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[TT]

"Mr. T" <mrt@home> wrote in message
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A smart person learns from his "silly" actions.

MrT.

I have taken that onboard recently and have stopped arguing with idiots.

Note: I do not have discussions with PA anymore.

As I have said I have enjoyed our dialogue and we agree on more than maybe
is at first obvious.

Regards TT

 

[Mr. T]

"paul packer" <packer@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message
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Second this. I too find Mr. T a satisfyingly intelligent responder,
but though I haven't yet been called "stupid" I find his rather
dismissive attitude and frequent "so what?" and "who cares?" unworthy
of his intellect. Hey, I've been called arrogant a few times so why
should I mind passing it on?

OK, but just to be clear, I have never called anyone stupid that I can
remember. I have called quite a few statements made here stupid, and certain
courses of action that have been suggested.
I'm sure you can see there is a difference.

I have frequently asked for supporting evidence when some wild claims are
made, rather than dismiss out of hand. Unfortunately many people don't like
being challenged, even when it's not done in the PA style.

MrT.

 

[Mr. T]

"TT" <swatter@geo.net.au> wrote in message
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The Yanks have these
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/recalls/arecalls_auto.htm
http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/problems/recalls//Index.cfm
http://www.autosafety.org/

Yes, the yanks have lemon laws too, something we do without.

I could keep going but I would only depress you. I have lost the site but
Congress has a site that has *ALL* service bulletins listed for all cars
sold in the US. This is something that Oz could take onboard.

Agreed.
I wouldn't hold my breathe waiting for the present government to do anything
though.

MrT.

 

[TT]

"paul packer" <packer@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message
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On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 09:28:58 +0800, "TT" <swat@swat.com.au> wrote:

The Ford Motor Company actually made a conscious decision to
release a faulty car to the public and allow people to burn
to death in simple rear end accidents!

Regards TT

Well, Corporate America let people keep smoking for several decades. I
guess that's a case of letting people smoulder to death.

I note the lack of a smiley so I must assume you are serious. In the
Western world Smoking has been around for centuries and medical evidence was
not available until relatively recently where as the Ford Pinto was released
in the early 70s when the manufacturer *new* it would likely kill people.

Regards TT

 

[roughplanet]

"Mr. T" <mrt@home> wrote in message
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"roughplanet" <roughplanet@optushome.com.au> wrote in message
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Not necessarily. Last year, the European 'Lemon of the Year' (VW no less)
was judged by a number of criteria, one of which was the number of
factory
recalls. Obviously THESE recalls are serious enough for the company to
not
just wait until the car is serviced, as not everyone takes their car to
the
dealer from whom they bought it for servicing.

Exactly, and *I* would want to know if the main bearings were missing!
According to TT, Mitsubishi didn't think so.
This is **MUCH** more reprehensible IMO than recalling for faulty window
winders as happened to me once with Mazda.

You seem to have a problem with the English language, or is it that you
just like to argue. Read my post again....all of it this time, and then
try
answering the actual question, rather than just taking one point out of
context, and using it to tell me what you thought I said.

One of us certainly has a problem with English if you don't think that's
one
implication of your argument.
Simply recall nothing no matter how bad, and you think that's better
"quality" than a company recalling minor faults. Is that really what you
mean, or would you like to re-word your whole statement?

Hmmm........ as I didn't have an argument in the first place, that person is
obviously you. I merely suggested that IF, please read that again; IF a
vehicle's
performance were to be judged on the number of recalls in a 12 month period,
then, based on this fact alone, the 26 recalls on the Rolls Royce would mean
that the vehicle would be judged as being something of a lemon. The fact
that it isn't was what I questioned, vis. "Where does such an example fit
in?"
Despite all your huffing & puffing, you STILL haven't answered the question.
Capice???

'....and IF judged on recalls per 12 month period' Got it? Next time,
please don't selectively edit my posts, nor try & allude to what you
think I am
saying.

I only replied to the ACTUAL words you wrote. They are still NO better.
The
whole thread is still on google if you are having trouble.

See above.

I said what I meant, so no need to second guess me, OK?

Where is the second guessing? I'm only replying to what you are still
writing. Care to put it in some other way instead?

See above.

Number of recalls alone does NOT indicate how serious they are, NOR how
serious faults from other manufacturers are, that are NOT recalled.
Every manufacturer plays a different game. GET IT?

See above.

If they go out of business and therefore no recalls at all, does that
make them the best quality by far

I don't think that such stupidity really warrants an answer, do you?

It's the implication of what YOU wrote, and therefore YOUR stupidity.
(better be careful, TT doesn't like people using that term ;-)

See above.

ruff

 

[paul packer]

On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 18:12:35 +0800, "TT" <swatter@geo.net.au> wrote:

I note the lack of a smiley so I must assume you are serious. In the
Western world Smoking has been around for centuries and medical evidence was
not available until relatively recently where as the Ford Pinto was released
in the early 70s when the manufacturer *new* it would likely kill people.

Regards TT

I've seen at least two docos where it was claimed, on good evidence,
that tobacco companies were made aware of the harmful effects of
tobacco as far back as the thirties and suppressed the evidence. And
as for smoking being around for centuries, pipes and cigars may have
been but the mass produced cigarette (complete with all chemicals) is
a relatively recent phenomenon.

I also doubt that the Ford Pinto has killed anywhere near as many
people as smoking, though I could be wrong.

 

[kyser]

"Mr. T" <mrt@home> wrote in message
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Not surprising, Holden don't recall unless absolutely necessary. They
don't even replace the real lemon's unless forced to.

See this complaint on the "Not Good Enough" website (for a Vectra) up to 11
pages so far:

http://www.notgoodenough.org/viewtopic.php?t=22312

 

[roughplanet]

"TT" <swat@swat.com.au> wrote in message
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"roughplanet" <roughplanet@optushome.com.au> wrote in message
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"Richard Freeman" <bogoff@nospam.spam> wrote in message
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: > : > >> Of course it does not always follow that a Company
: > : > >> that Recalls the most products is the company with the
: > : > >> Lesser quality product. An example is
: > : > >> Mitsubishi Motors in Japan *failed* to recall a very
: > : > >> large number of cars there for brake defects and in the
: > : > >> near future you will see some top execs going to jail over it.
: > : > >> The Japs are pretty dark on them at the moment.
: > : > >> Now I would like to raise a major point here. A *recall* is
: > : > >> to prevent a known problem from occurring and is usually
: > : > >> a safety issue and a *failure* is a breakdown in service.
: > : > >> A manufacturer that does a *voluntary recall* IMHO is
: > : > >> a quality orientated organisation.
: > : > >> If a manufacturer is *forced to do a recall* by the government
: > : > >> for safety reasons IMHO is a bit of a scumbag.

: > : Yes that was essentially the point I was making with Fluke - since
: > : no-one appears to have the clout to force Multimeter manufacturers
: > : to recall product even for potentially dangerous defects the fact
that
: > : Fluke do in fact recall their meters indicates that they are more
: > : concerned with the quality of their meters than other manufacturers.
: > : In other words the number of recalls a manufacturer makes is not
: > : necessarily inversely proportional to the quality of their product.

: > That is my belief as well. But there would be a point at which you
: > would have to say it was not. If your car/multimeter/amp/knife was
: > recalled weekly for running modifications to get it to work properly
: > your view would then seriously change ;-)
: > The difference would be a good product that needed a slight tweak
: > to a pile of rubbish that they just can't get to work as design
intended.
: > BTW read my reply to Robert below reinto

: Many years ago, I was consulting with a company who was a major new
: car seller in Melbourne, the principal of which bought himself a new
Roller,
: despite the fact that he actually hated driving (???).
: The car had 26 recalls in the first 12 months, many of which were
: unannounced & attended to during normal servicing. But being in the
trade,
: he was aware of every one of them, and the first chance he got, the
Roller
: was sold, soon after someone keyed it whilst parked in the MCG Members
: car park & the bill for the respray was almost $6000 (in 1973)!
: Where does such an example fit in? 26 recalls certainly don't constitute
'a
: slight tweak', nor was the Roller 'a pile of rubbish'. I drove it myself
a
: few times & it was without a doubt the smoothest, quietest car I have
ever
: been in. But 26 recallable items; sheesh! Even the Holdens the company
was
: selling managed only 4 recalls in a similar period. A case of the
expensive
: item not always being the best, and if judged on recalls per 12 month
: period, the pits!

Were they actual re-calls or in service fixes? A recall is a notification
sent
to the customer asking them to return the vehicle to address a known
fault.
Hence it is "Re-called".
An in service fix/upgrade is when the vehicle is returned for normal
servicing
and an upgrade is performed and quite often the customer does not know
about it. These are usually performed because it may save the car maker
money in warranty claims down the track.

In this case, because the owner of the vehicle was a Dealer Principal, he
had knowledge regarding both recalls & 'service fixes' to use your term. The
26 items included both, many of which were obvious to anyone driving the
vehicle, and so weren't able to be held over until the next service.

e.g. I was working for a Volvo dealer once

..... and you freely admit it? have you no pride TT ?

and we had to remove all LH rear axles to make sure they had been greased
at the factory because some had been missed. Mitsubishi Oz had a number of
Magna 2.6L engines made with the bottom half of #5 main crankshaft
bearing not fitted on the assembly line.

..... and problems with the auto trans (remember that embarrassing little
series of incidents when Mitsubishi Sigmas kept taking off driverless?)

ruff

 

[TT]

"roughplanet" <roughplanet@optushome.com.au> wrote in message
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"TT" <swat@swat.com.au> wrote in message
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In this case, because the owner of the vehicle was a Dealer Principal, he
had knowledge regarding both recalls & 'service fixes' to use your term.
The
26 items included both, many of which were obvious to anyone driving the
vehicle, and so weren't able to be held over until the next service.

Yep, nothing like having the inside story ;-)

e.g. I was working for a Volvo dealer once

.... and you freely admit it? have you no pride TT ?

I was 20yo, I walked straight out of my apprenticeship and the dealership

had advertised for a Honda mechanic. In those days Honda & Volvo were in
bed together. I left not long after as I really did not (and still don't)
want to work on Volvos.

and we had to remove all LH rear axles to make sure they had been
greased
at the factory because some had been missed. Mitsubishi Oz had a number
of
Magna 2.6L engines made with the bottom half of #5 main crankshaft
bearing not fitted on the assembly line.

.... and problems with the auto trans (remember that embarrassing little
series of incidents when Mitsubishi Sigmas kept taking off driverless?)

At a friends workshop that happened and it dragged a $20,000 Sun Engine

Analyser with it, out of the workshop, through the car park and across the
road until a parked car stopped it. His insurance refused to pay because
there was no driver and the accident happened on a public road not in his
workshop where it would have been covered! It was something along those
lines don't hold me to task on the exact details. All I know was it was
real mess for a long time and these guys were out of pocket - a lot.

ruff

 

[TT]

"paul packer" <packer@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message
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On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 18:12:35 +0800, "TT" <swatter@geo.net.au> wrote:


I note the lack of a smiley so I must assume you are serious. In the
Western world Smoking has been around for centuries and medical evidence
was
not available until relatively recently where as the Ford Pinto was
released
in the early 70s when the manufacturer *new* it would likely kill people.

Regards TT

I've seen at least two docos where it was claimed, on good evidence,
that tobacco companies were made aware of the harmful effects of
tobacco as far back as the thirties

I know by the 50s they had already done their own surveys and had Doctors on
their payrolls to actively suppress info.

and suppressed the evidence. And

as for smoking being around for centuries, pipes and cigars may have
been but the mass produced cigarette (complete with all chemicals) is
a relatively recent phenomenon.

Agreed.

I also doubt that the Ford Pinto has killed anywhere near as many
people as smoking, though I could be wrong.

Further to this there are documents that have been released where Ford at
Board level made the conscious decision to allow 200 people to die and to
make the compensation payouts as it was *cheaper* than to do the
modifications. If less died they made more and if more died they made less.
I think the figure was 87 (killed) so they made even more. This is the
disturbing aspect that a corporation could decide on a purely economic basis
to allow up to 200 people to die in their product when it was relatively
simple to stop it. When I use the word die, it is not a simple "Oh dear, he
just dropped dead painlessly" these people were incinerated (slowly) and the
ones that survived had horrible scarring for life.

Smoking is now a totally different issue. People are told the product is
addictive and it will kill them yet they still persist in using it. This *I
S STUPIDITY*. What is even more disturbing is the Government condones the
maiming of their citizens and penalises the rest of the population in taxes
for keeping our pathetic health system going so when stupid people get sick
they get treated! Smokers should be made to sign a stat-dec declaring any
respiratory illness or cancer they develop will be their financial
responsibility but that won't happen either.

Aaagh! Rant off!

Can we talk about hi-fi again this is depressing me :-(

Regards TT

 

[paul packer]

On Sat, 8 Jan 2005 07:44:37 +0800, "TT" <swatter@geo.net.au> wrote:

I was 20yo, I walked straight out of my apprenticeship and the dealership
had advertised for a Honda mechanic. In those days Honda & Volvo were in
bed together. I left not long after as I really did not (and still don't)
want to work on Volvos.

I hate Volvo mechanics!

 

[TT]

"paul packer" <packer@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message
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On Sat, 8 Jan 2005 07:44:37 +0800, "TT" <swatter@geo.net.au> wrote:

I was 20yo, I walked straight out of my apprenticeship and the dealership
had advertised for a Honda mechanic. In those days Honda & Volvo were in
bed together. I left not long after as I really did not (and still
don't)
want to work on Volvos.

I hate Volvo mechanics!

Lucky I aint one then ;-)

 

[Geoff C]

"Phil Allison" <philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote in
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"robert casey" <.
Phil Allison wrote:

** Focus on the 60 second "anti shock" feature - that is a non
trivial issue. Either most of the bits are not used or the data is
converted to a form of delta modulation to reduce the storage
requirement.

Think of how a digital ( no moving parts) answering machine works.


Assuming no tricks, 16 bits at 44.1KHz x 2 (for stereo)
for 60 seconds would require about 10 megabytes of memory.
That might break the budget for constructing a $30 device,
so you may be right in that they did some sort of
compression to cut storage requirements. Quality
also got cut as well..... That portable was likely
intended for use in noisy environments that would mask
the bad quality.


** For sure.

The question is what is the actual trick being used .




.............. Phil

If you can look at the o/p waveform with a CRO, I wonder if the high
frequency hash is a sawtooth with varying frequency over a sine wave
period, this could also change with source signal amplitude. This could
indicate a sigma-delta approach with severe truncation, or "chucking away
bits" as you suggested.