PRC as a amplifier in GPS question.

[The real Andy]

"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Some silly little wanker desperately cowering behind
The dud Andy <ihatehifitrolls@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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just the puerile shit thats all it can ever manage.

So predictable...

 

On Fri, 8 Aug 2003 19:01:10 +1000, "Phil Allison"
<philallison@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

Only a half witted software geek would expect that to work.

Oh, you mean Rod?

 

[Glenn Pure]

"Brian Goldsmith" <brian.goldsmith@nospamecho1.com.au> wrote:

"Phil Allison" <philallison@optusnet.com.au> wrote



"Brian Goldsmith" <brian.goldsmith@nospamecho1.com.au> wrote in message
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By that I think he may mean a simple one component solution,


Not guilty,m'lud,twernt me!!!!!!
Brian Goldsmith.


.......... Phil




Thanks for all the posts. I am not looking for a precise 3 volt drop

so I liked the idea of putting two LM335 in series. This would also
double the sensitivity and give me 20 mV per degree C. However, I have
already done the sensor with a single LM335 in it.

I eventually used a quick solution from bits in my collection. I used
two LEDs with a voltage drop of around 1.8 volts each at the current
I'm using. Total drop of 3.6 volts.

Cheers
Glenn

 

[The real Andy]

<David Sauer> wrote in message
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On Fri, 8 Aug 2003 19:01:10 +1000, "Phil Allison"
philallison@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

Only a half witted software geek would expect that to work.

Oh, you mean Rod?

Chucke chuckle....At leat in the brisbane city store you can view the
computer screen. It is sunk into the desk and faces the roof. Both the
customer and staff can see it. From memory its not the same in the regional
stores.

 

KLR wrote:

Anyone know much about these things ?

Have had these implanted in both of my cats - according to sales blurb
I have seen in the past regarding such devices - animal implants
supposedly have a microprocessor, ram, rom and (obviously) radio
transmitter. (to me it sounds very much like a smart card with a
transmitter)

The vet wasn't of much help (i didnt expect him to know the tech
details) and his literature on the product was more along the lines of
its social benefits (ie: returning lost pets) and nothing on technical
details above the "dumb consumer" level. The unit implanted appeared
to be a small glass pellet slightly bigger than a grain of rice and
was injected at a fairly shallow depth in the cats back between the
shoulders.

Waving the hand held reader within about 3 inches or so of the implant
seemed sufficient to retrieve the data.

What I don't understand is why would a processor etc be necessary on
such a device ? Surely just transmitting a serial number on demand is
sufficient for this application ? Its not as though its a high
security thing etc either ?

Look up on the net for "Tiris". Texas Instruments manufacture it, amongst
a range of other RFID systems. It's unlikely that processors are used
as they consume too much power, and a method to control a serial datastream
without a processor isn't too difficult to design or implement. Some tags can be
read/write to an on-board eeprom, others are read only. The unique number
for the read-only chips is embedded on the chip at the foundry.

How are the things powered ? inductive powering by the reader via a
small coil inside ?

Yup. It doesn't need a battery.
--

Regards
David Milne

 

[Arpit]

Hi rod, I just googled my name in the groups thing, and I found a big
argument we had agggggges ago about halogen bulbs or something
JUst wanted to acknowledge you were right, and that with an elevated
electronics onowledge especially abouit the non ohmic nature of light
bulbs, I was just babbling

 

[KLR]

On Fri, 8 Aug 2003 21:32:24 +1000, "The real Andy"
<ihatehifitrolls@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

David Sauer> wrote in message
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On Fri, 8 Aug 2003 19:01:10 +1000, "Phil Allison"
philallison@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

Only a half witted software geek would expect that to work.

Oh, you mean Rod?

Chucke chuckle....At leat in the brisbane city store you can view the
computer screen. It is sunk into the desk and faces the roof. Both the
customer and staff can see it. From memory its not the same in the regional
stores.

its not

you have buckleys of seeing it in regional stores

 

[David Segall]

"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote:

"Mike Warren" <miwa@NOSPAMiprimus.com.au> wrote in message news:TCjYa.18570$bo1.11387@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
"Graham" <hurfy@alphalink.com.au> wrote in message
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how hard would it be to design something for the phone ( landline of
course) that, when it depicts that the callers number is blocked or
whatever, starts a recording saying that calls with blocked numbers
wont be answered...a very selective answring machine without the
message taking facilities.

A bit too much for a one off device. Especially when it is illegal to
connect non-approved equipment to phone lines in Australia.

Not if an approved modem is used.

It could be done in software however, if you were willing
to have a computer always on. Still wouldn't be trivial

Completely trivial in fact. Quite a bit of the commercial software will do it.
Well, not exactly trivial. If you intend to try the computer approach

start at http://www.ainslie.org.uk/callerid.htm. You will find links
to some commercial software and a discussion of the difficulties in
coding it yourself.

and you would need a caller ID compatible modem.

The bulk of them are.
No they are not! Although most modern modems accept the command to

enable Caller ID (usually AT#CID=1) they still will not recognize the
Australian tones and timing.

 

[Rod Speed]

"Daniel Franklin" <daniel@widrow.snrc.uow.edu.au> wrote in message news:slrnbj5v54.d43.daniel@widrow.snrc.uow.edu.au...

Franc Zabkar wrote:

Atmel, to name just one manufacturer, make an RF ID version of the
popular 24C08 serial EEPROM. This is used in Thinkpad laptops, for
example.

See http://www.atmel.com/products/RFID/

I have no idea whether these devices form the basis for pet
microchips, though.

I've always wanted to get one of these implanted in my arm... the ultimate
keyless entry system

Nothing to stop you getting one from the vet.

 

[Rod Speed]

Arpit <DONTSPAMMEF00Lneko4@dodo.com.au> wrote in
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Hi rod, I just googled my name in the groups thing, and I found a big
argument we had agggggges ago about halogen bulbs or something

Where you got done like a dinner, as always |-)

JUst wanted to acknowledge you were right, and that
with an elevated electronics onowledge especially abouit
the non ohmic nature of light bulbs, I was just babbling

That sort of confession is sposed to be good for the soul or sumfin.

I wouldnt know, I'm a heathen and only have a couple of soles |-)

 

[Rod Speed]

Some silly little wanker desperately cowering behind
The dud Andy <ihatehifitrolls@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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just the puerile shit thats all it can ever manage.

 

[KLR]

On Sat, 9 Aug 2003 09:24:56 +1000, "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com>
wrote:

"Daniel Franklin" <daniel@widrow.snrc.uow.edu.au> wrote in message news:slrnbj5v54.d43.daniel@widrow.snrc.uow.edu.au...
Franc Zabkar wrote:

Atmel, to name just one manufacturer, make an RF ID version of the
popular 24C08 serial EEPROM. This is used in Thinkpad laptops, for
example.

See http://www.atmel.com/products/RFID/

I have no idea whether these devices form the basis for pet
microchips, though.

I've always wanted to get one of these implanted in my arm... the ultimate
keyless entry system

Nothing to stop you getting one from the vet.

I think the size of the needle would put you off.

It would have to be about 4mm diameter

strangely it didnt worry either cat in the slightest.

 

[Arpit]

http://www.google.com.au/search?q=cacheCxPvq2D3QsJ:www.familyforumonline.com/magazine/articles/lost_and_found.htm+animal+microchip+needle+diameter&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
http://www.nettally.com/lchs/lost_and_found.html
Um, apparently, its one quarter the diameter of a toothpick.

Or so I thought, until I read what is probably a more reliable site :
http://www.networkusa.org/fingerprint/page5a/fp-chip-faq.html
WHich says its 2.2mm thick.
I think the reason it doesn't bother the cat, is that you are just
inserting it under the skin not shoving it into a blood vessel.

On Fri, 08 Aug 2003 23:55:21 GMT, KLR <kreed@bigpond.net.au> wrote:

On Sat, 9 Aug 2003 09:24:56 +1000, "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com
wrote:


"Daniel Franklin" <daniel@widrow.snrc.uow.edu.au> wrote in message news:slrnbj5v54.d43.daniel@widrow.snrc.uow.edu.au...
Franc Zabkar wrote:

Atmel, to name just one manufacturer, make an RF ID version of the
popular 24C08 serial EEPROM. This is used in Thinkpad laptops, for
example.

See http://www.atmel.com/products/RFID/

I have no idea whether these devices form the basis for pet
microchips, though.

I've always wanted to get one of these implanted in my arm... the ultimate
keyless entry system

Nothing to stop you getting one from the vet.

I think the size of the needle would put you off.
It would have to be about 4mm diameter

strangely it didnt worry either cat in the slightest.

 

[Rod Speed]

"AWS" <aws@nospam.net.au> wrote in message news:3f336ef1$0$95044$c30e37c6@lon-reader.news.telstra.net...

"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:bgudro$s8rml$1@ID-69072.news.uni-berlin.de...

AWS <aws@nospam.net.au> wrote in message
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Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote
Phil Allison <philallison@optusnet.com.au> wrote
Brian Goldsmith <brian.goldsmith@nospamecho1.com.au> wrote

The following has been received from DSE,comments?

"We have not produced a printed copy this year but
have instead produced a Catalogue on CD-Rom.

Dick Smith Electronics"

BIG mistake - they will lose a huge amount of sales.

Wanna bet ?

Fuck all buy from the printed catalog.

CRAP!

Yep, you've always been full of that.

Customers always use a cat to find products.!

Most dont, and most that do use a cat dont use a PRINTED catalog.

Not everyone wants to go online or look it up on a computer.

Yes, there will always be some that stupid.

What matters is whether what they buy from
DSE comes to anything like what it costs to
produce the PRINTED catalog, stupid.

Farnell do not produce regular 3 vol massive
catalogues for EVERY customer for no reason.

Pathetic, really.

Have fun explaining the great raft of operations
that dont bother with printed catalogs anymore.

There are a number of people who wont give too rats,
they shop on line, or they use the CD rom, but the Majority
of people read and check details out of a Cataloge.

Complete pack of lies with DSE and their PRINTED catalog.

Personally though I do think it is Great! As Iam
Jaycar dealer and its just another nail in thier Coffin..

Wanna bet ?

The absolute vast bulk of the sales by DSE aint
done to those who look up the PRINTED catalog first.


Your right, Cause they only buy TOYS from DSE.!!!

Wrong. As always.

 

[Rod Speed]

Some gutless dickhead desperately cowering behind
AWS <aws@nospam.net.au> wrote in message
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Your really are a DH!!

Even a gutless dickhead should be able to do better than that pathetic effort.

"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:bgunrd$sh0a0$1@ID-69072.news.uni-berlin.de...

Steve <niftydog@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Wanna bet ?

Fuck all buy from the printed catalog.

Wanna bet?!

Yep.

As a public servant, borrowing a lease car and making the trip out
to a shop just to peruse the shelves is a lesson in utter frustration.

Pity the PRINTED catalog aint the only way to avoid that.

We rely totally on catalogues and phone calls.

Typical completely unemployable shinybum.

Sadly, ringing DSE and asking a question
about electronics is ALSO a futile exercise.

Wrong. As always.

...not to say that DSE ever have what we need, but it's
a million times easier and quicker to pick up the catalogue
and flick through 5 or 10 pages, (with the whole range and
related products) than it is to fart around with a CD rom.

No wonder you're stuck in that pathetic sheltered workshop.

...and it doesn't help me at home with my G4!!!

Best do the decent thing and top yourself or sumfin.

Farnell do not produce regular 3 vol massive
catalogues for EVERY customer for no reason.

Pathetic, really.

Have fun explaining the great raft of operations
that dont bother with printed catalogs anymore.

READ; gullible people waste time searching
through poorly designed CD roms

Even a stupid unemployable shinybum should be able to work
out that the obvious fix for that is a well designed CD instead.

No wonder you're stuck in that pathetic sheltered workshop.

just to find that DSE don't stock what they need when
they should have had the option of picking up the printed
catalogue and finding the info in a minute or two.

You could even get real radical and use their web site.

If you werent a completely unemployable shinybum that is.

Dude, the Farnell CD rom has a multinational
corporation behind it... and IT STILL SUCKS!

Even a stupid shinybum should be able to grasp that just
because that particular CD is fucked says sweet fuck all
about whether its possible to do one much better.

Even a stupid shinybum should be able to grasp
that it must even be possible to have a CD thats
identical in every way to the printed catalog
except that its on the CD and not on paper.

No wonder you're stuck in that pathetic sheltered workshop.

What chance have DSE got of making
a user friendly CD rom catalogue?!?

Even a stupid shinybum should be able to
grasp that its more likely a small operation
can do it right, even if Farnell cant.

If it's anything like their website, I'll pass thanks!

They dont need your 'business', wanker.

The Jaycar site isn't any better, with that stupid "page has
expired" bullshit! NNNNNGGGHHHH! It's the only site I
know that uses that particularly annoying "feature" of IE.

Even a stupid shinybum should be able to grasp that if its the
only one that does that, it must be possible to do it much better.

Even a stupid shinybum should be able to grasp that if
most of the operations flogging computer stuff can do it
much better, no rocket science is required when flogging
the stuff that DSE flogs. If someone was ever stupid
enough to lend you a seeing eye dog and a white cane.

No wonder you're stuck in that pathetic sheltered workshop.

Arpit wrote;

Yep, Most people I know who shop there, when they
want something, go to the shop, and ask a salesperson.

BWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA!!!!

Even a stupid shinybum should be able to do better than that pathetic effort.

oh that's a good one... asking DSE staff for help....
ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!

See above.

 

[Rod Speed]

Mark Kelepouris <markkelepouris@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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I couldn't help it,

A jap would at least have the decency to disembowel itself,

I had to add a comment or two regarding
this somewhat endless slinging match.

Its a slanging match, you illiterate peasant.

We need both the Cat. and the CD these days,

Wrong. I'd rather they save the cost of the printed catalog.

they both have their advantages, thats all there is to it.

Wrong again.

To say either one is far better than the other is crap.

Wrong again.

The main reason to produce only a CD is, as we all know, to save costs.

What matters is if they get enough sales from the
PRINTED catalog to justify the substantial cost, stupid.

As a printer myself, I can assure you all that the costs involved
to produce an up to date Cat. is now more expensive than a CD.

Duh.

I'm sure that is the main reason for any company to decide to
go that way (apart from the keeping up with the Jones's crap)

You quite sure you aint one of those rocket scientist eejuts ?

But I will always enjoy the freedom of a Cat.....reading in the dunny,
bed, car, backyard and the other freedoms like tossing it over to a
mate in the room without subjecting him to 'the get out of the
comfy armchair and gork at the screen' punishment.

Your problem.

The Cat. will always be more convenient,

Wrong. As always. A properly organised
CD or web site is MUCH easier to search.

but it is an overall more bulky way to store things than a CD.
So a CD is great in many situations.
So once again 'both' are indeed still valid and a
decent thoughtful mob will provide 'both' in my opinion.

Only a fool cant manage to grasp that what matters
is whether they get enough sales from the printed
catalog to justify the substantial cost, stupid.

 

[Rod Speed]

"David Segall" <david@segall.net> wrote in message news:4pd7jvos15tohck2gk007iinru2msnkb88@4ax.com...

"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote:


"Mike Warren" <miwa@NOSPAMiprimus.com.au> wrote in message news:TCjYa.18570$bo1.11387@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
"Graham" <hurfy@alphalink.com.au> wrote in message
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how hard would it be to design something for the phone ( landline of
course) that, when it depicts that the callers number is blocked or
whatever, starts a recording saying that calls with blocked numbers
wont be answered...a very selective answring machine without the
message taking facilities.

A bit too much for a one off device. Especially when it is illegal to
connect non-approved equipment to phone lines in Australia.

Not if an approved modem is used.

It could be done in software however, if you were willing
to have a computer always on. Still wouldn't be trivial

Completely trivial in fact. Quite a bit of the commercial software will do it.

Well, not exactly trivial.

Completely trivial, just select from one of the available
software packages and install it and configure it.

Even you should be able to manage that.

If you intend to try the computer approach
start at http://www.ainslie.org.uk/callerid.htm.
You will find links to some commercial software and
a discussion of the difficulties in coding it yourself.

Its completely trivial to code yourself, if you're
stupid enough to want to do that, or need more
than the basic capability he said he wanted.

and you would need a caller ID compatible modem.

The bulk of them are.

No they are not!

Yes, they are!!!!

Although most modern modems accept the command
to enable Caller ID (usually AT#CID=1) they still will
not recognize the Australian tones and timing.

Complete and utter drivel. There is no
'Australian tones and timing'. All my
modems deliver the Caller ID text fine.
And not one of those is a locally made product.

 

[Rod Speed]

"KLR" <kreed@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message news:f1e8jvo1nfghevevrguns1s2mmqjrgdd1h@4ax.com...

On Sat, 9 Aug 2003 09:24:56 +1000, "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com
wrote:


"Daniel Franklin" <daniel@widrow.snrc.uow.edu.au> wrote in message news:slrnbj5v54.d43.daniel@widrow.snrc.uow.edu.au...
Franc Zabkar wrote:

Atmel, to name just one manufacturer, make an RF ID version of the
popular 24C08 serial EEPROM. This is used in Thinkpad laptops, for
example.

See http://www.atmel.com/products/RFID/

I have no idea whether these devices form the basis for pet
microchips, though.

I've always wanted to get one of these implanted in my arm... the ultimate
keyless entry system

Nothing to stop you getting one from the vet.

I think the size of the needle would put you off.

Only wimps.

It would have to be about 4mm diameter

strangely it didnt worry either cat in the slightest.

Yeah, its just a psychological effect.

 

[I_Have_No_F*****_Idea]

Woof Woof...

that is my dog agreeing with yours... ;-)


"Mike Harding" <mike_harding1@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 07 Aug 2003 15:36:07 GMT, KLR <kreed@bigpond.net.au> wrote:

Anyone know much about these things ?

My dog does, hang on I'll ask her.........

Waving the hand held reader within about 3 inches or so of the implant
seemed sufficient to retrieve the data.

What I don't understand is why would a processor etc be necessary on
such a device ? Surely just transmitting a serial number on demand is
sufficient for this application ? Its not as though its a high
security thing etc either ?

How are the things powered ? inductive powering by the reader via a
small coil inside ?

Right she said she thinks what happens is...

The reader produces a magnetic field which provides
enought power to start up the implant which in it's turn
sucks power from the mag. field at a rate/frequency/
pulse period whatever which bears some relationship
to the unique ID number these changes in the field
are sensed by the reader and translated into the ID.
She also thinks Dallas and/or Temic make the things.

Mike Harding

 

[Brian Goldsmith]

"Arpit" <DONTSPAMMEF00Lneko4@dodo.com.au> wrote


I was going to make fun of you. But there wouldn't be any
challenge in
that.


**** What are you on about????