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[KR]

On Oct 6, 2:00 pm, Roger Dewhurst <dewhu...@wave.co.nz> wrote:

Trevor Wilson wrote:
"Roger Dewhurst" <dewhu...@wave.co.nz> wrote in message
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You really should save the rudeness for special occasions of which this is
indeed one.  Used too frequently it loses its effect.

**You really are a piece of work. You fail completely to supply anything
remotely resembling evidence and dance when you see someone using profanity
to make some kind of point.

Where is your evidence?

That would be casting pearls before swine.  You would not know
'evidence' if it bit you on the bum.

R

Agreed, its a total waste of time and effort.

Its about as pointless as trying to convince a nut case that he
"isn't" really hearing voices. The rest of those in the room know
that there are no voices, measuring instruments can't detect any sound
but the nutter persists in their delusion, and gets mad at anyone who
doesn't agree with them regardless of any evidence laid before them.
There is no point.

In another time, he would be the one that immediately screamed "WITCH
WITCH WITCH" and order the fire stoked up when confronted with any
evidence that went against his beliefs.

He would be that boy that had his nappy pulled down in front of the
entire school, with his excrement on full public display. He just
denies, denies, denies that it exists, he is right and everyone else
simply imagines what they see and smell, it isnt real.

"The grave is the only cure for the hunch backed."

 

[Trevor Wilson]

"Mr.T" <MrT@home> wrote in message
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"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
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**I'm not perfect. My OPINIONS about whether GPS units are just that:
OPINIONS.

Fair enough.

Fundamentally, these
idiots need to be convinced about the fact of AGW, before population
control
measures can be implemented.

Unfortunately hardly any government, political party, or individuals are
willing to link the two and do anything about the real cause of climate
change in any case.

**Not entirely the case. Here are a couple of examples of influential people
and organisations who are thinking:

http://greens.org.au/node/792

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/australias-population-fairytale-20090927-g7o5.html

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/its-the-ecosystem-stupid-20090922-g0h1.html

We should support these and other people and organisations who speak the
(uncomfortable) truth. Sadly, we have idiots like Plimer, Simpson, Allison,
'Dewhurst', 'KR' and others who take a head-in-the-sand attitude towards the
very serious problems that beset us.

I'm TOTALLY sick of paying their baby bonuses AND carbon

"taxes". Pick ONE or the other!!!

**Agreed. Baby bonus, indeed!


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[Roger Dewhurst]

Phil Allison wrote:

"Roger Dewhurst"

You really should save the rudeness for special occasions of which this is
indeed one. Used too frequently it loses its effect.


** Nothing has any effect on TWs' thick head.

No problem with that!

R

..... Phil

 

[Trevor Wilson]

"Roger Dewhurst" <dewhurst@wave.co.nz> wrote in message
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Phil Allison wrote:
"Roger Dewhurst"

You really should save the rudeness for special occasions of which this
is indeed one. Used too frequently it loses its effect.


** Nothing has any effect on TWs' thick head.

No problem with that!

**Your inability to present any evidence to support your claims is duly
noted.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[Trevor Wilson]

"terryc" <newsninespam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote in message
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On Wed, 07 Oct 2009 07:56:32 +1100, Trevor Wilson wrote:


**Your inability to present any evidence to support your claims is duly
noted.

Whereas your total evidence is a report by career bureaucrats?.

**My evidence was supported by science.


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[Trevor Wilson]

"terryc" <newsninespam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote in message
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On Wed, 07 Oct 2009 07:55:30 +1100, Trevor Wilson wrote:


**Not entirely the case. Here are a couple of examples of influential
people and organisations who are thinking:

http://greens.org.au/node/792

That is just as bad and meaningless as a Rudd speech.

**Nope. It is policy. Please feel free to compile a full list of Federal
political parties that have any reference to population policy.

Pile of self

contradictatory claptrap. As well, an elected member of The Greens has NO
freedom to act in the best interest of their constituents.

**Yet. Give it time.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/australias-population-
fairytale-20090927-g7o5.html

Tom Keneally is a blinkered fool who doesn't know what he is talking
about. He fails to understand the great difference between Australian
before WWII and after and why more people are not going to be good for
this country.

**Huh? The cited article SPECIFICALLY refers to the conflicting issues of
population growth and CO2 emissions. It demostrates PRECISELY my point.
Keneally may, or may not be a "blinkered fool". That is not the point. He
raises some very important issues which need to be discussed.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/its-the-ecosystem-stupid-20090922-
g0h1.html

Ross Gittins is an economist who thinks everything can be fully measured
and valued by its dollar worth.

**Factually untrue. Gittens is one of the few economists who sees past the
immediate Dollar.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[John - Melb]

On Oct 6, 5:53 pm, "Trevor Wilson" <tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au>
wrote:

**I'm not perfect. My OPINIONS about whether GPS units are just that:
OPINIONS. They are opinions, based on an unfortunate experience and some
soberbering statistics. I accept that others will have different opinions in
that matter. Plimer is dressing opinions up as fact. And idiots like
Simpson, Allison and Dewhurst are sucking it all up. Fundamentally, these
idiots need to be convinced about the fact of AGW, before population control
measures can be implemented.

BZZZZZZT - Fail!

Hey Tosspot, you've claimed HOW many times on APG that you "only deal
in facts"?

 

[terryc]

On Wed, 07 Oct 2009 07:55:30 +1100, Trevor Wilson wrote:

**Not entirely the case. Here are a couple of examples of influential
people and organisations who are thinking:

http://greens.org.au/node/792

That is just as bad and meaningless as a Rudd speech. Pile of self
contradictatory claptrap. As well, an elected member of The Greens has NO
freedom to act in the best interest of their constituents.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/australias-population-
fairytale-20090927-g7o5.html

Tom Keneally is a blinkered fool who doesn't know what he is talking
about. He fails to understand the great difference between Australian
before WWII and after and why more people are not going to be good for
this country.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/its-the-ecosystem-stupid-20090922-
g0h1.html

Ross Gittins is an economist who thinks everything can be fully measured
and valued by its dollar worth.

 

[Roger Dewhurst]

Trevor Wilson wrote:

"terryc" <newsninespam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote in message
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On Wed, 07 Oct 2009 07:56:32 +1100, Trevor Wilson wrote:


**Your inability to present any evidence to support your claims is duly
noted.
Whereas your total evidence is a report by career bureaucrats?.

**My evidence was supported by science.

Actually it is supported, in the main, by bureaucrats and academics
whose jobs depend on the AGW scam. If and when the scam collapses there
will be thousands of them made jobless. In addition to the bureaucrats
and academics feeding directly at the trough there are now numbers of
lawyers, accountants and sundry consultants who see a living to be made
in promoting the scam.

I am not optimistic that those feeding at the trough will ever
acknowledge that they are wrong even as the ice caps creep down over
Canada and northern Europe. I am more optimistic however that the
general public, who are the inevitable losers as this scam continues,
will distrust the exaggerated claims of the warmers as these become
increasingly strident and bizarre. When this happens the politicians,
or at least the smarter ones among them, will figure out where the votes
lie and what is needed for re-election.

R

 

[terryc]

On Wed, 07 Oct 2009 07:56:32 +1100, Trevor Wilson wrote:

**Your inability to present any evidence to support your claims is duly
noted.

Whereas your total evidence is a report by career bureaucrats?.

 

[Trevor Wilson]

"Roger Dewhurst" <dewhurst@wave.co.nz> wrote in message
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Trevor Wilson wrote:
"terryc" <newsninespam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote in message
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On Wed, 07 Oct 2009 07:56:32 +1100, Trevor Wilson wrote:


**Your inability to present any evidence to support your claims is duly
noted.
Whereas your total evidence is a report by career bureaucrats?.

**My evidence was supported by science.

Actually it is supported, in the main,

**Not once, not EVER have you supplied any shred of evidence to support
these recent claims of yours:

"much as your rants on firearms of a few years ago."


" More recent and more detailed study shows that CO2
always lags temperature."


"There are more than 500 cites in the first third of Plimer's book."

"Are you the Trevor Wilson who used to post loony ideas about gun control?

If so have you switched your loony tunes?"

Supply your cites or retract your claims. You have failed, despite repeated
requests, to supply any evidence to support your nonsense.



by bureaucrats and academics

whose jobs depend on the AGW scam.

**As opposed to liars like Lindzen (paid more than US$2,500.00/day by fossil
fuel intests) and Plimer (who has worked for many mining companies over the
years)? Bollocks. Find me ONE CSIRO scientist who is paid more than
$2,500.00/day for research into AGW. Just ONE scientist. Bet you cannot. The
fossil fuel industry is huge and very wealthy. They can afford to corrupt
scientists like Lindzen and Plimer to write lies in place of real science.

If and when the scam collapses there

will be thousands of them made jobless.

**Scam? Place you science here:

---



---
Given your inability to supply anything remotely approaching fact, I won't
hold my breath.

In addition to the bureaucrats

and academics feeding directly at the trough there are now numbers of
lawyers, accountants and sundry consultants who see a living to be made in
promoting the scam.

**As opposed to this man:

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/PainAtThePump/story?id=1841989

Or these guys:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=washingtonstory&sid=aJqpyEwim0Fw

You're living under a rock. The really big money is in fossil fuels.

BTW: Note how I supply cites to justify my statements. Note how you do not?

I am not optimistic that those feeding at the trough will ever acknowledge
that they are wrong even as the ice caps creep down over Canada and
northern Europe.

**Prove that the ice caps are expanding.

I am more optimistic however that the

general public,

**I'm not. Like you, they are scientific illiterates.

who are the inevitable losers as this scam continues,

will distrust the exaggerated claims of the warmers as these become
increasingly strident and bizarre. When this happens the politicians, or
at least the smarter ones among them, will figure out where the votes lie
and what is needed for re-election.

**All while the planet warms.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[David L. Jones]

Peter K wrote:

No David, your solar air heater is not different or any better than
the scores of others that are detailed on the Web and other places. You
know as well as I do that designs similar, if not identical, have been
around
in local libraries for years before 2005. Here are a few:

And to think less than 6 months ago you were actually citing my design in
Renew:

http://groups.google.com.au/group/aus.electronics/tree/browse_frm/thread/4f06065b81482e6c/b3f88bf641b70c0a?rnum=1&_done=%2Fgroup%2Faus.electronics%2Fbrowse_frm%2Fthread%2F4f06065b81482e6c%2F2f71e846b6866150%3F#doc_25e72e519b42fd95

Go figure.

Dave.

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[Davo]

Roger Dewhurst wrote:

Trevor Wilson wrote:
"terryc" <newsninespam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote in message
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On Wed, 07 Oct 2009 07:56:32 +1100, Trevor Wilson wrote:


**Your inability to present any evidence to support your claims is duly
noted.
Whereas your total evidence is a report by career bureaucrats?.

**My evidence was supported by science.

Actually it is supported, in the main, by bureaucrats and academics
whose jobs depend on the AGW scam. If and when the scam collapses there
will be thousands of them made jobless. In addition to the bureaucrats
and academics feeding directly at the trough there are now numbers of
lawyers, accountants and sundry consultants who see a living to be made
in promoting the scam.

I am not optimistic that those feeding at the trough will ever
acknowledge that they are wrong even as the ice caps creep down over
Canada and northern Europe. I am more optimistic however that the
general public, who are the inevitable losers as this scam continues,
will distrust the exaggerated claims of the warmers as these become
increasingly strident and bizarre. When this happens the politicians,
or at least the smarter ones among them, will figure out where the votes
lie and what is needed for re-election.

R

I don't have an opinion either way, but where is the ice cap creeping
down? I was under the impression, given by photographic evidence, that
glaciers are receding.

Additionally, I don't think they call it global warming, but climate
change, depending on what the ocean currents do.

 

[David L. Jones]

Mr.T wrote:

"David L. Jones" <altzone@gmail.com> wrote in message
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$100 per page is the going rate, tax free.

Tax free? I don't think so. (You may have deductions that will
effectively make it so however, since then they will WANT to
classify it as a hobby)

Yes, tax free. For most people it can be classified as hobby income,
unless you are silly enough to deliberably say it's not. SC even
gave me a form to fill out stating that the income I was receiving
was for hobby purposes, to cover their backside too I guess...


Which is fine only as long as the tax department agrees it is a
hobby. And that may well be the case for most people.
Claiming blanket coverage for all contributors as a "hobby" however is
incorrect.

Yep, that's why I said "most".

The main definition is IIRC something like "no reasonable expectation to
make a profit. I'd be most perplexed if anyone can claim having made a
profit from an SC article alone! Perhaps if you did it as part of similar
regular income work or some such.

Dave.

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[Mr.T]

"David L. Jones" <altzone@gmail.com> wrote in message
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$100 per page is the going rate, tax free.

Tax free? I don't think so. (You may have deductions that will
effectively make it so however, since then they will WANT to classify
it as a hobby)

Yes, tax free. For most people it can be classified as hobby income,
unless
you are silly enough to deliberably say it's not. SC even gave me a form
to
fill out stating that the income I was receiving was for hobby purposes,
to
cover their backside too I guess...

Which is fine only as long as the tax department agrees it is a hobby. And
that may well be the case for most people.
Claiming blanket coverage for all contributors as a "hobby" however is
incorrect.

MrT.

 

[Mr.T]

"David L. Jones" <altzone@gmail.com> wrote in message
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The 7 Billion selfish humanoids could very well be helping it along.
Bastards!

"COULD", you are joking that they may NOT be right?
And population is projected to reach 9 or 10 Billion by the middle of the
century or so. And nobody is even sure if it will decrease then or just keep
climbing.
Australia's current record level of population increase is certainly not
consistent with government claims we need to do something about climate
change, that's for sure! Still no sign of an end to Howard's baby bonuses or
immigration levels either!

MrT.

 

[terryc]

On Wed, 07 Oct 2009 09:47:20 +1100, Trevor Wilson wrote:

That is just as bad and meaningless as a Rudd speech.

**Nope. It is policy. Please feel free to compile a full list of Federal
political parties that have any reference to population policy.

It isn't a definite population policy. It just includes population as
another buzzword. The greens will NEVER post the population policy they
believe it.

Pile of self
contradictatory claptrap. As well, an elected member of The Greens has
NO freedom to act in the best interest of their constituents.

**Yet. Give it time.

No, as an elected member of the greens, you must follow what the caucus
decides. They have no capacity for independent action on any issue.

Tom Keneally is a blinkered fool who doesn't know what he is talking
about. He fails to understand the great difference between Australian
before WWII and after and why more people are not going to be good for
this country.

He raises some very important issues which need to be discussed.

Nope, he argues for greater population for Australia for the benefits it
will bring.
>

 

[terryc]

On Wed, 07 Oct 2009 12:27:28 +0800, Davo wrote:

Additionally, I don't think they call it global warming, but climate
change, depending on what the ocean currents do.

Climate change is the normal state of the climate on this planet; i.e.
the only constant is change. It is just the time factor seems slow to
humans.

Global warming is more correctly the amount of energy flowing around the
planet. More energy pumping through the climate means greater chance of a
climate extreme and more weather extremes on the way.*

The ice will creep down on Europe again if the gulf stream flips/stops.


* A shor term analogy might be the economy; when the money flowing picks
up and gets real wild, market distortions happen, then something breka
ands a crash happens, the money disappears from circulation and the
economy slows down, to gradually build up again.

 

[Mr.T]

"David L. Jones" <altzone@gmail.com> wrote in message
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and that globalwarming is the greatest problem ever faced by
humans

No actually, overpopulation and nuclear weapons are.

Overpopulation, YES. However nuclear weapons are only a major problem IF
they are used. Disposal of radioactive material is a problem of course, but
probably more of it comes from nuclear power plants I will bet.

But as to the thrust of your main argument, NOT everyone cares about seeing
their name in print enough to waste their time generating income for someone
else!!!
Personally I would rather put such articles on-line for everyone to see for
nothing, and NOT have other people profit from MY endevours.
You are entitled to make your own decisions however, but *not* necessarily
criticise those not willing to do the same, IMO.

MrT.

 

[Mr.T]

"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
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Unfortunately hardly any government, political party, or individuals are
willing to link the two and do anything about the real cause of climate
change in any case.

**Not entirely the case. Here are a couple of examples of influential
people
and organisations who are thinking:

http://greens.org.au/node/792

This rather contradicts that :

"Australia has an obligation to accept humanitarian migration including that
resulting from climate change"

So being unable to control other countries population growth, that obviously
locks us into unsustainable growth of our own.

The Greens unfortunately have no idea which way to go on climate change, but
at least they do admit it :

"there are complex issues involved in population policy"


MrT.