.

Cite these 'double standard', you speak of.

--
Trevor Wilsonwww.rageaudio.com.au

We've had this discussion previously Trevor, and it was demonstrated
then that you're a total tosser who has no bloody idea what you're
waffling about.

Why is it, when it is demonstrated that what you're waffling is
bullshit, do you let it lie for a little while before making the same
irrelevant and totally foolish claims.

Doing so simply demonstrates that not are you completely ignorant
about what your waffling about, but are a complete fool as well.

OH well, I guess there's nothing quite as entertaining as a persistent
idiot.
--------------------------------------
Previously posted -
One of our resident antigun idiots had some rather strong things to
say about the involvement of a certain politician in the CAMPFIRES
Program.
Here is some information I received on the Program.
It's here to serve two purposes to tell people about the CAMPFIRES
Program, and to demonstrate how little Trevor Tosspot actually knows
about what he pontificates about.
=======================================>  “Conservation hunting; African-style”
Shooters and Fishers Party Chairman Robert Borsak, says there is a
lack of understanding in Australia, about the culling of rogue, crop
raiding elephants in Africa, under carefully managed Problem Animal
Control programs.
Mr Borsak, who is also a member of the NSW Parliament, said he was
disappointed at the "political" criticism of his safari trip several
years ago, in which he shot one of these problem elephants.
He posted an account of his trip on a hunting website nearly four
years ago, where it sat without comment or controversy until it was
pointed out to the mainstream metropolitan media, which then decided
to make it an issue.
Mr Borsak said there were some relevant facts that people should be
aware of before they criticised him.
"The first point to make is that elephants are not an endangered
species in southern Africa.
"There are about 100,000 in Zimbabwe alone, where they compete with
subsistence farmers, who survive on an annual income of less than
$100
a year.
"Zimbabwe is an impoverished country, about half the size of New
South
Wales, and most villagers rely on subsistence crops of maize, cotton,
melons, sorghum and in some cases, bananas. You can imagine what
damage a rogue or problem elephant can cause to these crops.
"Elephants also kill many rural Zimbabweans each year, and I have
personally seen the devastation caused by elephants and cape buffalo
to village huts and crops.
"They go into the crops, generally at night, and while the villagers
try to keep guard, and beat pots and pans in an effort to drive them
away, their efforts mostly fail, and indeed if they enrage the
animals, they are often trampled.
"Because of this problem, the authorities in Zimbabwe developed the
local Communal Areas Management Program for Indigenous Resources
(CAMPFIRES ) program.
"This program charges international hunters a fee to humanely shoot
the elephants destroying the crops, and then utilising the meat, and
hides of the beasts to fund local projects. Importantly, it should be
noted that hunters do not retain any tusks, hides or meat.
"This unique program helps supports schools, health clinics and
drought relief in the depressed rural provinces in Zimbabwe.
"CAMPFIRES is a perfect example of an indigenous program benefitting
grass roots work in these impoverished communities.
"A Biodiversity Conservation study found that between 1989 and 2006,
CAMPFIRE income, mostly from safari hunting, totalled nearly USD$30
million, of which 52 per cent was allocated specifically to the sub-
district wards and villages for community projects and household
benefits, and to compensate villagers for damage" he said.
Mr Borsak said The IUCN, renowned as the World Conservation Union is
clearly right to suggest that the "challenge facing conservation
organisations in Africa is to become self sufficient by developing
strategies where revenue raised from the sustainable use of rhinos
can
be used to offset their high conservation cost. Successful
conservation of Africa's wildlife cannot be separated from the lives
of its people".
Mr Borsak said the concept has also been supported by New Scientist
Magazine.
"Hunting can be a positive force they say because it provides an
economic motive for maintaining wildlife habitats. "Without hunting,
many of these would be converted to cattle pasture, and there would
be
a rapid loss of wildlife" says Peter Lindsey, a conservation
biologist
at the University of Zimbabwe in Harare."
And in the same edition in the Editorial:
"Sad it may be, but the balance of evidence is that trophy hunting
can
help conserve threatened species and their habitats, so for people
who
care about the fate of wildlife, the real question is not whether to
allow hunting, but how to manage it. Done properly, trophy hunting
can
provide a source of jobs and income, and thus give local communities
a
reason to protect wildlife and habitats that might other-wise be
sacrificed to rural villagers' need to put meat on the table."
Mr Borsak said he was fortunate enough to be able to spend a
significant amount of money to visit Zimbabwe to hunt, and was always
accompanied by a professional guide, who takes him from village to
village to track down the rogue animals causing problems.
"Another factor is that many of the hunts are in tsetse-fly areas,
where the locals cannot keep cattle, and therefore many do not get
protein in the form of meat. The local wildlife however, is immune to
the fly.
"The elephants culled are immediately utilised by the locals
communities, and hundreds of people benefit from the meat. Not only
is
it sound conservation, it is also a humanitarian initiative
"If one puts dollar figures to the immediate benefits to the local
people from these safaris, US$2,550 cash per elephant, goes directly
to the local village, plus the benefit of the elephant meat. The
local
outfitter benefits by nearly US$11,000 to employ up to a dozen local
villagers for each expedition.
"What disappoints me most is that many people have simply attacked me
without even seeking to determine what circumstances were involved in
the culling of a rogue elephant," he said.
"If I have anything to regret, it is perhaps the show of hubris on my
part when reporting the hunt. Hunting these animals is a dangerous
business, and perhaps I should have been more circumspect when I
described the hunt"
"I welcome any reasonable debate on this issue to point out that
rogue
elephants do pose a threat to the local communities and the money
does
not go to Robert Mugabe, but to the local communities most affected
by
the problems," he said.