PRC as a amplifier in GPS question.

[Arny Krueger]

"Les Cargill" <lcargill@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
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Arny Krueger wrote:
"Les Cargill" <lcargill@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
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Arny Krueger wrote:

You're avoiding the obvious point - the reason for our
Revolutionary War was was that the British were raping
us.

That is patently and very simply untrue.

So much for all the literature of the day that basically
said exactly that.

The literature is what's know as "agitprop". It's a part
of the story. Your statement can easily be untrue without being
false - it is a partial truth.

Judging something to be agitprop does not prove it to be either partially,
or wholly false.

I don't know if you noticed this, but you actually said nothing that was
relevant to the issue at hand.

That is the five cent story. The real story is *A WHOLE
LOT* more complex than that.

Reality is always complex. I was responding to a two
cent falsehood with a five cent answer.

It is as much about communications being simply
impossible and the choice of words on official documents
being unfortunate.

Nice job of dismissing available documentation that
seems to disagree with your narrow view.

I find no definition of the word "dismiss" that means
"places as a smaller element when in context."

Good for you. Be sure to post again when you have something factual to
report.

My five center is that King George said "you don't
want to be traitors, do you", which the Founding
Fathers interpreted as "you are traitors".

In the context, probably pretty reasonable.

Probably.

So, where's the beef?

The HBO "John Adams" series does a reasonable
job of this, but not too great.

Ah, truth by means of HBO. ;-)

No, offering a relatively well-wrought survey item of
media as a recommendation. I really don't like the book it's based
on all that much - the movie's better in this case.

Again, you've said nothing that's meaningful or relevant. Interesting
approach, obfuscating truth by means of a movie review.

It is also about the fact that the Colonies were a
financial drain, something that could not be clearly
understood for decades or centuries. "Wealth of Nations"
was only published in 1776, and its implications are
still being debated.

You're trying to obfuscate by means of raising issues
that you admit still aren't resolved.

These are not obfuscations - these are elements of the
story. The colonies were a drain on the Crown treasury,
for reasons not well understood for a century.

So what?

Making bad business decisions is of course a generally accepted reason for
enslaving people. ;-)

That is why the taxes were levied.

Yup, the British Crown makes a mistake, and the colonists pay. Some with
their lives, others with jail time.

The colonists, not being so-much colonizers,
didn't want to pay for it either.

Seems pretty rational thinking on their part. Somehow I'm glad that the
revolution worked, even if we had to fight it 3 times before the British
Crown "got it".

If you want to respond properly, you'll present a
relevant, concise counter-argument.

You'll find very few better, Arny. This is about as
"concise" as it gets.

I've yet to find any well-laid out argument at all. :-(

 

[Arny Krueger]

"Iain Churches" <IainNG@kolumbus.fi> wrote in message
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"Arny Krueger" <arnyk@hotpop.com> wrote in message
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Doesn't matter what the dollar is worth if you've got
enough of them to live well.

A dunce in three subjects in one thread:
History, geography and now economics.

None of which has been proven, BTW.

Come on Arny, tell us more

Ian, you seem to be way too old to learn new tricks. Of course that seems to
have been true when you were six, as well. :-(

 

[Iain Churches]

"Arny Krueger" <arnyk@hotpop.com> wrote in message
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"Les Cargill" <lcargill@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
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My five center is that King George said "you don't want to be traitors,
do you", which the Founding Fathers interpreted as "you are traitors".

In the context, probably pretty reasonable.

Interesting.

So this 47% illiteracy rate in the US is not a new thing then?
Even the Founding Fathers could not understand English

Iain

 

[Iain Churches]

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"Peter Larsen" <digilyd@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Also, if you don't like the way we do things, you are
free to stay home.

Actually, I am not, I don't go there for pleasure, I go
there to work

that's no excuse. if you don't like it, you can find
a different job.

How's the dollar Michael?

Improving.

Erm. Hardly!.
When the European Monetary Union was established
by The Maastricht Treaty of 1992, the value of the
Euro was set at parity with the USD.

Now it stands at Euro 1 = USD1.488

"Improving" eh?


Iain

 

[David Segall]

"Moi" <user@user.com> wrote:

Most of us have become frustrated with Phil but now and then he
gives really good information. I killfiled him long ago to get rid of the
abuse, only to see his post quoted numerous times by others!
You need a better news reader! I use Forte Agent

<http://www.forteinc.com/> which provides kill options to mark the
post as read, delete the post or delete the post and all follow ups.
It also enables you to delete a sub-thread so you can ignore the
exchange between two posters having an off-topic argument in a thread
that you are interested in. It costs $US30.00 but I have been told
that the free Xnews <http://xnews.newsguy.com/> has similar features.

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Peter Larsen wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Also, if you don't like the way we do things, you are free to stay
home.

Actually, I am not, I don't go there for pleasure, I go there to work

that's no excuse. if you don't like it, you can find a different
job.

How's the dollar Michael?

Which dollar? Another vague question, as usual. Two of the groups
are Australian, so it would imply you are asking about their dollar.


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shows you to be in Europe. If you are so worried about OUR dollar, why
are we still flooded with foreign tourists? Thanks to them my taxes are
higher. They want to be right on the beach, so that is where the hotels
are. That more than doubles the cost of my homeowner's insurance. The
accidents caused by tourists makes my truck insurance higher. One of
the early 'Attractions' is nearby, and it's obvious that a lot of
drivers have never been in the area before.



Gasoline in my area of Florida has dropped from $4.17 a gallon to
$3.67 a gallon in the last three weeks. That is about a 12% drop.
Most prices for food and other necessities have only risen a few percent
in the last year, which has happened almost every year I've been on this
earth. I have seen a few local businesses close, but the lease was up,
and the owner had already planned to retire. I've also seen new
businesses open, and others expanding. We have two large chain stores
building new stores less than eight miles from here, and between them
they will be hiring about 300 people. Several other large stores have
opened in the last six months, which was another 250 jobs.

Yes, the home building industry is down, but they had been building
homes on speculation for several years, and had a six month inventory.
Soon, that will be gone, and the work will pick up. A lot of custom
homes are still being built, including homes in "The Villages" which is
one of the largest retirement communities in the country. It has fill
large parts of three counties, and is still growing. They even have
their own VA clinic, to teat the residents who served the US military.


Personally, I am paying all my bills, eating well, my mortgage is
almost paid off, and I don't have to go panhandle. Yes, some people are
out of work, but it will return. Some industries can't find enough
skilled labor, like real machinists, since the "Weak" US dollar is
creating more demand for our products. A "high" dollar can be as
destructive as a low one, or didn't you study economics? A high dollar
leads to inflation, makes people lazy, they overspend, and when a little
ripple hits, they are screwed. I have always lived a frugal life. I
don't buy things to impress others, but I do buy the best quality I can,
for things I expect to last.


The worst part is arrogant tourists who expect us to kiss their ass,
simply because they flew across an ocean. Nt all of them are like that,
but the ones that are leave a foul stench in the air. When I hear how
much better things are in some other country I simply ask them, Why do
you keep coming back?


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[Peter Larsen]

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

How's the dollar Michael?

Which dollar? Another vague question, as usual. Two of the groups
are Australian, so it would imply you are asking about their dollar.

Not vague in as much as it was a question to a very american american
poster.


Kind regards

Peter Larsen

 

[Eeyore]

Iain Churches wrote:

"Joe Kotroczo" wrote
"Iain Churches" wrote:

Is there some way, other than the content of the post,
to tell them apart?

The headers.

"Path:
uni-berlin.de!fu-berlin.de!newspeer.monmouth.com!newspeer1.nac.net!border2.n
ntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nx02.ia
d01.newshosting.com!newshosting.com!post01.iad01!news.buzzardnews.com!not-fo
r-mail"

Tells us this was posted from buzzardnews.com.

The real one uses giganews.com:

"Path:
uni-berlin.de!fu-berlin.de!nlpi057.nbdc.sbc.com!prodigy.net!Xl.tags.giganews
.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local02.nntp.dca.gigane
ws.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail"

Hi Joe.
Where do I find these headers in Outlook Express?

I dare say someone's already answered in detail but it can be found under
properties IIRC with the message selected. In Netscape it's simply
view>headers>all

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

Les Cargill wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
Arny Krueger wrote:
"Eeyore" wrote

The way the British treated their colonies, dominions etc
is well demonstrated by the continuing existence of the
Commonwealth of Nations which has recently even accepted
one former non-British territory. There are over 50
members IRC.

53 btw now I checked. There are more countries in the Commonwealth (which accounts for
approx 1/3 of the world's population) than there are states in the USA. And that's
even after "Zimbabwe was suspended in 2002 over concerns with the electoral and land
reform policies of Robert Mugabe's Zanu-PF government"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_of_Nations#Suspensions

Also see....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_of_Nations#Applicants
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_of_Nations_membership_criteria#Prospective_members

Yes, even the USA would be eligible to join !

Those are the weak and/or lazy ones who lacked what it took to put the
British raping to an end in a timely fashion.

And they loved being 'raped' so much that they joined a mutual club to celebrate
it. Yes, that makes sense. Maybe Mozambique was hoping they'd get raped too if
they joined, even though they'd never been a British colony ?
...
Reg:
All right, Stan. Don't labour the point. And what have they ever
given us in return?
Xerxes: The aqueduct.
Reg: Oh yeah, yeah they gave us that. Yeah. That's true.
Masked Activist:
And the sanitation!
Stan:
Oh yes... sanitation, Reg, you remember what the city used to be like.
Reg:
All right, I'll grant you that the aqueduct and the sanitation are
two things that the Romans have done...
Matthias:
And the roads...

http://www.epicure.demon.co.uk/whattheromans.html

Very briefly (before the Common Market as it was then IIRC) FRANCE applied to join the
Commonwealth. I think we may have been foolish to turn them down.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

Les Cargill wrote:

I think the great innovation of the Revolution was the denial of
absolute political power to a divine right monarch, but that
wasn't even that new. But we go back and forth - the grass is always
greener - once "imperial" Presidencies show weakness, we go
the other way.

Thinks GWB and Tony Blair (not President but he behaved like one).

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

Les Cargill wrote:

Arny Krueger wrote:

One of the problems with people who live in second-rate countries like the
UK is that they don't appreciate the complexities of life

Uh ? Been there, done it centuries before. Very smartly too, based almost entirely
on trade rather than military force.

in the rather large and complex country that is still *The* world power.

For a little longer maybe.

This is just ridiculous, Arny. Stop it. You are embarrassing yourself.

I couldn't agree more. It's sad to see how quite intelligent people can fail to
have a good grasp of world history.

How about going back to the days of Carthage, Troy and Rome ?

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

Les Cargill wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
Arny Krueger wrote:
"Eeyore" wrot

Name ONE country we 'raped'.
Three...

What is now known as The United States Of America

Raped ? In what way ? Might I draw your attention to how you treated
your own indigenous population ?

I see. Who was William the Ba^H^H Conquerror? (I kid, Grahama).

Part of Britain's strength has always been its adaptability to accomadate
'immigrants'.

That's largely irrelevant to the point at hand. And the
indigenous population wanted to use the... "white-eyes"
as a strategic ally against other indigenous populations.

They chose poorly.

There's venality and error enough for everybody involved. If
you dig deep enough into even Jackson's story, you find
that the Cherokee had internecine conflict that enabled
that significantly.

I'm sure that's so, but even so, the displacement of the tribes to
reservations is nothing to be proud of.

The Western plains tribes were more unfortunate, but
such was the understanding of people at the time. Without
Manifest Destiny, there would have been no America. The
railroads were critical.

India

Oh, that assortment of moghul territories and mini kingdoms we turned
into a nation state and introduced democracy to. We built the Indian
Parliament around 1912 or so IIRC. Yup, that was rape for sure

So what was that Ghandi guy so upset about?

He just wanted independence (i.e the ability to rule themselves). The
British had already built an Indian Parliament in around 1912 but it was
not based on universal suffrage and consequently was not a success. Have
you see the film Ghandi ? It's AWESOME. It is a serious 'must see'. It
explains a lot, including the problem with Pakistan.

Incidentally I know an Indian businessman who perfectly seriously reckons
India STILL isn't ready for universal suffrage ! He feels it's held India
back technologically and economically.

South Africa

Cite ? I think you'll find the Boers were the beastly ones.

The Boers were stranded/isolated, mainly by the bankruptcy of the
Dutch East India Company.

Plus the Boers themselves started the war that finished off the their
complete independence by attacking British areas of SA. Even so, after that
they were still accorded special rights.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

Les Cargill wrote:

Media does not have an educational nor *really* a public-goods
charter. Unless you want to see BBC style gummint organs
of media (which is not a bad model at all), you'll get what
you get.

Not sure what you mean there. The government in power here invariably claims the
BBC is biased against it. Sounds good to me.

As for charters, the BBC has (had?) one under Reith (an early Director General).
To educate, inform and entertain.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

Les Cargill wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:
keithr wrote:
I have to go to the US again in October, not something that I look forward
to, waiting probably 45 minutes in line to be faced with the most
unfriendly, unhelpful immigration officials that I have ever had the
misfortune to encounter (and that includes having visited such places as
communist China in the old days) being fingerprinted and photographed for
the umpteenth time. The US is the only country that I have visited that
finds it necessary to arm their immigration officials, I am not sure what
they are scared of.
The wait wouldn't be that long if they didn't keep finding enough
illegal crap, to justify their operating budget. Also, if you don't
like the way we do things, you are free to stay home.

America! Love it, or stay home.

I think increasingly people will stay home. I'll bet Florida's economy would
have been crippled had it not been for the falling dollar.

Florida is nothing but a military outpost with pretensions to
real estate speculation. Has been since Osceola and Al
Capone, respectively. Tourism is recent, and limited
to certain regions which have developed a really nasty
crime problem recently...

It also serves as a mythic Shangri La for people from New York City,
at least since "Midnight Cowboy". They buy beach condos and then
don't live in them.

The Brevard County seat is Titusville. The first
telephone line in a county building was in the courthouse in Titusville
around 1950. It was not named after Titus Andronicus, but it should have
been... the point being, there was nobody here.

But the weather is awesome.

Awesomely humid too I hear which wouldn't attract me.

I am referring to the "lower Alabama" portions of Florida, not Miami,
which is an ostensibly South American outpost that nobody really
understands.

Interesting post. I wish I understood it better.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

Les Cargill wrote:

terryc wrote:
Les Cargill wrote:

That is patently and very simply untrue. That is the five cent story.
The real story is *A WHOLE LOT* more complex than that.

Correct, it was really a power grab by the wealthy of the colony and they
succeeded.

These were not unprincipled people, and trying to make a novel out of it
simply won't work. Who was a "good guy"/"bad guy" depends on too much
detail to bother.

Plus who wins gets to write the book !

The Founders were a lot broke-arse land speculators, the British
proper snubbed them socially and mistakes were made.

But the bottom line is that communications were impossible, and
things get worse when that is true.

It didn't help that trans-Atlantic voyages by sailing ship were necessary to
discuss matters. And they WERE discussed too. Very seriously. The falling out
was possibly just pure bad luck.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

keithr wrote:

Outlook Express is a horrible news reader

Netscape 4.8 is almost perfect for the job (at least for text groups with unsplit
posts).

Simple, does the job. No silly graphics. Available from their archive site.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

Arny Krueger wrote:

"Eeyore" wrote
Arny Krueger wrote:

I note that those *lovely places* called "Concentration
Camps" were invented by the British during their attempt
to suppress personal liberties in South Africa. Talk
about covering yourself with glory in the pages of
history!

Fundmanentally(sic) no different to the camps you put your
Japanese citizens in during WW2.

Well yes, they were both composed of buildings. While the US accommodations
were spartan, the survival rate was very, very high. The US paid tens of
millions in compensation, and issued formal apologies.

Note that Canada interned tens of thousands of Japanese at the same time.
Thus, the British Commonwealth is in no position to point an accusing
finger.

Except I don't think we confiscated their property too.

True, Kitchener's "Scorched Earth" policy was about total destruction, not
confiscation.

There was a very high death rate in the British concentration camps due to
disease and malnutrition.The disposition of the property of the thousands of
dead hardly mattered to them.

Interesting what the allegedly superior British educational system does not
teach...

Big difference. The Japanese Americans weren't actually fighting you. The Dutch
(Boers) were however fully at war with us.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

Arny Krueger wrote:

Note the congenital disrespect of the US from countries that we saved from
total destruction at least twice: UK & France.

Who says either truly disrespect you ? As opposed to your relatively recent
behaviour.

I used to be terribly pro-USA until a few brain dead Presidents caused
worldwide conflict.

It's one reason I dropped my Republican (i.e. anti-Royal) feelings. The thought
of Margaret Thatcher as President is enough to make my blood run cold. And I
dare say she could have been.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

Arny Krueger wrote:

"Les Cargill" <lcargill@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
Arny Krueger wrote:

You're avoiding the obvious point - the reason for our
Revolutionary War was was that the British were raping
us.

That is patently and very simply untrue.

So much for all the literature of the day that basically said exactly that.

Whose literature ?

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

Arny Krueger wrote:

I note that voting in the UK and most other countries is also restricted to
citizens

You need to educate yourself. The Irish (Republic of) can vote in UK elections
for one and have been able to do so since time immemorial. Also I think now can
any resident EU citizens.

Graham