Personal CD player a Horror

[angelfilter]

thanka TT


"TT" <swatter@geo.net.au> wrote in message
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"robert casey" <wa2ise@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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got a hydandi for $100.00


Hydandi?

A maker of low quality cars. You paid too much....

They are currently ranked #3 in the world for quality. I believe their
corporate goal is to be #1 by 2010. For all those wondering Toyota is #1.

Regards TT

 

[KLR]

On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 11:14:52 +0800, "TT" <swatter@geo.net.au> wrote:

"robert casey" <wa2ise@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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got a hydandi for $100.00


Hydandi?

A maker of low quality cars. You paid too much....

They are currently ranked #3 in the world for quality. I believe their
corporate goal is to be #1 by 2010. For all those wondering Toyota is #1.

who is #2 ?

for that matter what is the top 10 ?

Regards TT

 

[TT]

"KLR" <kenreed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 11:14:52 +0800, "TT" <swatter@geo.net.au> wrote:


"robert casey" <wa2ise@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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got a hydandi for $100.00


Hydandi?

A maker of low quality cars. You paid too much....

They are currently ranked #3 in the world for quality. I believe their
corporate goal is to be #1 by 2010. For all those wondering Toyota is
#1.

who is #2 ?

for that matter what is the top 10 ?

I will check it out tomorrow for you as my "seminar notes" that this was

contained in is at work.

TT

 

[Mr. T]

"robert casey" <wa2ise@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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Assuming no tricks, 16 bits at 44.1KHz x 2 (for stereo)
for 60 seconds would require about 10 megabytes of memory.
That might break the budget for constructing a $30 device,
so you may be right in that they did some sort of
compression to cut storage requirements.

Yeh, 16MB, (or even 8MB) of RAM would add a couple of dollars to the price.
There goes the profit margin

MrT.

 

[Mr. T]

"TT" <swatter@geo.net.au> wrote in message
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They are currently ranked #3 in the world for quality. I believe their
corporate goal is to be #1 by 2010. For all those wondering Toyota is #1.

Interesting the way a statement can be made without challenge by providing
NO details at all.
Now if you DEFINED "quality" as used by the list maker, and then told us WHO
compiled the list, and WHERE they got their DATA, we may actually know what
you are on about.

*I* rank Hyundai much lower, and Toyota down the list a little bit.

MrT.

 

[quietguy]

While I like Toyotas, and own one, it does seem a bit of a stretch to rate them
ahead of Rolls Royce, Mercedes, BMW, Audi, Honda etc etc - but if there are any
Mercedes 6.3 or BMW series (I couldn't afford the insurance on a RR) owners out
there that want to step up in quality I might be persuaded to do a swap

David

"Mr. T" wrote:

"TT" <swatter@geo.net.au> wrote in message
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They are currently ranked #3 in the world for quality. I believe their
corporate goal is to be #1 by 2010. For all those wondering Toyota is #1.

Interesting the way a statement can be made without challenge by providing
NO details at all.
Now if you DEFINED "quality" as used by the list maker, and then told us WHO
compiled the list, and WHERE they got their DATA, we may actually know what
you are on about.

*I* rank Hyundai much lower, and Toyota down the list a little bit.

MrT.

 

[Fraser Johnston]

"robert casey" <wa2ise@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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Assuming no tricks, 16 bits at 44.1KHz x 2 (for stereo)
for 60 seconds would require about 10 megabytes of memory.
That might break the budget for constructing a $30 device,
so you may be right in that they did some sort of
compression to cut storage requirements. Quality
also got cut as well..... That portable was likely
intended for use in noisy environments that would mask
the bad quality.

I think the unit was built to a budget and not to a standard. And that is
the heart of the problem.

Fraser

 

[TT]

"quietguy" <david1133@REMOVE-TO-REPLYoptusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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While I like Toyotas, and own one, it does seem a bit of a stretch to rate
them
ahead of Rolls Royce, Mercedes, BMW, Audi, Honda etc etc - but if there
are any
Mercedes 6.3 or BMW series (I couldn't afford the insurance on a RR)
owners out
there that want to step up in quality I might be persuaded to do a swap

David

Just a few quick facts.

*Mercedes has just recalled 680,000 cars for brake failures
*Honda has recalled 1,500,000 (yes 1.5 million) cars for trans failures

BTW Quality is number of vehicles sold divided by the number of failures as
a percentage and then compared across makes.

Quote "There lies, lies, damn lies and statistics"

Regards TT

 

[TT]

"KLR" <kenreed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 11:14:52 +0800, "TT" <swatter@geo.net.au> wrote:


"robert casey" <wa2ise@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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got a hydandi for $100.00


Hydandi?

A maker of low quality cars. You paid too much....

They are currently ranked #3 in the world for quality. I believe their
corporate goal is to be #1 by 2010. For all those wondering Toyota is
#1.

who is #2 ?

for that matter what is the top 10 ?




Regards TT

Sorry I got it wrong Hyundai is #2 and I am note sure who is #3.

Regards TT

 

[quietguy]

Ahh no. You are describing reliability, and MTBF, not quality.

Quality is more about comfort, roadholding, noise levels, performance, design,
features, sophistication, but of course also includes failures etc.

David

TT wrote:

BTW Quality is number of vehicles sold divided by the number of failures as
a percentage and then compared across makes.

 

[aussieblu]

There are two of these in my household (Aistar model A5252), I
use one while roller skating around the park to listen to 70's
rock and one of my sons listens to punk rock on one. We paid
$19.99 each about a year ago when they were on sale. They work
fine for us; both CCR and Greenday sound fine. They seem to be
the same inside as dearer models we have had (Voxson and Philips
$120) and sound the same and the 15 second anti shock works
fine. Ok the design has changed since I bought ours (you get 60
secs rather than 15 secs antishock) or you got a faulty one.
Mine has a 10 digit serial number staring with 0309.

--
Regards
Blue

Remove Z from email address to reply directly.

 

[KLR]

On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 19:57:03 +0800, "TT" <swatter@geo.net.au> wrote:

"KLR" <kenreed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 11:14:52 +0800, "TT" <swatter@geo.net.au> wrote:


"robert casey" <wa2ise@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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got a hydandi for $100.00


Hydandi?

A maker of low quality cars. You paid too much....

They are currently ranked #3 in the world for quality. I believe their
corporate goal is to be #1 by 2010. For all those wondering Toyota is
#1.

who is #2 ?

for that matter what is the top 10 ?




Regards TT



Sorry I got it wrong Hyundai is #2 and I am note sure who is #3.

Regards TT

No worries

I admit I find it hard to believe - but Im not in the car industry or
have deep knowlege of vehicle manufacturers.


Thank you for the time to look it up for me though

 

[TT]

"KLR" <kenreed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 19:57:03 +0800, "TT" <swatter@geo.net.au> wrote:


"KLR" <kenreed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 11:14:52 +0800, "TT" <swatter@geo.net.au> wrote:


"robert casey" <wa2ise@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:4qJBd.11265$qf5.4025@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...

got a hydandi for $100.00


Hydandi?

A maker of low quality cars. You paid too much....

They are currently ranked #3 in the world for quality. I believe
their
corporate goal is to be #1 by 2010. For all those wondering Toyota is
#1.

who is #2 ?

for that matter what is the top 10 ?




Regards TT



Sorry I got it wrong Hyundai is #2 and I am note sure who is #3.

Regards TT



No worries

I admit I find it hard to believe - but Im not in the car industry or
have deep knowlege of vehicle manufacturers.


Thank you for the time to look it up for me though


Hyundai wants to emulate the Japanese experience. They mass produce a

small, cheap pile of rubbish, refine it over time, add more models, grow the
product range and then make it a world class product.

Take Honda for instance. When you look at their NSX, S2000 or Legend it is
hard to believe that in the early seventies they were making a "Shitbox"
called a N360 Scamp. http://www.supercars.net/cars/1967@$Honda@$N360x.html
which was powered by a 360cc (can of Coke 375cc) twin cylinder, air cooled
motorcycle based engine and was a two door death trap. They sold heaps to -
Very cheap. They then release their Civics which were by comparison light
years ahead and took the World by storm and the rest is history.

Hyundai started with their Excel and this is what people still remember
today and yes it to was a "shitbox" to. It's hard to think that someone
like VW that started with the Beetle now makes cars like Audi and the
Bugatti Veyron
http://www.fantasycars.com/1/2001/Bugatti1001/bugatti1001.html the world's
first production Megawatt car 1001Kw with a W16 engine! That's 2 narrow V,
V8s Siamesed together on a single crankshaft to form a "W" and then they
add 4 superchargers, several camshafts some electronics and a very trick 7
speed electronic controlled manual transmission (that had much of the
development work done here in Australia) make it do 400+kph and sell it for
approx A$2,000,000.

Even hi-fi has been the same. When I grew up stuff from Nippon was referred
to as "Jap-Crap" now they make some of the most sort after electronic stuff
in the world as to with Taiwanese gear no one bought theirs either but now
who makes a lot of the real good computer stuff?

Just wait and see what will come out of China in the next couple of years
and how prices of stuff will fall. We live in interesting times ;-)

Regards TT

 

[Ayn Marx]

TT wrote:
Cars,cars,cars,cars..........interesting how the only off-topic topic
that really gets you boys going is cars. I'm not impressed with any of
your recommendations however & will keep the MG.

V18 & 400KMH ? Where the hell are the roads that could take such a
thing? Not even the autobahns would be safe. Maybe they make them for
oil shieks to mount in their living rooms to masturbate over. Strange
species the human male.

 

[paul packer]

On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 06:30:34 +0800, "TT" <swatter@geo.net.au> wrote:

Hyundai started with their Excel and this is what people still remember
today and yes it to was a "shitbox" to.

Well, my mother had an Excel for 7 years and though it was noisy and
rattley she never had any real trouble with it. I read in a car "Best
Buys" once that it's easy to come to believe the Excel is
indestructible, and that was her experience. Not bad for a "shitbox".

 

[paul packer]

On 4 Jan 2005 14:54:16 -0800, "Ayn Marx" <mdhjwh@iprimus.com.au>
wrote:

Maybe they make them for
oil shieks to mount in their living rooms to masturbate over.

That's a truly horrible image.

 

[robert casey]

Take Honda for instance. When you look at their NSX, S2000 or Legend it is
hard to believe that in the early seventies they were making a "Shitbox"
called a N360 Scamp. http://www.supercars.net/cars/1967@$Honda@$N360x.html
which was powered by a 360cc (can of Coke 375cc) twin cylinder, air cooled
motorcycle based engine and was a two door death trap. They sold heaps to -
Very cheap.

I don't remember ever seeing those in the USA. But the American
government's Dept of Transportation has regulations on the minimum
size and on other specs of cars sold in the USA can be. I did see some
really tiny cars when I visited Japan about ten years ago.
They then release their Civics which were by comparison light

years ahead and took the World by storm and the rest is history.

Hyundai started with their Excel

Maybe had they not named it after a Microsoft software package
it might have been better....

Buying a car is a bigger risk in terms of getting
stuck with a lemon, vs some other product like say
an amplifier. A bad amplifier is easier to "write
off" than a bad car. Hyundai has a crap reputation
in the USA and I'd just as soon get a Toyota as the
ones I've have/had never died on the road. Customers
really dislike getting stranded by a broken down car,
something the American car makers in the '70's didn't
really appreciate. American car quality really sucked
in the 70's, and they got blown out of the water when
the Japanese cars arrived. The Excel made the Ford Pinto
look good....

 

[Bazil]

Ayn Marx wrote:

TT wrote:
Cars,cars,cars,cars..........interesting how the only off-topic topic
that really gets you boys going is cars. I'm not impressed with any of
your recommendations however & will keep the MG.

V18 & 400KMH ? Where the hell are the roads that could take such a
thing? Not even the autobahns would be safe. Maybe they make them for
oil shieks to mount in their living rooms to masturbate over. Strange
species the human male.

And I was never into dolls, human or plastic...



Bryan

 

[Wayne Reid]

"quietguy" <david1133@REMOVE-TO-REPLYoptusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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Ahh no. You are describing reliability, and MTBF, not quality.

Quality is more about comfort, roadholding, noise levels, performance,
design,
features, sophistication, but of course also includes failures etc.

David

TT wrote:


BTW Quality is number of vehicles sold divided by the number of
failures as
a percentage and then compared across makes.

Not sure that http://www.iso.org/iso/en/iso9000-14000/iso9000/qmp.html
mentions that leather seats or bidy dampening as quality requirements. Nor
does it mention any equations containing vehicular quanities or otherwise.

Quality (in the context being discussed) is described in the link above (not
that anyone here would be greatly interested). The common misconception is
that the level of luxury equates in some way to the quality of the unit.

In the hi-fi world we may consider the musicality of the equipment, or the
transparency, low measures of distortion etc. to be evidence of quality.
Manufacturers on the other hand would be counting the number of units that
test OK at the end of the production line, and the number of after sales
services that need to be provided.

Phil's CD player may sound pretty crappy, and he may have identified the
design limitations that cause the poor audio reproduction, and this may
prove without doubt that the unit is not fit for his listening pleasure, but
TT's analogies with the car industry are valid, and these examples tell us
that quality is not measured by how the item works, as opposed to whether it
works as designed.

I'm entering dangerous waters here, but you can all see that deep down, TT
is really in total agreement with Phil by the way he added so much to this
thread.

WR

 

[Phil Allison]

"Wayne Reid"

In the hi-fi world we may consider the musicality of the equipment, or the
transparency, low measures of distortion etc. to be evidence of quality.
Manufacturers on the other hand would be counting the number of units that
test OK at the end of the production line, and the number of after sales
services that need to be provided.

** The word "quality" has several meanings, not one - as a good dictionary
will confirm. Which meaning applies depends on analysing the context of its
usage - as with most words.

Phil's CD player may sound pretty crappy,

** Never my player - a friend's.

and he may have identified the
design limitations that cause the poor audio reproduction, and this may
prove without doubt that the unit is not fit for his listening pleasure,
but
TT's analogies with the car industry are valid, and these examples tell us
that quality is not measured by how the item works, as opposed to whether
it
works as designed.

** That is only *one* meaning of "quality" - the one quality control
folk use, their aim is to minimise variations in something's
characteristics or qualities. Sameness and conformity to a reference
standard are the ideals.

The far more common meaning of the word "quality" refers to "character with
respect to excellence, fitness etc or grade of excellence" also " high
grade " ( Macquarie )

In this context and when referring to hi-fi, "quality" means well made and
with high performance.




............. Phil