OT: What's this type of bracket called?

[Xeno]

On 17/10/19 5:53 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:

On 17/10/2019 11:14 am, Xeno wrote:
On 17/10/19 10:45 am, Noddy wrote:
On 17/10/2019 9:44 am, Rheilly Phoull wrote:
On 16/10/2019 6:57 pm, Xeno wrote:

In my time in my trade I have performed annealing, quenching,
tempering & carburising along with many and varied welding
processes. These are simply *trade skills* that I learnt during my
high school years and during my apprenticeship. No rocket science
involved or required.


Well aren't you just the legend in your own mind. For a simple
support bracket bracket (I assume she isn't making a satellite or
whatever) it is hardly necessary to anneal or heat treat a bit of
cold formed bar or pipe to 45deg. Don't think you are the only
tradie in the group either!

Isn't he just amazing?

This is a bloke who has stated that he spent 20 years as a trade teacher

That is true. And proven.

before faking a back injury and going into early retirement, and claims

That is a figment of your imagination.

that he's "extremely trade relevant" today (his exact words) despite
not having worked in *any* trade in the last 20 years by his own
accounts.

As a *qualified tradesman*, I will *always* be more relevant to the
automotive industry than you could ever hope to be Noddy. You are just
a *pimple on the arse* of the motor trade and that is all you will
ever be. Isn't it odd how you, the person who bangs on so much about
trade relevance, aren't even qualified despite all your *claims* to
have no less than two trades under your belt. No record of any
automotive trade qualifications in your name Noddy, that says it all.

How he manages to achieve that is a complete mystery, but not nearly
as much of a mystery as his extensive knowledge of welding and metal
treatment given that his own "experience" is limited to the 5 minutes
of rudimentary welding theory he was taught as an apprentice himself

Did metallurgy studies at Uni and that, unsurprisingly, included a
welding component. I'm sure I've mentioned that previously.

Got a subject outline for that subject? I've seen literally thousands of
university academic records and I have seen subjects on metallurgy but
they did not include welding. By definition it is the study of ores and
their chemical properties and extraction.

Go ahead though and post a subject outline from one of the unis you
mentioned you attended. I'll wait.

Go to Caulfield Institute. They might have it, I no longer do. It was,
after all, some 35 years ago and was a subcomponent of my DipTT
conducted at a different institute because the one I attended, Hawthorn
Institute, didn't have the facilities.

--

Xeno


Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

 

[felix]

On 16/10/2019 8:52 pm, Noddy wrote:

On 16/10/2019 8:22 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:

Jeez!! I've never seen such a fuss about a simple bracket.
How hard could it be ??

How hard could it be to do what?

Sylvia.

I just can't understand why you just don't grab some bar or pipe and
do it. All this stuff about annealing etc. makes it into a
scientific endeavor. Do you have any experience drilling holes or
putting a bit of bar in a vice and bending it ?


I asked what it was called. Who are you to judge whether I should use
a different approach?

I don't think he/she/it/they were judging. They were just wondering
why you don't just go out and buy some steel tube or bar and make a
replacement instead of turning it into a 9 part mini series.

As you love to do....

lol! that made me laugh..


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"an irrelevant nobody pretending to be something he's not"- Clocky on noddy
"On the spot, instant, without warning, the cowards way! Your way!" - Xeno on noddy

 

[news18]

On Thu, 17 Oct 2019 16:53:46 +1000, Grumpy Tech wrote:

On 17/10/2019 11:14 am, Xeno wrote:

Did metallurgy studies at Uni and that, unsurprisingly, included a
welding component. I'm sure I've mentioned that previously.

Got a subject outline for that subject? I've seen literally thousands of
university academic records and I have seen subjects on metallurgy but
they did not include welding. By definition it is the study of ores and
their chemical properties and extraction.

Go ahead though and post a subject outline from one of the unis you
mentioned you attended. I'll wait.

I'd been very surprised if the discussion of the metallurgy of welding
didn't take place. It would have to one of the major metal treatment
prcesses in manfacturng.

And yes, it was included in the one metallury subject I did as part of my
degree engineering studies. I have no idea if there was a practical
experience requirement at by the time I took the course, I'd already done
two welding subjects at TAFE; Technical & Further Education; a college
that trains people for many apprenticships, general trades and cerificate
training; i.e the people who do the prasctical work.

 

[news18]

On Thu, 17 Oct 2019 18:19:38 +1100, Noddy wrote:

On 17/10/2019 5:53 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
On 17/10/2019 11:14 am, Xeno wrote:

How he manages to achieve that is a complete mystery, but not nearly
as much of a mystery as his extensive knowledge of welding and metal
treatment given that his own "experience" is limited to the 5 minutes
of rudimentary welding theory he was taught as an apprentice himself


Did metallurgy studies at Uni and that, unsurprisingly, included a
welding component. I'm sure I've mentioned that previously.

Got a subject outline for that subject? I've seen literally thousands
of university academic records and I have seen subjects on metallurgy
but they did not include welding. By definition it is the study of ores
and their chemical properties and extraction.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that metallurgy and welding are two separate
subjects that *aren't* studied together, and I'm also pretty sure that
he has never mentioned this previously.

Doesn't even depends on your level and purpose of training/education.
Even basic welding monkeys get some basic metallurgy instruction to drive
home the point that the act of welding is highly liable to change the
metallurgy of the metals being welded. Hint, it is first mentioned in the
reasons given for various forms of welding.

Try actually taking even a basic TAFE welding course.

 

[Xeno]

On 17/10/19 10:18 pm, news18 wrote:

On Thu, 17 Oct 2019 18:19:38 +1100, Noddy wrote:

On 17/10/2019 5:53 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
On 17/10/2019 11:14 am, Xeno wrote:

How he manages to achieve that is a complete mystery, but not nearly
as much of a mystery as his extensive knowledge of welding and metal
treatment given that his own "experience" is limited to the 5 minutes
of rudimentary welding theory he was taught as an apprentice himself


Did metallurgy studies at Uni and that, unsurprisingly, included a
welding component. I'm sure I've mentioned that previously.

Got a subject outline for that subject? I've seen literally thousands
of university academic records and I have seen subjects on metallurgy
but they did not include welding. By definition it is the study of ores
and their chemical properties and extraction.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that metallurgy and welding are two separate
subjects that *aren't* studied together, and I'm also pretty sure that
he has never mentioned this previously.

Doesn't even depends on your level and purpose of training/education.
Even basic welding monkeys get some basic metallurgy instruction to drive
home the point that the act of welding is highly liable to change the
metallurgy of the metals being welded. Hint, it is first mentioned in the
reasons given for various forms of welding.

Spot on. The purpose of the course I took was because of the requirement
of automotive teachers to teach welding in apprentice classes. I might
add, all automotive trainee teachers were required to do the course -
even the auto electricians, spray painters and parts interpreters. It
primarily covered the chemical makeup of metals, the alloying process
and metal treatments. It was where I learnt about such matters as
*elastic limits*. All 30 trainees in my intake did the course en masse
and only about 50% were motor mechanics. It was an intensive course,
everything had to be covered in a week or two since it was conducted off
campus at Caulfield Institute whereas we were all enrolled at Hawthorn
Institute, a campus of Melbourne Uni. I spent 6 years there, 2 full
time, the remainder part time.

The course didn't cover metal extraction since there was no need but,
since I had previously worked in mining, I had a pretty good handle on
that aspect of metals anyway, including crushing and separation.

Try actually taking even a basic TAFE welding course.

Well, he certainly never did an automotive apprenticeship since welding
figures rather highly in that. Ask me how I know! ;-)
Noddy continues to claim welding wasn't taught to motor mechanic
apprentices, such is his lack of awareness of the automotive industry.

The real issue here is that this is just an attempt at diversion, an
attempt to again make me the focus of attention. The bottom line, I have
the proof of my claims I was in attendance at Hawthorn Inst. That course
was run in 1982, why on earth would I keep a *subject outline* after all
this time?
Noddy, on the other hand, has never supplied proof of his claims to have
2 trade qualifications, not even to his *friends*, and that's including
those who have been regular *visitors* to his shed. Unsurprisingly,
Noddy's name does not appear in the Vic State Govt. records for trade
qualifications.


--

Xeno


Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

 

[Grumpy Tech]

On 17/10/2019 6:16 pm, Xeno wrote:

On 17/10/19 5:53 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
On 17/10/2019 11:14 am, Xeno wrote:
On 17/10/19 10:45 am, Noddy wrote:
On 17/10/2019 9:44 am, Rheilly Phoull wrote:
On 16/10/2019 6:57 pm, Xeno wrote:

In my time in my trade I have performed annealing, quenching,
tempering & carburising along with many and varied welding
processes. These are simply *trade skills* that I learnt during my
high school years and during my apprenticeship. No rocket science
involved or required.


Well aren't you just the legend in your own mind. For a simple
support bracket bracket (I assume she isn't making a satellite or
whatever) it is hardly necessary to anneal or heat treat a bit of
cold formed bar or pipe to 45deg. Don't think you are the only
tradie in the group either!

Isn't he just amazing?

This is a bloke who has stated that he spent 20 years as a trade
teacher

That is true. And proven.

before faking a back injury and going into early retirement, and claims

That is a figment of your imagination.

that he's "extremely trade relevant" today (his exact words) despite
not having worked in *any* trade in the last 20 years by his own
accounts.

As a *qualified tradesman*, I will *always* be more relevant to the
automotive industry than you could ever hope to be Noddy. You are
just a *pimple on the arse* of the motor trade and that is all you
will ever be. Isn't it odd how you, the person who bangs on so much
about trade relevance, aren't even qualified despite all your
*claims* to have no less than two trades under your belt. No record
of any automotive trade qualifications in your name Noddy, that says
it all.

How he manages to achieve that is a complete mystery, but not nearly
as much of a mystery as his extensive knowledge of welding and metal
treatment given that his own "experience" is limited to the 5
minutes of rudimentary welding theory he was taught as an apprentice
himself

Did metallurgy studies at Uni and that, unsurprisingly, included a
welding component. I'm sure I've mentioned that previously.

Got a subject outline for that subject? I've seen literally thousands
of university academic records and I have seen subjects on metallurgy
but they did not include welding. By definition it is the study of
ores and their chemical properties and extraction.

Go ahead though and post a subject outline from one of the unis you
mentioned you attended. I'll wait.

Go to Caulfield Institute. They might have it, I no longer do. It was,
after all, some 35 years ago and was a subcomponent of my DipTT
conducted at a different institute because the one I attended, Hawthorn
Institute, didn't have the facilities.

I call garbage and you know why xeno.
1. You know there is no online archive of the subject outline from your
DipTT that is accessible online hence you just say you don't have it.
2. No DipTT would include a subject of that nature. You would have done
methods of teaching, classroom management, but nothing like a subject in
metallurgy.

In fact I suggest you look at
https://digitised-collections.unimelb.edu.au/bitstream/handle/11343/24968/300372_UDS2012370-15.pdf

Starting around page 45 it outlines subjects in the DipTT. Your
explanation does not fit in with the course outline.

You really snookered yourself this time. Well done.

 

[Xeno]

On 17/10/19 11:22 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:

On 17/10/2019 6:16 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 17/10/19 5:53 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
On 17/10/2019 11:14 am, Xeno wrote:
On 17/10/19 10:45 am, Noddy wrote:
On 17/10/2019 9:44 am, Rheilly Phoull wrote:
On 16/10/2019 6:57 pm, Xeno wrote:

In my time in my trade I have performed annealing, quenching,
tempering & carburising along with many and varied welding
processes. These are simply *trade skills* that I learnt during
my high school years and during my apprenticeship. No rocket
science involved or required.


Well aren't you just the legend in your own mind. For a simple
support bracket bracket (I assume she isn't making a satellite or
whatever) it is hardly necessary to anneal or heat treat a bit of
cold formed bar or pipe to 45deg. Don't think you are the only
tradie in the group either!

Isn't he just amazing?

This is a bloke who has stated that he spent 20 years as a trade
teacher

That is true. And proven.

before faking a back injury and going into early retirement, and
claims

That is a figment of your imagination.

that he's "extremely trade relevant" today (his exact words)
despite not having worked in *any* trade in the last 20 years by
his own accounts.

As a *qualified tradesman*, I will *always* be more relevant to the
automotive industry than you could ever hope to be Noddy. You are
just a *pimple on the arse* of the motor trade and that is all you
will ever be. Isn't it odd how you, the person who bangs on so much
about trade relevance, aren't even qualified despite all your
*claims* to have no less than two trades under your belt. No record
of any automotive trade qualifications in your name Noddy, that says
it all.

How he manages to achieve that is a complete mystery, but not
nearly as much of a mystery as his extensive knowledge of welding
and metal treatment given that his own "experience" is limited to
the 5 minutes of rudimentary welding theory he was taught as an
apprentice himself

Did metallurgy studies at Uni and that, unsurprisingly, included a
welding component. I'm sure I've mentioned that previously.

Got a subject outline for that subject? I've seen literally thousands
of university academic records and I have seen subjects on metallurgy
but they did not include welding. By definition it is the study of
ores and their chemical properties and extraction.

Go ahead though and post a subject outline from one of the unis you
mentioned you attended. I'll wait.

Go to Caulfield Institute. They might have it, I no longer do. It was,
after all, some 35 years ago and was a subcomponent of my DipTT
conducted at a different institute because the one I attended,
Hawthorn Institute, didn't have the facilities.

I call garbage and you know why xeno.
1. You know there is no online archive of the subject outline from your
DipTT that is accessible online hence you just say you don't have it.
2. No DipTT would include a subject of that nature. You would have done
methods of teaching, classroom management, but nothing like a subject in
metallurgy.

What sort of clown are you? You forget one tiny detail. I studied
*Technical Teaching*. That's what the TT stands for in DipTT. It was
*logical* to study something that is in my method area. Welding and the
associated metallurgy definitely is.

In fact I suggest you look at
https://digitised-collections.unimelb.edu.au/bitstream/handle/11343/24968/300372_UDS2012370-15.pdf


Starting around page 45 it outlines subjects in the DipTT. Your
explanation does not fit in with the course outline.

You really snookered yourself this time. Well done.

Wrong year. I was there, I know *what* I studied and I know *where* I
studied it.

--

Xeno


Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

 

[Noddy]

On 17/10/2019 10:18 pm, news18 wrote:

On Thu, 17 Oct 2019 18:19:38 +1100, Noddy wrote:

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that metallurgy and welding are two separate
subjects that *aren't* studied together, and I'm also pretty sure that
he has never mentioned this previously.

Doesn't even depends on your level and purpose of training/education.
Even basic welding monkeys get some basic metallurgy instruction to drive
home the point that the act of welding is highly liable to change the
metallurgy of the metals being welded. Hint, it is first mentioned in the
reasons given for various forms of welding.

Fucking rubbish Terry

Welding courses teach you about the mechanics of *welding*. About the
different methods, and the particulars relating to each. What little you
learn about metals is limited to what welding method is most suitable to
use for a particular base material, and what particular processes are
required to achieve a satisfactory result.

Calling this *very* limited study of metals "Metallurgy" is about as
much of a nonsensical wank as owning a copy of flight simulator and
claiming that qualifies you as a commercial airline pilot

> Try actually taking even a basic TAFE welding course.

You have absolutely no fucking idea.





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--
Regards,
Noddy.

 

[Noddy]

On 17/10/2019 11:22 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:

On 17/10/2019 6:16 pm, Xeno wrote:

Go to Caulfield Institute. They might have it, I no longer do. It was,
after all, some 35 years ago and was a subcomponent of my DipTT
conducted at a different institute because the one I attended,
Hawthorn Institute, didn't have the facilities.

I call garbage and you know why xeno.
1. You know there is no online archive of the subject outline from your
DipTT that is accessible online hence you just say you don't have it.
2. No DipTT would include a subject of that nature. You would have done
methods of teaching, classroom management, but nothing like a subject in
metallurgy.

In fact I suggest you look at
https://digitised-collections.unimelb.edu.au/bitstream/handle/11343/24968/300372_UDS2012370-15.pdf


Starting around page 45 it outlines subjects in the DipTT. Your
explanation does not fit in with the course outline.

You really snookered yourself this time. Well done.

Init funny how he's prepared to go all the way to the public records
office in another *state* to try to disprove shit about me, but won't so
much as provide a basic link to back up anything he claims about himself.

Amazing, huh?

Any money you like that the FLC will have *nothing* whatsoever to say
about this latest round of bullshit from their king, but there'll be 200
posts about me full of invented pissing and moaning as usual





--
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--
Regards,
Noddy.

 

[Xeno]

On 17/10/19 11:39 pm, Noddy wrote:

On 17/10/2019 10:18 pm, news18 wrote:
On Thu, 17 Oct 2019 18:19:38 +1100, Noddy wrote:

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that metallurgy and welding are two separate
subjects that *aren't* studied together, and I'm also pretty sure that
he has never mentioned this previously.

Doesn't even depends on your level and purpose of training/education.
Even basic welding monkeys get some basic metallurgy instruction to drive
home the point that the act of welding is highly liable to change the
metallurgy of the metals being welded. Hint, it is first mentioned in the
reasons given for various forms of welding.

Fucking rubbish Terry

Welding courses teach you about the mechanics of *welding*. About the

I wasn't doing a welding course. I already knew, as do all motor
mechanics, about the *mechanics* of welding. Did that during my
apprenticeship you see. Well, you don't see since you never did any
automotive apprenticeship, except in your imagination that is.
As a teacher, I had to havea greater understanding of the subject than
the level to which I was teaching - hence metallurgy.

different methods, and the particulars relating to each. What little you
learn about metals is limited to what welding method is most suitable to
use for a particular base material, and what particular processes are
required to achieve a satisfactory result.

That might apply if what you are studying is welding as a skill.
I was studying metallurgy in order to teach welding and gain a better
understanding of metals and metalworking processes.

Calling this *very* limited study of metals "Metallurgy" is about as

Do you know what was covered? No. So how can you make such a claim?

much of a nonsensical wank as owning a copy of flight simulator and
claiming that qualifies you as a commercial airline pilot

Try actually taking even a basic TAFE welding course.

You have absolutely no fucking idea.

You certainly don't! That much is clear.

Now, if only Grumpy would apply as much scrutiny to *your claims*.

Hey, he will be in Melbourne, he could rock on down to PROV and prove
for himself that you are a liar. He has already stated that he won't be
asking you to show proof of your claims, gutless bastard that he is.


--

Xeno


Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

 

[Xeno]

On 17/10/19 11:43 pm, Noddy wrote:

On 17/10/2019 11:22 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
On 17/10/2019 6:16 pm, Xeno wrote:

Go to Caulfield Institute. They might have it, I no longer do. It
was, after all, some 35 years ago and was a subcomponent of my DipTT
conducted at a different institute because the one I attended,
Hawthorn Institute, didn't have the facilities.

I call garbage and you know why xeno.
1. You know there is no online archive of the subject outline from
your DipTT that is accessible online hence you just say you don't have
it.
2. No DipTT would include a subject of that nature. You would have
done methods of teaching, classroom management, but nothing like a
subject in metallurgy.

In fact I suggest you look at
https://digitised-collections.unimelb.edu.au/bitstream/handle/11343/24968/300372_UDS2012370-15.pdf


Starting around page 45 it outlines subjects in the DipTT. Your
explanation does not fit in with the course outline.

You really snookered yourself this time. Well done.

Init funny how he's prepared to go all the way to the public records
office in another *state* to try to disprove shit about me, but won't so
much as provide a basic link to back up anything he claims about himself.

Amazing, huh?

Any money you like that the FLC will have *nothing* whatsoever to say
about this latest round of bullshit from their king, but there'll be 200
posts about me full of invented pissing and moaning as usual

Your posts are 100% rolled gold bullshit and you *won't back your
claims*. In the case of your trade quals, it's easy to see why. You
can't back them because they were bullshit from the get go. I have no
doubt your claims of owning a business for 15 years is just as much
bullshit.


--

Xeno


Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

 

[Clocky]

On 17/10/2019 2:53 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:

On 17/10/2019 11:14 am, Xeno wrote:
On 17/10/19 10:45 am, Noddy wrote:
On 17/10/2019 9:44 am, Rheilly Phoull wrote:
On 16/10/2019 6:57 pm, Xeno wrote:

In my time in my trade I have performed annealing, quenching,
tempering & carburising along with many and varied welding
processes. These are simply *trade skills* that I learnt during my
high school years and during my apprenticeship. No rocket science
involved or required.


Well aren't you just the legend in your own mind. For a simple
support bracket bracket (I assume she isn't making a satellite or
whatever) it is hardly necessary to anneal or heat treat a bit of
cold formed bar or pipe to 45deg. Don't think you are the only
tradie in the group either!

Isn't he just amazing?

This is a bloke who has stated that he spent 20 years as a trade teacher

That is true. And proven.

before faking a back injury and going into early retirement, and claims

That is a figment of your imagination.

that he's "extremely trade relevant" today (his exact words) despite
not having worked in *any* trade in the last 20 years by his own
accounts.

As a *qualified tradesman*, I will *always* be more relevant to the
automotive industry than you could ever hope to be Noddy. You are just
a *pimple on the arse* of the motor trade and that is all you will
ever be. Isn't it odd how you, the person who bangs on so much about
trade relevance, aren't even qualified despite all your *claims* to
have no less than two trades under your belt. No record of any
automotive trade qualifications in your name Noddy, that says it all.

How he manages to achieve that is a complete mystery, but not nearly
as much of a mystery as his extensive knowledge of welding and metal
treatment given that his own "experience" is limited to the 5 minutes
of rudimentary welding theory he was taught as an apprentice himself

Did metallurgy studies at Uni and that, unsurprisingly, included a
welding component. I'm sure I've mentioned that previously.

Got a subject outline for that subject? I've seen literally thousands of
university academic records and I have seen subjects on metallurgy but
they did not include welding. By definition it is the study of ores and
their chemical properties and extraction.

Go ahead though and post a subject outline from one of the unis you
mentioned you attended. I'll wait.

Why should he hypocrite?

--

 

[Clocky]

On 17/10/2019 7:18 pm, news18 wrote:

On Thu, 17 Oct 2019 18:19:38 +1100, Noddy wrote:

On 17/10/2019 5:53 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
On 17/10/2019 11:14 am, Xeno wrote:

How he manages to achieve that is a complete mystery, but not nearly
as much of a mystery as his extensive knowledge of welding and metal
treatment given that his own "experience" is limited to the 5 minutes
of rudimentary welding theory he was taught as an apprentice himself


Did metallurgy studies at Uni and that, unsurprisingly, included a
welding component. I'm sure I've mentioned that previously.

Got a subject outline for that subject? I've seen literally thousands
of university academic records and I have seen subjects on metallurgy
but they did not include welding. By definition it is the study of ores
and their chemical properties and extraction.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that metallurgy and welding are two separate
subjects that *aren't* studied together, and I'm also pretty sure that
he has never mentioned this previously.

Doesn't even depends on your level and purpose of training/education.
Even basic welding monkeys get some basic metallurgy instruction to drive
home the point that the act of welding is highly liable to change the
metallurgy of the metals being welded. Hint, it is first mentioned in the
reasons given for various forms of welding.

Try actually taking even a basic TAFE welding course.

Curiously everyone who has completed their automotive trade studies and
apprenticeship knows what an automotive apprenticeship involves in terms
of subjects covered and what is assessed yet NoddyLiar somehow has no
idea what is required to complete an automotive trade apprenticeship.

The only reasonable explanation is that he never completed an
apprenticeship.

--

 

[Clocky]

On 17/10/2019 8:22 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:

On 17/10/2019 6:16 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 17/10/19 5:53 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
On 17/10/2019 11:14 am, Xeno wrote:
On 17/10/19 10:45 am, Noddy wrote:
On 17/10/2019 9:44 am, Rheilly Phoull wrote:
On 16/10/2019 6:57 pm, Xeno wrote:

In my time in my trade I have performed annealing, quenching,
tempering & carburising along with many and varied welding
processes. These are simply *trade skills* that I learnt during
my high school years and during my apprenticeship. No rocket
science involved or required.


Well aren't you just the legend in your own mind. For a simple
support bracket bracket (I assume she isn't making a satellite or
whatever) it is hardly necessary to anneal or heat treat a bit of
cold formed bar or pipe to 45deg. Don't think you are the only
tradie in the group either!

Isn't he just amazing?

This is a bloke who has stated that he spent 20 years as a trade
teacher

That is true. And proven.

before faking a back injury and going into early retirement, and
claims

That is a figment of your imagination.

that he's "extremely trade relevant" today (his exact words)
despite not having worked in *any* trade in the last 20 years by
his own accounts.

As a *qualified tradesman*, I will *always* be more relevant to the
automotive industry than you could ever hope to be Noddy. You are
just a *pimple on the arse* of the motor trade and that is all you
will ever be. Isn't it odd how you, the person who bangs on so much
about trade relevance, aren't even qualified despite all your
*claims* to have no less than two trades under your belt. No record
of any automotive trade qualifications in your name Noddy, that says
it all.

How he manages to achieve that is a complete mystery, but not
nearly as much of a mystery as his extensive knowledge of welding
and metal treatment given that his own "experience" is limited to
the 5 minutes of rudimentary welding theory he was taught as an
apprentice himself

Did metallurgy studies at Uni and that, unsurprisingly, included a
welding component. I'm sure I've mentioned that previously.

Got a subject outline for that subject? I've seen literally thousands
of university academic records and I have seen subjects on metallurgy
but they did not include welding. By definition it is the study of
ores and their chemical properties and extraction.

Go ahead though and post a subject outline from one of the unis you
mentioned you attended. I'll wait.

Go to Caulfield Institute. They might have it, I no longer do. It was,
after all, some 35 years ago and was a subcomponent of my DipTT
conducted at a different institute because the one I attended,
Hawthorn Institute, didn't have the facilities.

I call garbage and you know why xeno.
1. You know there is no online archive of the subject outline from your
DipTT that is accessible online hence you just say you don't have it.
2. No DipTT would include a subject of that nature. You would have done
methods of teaching, classroom management, but nothing like a subject in
metallurgy.

In fact I suggest you look at
https://digitised-collections.unimelb.edu.au/bitstream/handle/11343/24968/300372_UDS2012370-15.pdf


Starting around page 45 it outlines subjects in the DipTT. Your
explanation does not fit in with the course outline.

You really snookered yourself this time. Well done.

You call this "snookered" but for the lack of evidence of NoddyLiar's
two big claims you don't even dare question him.

Pathetic.

--

 

[Clocky]

On 17/10/2019 8:39 pm, Xeno wrote:

On 17/10/19 11:22 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
On 17/10/2019 6:16 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 17/10/19 5:53 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
On 17/10/2019 11:14 am, Xeno wrote:
On 17/10/19 10:45 am, Noddy wrote:
On 17/10/2019 9:44 am, Rheilly Phoull wrote:
On 16/10/2019 6:57 pm, Xeno wrote:

In my time in my trade I have performed annealing, quenching,
tempering & carburising along with many and varied welding
processes. These are simply *trade skills* that I learnt during
my high school years and during my apprenticeship. No rocket
science involved or required.


Well aren't you just the legend in your own mind. For a simple
support bracket bracket (I assume she isn't making a satellite or
whatever) it is hardly necessary to anneal or heat treat a bit of
cold formed bar or pipe to 45deg. Don't think you are the only
tradie in the group either!

Isn't he just amazing?

This is a bloke who has stated that he spent 20 years as a trade
teacher

That is true. And proven.

before faking a back injury and going into early retirement, and
claims

That is a figment of your imagination.

that he's "extremely trade relevant" today (his exact words)
despite not having worked in *any* trade in the last 20 years by
his own accounts.

As a *qualified tradesman*, I will *always* be more relevant to the
automotive industry than you could ever hope to be Noddy. You are
just a *pimple on the arse* of the motor trade and that is all you
will ever be. Isn't it odd how you, the person who bangs on so much
about trade relevance, aren't even qualified despite all your
*claims* to have no less than two trades under your belt. No record
of any automotive trade qualifications in your name Noddy, that
says it all.

How he manages to achieve that is a complete mystery, but not
nearly as much of a mystery as his extensive knowledge of welding
and metal treatment given that his own "experience" is limited to
the 5 minutes of rudimentary welding theory he was taught as an
apprentice himself

Did metallurgy studies at Uni and that, unsurprisingly, included a
welding component. I'm sure I've mentioned that previously.

Got a subject outline for that subject? I've seen literally
thousands of university academic records and I have seen subjects on
metallurgy but they did not include welding. By definition it is the
study of ores and their chemical properties and extraction.

Go ahead though and post a subject outline from one of the unis you
mentioned you attended. I'll wait.

Go to Caulfield Institute. They might have it, I no longer do. It
was, after all, some 35 years ago and was a subcomponent of my DipTT
conducted at a different institute because the one I attended,
Hawthorn Institute, didn't have the facilities.

I call garbage and you know why xeno.
1. You know there is no online archive of the subject outline from
your DipTT that is accessible online hence you just say you don't have
it.
2. No DipTT would include a subject of that nature. You would have
done methods of teaching, classroom management, but nothing like a
subject in metallurgy.

What sort of clown are you? You forget one tiny detail. I studied
*Technical Teaching*. That's what the TT stands for in DipTT. It was
*logical* to study something that is in my method area. Welding and the
associated metallurgy definitely is.

In fact I suggest you look at
https://digitised-collections.unimelb.edu.au/bitstream/handle/11343/24968/300372_UDS2012370-15.pdf


Starting around page 45 it outlines subjects in the DipTT. Your
explanation does not fit in with the course outline.

You really snookered yourself this time. Well done.

Wrong year. I was there, I know *what* I studied and I know *where* I
studied it.

And given that you have provided 100% verifiable proof that crosschecks
over decades of everything else you say you have done, have worked and
are qualified for there's a good chance that is the truth as well.

Now, let's compare the evidence of NoddyLiar's two big claims...

 

[Grumpy Tech]

On 17/10/2019 11:20 pm, Clocky wrote:

On 17/10/2019 2:53 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
On 17/10/2019 11:14 am, Xeno wrote:
On 17/10/19 10:45 am, Noddy wrote:
On 17/10/2019 9:44 am, Rheilly Phoull wrote:
On 16/10/2019 6:57 pm, Xeno wrote:

In my time in my trade I have performed annealing, quenching,
tempering & carburising along with many and varied welding
processes. These are simply *trade skills* that I learnt during my
high school years and during my apprenticeship. No rocket science
involved or required.


Well aren't you just the legend in your own mind. For a simple
support bracket bracket (I assume she isn't making a satellite or
whatever) it is hardly necessary to anneal or heat treat a bit of
cold formed bar or pipe to 45deg. Don't think you are the only
tradie in the group either!

Isn't he just amazing?

This is a bloke who has stated that he spent 20 years as a trade
teacher

That is true. And proven.

before faking a back injury and going into early retirement, and claims

That is a figment of your imagination.

that he's "extremely trade relevant" today (his exact words) despite
not having worked in *any* trade in the last 20 years by his own
accounts.

As a *qualified tradesman*, I will *always* be more relevant to the
automotive industry than you could ever hope to be Noddy. You are
just a *pimple on the arse* of the motor trade and that is all you
will ever be. Isn't it odd how you, the person who bangs on so much
about trade relevance, aren't even qualified despite all your
*claims* to have no less than two trades under your belt. No record
of any automotive trade qualifications in your name Noddy, that says
it all.

How he manages to achieve that is a complete mystery, but not nearly
as much of a mystery as his extensive knowledge of welding and metal
treatment given that his own "experience" is limited to the 5
minutes of rudimentary welding theory he was taught as an apprentice
himself

Did metallurgy studies at Uni and that, unsurprisingly, included a
welding component. I'm sure I've mentioned that previously.

Got a subject outline for that subject? I've seen literally thousands
of university academic records and I have seen subjects on metallurgy
but they did not include welding. By definition it is the study of
ores and their chemical properties and extraction.

Go ahead though and post a subject outline from one of the unis you
mentioned you attended. I'll wait.


Why should he hypocrite?

Pot kettle black

 

[Xeno]

On 18/10/19 12:27 am, Clocky wrote:

On 17/10/2019 7:18 pm, news18 wrote:
On Thu, 17 Oct 2019 18:19:38 +1100, Noddy wrote:

On 17/10/2019 5:53 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
On 17/10/2019 11:14 am, Xeno wrote:

How he manages to achieve that is a complete mystery, but not nearly
as much of a mystery as his extensive knowledge of welding and metal
treatment given that his own "experience" is limited to the 5 minutes
of rudimentary welding theory he was taught as an apprentice himself


Did metallurgy studies at Uni and that, unsurprisingly, included a
welding component. I'm sure I've mentioned that previously.

Got a subject outline for that subject? I've seen literally thousands
of university academic records and I have seen subjects on metallurgy
but they did not include welding. By definition it is the study of ores
and their chemical properties and extraction.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that metallurgy and welding are two separate
subjects that *aren't* studied together, and I'm also pretty sure that
he has never mentioned this previously.

Doesn't even depends on your level and purpose of training/education.
Even basic welding monkeys get some basic metallurgy instruction to drive
home the point that the act of welding is highly liable to change the
metallurgy of the metals being welded. Hint, it is first mentioned in the
reasons given for various forms of welding.

Try actually taking even a basic TAFE welding course.



Curiously everyone who has completed their automotive trade studies and
apprenticeship knows what an automotive apprenticeship involves in terms
of subjects covered and what is assessed yet NoddyLiar somehow has no
idea what is required to complete an automotive trade apprenticeship.

The only reasonable explanation is that he never completed an
apprenticeship.

I am beginning to think he never even started one. By that I am
referring to the AME(engines) apprenticeship of which he claims to have
completed 3 years. He hasn't even a grasp of *first year fundamentals*
in engines. There is another facet however and that is the entry level
into that trade. For most trades, the entry level was good passes in
year 9 in relevant subjects. By his own admission, Noddy skipped the
last 3 months of year 9. That means he couldn't have met that entry
level at all. But then, the archives tell me that the AME
apprenticeships involve 4 years at TAFE, not 3 as is the case with most
apprenticeships like motor mechanics. That tells me that the AME
apprenticeships are at *technician level* or, as it is better known
these days, Certificate 4 level rather than Certificate 3. That means
the entry level would surely be year 10 rather than year 9. I will have
to refer to Graeme on that score since he is fully qualified and
certified as a LAME(engines/electrical/airframe). Yes, triple certified
as I found out last time I saw him.
The other point was that Noddy stated he had to wait until he was 15
before he could legally start work. Fair enough, that was the legal
school leaving age back then. However, it doesn't apply if you enter
into some form of *training*. An apprenticeship constitutes training so
signing up 3 months early prior to the 15th birthday wouldn't have been
an issue. A friend of mine at KMHS in Launceston started an
apprenticeship when he was only 14. I suspect Noddy was just a TA
(trades assistant) at the airport which was why he was considered
expendable. Certainly had he actually completed 3 years of the 4 of an
apprenticeship, he would not have been made redundant, as he claims he
was. The IR laws had a lot of leeway in cases like that. I might just
look as far back as 1978 when I am at PROV since the archives there
cover all apprenticeships in Victoria, including AME apprenticeships.

--

Xeno


Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

 

[Noddy]

On 18/10/2019 8:00 am, Grumpy Tech wrote:

On 17/10/2019 11:20 pm, Clocky wrote:
On 17/10/2019 2:53 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
On 17/10/2019 11:14 am, Xeno wrote:
On 17/10/19 10:45 am, Noddy wrote:
On 17/10/2019 9:44 am, Rheilly Phoull wrote:
On 16/10/2019 6:57 pm, Xeno wrote:

In my time in my trade I have performed annealing, quenching,
tempering & carburising along with many and varied welding
processes. These are simply *trade skills* that I learnt during
my high school years and during my apprenticeship. No rocket
science involved or required.


Well aren't you just the legend in your own mind. For a simple
support bracket bracket (I assume she isn't making a satellite or
whatever) it is hardly necessary to anneal or heat treat a bit of
cold formed bar or pipe to 45deg. Don't think you are the only
tradie in the group either!

Isn't he just amazing?

This is a bloke who has stated that he spent 20 years as a trade
teacher

That is true. And proven.

before faking a back injury and going into early retirement, and
claims

That is a figment of your imagination.

that he's "extremely trade relevant" today (his exact words)
despite not having worked in *any* trade in the last 20 years by
his own accounts.

As a *qualified tradesman*, I will *always* be more relevant to the
automotive industry than you could ever hope to be Noddy. You are
just a *pimple on the arse* of the motor trade and that is all you
will ever be. Isn't it odd how you, the person who bangs on so much
about trade relevance, aren't even qualified despite all your
*claims* to have no less than two trades under your belt. No record
of any automotive trade qualifications in your name Noddy, that says
it all.

How he manages to achieve that is a complete mystery, but not
nearly as much of a mystery as his extensive knowledge of welding
and metal treatment given that his own "experience" is limited to
the 5 minutes of rudimentary welding theory he was taught as an
apprentice himself

Did metallurgy studies at Uni and that, unsurprisingly, included a
welding component. I'm sure I've mentioned that previously.

Got a subject outline for that subject? I've seen literally thousands
of university academic records and I have seen subjects on metallurgy
but they did not include welding. By definition it is the study of
ores and their chemical properties and extraction.

Go ahead though and post a subject outline from one of the unis you
mentioned you attended. I'll wait.


Why should he hypocrite?

Pot kettle black

Doesn't the love on show here make you feel all warm and fuzzy?

You have to take your hat off to a bloke who sets out to "investigate"
the greatest bullshit artist this group has ever seen only to become his
chief protector and best buddy claiming that he has an "obligation to
protect him".

You gotta hand it to the Ducth. They may be a race of miserable
tight-arsed arrogant cunts, but at least they stick together.



--
--
--
Regards,
Noddy.

 

[felix]

On 18/10/2019 9:05 am, Xeno wrote:

On 18/10/19 12:45 am, Clocky wrote:
On 17/10/2019 8:39 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 17/10/19 11:22 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
On 17/10/2019 6:16 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 17/10/19 5:53 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:

snip

Did metallurgy studies at Uni and that, unsurprisingly, included
a welding component. I'm sure I've mentioned that previously.

Got a subject outline for that subject? I've seen literally
thousands of university academic records and I have seen subjects
on metallurgy but they did not include welding. By definition it
is the study of ores and their chemical properties and extraction.

Go ahead though and post a subject outline from one of the unis
you mentioned you attended. I'll wait.

Go to Caulfield Institute. They might have it, I no longer do. It
was, after all, some 35 years ago and was a subcomponent of my
DipTT conducted at a different institute because the one I
attended, Hawthorn Institute, didn't have the facilities.

I call garbage and you know why xeno.
1. You know there is no online archive of the subject outline from
your DipTT that is accessible online hence you just say you don't
have it.
2. No DipTT would include a subject of that nature. You would have
done methods of teaching, classroom management, but nothing like a
subject in metallurgy.

What sort of clown are you? You forget one tiny detail. I studied
*Technical Teaching*. That's what the TT stands for in DipTT. It was
*logical* to study something that is in my method area. Welding and
the associated metallurgy definitely is.

In fact I suggest you look at
https://digitised-collections.unimelb.edu.au/bitstream/handle/11343/24968/300372_UDS2012370-15.pdf


Starting around page 45 it outlines subjects in the DipTT. Your
explanation does not fit in with the course outline.

You really snookered yourself this time. Well done.

Wrong year. I was there, I know *what* I studied and I know *where*
I studied it.



And given that you have provided 100% verifiable proof that
crosschecks over decades of everything else you say you have done,
have worked and are qualified for there's a good chance that is the
truth as well.

A very good chance, like 100%. For instance, why would I invent
something like that? I was enrolled at Hawthorn Institute, a technical
teachers college and a campus of Melbourne Uni. Caulfield was an
Institute of Technology and ran degree courses in engineering.
Caulfield was set up to run the course I attended, Hawthorn wasn't. I
presume the two entities had come to some arrangement. Why would we
trainees get sent there to do something like basic welding that we
were already trained to do in our apprenticeships?   No, we needed to
go beyond basic welding because we needed to have a higher level of
expertise than the level at which we were teaching. That said, I was
teaching welding at Sunshine Tech from the very first day I took
classes. I still recall nipping across to the Fab Shop and having a
bit of a go since I hadn't done any welding all the time I was in the
mining industry - demarcation issue you see - it was a boilermakers
job to do all the welding and I was very much out of practice. A half
hour or so and I was getting back into the swing of striking a good
arc and running nice beads.
After that segment at Caulfield was completed, we went to the Holden
Engine plant and put some theory into practice. It was an impressive
foundry they had there. On the subject of annealing, did you know that
a complex cylinder head, after it has been cast, needs to be annealed.
It's because the cooling process of the casting is uneven and residual
stresses build up in the head. The annealing process relieves those
stresses otherwise you'll end up with cracking before the head enters
service. The alternative is to leave the casting sand, which is an
insulator, in the mould and let the casting cool slowly. It takes
hours and hours to do that. There was a trip to Lysaghts Rolling Mill
at Hastings as well but I missed that one. Can't recall why I missed
that trip but I think that was when my wife was in hospital late in 82.

All those trade related topics came under the broader heading of
*Method Area Studies* - what is being taught, not the how. For
instance, we studied fuel injection systems when few cars had it and
the Bosch K Jetronic system was the main one in use. IIRC, the dealer
trainer for BMW came out to the college to conduct that aspect of the
course and be brought along a 7 series BMW as a teaching aid. It had a
Bosch Motronic system on it, earlier BMW 7 series being equipped with
an L Jetronic system which Holden didn't get until the VK.

Grumpy acts like he knows what teachers get taught at Uni but the
reality, he knows very little. He would have a much better idea had he
actually studied at degree level himself. By the same token, had Noddy
ever done an apprenticeship, he too would have a far greater insight
into the processes. As it stands, both are showing a level of
ignorance about something in which they have no experience - and you
know how they bang on about experience!  ;-)

didn't grubby bomb out of his IT course?

Now, let's compare the evidence of NoddyLiar's two big claims...

I think the word *Zip* covers it adequately.

--
"You're either with Knobbo or someone to be gotten rid of"- Alvey on noddy
"an irrelevant nobody pretending to be something he's not"- Clocky on noddy
"On the spot, instant, without warning, the cowards way! Your way!" - Xeno on noddy

 

[felix]

On 18/10/2019 8:30 am, Xeno wrote:

On 18/10/19 12:27 am, Clocky wrote:
On 17/10/2019 7:18 pm, news18 wrote:
On Thu, 17 Oct 2019 18:19:38 +1100, Noddy wrote:

On 17/10/2019 5:53 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
On 17/10/2019 11:14 am, Xeno wrote:

How he manages to achieve that is a complete mystery, but not
nearly
as much of a mystery as his extensive knowledge of welding and
metal
treatment given that his own "experience" is limited to the 5
minutes
of rudimentary welding theory he was taught as an apprentice
himself


Did metallurgy studies at Uni and that, unsurprisingly, included a
welding component. I'm sure I've mentioned that previously.

Got a subject outline for that subject? I've seen literally thousands
of university academic records and I have seen subjects on metallurgy
but they did not include welding. By definition it is the study of
ores
and their chemical properties and extraction.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that metallurgy and welding are two separate
subjects that *aren't* studied together, and I'm also pretty sure that
he has never mentioned this previously.

Doesn't even depends on your level and purpose of training/education.
Even basic welding monkeys get some basic metallurgy instruction to
drive
home the point that the act of welding is highly liable to change the
metallurgy of the metals being welded. Hint, it is first mentioned
in the
reasons given for various forms of welding.

Try actually taking even a basic TAFE welding course.



Curiously everyone who has completed their automotive trade studies
and apprenticeship knows what an automotive apprenticeship involves
in terms of subjects covered and what is assessed yet NoddyLiar
somehow has no idea what is required to complete an automotive trade
apprenticeship.

The only reasonable explanation is that he never completed an
apprenticeship.

I am beginning to think he never even started one. By that I am
referring to the AME(engines) apprenticeship of which he claims to
have completed 3 years. He hasn't even a grasp of *first year
fundamentals* in engines. There is another facet however and that is
the entry level into that trade. For most trades, the entry level was
good passes in year 9 in relevant subjects. By his own admission,
Noddy skipped the last 3 months of year 9. That means he couldn't have
met that entry level at all. But then, the archives tell me that the
AME apprenticeships involve 4 years at TAFE, not 3 as is the case with
most apprenticeships like motor mechanics. That tells me that the AME
apprenticeships are at *technician level* or, as it is better known
these days, Certificate 4 level rather than Certificate 3. That means
the entry level would surely be year 10 rather than year 9. I will
have to refer to Graeme on that score since he is fully qualified and
certified as a LAME(engines/electrical/airframe). Yes, triple
certified as I found out last time I saw him.
The other point was that Noddy stated he had to wait until he was 15
before he could legally start work. Fair enough, that was the legal
school leaving age back then. However, it doesn't apply if you enter
into some form of *training*. An apprenticeship constitutes training
so signing up 3 months early prior to the 15th birthday wouldn't have
been an issue. A friend of mine at KMHS in Launceston started an
apprenticeship when he was only 14. I suspect Noddy was just a TA
(trades assistant) at the airport which was why he was considered
expendable. Certainly had he actually completed 3 years of the 4 of an
apprenticeship, he would not have been made redundant, as he claims he
was. The IR laws had a lot of leeway in cases like that. I might just
look as far back as 1978 when I am at PROV since the archives there
cover all apprenticeships in Victoria, including AME apprenticeships.

especially since he's never given any evidence in support of any of his
claims

--
"You're either with Knobbo or someone to be gotten rid of"- Alvey on noddy
"an irrelevant nobody pretending to be something he's not"- Clocky on noddy
"On the spot, instant, without warning, the cowards way! Your way!" - Xeno on noddy