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Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote in
news:qmseev$1elp$1@gioia.aioe.org:

They actually have a 6L, 10L or 15L hot tank inside and Always
wrong is just too clueless to know this.

Martin Brown, jumping on the immature retard moniker user list, has
clarified for the group that his behavior qualifies him as nothing
more than a total, BLOODY piece of shit.

Sure, there are units with small storage tanks incorporated.

That is NOT what I saw in use. These have a total volume less than
that of a quart of water, and mount directly on the line under the
sink and fire up when the tap is turned on.

Real simple, you fucking simpleton motherfucker.

If the product he
described existed in the US then he would be able to point to an
example of it.

The items you mention are referred to as mini-tank water heaters.

The INSTANT water heaters I refer to have no tanks.

Thanks for playing though, putz.

For the jumping onto the retarded immature moniker bandwagon
though... for that, you reveal to us all that you are a total piece
of shit, just like them.

 

Whoey Louie <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in news:aeb802db-50f7-457d-
b0d9-06a4e03e0414@googlegroups.com:

BTW, what's so special about heating water for bathrooms? You
could
just store energy at the lower night rate from the grid and use
it to power many things.

I already said it could be used for several of a facility's lower
power needs.

Again, you are sporting your immature behavior of NOT reading what
is posted, yet you want to spout off with your petty bullshit. More
proof that you are nothing more than a hateful little elementary
school playground bully wannabe mentallity twerp. And that is all
you will ever be. That and so fat you haven't seen your clitdick in
over a decade. Doesn't all those fat folds STINK, boy?

 

<TraitorTard4@optonline.net> wrote in news:aeb802db-50f7-457d-b0d9-
06a4e03e0414@googlegroups.com:

Someone was posting here the other
day about a 1.5 gigawatt solar installation, so I guess it would
have
to be a battery bigger than that,

You do a lot of guessing, child.

Your problem is that you only have the aptitude to play with your
feces. You should stop posting in the adult forums of Usenet and go
back to your room, so you can get back to your favorite pastime.

You stink, boy.

You cannot even get the area right or the math on a single building
with 72 sinks and ten showers. Now you want to declare that each
building should have a 1.5GW solar array on it.

You are a clueless little piece of shit running around a technical
Usenet news group as if you have even half a modicum of brains about
anything, much less science or adult mature behavior.

Go away, little boy.

 

<TraitorTard4@optonline.net> wrote in news:aeb802db-50f7-457d-b0d9-
06a4e03e0414@googlegroups.com:

I can only go by what you said and you said just plug it in.....

So you think a bathroom with 6 sinks across it has six 1200W outlets
wired up under it? You ain't real bright.

These were not retrofitted you retarded twit. They are all hard
wired new installs at the time the building was erected. There are no
plugs.

The part that 'just gets plugged in' is the battery feed to them.

You are one retarded fuck.

 

<TraitorTard4@optonline.net> wrote in news:aeb802db-50f7-457d-b0d9-
06a4e03e0414@googlegroups.com:

Of course nothing will ever fail with 70 on-demand water heaters,
your battery banks and associated gear.....

They all work just fine as they are currently.

Switching them over would not be that hard. A water heater tank
element works on DC or AC.

Your brain needs a couple trillion more functioning neurons as the
mere two neurons you currently have 'working' are failing you.

 

Whoey Louie <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in
news:aeb802db-50f7-457d-b0d9-06a4e03e0414@googlegroups.com:

> Your battery bank has to go somewhere,

Dance, motherfucker, dance.

You act just like Trump does when actual facts face him.

still waiting for you to
tell us where and how much space it will take up.

No. You barked off, talking out of your ass again, about it being
in the bathroom and no space for it there. So I ASKED YOU to state
just what YOU think it would take up. Response: Crickets.

Usually
facilities, like rest rooms, don't just have spare rooms waiting
to become battery banks.

Spare rooms? You really are a modern day nit wit taking stabs at
trying to get anything right.

What are you mumbling about now, boy? Spare rooms.
Bwuahahahaha!

 

[Whoey Louie]

On Monday, September 30, 2019 at 4:30:30 AM UTC-4, Martin Brown wrote:

On 29/09/2019 22:24, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Sunday, September 29, 2019 at 11:40:02 AM UTC-4, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote in
news:qmqi8r$128a$1@gioia.aioe.org:

Space and water heating are both more cost effective using gas.


No one argued that. EVER.

I was talking about saving a company money where they already have
under sink POU (POINT OF USE) HWOD units. Those are ALL electrically
fired, and yes, a properly configured unit CAN deliver hot water with
only 1200 watts.

It all depends on your definition of hot and what flow rate is acceptable.
In a previous post you claimed near boiling water was needed for sanitary
reasons. You'd get a tiny trickle at that delta. Of course no one but you thinks
they need near boiling water. A sink would have a trickle with a 60F delta
at only 1200W. Such a unit sounds like one for somebody who's stuck with
an existing 15A outlet and has no choice or where the incoming water is
already 70F and they only want 100F water.

They actually have a 6L, 10L or 15L hot tank inside and Always wrong is
just too clueless to know this.

Good point. Yes, I've seen those, small tank type heaters for point of use.
And maybe that's what he's confusing with on-demand.


If the product he described existed in

the US then he would be able to point to an example of it.

Or perhaps US water has a different heat capacity to that in the ROW?

Here is an example from the UK 2kW and 10L tank.

https://www.heatandplumb.com/acatalog/ariston-andris-lux-10l-under-sink-unvented-electric-water-heater-3100306

I could not find one in the UK with as low a power as 1200W the most
feeble cheap and nasty one I could find was 1.5kW with 6L tank.


https://www.screwfix.com/p/redring-ms6-undersink-stored-water-heater-1-5kw-6ltr/5314P

Always wrong is as ever always wrong.

They are HWOD so long as they are in steady use, but if there is a
sudden burst of activity the hot water very quickly runs out.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

Yes, you have full temp hot water as long as there is intermittent use
that allows for recovery. Use it more than that and the temp drops.
Use it continuously and with his 1200W you could do about 35F delta
at a liter a minute.

 

[Whoey Louie]

On Monday, September 30, 2019 at 4:55:35 AM UTC-4, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

TraitorTard4@optonline.net> wrote in news:aeb802db-50f7-457d-b0d9-
06a4e03e0414@googlegroups.com:

Of course nothing will ever fail with 70 on-demand water heaters,
your battery banks and associated gear.....


They all work just fine as they are currently.

Switching them over would not be that hard. A water heater tank
element works on DC or AC.

Say what? Throughout this thread you've referred to this as on-demand
hot water. Now you appear to have just shifted to saying that they are
actually small tank type. Martin was right, you're confused again.

point-of-use water heater <> on-demand water heater

The former can be on-demand or small tank type. I've had point-of-use
tank type for a hot water dispenser to make tea at the kitchen sink.
It's not on-demand, the tank is hot all the time and it can't supply
endless hot water.

 

[Whoey Louie]

On Monday, September 30, 2019 at 5:32:20 AM UTC-4, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote in
news:qmseev$1elp$1@gioia.aioe.org:

They actually have a 6L, 10L or 15L hot tank inside and Always
wrong is just too clueless to know this.

Martin Brown, jumping on the immature retard moniker user list, has
clarified for the group that his behavior qualifies him as nothing
more than a total, BLOODY piece of shit.

Sure, there are units with small storage tanks incorporated.

That is NOT what I saw in use. These have a total volume less than
that of a quart of water, and mount directly on the line under the
sink and fire up when the tap is turned on.

Real simple, you fucking simpleton motherfucker.

If the product he
described existed in the US then he would be able to point to an
example of it.

The items you mention are referred to as mini-tank water heaters.

The INSTANT water heaters I refer to have no tanks.

OK, then per the simple physics, with 1200W, all they can do is
achieve about a 35F delta at a liter a minute. A liter a minute is
a small stream, barely enough to wash your hands, it's already the
annoyingly slow rate. That doesn't square with your other claim,
which is that near boiling water is needed, which of course isn't
true. Unless you're somewhere that has incoming cold water
at room temperature, your 1200W on-demand isn't going to get water
more than barely warm. Many areas have incoming water in the 40s in
winter. If the water is 45F, you'd heat it to just 80F. That's
better than 45F when you put your hands under it, but it's not
the "hot water" that you insist is needed.

Which of course is the big problem with electric on-demand they
need a lot of amps to be able to deliver realistic rates for most
applications and why nat gas is way better for on-demand.

Thanks for playing though, putz.

For the jumping onto the retarded immature moniker bandwagon
though... for that, you reveal to us all that you are a total piece
of shit, just like them.

Martin is right on the facts.

 

[Whoey Louie]

On Monday, September 30, 2019 at 4:59:16 AM UTC-4, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

TraitorTard4@optonline.net> wrote in news:aeb802db-50f7-457d-b0d9-
06a4e03e0414@googlegroups.com:


I can only go by what you said and you said just plug it in.....

So you think a bathroom with 6 sinks across it has six 1200W outlets
wired up under it? You ain't real bright.

You are the one who said just "plug it in".

These were not retrofitted you retarded twit. They are all hard
wired new installs at the time the building was erected. There are no
plugs.

Interesting that you're saying that now, after I brought up that is
how they would typically be wired. PS: That increases the cost for
your battery retrofit. And if the concern is electric cost, why do
that, which only reduces electric rate to the night rate, instead of
putting solar on the roof that can reduce it to zero net usage?

The part that 'just gets plugged in' is the battery feed to them.

You are one retarded fuck.

I haven't seen large storage batteries that are plugged in. But then
you haven't said what batteries you're proposing to use, how large they
are, where they will go, how much they cost. A data sheet showing this
plug-in battery would be a start.

 

[Whoey Louie]

On Monday, September 30, 2019 at 5:37:05 AM UTC-4, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote in news:qmseev
$1elp$1@gioia.aioe.org:

They are HWOD so long as they are in steady use, but if there is a
sudden burst of activity the hot water very quickly runs out.

Laughable stupidity there, putz.

What is laughable is that your 1200W on-demand water heater can only
do a 35F delta at about a liter a minute. A liter a minute is already
an annoyingly small stream for washing your hands. With incoming water
of 45F, which is common in much of the US in winter, you'd have 80F
"hot" water. IT's better than 45F, for sure, but it doesn't meet your
requirements for hot water either, at one point you said it needs to
be near boiling.

HWOD, by definition, is meant to fulfill 'sudden burst' demand.
That makes your crack even more stupid than the dipshit you are trying
to back up.

With units on every sink, the only think in danger of 'running out'
during one of your precious 'sudden burst' events is the patience of a
circuit breaker.

Say what? That's a whole new area. Why would a circuit breaker need
patience? You just claimed these are not plug-ins, (but first you claimed
they were). You just said they are hard wired in. So, how is it that a hard
wired 1200W load, or any load that's wired to code, needs the 'patience
of the circuit breaker'?

wrong, always wrong

 

[Whoey Louie]

On Monday, September 30, 2019 at 5:07:10 AM UTC-4, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

TraitorTard4@optonline.net> wrote in news:aeb802db-50f7-457d-b0d9-
06a4e03e0414@googlegroups.com:

Someone was posting here the other
day about a 1.5 gigawatt solar installation, so I guess it would
have
to be a battery bigger than that,

You do a lot of guessing, child.

Your problem is that you only have the aptitude to play with your
feces. You should stop posting in the adult forums of Usenet and go
back to your room, so you can get back to your favorite pastime.

You stink, boy.

You cannot even get the area right or the math on a single building
with 72 sinks and ten showers. Now you want to declare that each
building should have a 1.5GW solar array on it.

Oh no, not at all. I just tossed that out because you said it was
impossible for solar electric to be able to handle some rest rooms.
That largest array is 1.5GW, so you must think water heating for your
70 sinks would take more than that. But here, I'll help you out.
You say these heaters use just 1200W. So, let's use your 1200W.
Let's take the largest number
you came up with 70 sinks. 1200x70 = 84KW. A solar panel produces
about 320W, so that would take about 260 panels. But that's only if
you insisted on meeting absolute worst case peak, with all 70 sink
heaters on at the same time. There is no need to size it for that,
it only needs to be sized to equal the average energy used by those
sinks. So, take the usage over a year, size it to equal that many
Kwh. It will in most cases be much smaller, maybe only a quarter,
maybe a third. So you have a max number of 260 panels for peak,
but really only need maybe 100. Nothing exceptional about that.
And then you're energy cost isn't the night rate, it's zero or close to it.
And if you oversize it, the solar will just offset other electric usage
at the facility, cutting that portion to zero too. Sure looks
better than a battery bank.

 

[Whoey Louie]

On Monday, September 30, 2019 at 4:51:51 AM UTC-4, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

Whoey Louie <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in
news:aeb802db-50f7-457d-b0d9-06a4e03e0414@googlegroups.com:

Your battery bank has to go somewhere,

Dance, motherfucker, dance.

You act just like Trump does when actual facts face him.

still waiting for you to
tell us where and how much space it will take up.

No. You barked off, talking out of your ass again, about it being
in the bathroom and no space for it there. So I ASKED YOU to state
just what YOU think it would take up. Response: Crickets.

Usually
facilities, like rest rooms, don't just have spare rooms waiting
to become battery banks.

Spare rooms? You really are a modern day nit wit taking stabs at
trying to get anything right.

You are the one that claimed this was a great idea. So, you should know
the space required for the batteries and their cost. Yet here you are
asking me. So, if we have a restroom where the energy usage amounts
to anything significant it will be larger ones. Let's say I have a
restroom with eight sinks. How much space does the battery bank take?
You also talked about showers, how much battery space per shower and
where do they go? Cost?

What are you mumbling about now, boy? Spare rooms.
Bwuahahahaha!

Well, obviously the batteries have to go somewhere.....? I can tell you
where solar panels would go, on the roof.

 

Whoey Louie <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in news:151f1dab-e1bd-4407-
90ea-3381c139f065@googlegroups.com:

I can tell you
where solar panels would go, on the roof.

Wow... are you a whole eleven years old, child?

Your sentence is lame again too, child.

The group does not need an illiterate child trying to tell folks
where solar panel installations get placed.

I am sure everyone thought it was the basement until you and your
infinite wisdom came along.

What a joke you are.

 

Whoey Louie <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in
news:3ec8c926-bbcc-4bd4-b115-b3e3f5382c0a@googlegroups.com:

On Monday, September 30, 2019 at 4:55:35 AM UTC-4,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
TraitorTard4@optonline.net> wrote in
news:aeb802db-50f7-457d-b0d9- 06a4e03e0414@googlegroups.com:

Of course nothing will ever fail with 70 on-demand water
heaters, your battery banks and associated gear.....


They all work just fine as they are currently.

Switching them over would not be that hard. A water heater
tank
element works on DC or AC.

Say what? Throughout this thread you've referred to this as
on-demand hot water.

Yes, idiot. That is what it is about.

Now you appear to have just shifted to
saying that they are actually small tank type.

Nope. But the heaters are exactly the same, so you again have
reading comprehension issues.

The ELEMENT works on AC or DV. The ELEMENT is the same as those on
electrically fired tank units.

You are one thick skulled retard, boy.

Martin was right,
you're confused again.

No, dumbfuck. You are confused. Enough so that you are stupid
enough to think he is backing you.

point-of-use water heater <> on-demand water heater

The former can be on-demand or small tank type.

HWOD can be small tank type as well. BOTH can be AT the point of
use, you retarded fuck.

The units to which I refer are POINT OF USE HOT WATER ON DEMAND
INLINE units.

You lose. Get over it.

I've had
point-of-use tank type for a hot water dispenser to make tea at
the kitchen sink.

You are a total fucking retard at ANY location.

It's not on-demand, the tank is hot all the time
and it can't supply endless hot water.

That IS on demand until and unless the demand exceeds the capacity.

You really are stupid at math as well.

 

Whoey Louie <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in news:c2ca847a-9601-4697-
b227-265fdd5bec55@googlegroups.com:

> I haven't seen large storage batteries that are plugged in.

Your brain is bent over the phrase "plugged in". Get over it, child.
It is not a reference to residential wall outlets you STUPID FUCK.

 

Whoey Louie <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in news:c2ca847a-9601-4697-
b227-265fdd5bec55@googlegroups.com:

You are the one who said just "plug it in".

Plug in the DC supply you retarded fuck. The units are all already
in place.

It was obviously euphemistic to anyone with half a brain reading it.

But you being a mere slut shat feces wad got bent on it.

You lose again.

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Tuesday, October 1, 2019 at 12:01:01 PM UTC+10, k...@notreal.com wrote:

On Mon, 30 Sep 2019 06:52:03 -0000 (UTC), Jasen Betts
jasen@xnet.co.nz> wrote:

On 2019-09-30, krw@notreal.com <krw@notreal.com> wrote:

Hot water is SOFTER than cold water. Period. I never said it
matched softened water, which you'll undoubtedly barf off about next.

Wow, AlwaysWrong. Hot water has less calcium carbonate (with a few
other carbonates) in it than cold water?

no, it has much less calcium bicarbonate, calcium carbonate is
insoluble, both have essentially none of that.

When you heat the water,
where does the calcium go?

Mostly it sticks to the hot part of the boiler - the heating element, or
flame tube, whatever.

You're as dumb as AlwaysWrong.

Krw demonstrates that he is not only dumber than DLUNU, but also totally incapable of recognising that he has screwed up. Not exactly surprising, but he rarely quite so obviously wrong, and quite so obviously blind to it.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

On Mon, 30 Sep 2019 06:52:03 -0000 (UTC), Jasen Betts
<jasen@xnet.co.nz> wrote:

On 2019-09-30, krw@notreal.com <krw@notreal.com> wrote:

Hot water is SOFTER than cold water. Period. I never said it
matched softened water, which you'll undoubtedly barf off about next.

Wow, AlwaysWrong. Hot water has less calcium carbonate (with a few
other carbonates) in it than cold water?

no, it has much less calcium bicarbonate, calcium carbonate is
insoluble, both have essentially none of that.

When you heat the water,
where does the calcium go?

Mostly it sticks to the hot part of the boiler - the heating element, or
flame tube, whatever.

You're as dumb as AlwaysWrong.

 

krw@notreal.com wrote in
news:8qc5pettiho755ah1962mdrtsg75ibd9p7@4ax.com:

On Mon, 30 Sep 2019 06:52:03 -0000 (UTC), Jasen Betts
jasen@xnet.co.nz> wrote:

On 2019-09-30, krw@notreal.com <krw@notreal.com> wrote:

Hot water is SOFTER than cold water. Period. I never said it
matched softened water, which you'll undoubtedly barf off about
next.

Wow, AlwaysWrong. Hot water has less calcium carbonate (with a
few other carbonates) in it than cold water?

no, it has much less calcium bicarbonate, calcium carbonate is
insoluble, both have essentially none of that.

When you heat the water,
where does the calcium go?

Mostly it sticks to the hot part of the boiler - the heating
element, or flame tube, whatever.

You're as dumb as AlwaysWrong.

You are fucking dumb. Known fact that hot water was "softer" than
cold, back in the days before folks had water filtration and softener
systems installed.

It has a lower surface tension and cleans better by that feature
alone.