OT: What's this type of bracket called?

[felix]

On 18/10/2019 12:39 am, Clocky wrote:

On 17/10/2019 8:22 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
On 17/10/2019 6:16 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 17/10/19 5:53 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
On 17/10/2019 11:14 am, Xeno wrote:
On 17/10/19 10:45 am, Noddy wrote:
On 17/10/2019 9:44 am, Rheilly Phoull wrote:
On 16/10/2019 6:57 pm, Xeno wrote:

In my time in my trade I have performed annealing, quenching,
tempering & carburising along with many and varied welding
processes. These are simply *trade skills* that I learnt during
my high school years and during my apprenticeship. No rocket
science involved or required.


Well aren't you just the legend in your own mind. For a simple
support bracket bracket (I assume she isn't making a satellite
or whatever) it is hardly necessary to anneal or heat treat a
bit of cold formed bar or pipe to 45deg. Don't think you are the
only tradie in the group either!

Isn't he just amazing?

This is a bloke who has stated that he spent 20 years as a trade
teacher

That is true. And proven.

before faking a back injury and going into early retirement, and
claims

That is a figment of your imagination.

that he's "extremely trade relevant" today (his exact words)
despite not having worked in *any* trade in the last 20 years by
his own accounts.

As a *qualified tradesman*, I will *always* be more relevant to
the automotive industry than you could ever hope to be Noddy. You
are just a *pimple on the arse* of the motor trade and that is all
you will ever be. Isn't it odd how you, the person who bangs on so
much about trade relevance, aren't even qualified despite all your
*claims* to have no less than two trades under your belt. No
record of any automotive trade qualifications in your name Noddy,
that says it all.

How he manages to achieve that is a complete mystery, but not
nearly as much of a mystery as his extensive knowledge of welding
and metal treatment given that his own "experience" is limited to
the 5 minutes of rudimentary welding theory he was taught as an
apprentice himself

Did metallurgy studies at Uni and that, unsurprisingly, included a
welding component. I'm sure I've mentioned that previously.

Got a subject outline for that subject? I've seen literally
thousands of university academic records and I have seen subjects
on metallurgy but they did not include welding. By definition it is
the study of ores and their chemical properties and extraction.

Go ahead though and post a subject outline from one of the unis you
mentioned you attended. I'll wait.

Go to Caulfield Institute. They might have it, I no longer do. It
was, after all, some 35 years ago and was a subcomponent of my DipTT
conducted at a different institute because the one I attended,
Hawthorn Institute, didn't have the facilities.

I call garbage and you know why xeno.
1. You know there is no online archive of the subject outline from
your DipTT that is accessible online hence you just say you don't
have it.
2. No DipTT would include a subject of that nature. You would have
done methods of teaching, classroom management, but nothing like a
subject in metallurgy.

In fact I suggest you look at
https://digitised-collections.unimelb.edu.au/bitstream/handle/11343/24968/300372_UDS2012370-15.pdf


Starting around page 45 it outlines subjects in the DipTT. Your
explanation does not fit in with the course outline.

You really snookered yourself this time. Well done.

You call this "snookered" but for the lack of evidence of NoddyLiar's
two big claims you don't even dare question him.

Pathetic.

yep pathetic


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"an irrelevant nobody pretending to be something he's not"- Clocky on noddy
"On the spot, instant, without warning, the cowards way! Your way!" - Xeno on noddy

 

[Xeno]

On 18/10/19 12:45 am, Clocky wrote:

On 17/10/2019 8:39 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 17/10/19 11:22 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
On 17/10/2019 6:16 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 17/10/19 5:53 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:

<snip>

Did metallurgy studies at Uni and that, unsurprisingly, included a
welding component. I'm sure I've mentioned that previously.

Got a subject outline for that subject? I've seen literally
thousands of university academic records and I have seen subjects
on metallurgy but they did not include welding. By definition it is
the study of ores and their chemical properties and extraction.

Go ahead though and post a subject outline from one of the unis you
mentioned you attended. I'll wait.

Go to Caulfield Institute. They might have it, I no longer do. It
was, after all, some 35 years ago and was a subcomponent of my DipTT
conducted at a different institute because the one I attended,
Hawthorn Institute, didn't have the facilities.

I call garbage and you know why xeno.
1. You know there is no online archive of the subject outline from
your DipTT that is accessible online hence you just say you don't
have it.
2. No DipTT would include a subject of that nature. You would have
done methods of teaching, classroom management, but nothing like a
subject in metallurgy.

What sort of clown are you? You forget one tiny detail. I studied
*Technical Teaching*. That's what the TT stands for in DipTT. It was
*logical* to study something that is in my method area. Welding and
the associated metallurgy definitely is.

In fact I suggest you look at
https://digitised-collections.unimelb.edu.au/bitstream/handle/11343/24968/300372_UDS2012370-15.pdf


Starting around page 45 it outlines subjects in the DipTT. Your
explanation does not fit in with the course outline.

You really snookered yourself this time. Well done.

Wrong year. I was there, I know *what* I studied and I know *where* I
studied it.



And given that you have provided 100% verifiable proof that crosschecks
over decades of everything else you say you have done, have worked and
are qualified for there's a good chance that is the truth as well.

A very good chance, like 100%. For instance, why would I invent
something like that? I was enrolled at Hawthorn Institute, a technical
teachers college and a campus of Melbourne Uni. Caulfield was an
Institute of Technology and ran degree courses in engineering. Caulfield
was set up to run the course I attended, Hawthorn wasn't. I presume the
two entities had come to some arrangement. Why would we trainees get
sent there to do something like basic welding that we were already
trained to do in our apprenticeships? No, we needed to go beyond basic
welding because we needed to have a higher level of expertise than the
level at which we were teaching. That said, I was teaching welding at
Sunshine Tech from the very first day I took classes. I still recall
nipping across to the Fab Shop and having a bit of a go since I hadn't
done any welding all the time I was in the mining industry - demarcation
issue you see - it was a boilermakers job to do all the welding and I
was very much out of practice. A half hour or so and I was getting back
into the swing of striking a good arc and running nice beads.
After that segment at Caulfield was completed, we went to the Holden
Engine plant and put some theory into practice. It was an impressive
foundry they had there. On the subject of annealing, did you know that a
complex cylinder head, after it has been cast, needs to be annealed.
It's because the cooling process of the casting is uneven and residual
stresses build up in the head. The annealing process relieves those
stresses otherwise you'll end up with cracking before the head enters
service. The alternative is to leave the casting sand, which is an
insulator, in the mould and let the casting cool slowly. It takes hours
and hours to do that. There was a trip to Lysaghts Rolling Mill at
Hastings as well but I missed that one. Can't recall why I missed that
trip but I think that was when my wife was in hospital late in 82.

All those trade related topics came under the broader heading of *Method
Area Studies* - what is being taught, not the how. For instance, we
studied fuel injection systems when few cars had it and the Bosch K
Jetronic system was the main one in use. IIRC, the dealer trainer for
BMW came out to the college to conduct that aspect of the course and be
brought along a 7 series BMW as a teaching aid. It had a Bosch Motronic
system on it, earlier BMW 7 series being equipped with an L Jetronic
system which Holden didn't get until the VK.

Grumpy acts like he knows what teachers get taught at Uni but the
reality, he knows very little. He would have a much better idea had he
actually studied at degree level himself. By the same token, had Noddy
ever done an apprenticeship, he too would have a far greater insight
into the processes. As it stands, both are showing a level of ignorance
about something in which they have no experience - and you know how they
bang on about experience! ;-)

Now, let's compare the evidence of NoddyLiar's two big claims...

I think the word *Zip* covers it adequately.

--

Xeno


Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

 

[Clocky]

On 18/10/2019 5:00 am, Grumpy Tech wrote:

On 17/10/2019 11:20 pm, Clocky wrote:
On 17/10/2019 2:53 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
On 17/10/2019 11:14 am, Xeno wrote:
On 17/10/19 10:45 am, Noddy wrote:
On 17/10/2019 9:44 am, Rheilly Phoull wrote:
On 16/10/2019 6:57 pm, Xeno wrote:

In my time in my trade I have performed annealing, quenching,
tempering & carburising along with many and varied welding
processes. These are simply *trade skills* that I learnt during
my high school years and during my apprenticeship. No rocket
science involved or required.


Well aren't you just the legend in your own mind. For a simple
support bracket bracket (I assume she isn't making a satellite or
whatever) it is hardly necessary to anneal or heat treat a bit of
cold formed bar or pipe to 45deg. Don't think you are the only
tradie in the group either!

Isn't he just amazing?

This is a bloke who has stated that he spent 20 years as a trade
teacher

That is true. And proven.

before faking a back injury and going into early retirement, and
claims

That is a figment of your imagination.

that he's "extremely trade relevant" today (his exact words)
despite not having worked in *any* trade in the last 20 years by
his own accounts.

As a *qualified tradesman*, I will *always* be more relevant to the
automotive industry than you could ever hope to be Noddy. You are
just a *pimple on the arse* of the motor trade and that is all you
will ever be. Isn't it odd how you, the person who bangs on so much
about trade relevance, aren't even qualified despite all your
*claims* to have no less than two trades under your belt. No record
of any automotive trade qualifications in your name Noddy, that says
it all.

How he manages to achieve that is a complete mystery, but not
nearly as much of a mystery as his extensive knowledge of welding
and metal treatment given that his own "experience" is limited to
the 5 minutes of rudimentary welding theory he was taught as an
apprentice himself

Did metallurgy studies at Uni and that, unsurprisingly, included a
welding component. I'm sure I've mentioned that previously.

Got a subject outline for that subject? I've seen literally thousands
of university academic records and I have seen subjects on metallurgy
but they did not include welding. By definition it is the study of
ores and their chemical properties and extraction.

Go ahead though and post a subject outline from one of the unis you
mentioned you attended. I'll wait.


Why should he hypocrite?

Pot kettle black

Nope, doesn't work hypocrite.

I questioned Xeno, I've seen his evidence and verified everything he
says going back decades. That covers my end.

Nobody anywhere has seen proof of NodyLiar's big two claims, you
included but here you choose to ignore the elephant in the room that
almost everyone else can plainly see.

 

[Xeno]

felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> wrote:

On 18/10/2019 9:05 am, Xeno wrote:
On 18/10/19 12:45 am, Clocky wrote:
On 17/10/2019 8:39 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 17/10/19 11:22 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
On 17/10/2019 6:16 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 17/10/19 5:53 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:

snip

Did metallurgy studies at Uni and that, unsurprisingly, included
a welding component. I'm sure I've mentioned that previously.

Got a subject outline for that subject? I've seen literally
thousands of university academic records and I have seen subjects
on metallurgy but they did not include welding. By definition it
is the study of ores and their chemical properties and extraction.

Go ahead though and post a subject outline from one of the unis
you mentioned you attended. I'll wait.

Go to Caulfield Institute. They might have it, I no longer do. It
was, after all, some 35 years ago and was a subcomponent of my
DipTT conducted at a different institute because the one I
attended, Hawthorn Institute, didn't have the facilities.

I call garbage and you know why xeno.
1. You know there is no online archive of the subject outline from
your DipTT that is accessible online hence you just say you don't
have it.
2. No DipTT would include a subject of that nature. You would have
done methods of teaching, classroom management, but nothing like a
subject in metallurgy.

What sort of clown are you? You forget one tiny detail. I studied
*Technical Teaching*. That's what the TT stands for in DipTT. It was
*logical* to study something that is in my method area. Welding and
the associated metallurgy definitely is.

In fact I suggest you look at
https://digitised-collections.unimelb.edu.au/bitstream/handle/11343/24968/300372_UDS2012370-15.pdf



Starting around page 45 it outlines subjects in the DipTT. Your
explanation does not fit in with the course outline.

You really snookered yourself this time. Well done.

Wrong year. I was there, I know *what* I studied and I know *where*
I studied it.



And given that you have provided 100% verifiable proof that
crosschecks over decades of everything else you say you have done,
have worked and are qualified for there's a good chance that is the
truth as well.

A very good chance, like 100%. For instance, why would I invent
something like that? I was enrolled at Hawthorn Institute, a technical
teachers college and a campus of Melbourne Uni. Caulfield was an
Institute of Technology and ran degree courses in engineering.
Caulfield was set up to run the course I attended, Hawthorn wasn't. I
presume the two entities had come to some arrangement. Why would we
trainees get sent there to do something like basic welding that we
were already trained to do in our apprenticeships?   No, we needed to
go beyond basic welding because we needed to have a higher level of
expertise than the level at which we were teaching. That said, I was
teaching welding at Sunshine Tech from the very first day I took
classes. I still recall nipping across to the Fab Shop and having a
bit of a go since I hadn't done any welding all the time I was in the
mining industry - demarcation issue you see - it was a boilermakers
job to do all the welding and I was very much out of practice. A half
hour or so and I was getting back into the swing of striking a good
arc and running nice beads.
After that segment at Caulfield was completed, we went to the Holden
Engine plant and put some theory into practice. It was an impressive
foundry they had there. On the subject of annealing, did you know that
a complex cylinder head, after it has been cast, needs to be annealed.
It's because the cooling process of the casting is uneven and residual
stresses build up in the head. The annealing process relieves those
stresses otherwise you'll end up with cracking before the head enters
service. The alternative is to leave the casting sand, which is an
insulator, in the mould and let the casting cool slowly. It takes
hours and hours to do that. There was a trip to Lysaghts Rolling Mill
at Hastings as well but I missed that one. Can't recall why I missed
that trip but I think that was when my wife was in hospital late in 82.

All those trade related topics came under the broader heading of
*Method Area Studies* - what is being taught, not the how. For
instance, we studied fuel injection systems when few cars had it and
the Bosch K Jetronic system was the main one in use. IIRC, the dealer
trainer for BMW came out to the college to conduct that aspect of the
course and be brought along a 7 series BMW as a teaching aid. It had a
Bosch Motronic system on it, earlier BMW 7 series being equipped with
an L Jetronic system which Holden didn't get until the VK.

Grumpy acts like he knows what teachers get taught at Uni but the
reality, he knows very little. He would have a much better idea had he
actually studied at degree level himself. By the same token, had Noddy
ever done an apprenticeship, he too would have a far greater insight
into the processes. As it stands, both are showing a level of
ignorance about something in which they have no experience - and you
know how they bang on about experience!  ;-)


didn't grubby bomb out of his IT course?

Yep, he did and that was my point above. Aside from that grand *failure*,
he was only a mere clerk at the uni, not a teacher, not a curriculum co-
ordinator, just a pen pusher in a menial role. That’s why he left, no
ability to progress.

Now, let's compare the evidence of NoddyLiar's two big claims...

I think the word *Zip* covers it adequately.

Xeno

 

[Clocky]

On 17/10/2019 8:43 pm, Noddy wrote:

On 17/10/2019 11:22 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
On 17/10/2019 6:16 pm, Xeno wrote:

Go to Caulfield Institute. They might have it, I no longer do. It
was, after all, some 35 years ago and was a subcomponent of my DipTT
conducted at a different institute because the one I attended,
Hawthorn Institute, didn't have the facilities.

I call garbage and you know why xeno.
1. You know there is no online archive of the subject outline from
your DipTT that is accessible online hence you just say you don't have
it.
2. No DipTT would include a subject of that nature. You would have
done methods of teaching, classroom management, but nothing like a
subject in metallurgy.

In fact I suggest you look at
https://digitised-collections.unimelb.edu.au/bitstream/handle/11343/24968/300372_UDS2012370-15.pdf


Starting around page 45 it outlines subjects in the DipTT. Your
explanation does not fit in with the course outline.

You really snookered yourself this time. Well done.

Init funny how he's prepared to go all the way to the public records
office in another *state* to try to disprove shit about me, but won't so
much as provide a basic link to back up anything he claims about himself.

Amazing, huh?

Any money you like that the FLC will have *nothing* whatsoever to say
about this latest round of bullshit from their king, but there'll be 200
posts about me full of invented pissing and moaning as usual

What do you expect to happen when you attack and lie and demand proof of
claims from others in tens of thousands of posts, whilst you make grand
claims about yourself that you refuse to back up?

Rational and intelligent people are not going to give you a free pass
and let you bullshit away just because you see yourself as the group's
authority.

The real world doesn't work that way.

 

[Clocky]

On 18/10/2019 5:06 am, Noddy wrote:

On 18/10/2019 8:00 am, Grumpy Tech wrote:
On 17/10/2019 11:20 pm, Clocky wrote:
On 17/10/2019 2:53 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
On 17/10/2019 11:14 am, Xeno wrote:
On 17/10/19 10:45 am, Noddy wrote:
On 17/10/2019 9:44 am, Rheilly Phoull wrote:
On 16/10/2019 6:57 pm, Xeno wrote:

In my time in my trade I have performed annealing, quenching,
tempering & carburising along with many and varied welding
processes. These are simply *trade skills* that I learnt during
my high school years and during my apprenticeship. No rocket
science involved or required.


Well aren't you just the legend in your own mind. For a simple
support bracket bracket (I assume she isn't making a satellite or
whatever) it is hardly necessary to anneal or heat treat a bit of
cold formed bar or pipe to 45deg. Don't think you are the only
tradie in the group either!

Isn't he just amazing?

This is a bloke who has stated that he spent 20 years as a trade
teacher

That is true. And proven.

before faking a back injury and going into early retirement, and
claims

That is a figment of your imagination.

that he's "extremely trade relevant" today (his exact words)
despite not having worked in *any* trade in the last 20 years by
his own accounts.

As a *qualified tradesman*, I will *always* be more relevant to the
automotive industry than you could ever hope to be Noddy. You are
just a *pimple on the arse* of the motor trade and that is all you
will ever be. Isn't it odd how you, the person who bangs on so much
about trade relevance, aren't even qualified despite all your
*claims* to have no less than two trades under your belt. No record
of any automotive trade qualifications in your name Noddy, that
says it all.

How he manages to achieve that is a complete mystery, but not
nearly as much of a mystery as his extensive knowledge of welding
and metal treatment given that his own "experience" is limited to
the 5 minutes of rudimentary welding theory he was taught as an
apprentice himself

Did metallurgy studies at Uni and that, unsurprisingly, included a
welding component. I'm sure I've mentioned that previously.

Got a subject outline for that subject? I've seen literally
thousands of university academic records and I have seen subjects on
metallurgy but they did not include welding. By definition it is the
study of ores and their chemical properties and extraction.

Go ahead though and post a subject outline from one of the unis you
mentioned you attended. I'll wait.


Why should he hypocrite?

Pot kettle black

Doesn't the love on show here make you feel all warm and fuzzy?

You have to take your hat off to a bloke who sets out to "investigate"
the greatest bullshit artist this group has ever seen only to become his
chief protector and best buddy claiming that he has an "obligation to
protect him".

I'm only interested in facts.

You clearly are not.

 

[Xeno]

On 18/10/19 10:51 am, Clocky wrote:

On 18/10/2019 5:06 am, Noddy wrote:
On 18/10/2019 8:00 am, Grumpy Tech wrote:
On 17/10/2019 11:20 pm, Clocky wrote:
On 17/10/2019 2:53 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
On 17/10/2019 11:14 am, Xeno wrote:
On 17/10/19 10:45 am, Noddy wrote:
On 17/10/2019 9:44 am, Rheilly Phoull wrote:
On 16/10/2019 6:57 pm, Xeno wrote:

In my time in my trade I have performed annealing, quenching,
tempering & carburising along with many and varied welding
processes. These are simply *trade skills* that I learnt during
my high school years and during my apprenticeship. No rocket
science involved or required.


Well aren't you just the legend in your own mind. For a simple
support bracket bracket (I assume she isn't making a satellite
or whatever) it is hardly necessary to anneal or heat treat a
bit of cold formed bar or pipe to 45deg. Don't think you are the
only tradie in the group either!

Isn't he just amazing?

This is a bloke who has stated that he spent 20 years as a trade
teacher

That is true. And proven.

before faking a back injury and going into early retirement, and
claims

That is a figment of your imagination.

that he's "extremely trade relevant" today (his exact words)
despite not having worked in *any* trade in the last 20 years by
his own accounts.

As a *qualified tradesman*, I will *always* be more relevant to
the automotive industry than you could ever hope to be Noddy. You
are just a *pimple on the arse* of the motor trade and that is all
you will ever be. Isn't it odd how you, the person who bangs on so
much about trade relevance, aren't even qualified despite all your
*claims* to have no less than two trades under your belt. No
record of any automotive trade qualifications in your name Noddy,
that says it all.

How he manages to achieve that is a complete mystery, but not
nearly as much of a mystery as his extensive knowledge of welding
and metal treatment given that his own "experience" is limited to
the 5 minutes of rudimentary welding theory he was taught as an
apprentice himself

Did metallurgy studies at Uni and that, unsurprisingly, included a
welding component. I'm sure I've mentioned that previously.

Got a subject outline for that subject? I've seen literally
thousands of university academic records and I have seen subjects
on metallurgy but they did not include welding. By definition it is
the study of ores and their chemical properties and extraction.

Go ahead though and post a subject outline from one of the unis you
mentioned you attended. I'll wait.


Why should he hypocrite?

Pot kettle black

Doesn't the love on show here make you feel all warm and fuzzy?

You have to take your hat off to a bloke who sets out to "investigate"
the greatest bullshit artist this group has ever seen only to become
his chief protector and best buddy claiming that he has an "obligation
to protect him".


I'm only interested in facts.

You clearly are not.

And the facts are, Noddy is a liar and bullshit artist and has a long
history of it - proven too what's more.

--

Xeno


Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

 

[Xeno]

On 18/10/19 11:08 am, Clocky wrote:

On 17/10/2019 8:43 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 17/10/2019 11:22 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
On 17/10/2019 6:16 pm, Xeno wrote:

Go to Caulfield Institute. They might have it, I no longer do. It
was, after all, some 35 years ago and was a subcomponent of my DipTT
conducted at a different institute because the one I attended,
Hawthorn Institute, didn't have the facilities.

I call garbage and you know why xeno.
1. You know there is no online archive of the subject outline from
your DipTT that is accessible online hence you just say you don't
have it.
2. No DipTT would include a subject of that nature. You would have
done methods of teaching, classroom management, but nothing like a
subject in metallurgy.

In fact I suggest you look at
https://digitised-collections.unimelb.edu.au/bitstream/handle/11343/24968/300372_UDS2012370-15.pdf


Starting around page 45 it outlines subjects in the DipTT. Your
explanation does not fit in with the course outline.

You really snookered yourself this time. Well done.

Init funny how he's prepared to go all the way to the public records
office in another *state* to try to disprove shit about me, but won't
so much as provide a basic link to back up anything he claims about
himself.

Amazing, huh?

Any money you like that the FLC will have *nothing* whatsoever to say
about this latest round of bullshit from their king, but there'll be
200 posts about me full of invented pissing and moaning as usual







What do you expect to happen when you attack and lie and demand proof of
claims from others in tens of thousands of posts, whilst you make grand
claims about yourself that you refuse to back up?

He can't possibly back up those claims. He'd need trade papers at the
very least to back up his qualifications claims and I know for sure he
isn't and never was in possession of those.

Rational and intelligent people are not going to give you a free pass
and let you bullshit away just because you see yourself as the group's
authority.

The real world doesn't work that way.

The *real world* is an alien concept to Noddy. His is a fantasy world
where only he can be king. Have I got some bad news for him!

--

Xeno


Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

 

[Xeno]

On 18/10/19 12:39 am, Clocky wrote:

On 17/10/2019 8:22 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
On 17/10/2019 6:16 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 17/10/19 5:53 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
On 17/10/2019 11:14 am, Xeno wrote:
On 17/10/19 10:45 am, Noddy wrote:
On 17/10/2019 9:44 am, Rheilly Phoull wrote:
On 16/10/2019 6:57 pm, Xeno wrote:

In my time in my trade I have performed annealing, quenching,
tempering & carburising along with many and varied welding
processes. These are simply *trade skills* that I learnt during
my high school years and during my apprenticeship. No rocket
science involved or required.


Well aren't you just the legend in your own mind. For a simple
support bracket bracket (I assume she isn't making a satellite or
whatever) it is hardly necessary to anneal or heat treat a bit of
cold formed bar or pipe to 45deg. Don't think you are the only
tradie in the group either!

Isn't he just amazing?

This is a bloke who has stated that he spent 20 years as a trade
teacher

That is true. And proven.

before faking a back injury and going into early retirement, and
claims

That is a figment of your imagination.

that he's "extremely trade relevant" today (his exact words)
despite not having worked in *any* trade in the last 20 years by
his own accounts.

As a *qualified tradesman*, I will *always* be more relevant to the
automotive industry than you could ever hope to be Noddy. You are
just a *pimple on the arse* of the motor trade and that is all you
will ever be. Isn't it odd how you, the person who bangs on so much
about trade relevance, aren't even qualified despite all your
*claims* to have no less than two trades under your belt. No record
of any automotive trade qualifications in your name Noddy, that
says it all.

How he manages to achieve that is a complete mystery, but not
nearly as much of a mystery as his extensive knowledge of welding
and metal treatment given that his own "experience" is limited to
the 5 minutes of rudimentary welding theory he was taught as an
apprentice himself

Did metallurgy studies at Uni and that, unsurprisingly, included a
welding component. I'm sure I've mentioned that previously.

Got a subject outline for that subject? I've seen literally
thousands of university academic records and I have seen subjects on
metallurgy but they did not include welding. By definition it is the
study of ores and their chemical properties and extraction.

Go ahead though and post a subject outline from one of the unis you
mentioned you attended. I'll wait.

Go to Caulfield Institute. They might have it, I no longer do. It
was, after all, some 35 years ago and was a subcomponent of my DipTT
conducted at a different institute because the one I attended,
Hawthorn Institute, didn't have the facilities.

I call garbage and you know why xeno.
1. You know there is no online archive of the subject outline from
your DipTT that is accessible online hence you just say you don't have
it.
2. No DipTT would include a subject of that nature. You would have
done methods of teaching, classroom management, but nothing like a
subject in metallurgy.

In fact I suggest you look at
https://digitised-collections.unimelb.edu.au/bitstream/handle/11343/24968/300372_UDS2012370-15.pdf


Starting around page 45 it outlines subjects in the DipTT. Your
explanation does not fit in with the course outline.

You really snookered yourself this time. Well done.

You call this "snookered" but for the lack of evidence of NoddyLiar's
two big claims you don't even dare question him.

Pathetic.

It is indeed. I don't see how *I'm snookered* when I'm not in possession
of a *subject outline* for a course I undertook 37 years ago. I have the
relevant Diploma and the list of subjects passed, that is all. Why would
I keep anything more? I didn't even keep the yearbooks, of which I had
six (81-86), beyond being conferred.

I do like how the Grumpy is telling everyone what subjects a DipTT would
include. Shows just how little he knows about teaching and teacher
training, especially in the trade area. For instance, a person doing a
BEd, the full one of 4 years, will study two general aspects - teaching
method and subject method, my method area being automotive, more
specifically motor mechanics. Of that 4 years, approx. one year will be
teaching method, the remainder will be subject method. As a trainee
technical teacher, the entry requirement was an apprenticeship and an
equivalent period post apprenticeship - 8-10 years total. That 10 years
formed the bulk of my subject method requirement, 80% or better. That
meant the bulk of my two years full time was focused on teaching method.
Any subject method training was focused on *advanced trade training*
which is why the course at Caulfield focused on metallurgy. Rest
assured, an understanding of metallurgy rendered the teaching of welding
much easier since you have a broader range of expertise upon which to
draw. Even the welding skills training I had at Caulfield was at an
advanced level, I learnt some fancy stuff. After all, I already had
basic welding training and experience well covered during my
apprenticeship and beyond.
Completion of the first two years full time at Hawthorn entitled me to
the CertTT. The expectation was that trainees would enter teaching
already in possession of an Automotive Technicians Certificate or an
engineering equivalent like the Certificate of Technology. Most trainees
had this and that meant they *immediately qualified* for the DipTT at
the same time as they qualified for the CertTT. The Technicians
Certificate wasn't a thing outside of Victoria and I had only a couple
of subjects of the CoT from Launceston. That meant I needed another 36
points of advanced trade subjects to graduate with my DipTT and these I
completed at Hawthorn part time over the next 4 years and graduated in
87. That put me 4 years behind on the pay scale advancement.

After all his time at a Uni, Grumpy still can't see that, when teaching
at a particular level, the teacher needs to have qualifications at least
one level *above*. That is fairly general in education worldwide. if you
want to lecture at Uni at undergraduate level, you require, in general,
at least a Masters. Course outlines in a yearbook don't give you the
full picture.



--

Xeno


Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

 

[Noddy]

On 18/10/2019 12:44 pm, lindsay wrote:

On 18/10/2019 11:55 am, Xeno wrote:

And the facts are, Noddy is a liar and bullshit artist and has a long
history of it - proven too what's more.


Mirror Mirror on the wall,
who's the biggest lying cunt of all
Well, Tom Clasener it'd have to be
Simply look above to see
the Running half man's hypocrisy

Lol

Yep. And I particularly love how he just *has* to add the "proven" tag,
as any time you ask for it he can never show you. Still, it's pretty
easy for something to be "proved" when the only place that proof ever
exists is in your head


--
--
--
Regards,
Noddy.

 

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Sun, 13 Oct 2019 13:23:19 +1100, Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid>
wrote:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/b4b15o0hgno2ldu/bracket.jpg?dl=0

The perspective is a bit off - the angles at the end are about 45 degrees.

I made this one myself out of aluminium tubing, but I've already had one
crack and break at the bend.

So I'm trying to buy a steel one, but I can't even figure out what to
search for.

Sylvia.

Diagonal tubing brace:
<https://masterd.us/brace-brackets/diagonal-tubing-braces.html>

Channel brace:
<https://masterd.us/brace-brackets/channel-braces.html>

Tubing knee brace:
<http://www.blbolt.com/pd451816/flex-strut-inc-fs-5460-18-eg-2-hole-45-deg-tubing-knee-brace>

Cross brace or support brace:
<https://www.instructables.com/id/A-Support-Beam-Out-of-Light-Metal-Tubing-numerous-/>

Tubular back brace:
<https://www.galco.com/buy/Unistrut/P2458-36GR>

I don't think you're going to find a standard or stock product that
will fit your required dimensions. There are far too many
combinations of length, diameter, material, finish, angle, hole size,
etc, for stocking to be profitable. You'll probably end up having
something fabricated.

However, if price is no object, try a "strut tie bar support" at your
local (racing) auto parts supplier:
<https://www.google.com/search?q=strut+tie+bar+support&tbm=isch>
It's main purpose is to keep the cantilevered front bumper on a racing
car from falling off when it goes over a bump in the road:
<http://www.modifikasi.com/showthread.php/602642-Bumper-Protector-Rod-Splitter-Strut-Tie-Bars-Support-Kit>
Therefore, it doesn't have much lateral or bending strength. This may
be a problem if you plan to use it as a handle.






--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

 

[FMurtz]

felix wrote:

On 16/10/2019 8:52 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 16/10/2019 8:22 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:

Jeez!! I've never seen such a fuss about a simple bracket.
How hard could it be ??

How hard could it be to do what?

Sylvia.

I just can't understand why you just don't grab some bar or pipe and
do it. All this stuff about annealing etc. makes it into a
scientific endeavor. Do you have any experience drilling holes or
putting a bit of bar in a vice and bending it ?


I asked what it was called. Who are you to judge whether I should use
a different approach?

I don't think he/she/it/they were judging. They were just wondering
why you don't just go out and buy some steel tube or bar and make a
replacement instead of turning it into a 9 part mini series.

As you love to do....



lol! that made me laugh..

Every one, please don't put any interesting posts under this subject
line as I just killed it and would therefore miss it.

 

[Noddy]

On 18/10/2019 2:45 pm, FMurtz wrote:

felix wrote:

I don't think he/she/it/they were judging. They were just wondering
why you don't just go out and buy some steel tube or bar and make a
replacement instead of turning it into a 9 part mini series.

As you love to do....



lol! that made me laugh..


Every one, please don't put any interesting posts under this subject
line as I just killed it and would therefore miss it.

Fucking hell! Just because *you* said so, right?

Get a grip, you silly old fuckwit. There hasn't been an "interesting"
post in aus.cars since Krypsis/Xeno appeared on the scene and infected
the place with his deluded version of "reality".


--
--
--
Regards,
Noddy.

 

[felix]

On 18/10/2019 10:30 am, Clocky wrote:

On 18/10/2019 5:00 am, Grumpy Tech wrote:
On 17/10/2019 11:20 pm, Clocky wrote:
On 17/10/2019 2:53 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
On 17/10/2019 11:14 am, Xeno wrote:
On 17/10/19 10:45 am, Noddy wrote:
On 17/10/2019 9:44 am, Rheilly Phoull wrote:
On 16/10/2019 6:57 pm, Xeno wrote:

In my time in my trade I have performed annealing, quenching,
tempering & carburising along with many and varied welding
processes. These are simply *trade skills* that I learnt during
my high school years and during my apprenticeship. No rocket
science involved or required.


Well aren't you just the legend in your own mind. For a simple
support bracket bracket (I assume she isn't making a satellite
or whatever) it is hardly necessary to anneal or heat treat a
bit of cold formed bar or pipe to 45deg. Don't think you are the
only tradie in the group either!

Isn't he just amazing?

This is a bloke who has stated that he spent 20 years as a trade
teacher

That is true. And proven.

before faking a back injury and going into early retirement, and
claims

That is a figment of your imagination.

that he's "extremely trade relevant" today (his exact words)
despite not having worked in *any* trade in the last 20 years by
his own accounts.

As a *qualified tradesman*, I will *always* be more relevant to
the automotive industry than you could ever hope to be Noddy. You
are just a *pimple on the arse* of the motor trade and that is all
you will ever be. Isn't it odd how you, the person who bangs on so
much about trade relevance, aren't even qualified despite all your
*claims* to have no less than two trades under your belt. No
record of any automotive trade qualifications in your name Noddy,
that says it all.

How he manages to achieve that is a complete mystery, but not
nearly as much of a mystery as his extensive knowledge of welding
and metal treatment given that his own "experience" is limited to
the 5 minutes of rudimentary welding theory he was taught as an
apprentice himself

Did metallurgy studies at Uni and that, unsurprisingly, included a
welding component. I'm sure I've mentioned that previously.

Got a subject outline for that subject? I've seen literally
thousands of university academic records and I have seen subjects
on metallurgy but they did not include welding. By definition it is
the study of ores and their chemical properties and extraction.

Go ahead though and post a subject outline from one of the unis you
mentioned you attended. I'll wait.


Why should he hypocrite?

Pot kettle black

Nope, doesn't work hypocrite.

I questioned Xeno, I've seen his evidence and verified everything he
says going back decades. That covers my end.

Nobody anywhere has seen proof of NodyLiar's big two claims, you
included but here you choose to ignore the elephant in the room that
almost everyone else can plainly see.

If I had a mate who claimed to have some qualifications, and I believed
he did, but ppl were questioning that he had any, I would simply ask him
about them.. where he got them and what they entailed. that would be the
normal and natural thing to do. the mere fact that grubby will not
simply as his BFF about his alleged qualifications, and sight them so he
can testify to them, but rather will post diatribe after diatribe in
defence of knobby's claims, only tells us he is shit scared that his BFF
doesn't have any, so he doesn't want to be made to look like a fool.

--
"You're either with Knobbo or someone to be gotten rid of"- Alvey on noddy
"an irrelevant nobody pretending to be something he's not"- Clocky on noddy
"On the spot, instant, without warning, the cowards way! Your way!" - Xeno on noddy

 

[felix]

On 18/10/2019 11:08 am, Clocky wrote:

On 17/10/2019 8:43 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 17/10/2019 11:22 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
On 17/10/2019 6:16 pm, Xeno wrote:

Go to Caulfield Institute. They might have it, I no longer do. It
was, after all, some 35 years ago and was a subcomponent of my
DipTT conducted at a different institute because the one I
attended, Hawthorn Institute, didn't have the facilities.

I call garbage and you know why xeno.
1. You know there is no online archive of the subject outline from
your DipTT that is accessible online hence you just say you don't
have it.
2. No DipTT would include a subject of that nature. You would have
done methods of teaching, classroom management, but nothing like a
subject in metallurgy.

In fact I suggest you look at
https://digitised-collections.unimelb.edu.au/bitstream/handle/11343/24968/300372_UDS2012370-15.pdf


Starting around page 45 it outlines subjects in the DipTT. Your
explanation does not fit in with the course outline.

You really snookered yourself this time. Well done.

Init funny how he's prepared to go all the way to the public records
office in another *state* to try to disprove shit about me, but won't
so much as provide a basic link to back up anything he claims about
himself.

Amazing, huh?

Any money you like that the FLC will have *nothing* whatsoever to say
about this latest round of bullshit from their king, but there'll be
200 posts about me full of invented pissing and moaning as usual







What do you expect to happen when you attack and lie and demand proof
of claims from others in tens of thousands of posts, whilst you make
grand claims about yourself that you refuse to back up?

Rational and intelligent people are not going to give you a free pass
and let you bullshit away just because you see yourself as the group's
authority.

The real world doesn't work that way.

that was very well said!

--
"You're either with Knobbo or someone to be gotten rid of"- Alvey on noddy
"an irrelevant nobody pretending to be something he's not"- Clocky on noddy
"On the spot, instant, without warning, the cowards way! Your way!" - Xeno on noddy

 

[Xeno]

On 18/10/19 2:57 pm, Noddy wrote:

On 18/10/2019 2:45 pm, FMurtz wrote:
felix wrote:

I don't think he/she/it/they were judging. They were just wondering
why you don't just go out and buy some steel tube or bar and make a
replacement instead of turning it into a 9 part mini series.

As you love to do....



lol! that made me laugh..


Every one, please don't put any interesting posts under this subject
line as I just killed it and would therefore miss it.

Fucking hell! Just because *you* said so, right?

Get a grip, you silly old fuckwit. There hasn't been an "interesting"
post in aus.cars since Krypsis/Xeno appeared on the scene and infected
the place with his deluded version of "reality".

Aus.cars was on a downturn long before I arrived on scene here. Seems
around the same number of regulars now as when I arrived. ;-)

--

Xeno


Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

 

[Xeno]

On 18/10/19 3:55 pm, felix wrote:

On 18/10/2019 10:30 am, Clocky wrote:
On 18/10/2019 5:00 am, Grumpy Tech wrote:
On 17/10/2019 11:20 pm, Clocky wrote:
On 17/10/2019 2:53 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
On 17/10/2019 11:14 am, Xeno wrote:
On 17/10/19 10:45 am, Noddy wrote:
On 17/10/2019 9:44 am, Rheilly Phoull wrote:
On 16/10/2019 6:57 pm, Xeno wrote:

In my time in my trade I have performed annealing, quenching,
tempering & carburising along with many and varied welding
processes. These are simply *trade skills* that I learnt during
my high school years and during my apprenticeship. No rocket
science involved or required.


Well aren't you just the legend in your own mind. For a simple
support bracket bracket (I assume she isn't making a satellite
or whatever) it is hardly necessary to anneal or heat treat a
bit of cold formed bar or pipe to 45deg. Don't think you are the
only tradie in the group either!

Isn't he just amazing?

This is a bloke who has stated that he spent 20 years as a trade
teacher

That is true. And proven.

before faking a back injury and going into early retirement, and
claims

That is a figment of your imagination.

that he's "extremely trade relevant" today (his exact words)
despite not having worked in *any* trade in the last 20 years by
his own accounts.

As a *qualified tradesman*, I will *always* be more relevant to
the automotive industry than you could ever hope to be Noddy. You
are just a *pimple on the arse* of the motor trade and that is all
you will ever be. Isn't it odd how you, the person who bangs on so
much about trade relevance, aren't even qualified despite all your
*claims* to have no less than two trades under your belt. No
record of any automotive trade qualifications in your name Noddy,
that says it all.

How he manages to achieve that is a complete mystery, but not
nearly as much of a mystery as his extensive knowledge of welding
and metal treatment given that his own "experience" is limited to
the 5 minutes of rudimentary welding theory he was taught as an
apprentice himself

Did metallurgy studies at Uni and that, unsurprisingly, included a
welding component. I'm sure I've mentioned that previously.

Got a subject outline for that subject? I've seen literally
thousands of university academic records and I have seen subjects
on metallurgy but they did not include welding. By definition it is
the study of ores and their chemical properties and extraction.

Go ahead though and post a subject outline from one of the unis you
mentioned you attended. I'll wait.


Why should he hypocrite?

Pot kettle black

Nope, doesn't work hypocrite.

I questioned Xeno, I've seen his evidence and verified everything he
says going back decades. That covers my end.

Nobody anywhere has seen proof of NodyLiar's big two claims, you
included but here you choose to ignore the elephant in the room that
almost everyone else can plainly see.






If I had a mate who claimed to have some qualifications, and I believed
he did, but ppl were questioning that he had any, I would simply ask him
about them.. where he got them and what they entailed. that would be the
normal and natural thing to do. the mere fact that grubby will not
simply as his BFF about his alleged qualifications, and sight them so he
can testify to them, but rather will post diatribe after diatribe in
defence of knobby's claims, only tells us he is shit scared that his BFF
doesn't have any, so he doesn't want to be made to look like a fool.

I have a feeling Grumpy knows what the reality is. I mean, he couldn't
be *that stupid*, could he?

--

Xeno


Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

 

[Xeno]

On 18/10/19 3:56 pm, felix wrote:

On 18/10/2019 11:08 am, Clocky wrote:
On 17/10/2019 8:43 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 17/10/2019 11:22 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
On 17/10/2019 6:16 pm, Xeno wrote:

Go to Caulfield Institute. They might have it, I no longer do. It
was, after all, some 35 years ago and was a subcomponent of my
DipTT conducted at a different institute because the one I
attended, Hawthorn Institute, didn't have the facilities.

I call garbage and you know why xeno.
1. You know there is no online archive of the subject outline from
your DipTT that is accessible online hence you just say you don't
have it.
2. No DipTT would include a subject of that nature. You would have
done methods of teaching, classroom management, but nothing like a
subject in metallurgy.

In fact I suggest you look at
https://digitised-collections.unimelb.edu.au/bitstream/handle/11343/24968/300372_UDS2012370-15.pdf


Starting around page 45 it outlines subjects in the DipTT. Your
explanation does not fit in with the course outline.

You really snookered yourself this time. Well done.

Init funny how he's prepared to go all the way to the public records
office in another *state* to try to disprove shit about me, but won't
so much as provide a basic link to back up anything he claims about
himself.

Amazing, huh?

Any money you like that the FLC will have *nothing* whatsoever to say
about this latest round of bullshit from their king, but there'll be
200 posts about me full of invented pissing and moaning as usual







What do you expect to happen when you attack and lie and demand proof
of claims from others in tens of thousands of posts, whilst you make
grand claims about yourself that you refuse to back up?

Rational and intelligent people are not going to give you a free pass
and let you bullshit away just because you see yourself as the group's
authority.

The real world doesn't work that way.


that was very well said!

Indeed!

The real world is proving somewhat of a challenge for Noddy.

--

Xeno


Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

 

[Clocky]

On 18/10/2019 11:38 am, Noddy wrote:

On 18/10/2019 12:44 pm, lindsay wrote:
On 18/10/2019 11:55 am, Xeno wrote:

And the facts are, Noddy is a liar and bullshit artist and has a long
history of it - proven too what's more.


Mirror Mirror on the wall,
who's the biggest lying cunt of all
Well, Tom Clasener it'd have to be
Simply look above to see
the Running half man's hypocrisy

Lol

Yep. And I particularly love how he just *has* to add the "proven" tag,
as any time you ask for it he can never show you. Still, it's pretty
easy for something to be "proved" when the only place that proof ever
exists is in your head

Like your qualifications, right, boy?

He has proven to others that he has his, I've proven to others that I
have mine and not one person has ever sighted yours.

They are the facts on the table and all your bullshit doesn't change a
thing.

 

[Xeno]

On 19/10/19 11:06 am, Clocky wrote:

On 18/10/2019 11:38 am, Noddy wrote:
On 18/10/2019 12:44 pm, lindsay wrote:
On 18/10/2019 11:55 am, Xeno wrote:

And the facts are, Noddy is a liar and bullshit artist and has a
long history of it - proven too what's more.


Mirror Mirror on the wall,
who's the biggest lying cunt of all
Well, Tom Clasener it'd have to be
Simply look above to see
the Running half man's hypocrisy

Lol

Yep. And I particularly love how he just *has* to add the "proven"
tag, as any time you ask for it he can never show you. Still, it's

As I have stated previously, it is hard to *show* a third party the
content of a *phone call*. It can never be anything other than
*relayed*. That concept seems above Noddy's ken. Regardless, the
*physical proof* exists at PROV in Nth Melbourne and, in time, that will
be accessed. At this point in time I am looking at February next year.
The little woman wants to spend a week in Tasmania so I suggested we
drive down to Melbourne and ferry across. She's over the long drive and
wants to fly all the way direct from, say, Coolangatta. Hmmm. It's
doable since we don't need to take the car to Tas since my brother has
one available anyway. By the same token, I have been offered a Camry for
any time I am in Melbourne. Fly to Melbourne, stay a while [ ;-) ],
then nip over the strait?

pretty easy for something to be "proved" when the only place that
proof ever exists is in your head



Like your qualifications, right, boy?

The *proof* of his *lack of qualification* exists in the archival
databases the Victorian government maintains and to which VetAssess,
among others, has access to.

He has proven to others that he has his, I've proven to others that I
have mine and not one person has ever sighted yours.

They are the facts on the table and all your bullshit doesn't change a
thing.

Them's the facts Ma'am. ;-)


--

Xeno


Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)