OT: The cannibal left loves forcing females to compete against males!...

[David Brown]

On 19/12/2021 16:36, Kevin Aylward wrote:

Its cancelling, its people losing their jobs, its people being arrested
for stating the truth.

I\'m not convinced about people \"being arrested for stating the truth\" -
that\'s standard conspiracy theory boilerplate stuff.

However, I certainly accept that \"cancel culture\" is a serious problem.
It is undoubtedly a vastly bigger problem in current society than
transgender people in sports. And unlike the \"cannibal left\", it\'s a
real thing, and worth discussing.

 

[Phil Allison]

On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 9:34:06 AM UTC+11, David Brown wrote:

On 19/12/2021 16:36, Kevin Aylward wrote:

Its cancelling, its people losing their jobs, its people being arrested
for stating the truth.

I\'m not convinced about people \"being arrested for stating the truth\" -
that\'s standard conspiracy theory boilerplate stuff.

** No it isn\'t.
One can be arrested for \"hate speach\" or villification.
The truth of the word used used is non relevant.

> However, I certainly accept that \"cancel culture\" is a serious problem.

** But cannot see the clear connection ?

It is undoubtedly a vastly bigger problem in current society than
transgender people in sports.

** The destruction of female sports will take some time -
the *problem* is the precursors are in place *now*.

> And unlike the \"cannibal left\", it\'s a real thing, and worth discussing.

** So says a * totally dishonest* rabid, leftist fucktard.


..... Phil

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 9:45:22 AM UTC+11, palli...@gmail.com wrote:

On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 9:34:06 AM UTC+11, David Brown wrote:
On 19/12/2021 16:36, Kevin Aylward wrote:

Its cancelling, its people losing their jobs, its people being arrested
for stating the truth.

I\'m not convinced about people \"being arrested for stating the truth\" -
that\'s standard conspiracy theory boilerplate stuff.

** No it isn\'t.

As if Phil had a clue - what he thinks is what he gets told by Sky News (the Australian equivalent of Fox News), much of which is \"standard conspiracy theory boilerplate stuff\". They tend to get sued for their more original (if equally half-baked) contributions.

One can be arrested for \"hate speech\" or vilification.
The truth of the word used is non relevant.

It can be, but circumstances do alter cases.

However, I certainly accept that \"cancel culture\" is a serious problem.

** But cannot see the clear connection?

The connection is clear enough - rabid rightist idiots get upset by trans kids participating in female sports because their chromosomes aren\'t right, and they get upset by cancel culture because it leads to their other rabid idiocies being taken down. It all damages their self-esteem - not enough to get them to crawl back under the rocks where they belong because their self-esteem is higher than is good for the rest of society - and they parade their sense being entitled to be taken seriously as if it wasn\'t one more symptom of their prodigious lunacy.

It is undoubtedly a vastly bigger problem in current society than
transgender people in sports.

But still totally trivial.

> ** The destruction of female sports will take some time - the *problem* is the precursors are in place *now*.

Or so idiots like Phil Allison and John Doe think. Kevin Aylward isn\'t an idiot but he\'s deluded to the point where he might as well be one.

And unlike the \"cannibal left\", it\'s a real thing, and worth discussing..

** So says a * totally dishonest* rabid, leftist fucktard.

Phil does have a low opinion of anybody with enough sense to disagree with him - and - who is prepared to waste the time pointing out exactly how silly his opinions are (because anybody with any sense won\'t need to be told - though it does have a constructive component in getting Phil to post even more obviously rabid nonsense).

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[server]

David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote in
news:spoc0o$iqr$1@dont-email.me:

I\'m not convinced about people \"being arrested for stating the
truth\" - that\'s standard conspiracy theory boilerplate stuff.

Let\'s just say that one cannot go into a sports bar and talk politics
any more or one takes a chance on being assaulted by a TrumpTard, or
worse, get put on these idiots\' \"kill list\".

 

[David Brown]

On 20/12/2021 03:00, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote in
news:spoc0o$iqr$1@dont-email.me:

I\'m not convinced about people \"being arrested for stating the
truth\" - that\'s standard conspiracy theory boilerplate stuff.


Let\'s just say that one cannot go into a sports bar and talk politics
any more or one takes a chance on being assaulted by a TrumpTard, or
worse, get put on these idiots\' \"kill list\".

That is a shame. The USA spent half of last century being paranoid that
communism would kill democracy, and they\'ve spent this century (so far)
killing it themselves. \"I totally disagree with everything you say, but
will defend with my life your right to say it\" has turned into \"I
totally disagree with everything you say, and will kill you for saying it\".

 

[Kevin Aylward]

\"David Brown\" wrote in message news:spoc0o$iqr$1@dont-email.me...

On 19/12/2021 16:36, Kevin Aylward wrote:

Its cancelling, its people losing their jobs, its people being arrested
for stating the truth.


I\'m not convinced about people \"being arrested for stating the truth\" -

https://www.womenarehuman.com/uk-police-investigate-transphobic-offensive-stickers-that-define-women-as-adult-human-females/

\"Woman: Adult human female\" stickers

\"warned that those responsible for plastering the stickers may be charged
with a public order offence\"



Its worse. You should really investigate the full extent of what\'s happening

https://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/19678238.prosecutors-discontinue-hate-crime-case-scots-feminist-marion-millar/

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-lincolnshire-51501202 police - \"we need
to check your thinking\"

https://www.faircop.org.uk/case-studies/harry-miller/

The trans activist, homophobic, heterphobic, mysogenist, hate group
Stonewall have infiltrated large numbers of major organisations promoting
their version of the law. Only now are organisations withdrawing. In part
because of a major human rights case affirming the right that gender
critical views are protected beliefs.

https://sex-matters.org/stonewall-champions-list/

Standard gender ideology, supported by Stonewall is that homosexuality and
hetersexuality is defined by gender not sex. A lesbian that will not date a
transwoman claiming to be a lesbian (i.e. a hetersexual male) is slandered
as transphobic, a man that will not date a transwoman is slandered as
transphobic.

https://www.stonewall.org.uk/help-advice/faqs-and-glossary/list-lgbtq-terms

Homosexual:

\"...used to describe someone who has a romantic and/or sexual orientation
towards someone of the same gender...\"

Heterosexual/straight:

\"Refers to a man who has a romantic and/or sexual orientation towards women
or to a woman who has a romantic and/or sexual orientation towards men.\"

It must be noted here that Stonewall demand that \"transwoman are woman\" in
*every* way, thus they declare a transwoman relationship with a man, as
Heterosexual. This is ludicrous. A heterosexual man saying that he aint
interested in men wearing dresses with penises will be declared transphobic.

The transgender issue isn\'t just about men in dresses, living their lives,
its about a complete takeover of everyone else\'s lives and *minds* to the
ideology of the transgenderists.

Because a transwoman feels in his mind that he is a woman and wants to date
other men, the activists demand that the minds of *others* think the same
such that their mind must also consider a man as a woman with regard to
dating. That\'s the problem. They demand that others believe what they
believe.

They demand that lesbians have sex with transwoman or also be slured as a
transphobe.

https://terfisaslur.com/cotton-ceiling/

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-57853385 - \'We\'re being pressured into
sex by some trans women\'



-- Kevin Aylward

http://www.anasoft.co.uk/ SuperSpice
http://www.kevinaylward.co.uk/ee/index.html

 

[David Brown]

On 20/12/2021 09:25, Kevin Aylward wrote:

<snip for brevity>

Because a transwoman feels in his mind that he is a woman and wants to
date other men, the activists demand that the minds of *others* think
the same such that their mind must also consider a man as a woman with
regard to dating. That\'s the problem. They demand that others believe
what they believe.

They demand that lesbians have sex with transwoman or also be slured as
a transphobe.

https://terfisaslur.com/cotton-ceiling/

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-57853385 - \'We\'re being pressured
into sex by some trans women\'

I think you misunderstand how the media works. They like to tell
stories - some important, some merely interesting or unusual. And
anything that has \"sex\" in the title sells newspapers, website clicks,
or whatever the media is selling - that\'s how they make their money.
Even the most mainstream and serious media does that so they can afford
to report on real news.

For every transgender person who tries to pressurise someone into sex,
there\'s a thousand transgender people who don\'t, and a million
non-transgender people who do.

Take a survey amongst women (however you decide to define them) -
perhaps a thousand or so. Ask how many feel they have been pushed into
unwanted sex by a heterosexual man. Ask how many feel they have been
pushed into unwanted sex by a lesbian woman. Ask how many feel they
have been pushed into unwanted sex by a transgender person.

Once you have your numbers, you can determine if transgender people
really are a major challenge to society, outweighing all others.

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 7:25:57 PM UTC+11, Kevin Aylward wrote:

\"David Brown\" wrote in message news:spoc0o$iqr$1...@dont-email.me...
On 19/12/2021 16:36, Kevin Aylward wrote:

Its cancelling, its people losing their jobs, its people being arrested
for stating the truth.

I\'m not convinced about people \"being arrested for stating the truth\" -

https://www.womenarehuman.com/uk-police-investigate-transphobic-offensive-stickers-that-define-women-as-adult-human-females/

\"Woman: Adult human female\" stickers

\"warned that those responsible for plastering the stickers may be charged with a public order offense\"

<snipped the rest>

The cops might not have liked the penis image on some of the stickers.

Kevin has found some nut cases whose ideas are as silly as his, and is taking them more seriously that they deserve. Nut cases are always with us - society has survived despite them, and we will survive Kevin too.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Kevin Aylward]

\"David Brown\" wrote in message news:sppl69$j0l$1@dont-email.me...

On 20/12/2021 09:25, Kevin Aylward wrote:

<snip for brevity>

>
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------->
Because a transwoman feels in his mind that he is a woman and wants to

date other men, the activists demand that the minds of *others* think
the same such that their mind must also consider a man as a woman with
regard to dating. That\'s the problem. They demand that others believe
what they believe.

They demand that lesbians have sex with transwoman or also be slured as
a transphobe.

https://terfisaslur.com/cotton-ceiling/

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-57853385 - \'We\'re being pressured
into sex by some trans women\'



I think you misunderstand how the media works.

My information is not based on the popular media, its reading the accounts
of actual people. Its research over many months.

I post typical media accounts just for a brief summary to describe the
issue.

As I noted, you really need to actually read the sites of

https://sex-matters.org/ Created by a woman who lost her job for stating
the truth.
https://allisonbailey.co.uk/ lesbian barrister suing Stonewall for trying
to get her fired
https://www.transgendertrend.com/
https://fairplayforwomen.com/ The destruction of the rights of woman by the
transgender lobby
https://www.faircop.org.uk/ The destruction of free speech by the
transgender lobby
https://lgballiance.org.uk/ The destruction of what it is to be gay
by the transgender lobby


The fact that it gets to parliamentary discussion like this link below,
tells you how large the issue is:

\"UK Human Rights Comm. MP Joanna Cherry questions Twitter on allowing
violence against women\"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3X0LXARUTE -


The LGB Alliance, now a formal charity, was setup specifically because the
transgender ideology IS destroying what it means to be gay.

Trans ideology IS indoctrinating schools, health services and government
organisations, such as the police.

Finally (20th/Dec/2021) the police have been declared unlawful with their
recording of \"hate incidents\" on a criminal database. This ruling came about
after the police enacted their Stonewall mandated trans ideology.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/humberside-police-college-of-policing-court-of-appeal-high-court-lincolnshire-b1979455.html


The UK government has had to issue guidance to schools to stop the rot.
Teaches have been indoctrinating children that want to play with dolls that
they must be transgender.

Children ARE being set on the path to sterilisation. 12 year olds, let
alone 3 year olds, have no idea of the consequences of going down a path of
transgender ideology.

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2020/sep/25/government-issues-gender-identity-guidance-for-teachers-in-england

The idea that all of the above organisations are simple misunderstanding
some minor issue generated by the pop media, is nonsense.

The reality is, Stonewall is now a men\'s rights organisation. It
fundamentally engages in activism to propagate men\'s demands as to what it
is to be a woman.

Stonewall and activists have done their propaganda job so well, that people
that many don\'t even try to find out the facts. The have convinced the
gullibly that \"there is no debate on trans the existence of trans and their
rights\" is the issue. It isn\'t. Its a Strawman.

The minority is fundamentally changing the lives of all, specifically, the
rights of 50% of the population, that is woman. Its irrelevant that some
proportion of transwoman don\'t support the activists. Its the activist that
are getting the laws changed and people cancelled.

Canada now has it illegal to not use a preferred pronoun in certain
situations. Its compelled speech. Its equivalent to requiring that a
Christian say \"may peace be upon him\" whenever they say \"\"Muhammad\". Trans
ideology has been given a free pass to override and destroy the rights of
anyone else if they conflict with the trans ideology.

What it is to be a woman is being erased. The idea that biological males
should compete in competitive sports as a female is absolutely insane. Its
nonsense. Biological sex exists. Its not a function of mental state.

Sure, currently the sample size is low, but the reality is 45% of Transwoman
in UK prison are there for sexual offences. Putting them in a female prison
is insane.

This is the logical consequence when one suspends reality. Giving men the
ability to claim that the are legally woman, snowballs deep into the rabbit
hole.

Men believing that they are woman should be treated no differently from
those believing that they are Napoleon, Elvis or Jesus.

They are either deluded or mentally ill.

Society should not be fundamentally changed to accommodate those whose
beliefs contradict reality.

-- Kevin Aylward

http://www.anasoft.co.uk/ SuperSpice
http://www.kevinaylward.co.uk/ee/index.html

 

[Phil Allison]

Kevin Aylward wrote:
===================

Finally (20th/Dec/2021) the police have been declared unlawful with their
recording of \"hate incidents\" on a criminal database. This ruling came about
after the police enacted their Stonewall mandated trans ideology.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/humberside-police-college-of-policing-court-of-appeal-high-court-lincolnshire-b1979455.html

** Harry Miller ( an ex police officer ) is a bit of a hero, spending 100s of thousands of pounds challenge to the \"thought police \" in the UK.
George Orwell would be quite impressed - I think.

Men believing that they are woman should be treated no differently from
those believing that they are Napoleon, Elvis or Jesus.
They are either deluded or mentally ill.

Society should not be fundamentally changed to accommodate those whose
beliefs contradict reality.

** However, exactly that has been going on for centuries.

In the name of various religions, Marxist ideology in it\'s many guises, Green lunacy and phony inclusiveness.
Any and all the above, if unchecked, will quickly lead to \" tears before bedtime \" .



...... Phil

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Tuesday, December 21, 2021 at 8:07:40 PM UTC+11, Kevin Aylward wrote:

\"David Brown\" wrote in message news:sppl69$j0l$1...@dont-email.me...

On 20/12/2021 09:25, Kevin Aylward wrote:

<snip for brevity>

> Men believing that they are woman should be treated no differently from those believing that they are Napoleon, Elvis or Jesus.

Except that they don\'t believe that they are women - they just want to be treated as if they were, which isn\'t the same thing at all.

> They are either deluded or mentally ill.

They aren\'t usually deluded. Gender dysphoria is a kind of mental illness, but the distress it creates can be reduced by treating the people who suffer from it as if they belonged to sex they would have preferred to be born into

> Society should not be fundamentally changed to accommodate those whose beliefs contradict reality.

It doesn\'t have to be fundamentally changed - the adjustments to cope with a few people with a mental problem aren\'t anything like fundamental, and we\'ve been coping with people who posed as members of the opposite sex as long as we\'ve had anything that looked vaguely like a society.

Kevin is getting his knickers in a twist about a minor problem posed by small number of people. No amount of rabid fulmination is going to persuade anybody sane that he\'s ranting about a problem that\'s worth worrying about, but we do have lunatic fringe here who seems to take him seriously.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Tuesday, December 21, 2021 at 9:33:29 PM UTC+11, palli...@gmail.com wrote:
> Kevin Aylward wrote:

<snip>

Society should not be fundamentally changed to accommodate those whose beliefs contradict reality.

** However, exactly that has been going on for centuries.

In the name of various religions, Marxist ideology in it\'s many guises, Green lunacy and phony inclusiveness.
Any and all the above, if unchecked, will quickly lead to \" tears before bedtime \" .

Religious beliefs do appear to conflict with reality. Marxist ideology started off as way of looking at society as divided between capital and labour, which doesn\'t actually contradict reality, though isn\'t always a popular point of view . When Marx - in his declining years - opted for the leading role of the communist party, he does seem to have made a bad choice.

\"Green lunacy\" is Phil\'s way of categorising those who take anthropogenic global warming seriously, which is to say he wants to contradict that particular reality.

What counts as \"phony inclusiveness\" is anybody\'s guess. Phil gets a lot of his nonsense from Sky News, and there\'s no making sense of that.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Kevin Aylward]

\"Phil Allison\" wrote in message
news:7d81d284-b8de-41f9-8ede-b2ae1cfea35an@googlegroups.com...

Kevin Aylward wrote:
===================

Finally (20th/Dec/2021) the police have been declared unlawful with their
recording of \"hate incidents\" on a criminal database. This ruling came
about
after the police enacted their Stonewall mandated trans ideology.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/humberside-police-college-of-policing-court-of-appeal-high-court-lincolnshire-b1979455.html

** Harry Miller ( an ex police officer ) is a bit of a hero, spending
100s of thousands of pounds challenge to the \"thought police \" in the UK.
George Orwell would be quite impressed - I think.

I have donated to the Miler cause crowdfunding, and several of the other
organisations I noted.

An overriding principle is that one cannot allow violent, delusional,
minorities to trample reality with ideology.

-- Kevin Aylward

http://www.anasoft.co.uk/ SuperSpice
http://www.kevinaylward.co.uk/ee/index.html

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Wednesday, December 22, 2021 at 4:03:58 AM UTC+11, Kevin Aylward wrote:

\"Anthony William Sloman\" wrote in message
news:061041d5-aefd-4e43...@googlegroups.com...
On Tuesday, December 21, 2021 at 8:07:40 PM UTC+11, Kevin Aylward wrote:
\"David Brown\" wrote in message news:sppl69$j0l$1...@dont-email.me...

On 20/12/2021 09:25, Kevin Aylward wrote:

snip for brevity

Men believing that they are woman should be treated no differently from
those believing that they are Napoleon, Elvis or Jesus.

Except that they don\'t believe that they are women - they just want to be
treated as if they were, which isn\'t the same thing at all.
You just don\'t get it, no matter how many times you have been informed.
Many do believe that they really are woman.

The Stonewall position is transwoman are woman\". Period.

And your position is that we should take you - and your idea of what Stonewall is saying - absolutely seriously.

You are trying to rationalise as to what you believe it should be. It isn\'t.
The nutjobs really believe that they are woman, and its the nutjobs that are
instigating the laws. The demand that everyone else bow down and accept that
men are truly woman.

And you are another nut-job who is silly enough to take them seriously, and expects to be taken seriously when puffing the same kind of inflammatory (if different) nonsense.

Harry Potter says \"transwoman are woman\" that\'s the reality of the world wide delusion...

https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/transgender-women-are-women-daniel-radcliffe-clashes-j-k-rowling-n1228106

Sound bites don\'t always mean what the reporters seem to think they mean. Actors speak the lines - they don\'t write them - and J.K.Rowling is famous for writing fantasy that appeals to kids. not closely reasoned commentaries about the way our society actually works.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Kevin Aylward]

\"Anthony William Sloman\" wrote in message
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On Wednesday, December 22, 2021 at 4:03:58 AM UTC+11, Kevin Aylward wrote:

\"Anthony William Sloman\" wrote in message
news:061041d5-aefd-4e43...@googlegroups.com...
On Tuesday, December 21, 2021 at 8:07:40 PM UTC+11, Kevin Aylward wrote:
\"David Brown\" wrote in message news:sppl69$j0l$1...@dont-email.me...

On 20/12/2021 09:25, Kevin Aylward wrote:

snip for brevity

Men believing that they are woman should be treated no differently from
those believing that they are Napoleon, Elvis or Jesus.

Except that they don\'t believe that they are women - they just want to be
treated as if they were, which isn\'t the same thing at all.
You just don\'t get it, no matter how many times you have been informed.
Many do believe that they really are woman.

The Stonewall position is transwoman are woman\". Period.

And your position is that we should take you - and your idea of what
Stonewall is saying - absolutely seriously.

Sure, Stonewall claim that anyone expressing \"gender critical\" views is at
the level of engaging in anti-Semitism.

https://www.thejc.com/news/uk/anger-grows-over-stonewall-boss-antisemitism-comment-1.517532


You just don\'t get it. You live in your delusion bubble with no idea
whatsoever what\'s going on outside it.

Classic senility.

It meant nothing to you that Harry Miller went through the High Court then
the Appeal Court to finally get rulings that the Police are acting
unlawfully for preventing, among others, people from criticising gender
ideology.

As noted above, Stonewall have this repugnant position of:

\"With all beliefs including controversial beliefs there is a right to
express those beliefs publicly and where they\'re harmful or damaging -
whether it\'s antisemitic beliefs, gender critical beliefs, beliefs about
disability - we have legal systems that are put in place for people who are
harmed by that,” she said.\"

What the Fuck!!!!

That is, simply expressing that \"transwoman are men\" and those nutjobs at
Stonewall classify one as, effectively, a Nazi. Its astounding.



-- Kevin Aylward

http://www.anasoft.co.uk/ SuperSpice
http://www.kevinaylward.co.uk/ee/index.html

 

[Phil Allison]

Kevin Aylward wrote:
==================

Just don\'t get it. You live in your delusion bubble with no idea
whatsoever what\'s going on outside it.

Classic senility.

It meant nothing to you that Harry Miller went through the High Court then
the Appeal Court to finally get rulings that the Police are acting
unlawfully for preventing, among others, people from criticising gender
ideology.

** Seriously Kev, the situation here in Australia is actually *worse* !!!

The NSW ( where I live) Anti Discrimination Act has been amended to include any form
of \"vilification\" of a gay or trans person or group by any means and if only by implication.

The offending words need not be published anywhere or in front of a group of people.
Offending T shirts and the like are also culpable and individual wearers can face compensation
claims up to A$100,000.

Decisions on liability and monies to be paid are made by a tribunal (called NCAT ) decided by
one *non judge* person. Mostly female public servants with a dodgy arts/ law degree.
I kid you not.

Happened to a good friend of mine - cost her thousands for making only \"fair comment\"\'
remarks to a gay neighbour.
The outcome was used maliciously by political opponents remove her from her position
on the local council. Which is now \"woke\" as all hell.



...... Phil

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Wednesday, December 22, 2021 at 9:19:38 PM UTC+11, Kevin Aylward wrote:

\"Anthony William Sloman\" wrote in message
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On Wednesday, December 22, 2021 at 4:03:58 AM UTC+11, Kevin Aylward wrote:
\"Anthony William Sloman\" wrote in message
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On Tuesday, December 21, 2021 at 8:07:40 PM UTC+11, Kevin Aylward wrote:
\"David Brown\" wrote in message news:sppl69$j0l$1...@dont-email.me...

On 20/12/2021 09:25, Kevin Aylward wrote:

snip for brevity

Men believing that they are woman should be treated no differently from
those believing that they are Napoleon, Elvis or Jesus.

Except that they don\'t believe that they are women - they just want to be
treated as if they were, which isn\'t the same thing at all.

You just don\'t get it, no matter how many times you have been informed..
Many do believe that they really are women.

They may believe that they should be treated as if they were women.

\"Really are\" doesn\'t get down the the specifics of chromosome counts and other physiological details.

> >> The Stonewall position is transwoman are woman\". Period.

That\'s simple-minded enough for any nut-case to respond to, and you\'ve responded as expected.

And your position is that we should take you - and your idea of what Stonewall is saying - absolutely seriously.

Sure, Stonewall claim that anyone expressing \"gender critical\" views is at the level of engaging in anti-Semitism.

That\'s troll-baiting, and you have fallen for it.

> https://www.thejc.com/news/uk/anger-grows-over-stonewall-boss-antisemitism-comment-1.517532

And it got lots and lots of lovely publicity. As advertisers say, there is no such thing as bad publicity.

> You just don\'t get it. You live in your delusion bubble with no idea whatsoever what\'s going on outside it.

Says Kevin, who lives inside his own delusion bubble.

> Classic senility.

Scarcely, though Kevin\'s flight from reality may suggest that he has his own problems.

> It meant nothing to you that Harry Miller went through the High Court then the Appeal Court to finally get rulings that the Police are acting unlawfully for preventing, among others, people from criticising gender ideology.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/free-speech-victory-for-trans-tweet-ex-policeman-harry-miller-at-appeal-court-ddb973chd

That\'s not actually what the judgment was about.

As noted above, Stonewall have this repugnant position of:

\"With all beliefs including controversial beliefs there is a right to
express those beliefs publicly and where they\'re harmful or damaging -
whether it\'s antisemitic beliefs, gender critical beliefs, beliefs about
disability - we have legal systems that are put in place for people who are
harmed by that,” she said.\"

There\'s nothing particularly repugnant about saying that people shouldn\'t be harmed. Some people do seem to be remarkably enthusiastic about interpreting some statements of fact as harmful to them, but lots of people do have silly ideas - few as silly as yours, but you do post your silly ideas here, where they do waste bandwidth.

> That is, simply expressing that \"transwoman are men\" and those nutjobs at Stonewall classify one as, effectively, a Nazi. Its astounding.

You do seem to be adopting a simple biological definition of \"man\" which isn\'t all that relevant to the question at issue, and your insistence that nothing else could possibly be relevant does seem to be malicious.

You really aren\'t in any position to complain about Stonewall\'s antics, or what you selectively present as Stonewall\'s antics.

--
Bill Sloman, sydney

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Wednesday, December 22, 2021 at 9:56:36 PM UTC+11, palli...@gmail.com wrote:

Kevin Aylward wrote:
==================

Just don\'t get it. You live in your delusion bubble with no idea
whatsoever what\'s going on outside it.

Classic senility.

It meant nothing to you that Harry Miller went through the High Court then
the Appeal Court to finally get rulings that the Police are acting
unlawfully for preventing, among others, people from criticising gender
ideology.

** Seriously Kev, the situation here in Australia is actually *worse* !!!

The NSW ( where I live) Anti Discrimination Act has been amended to include any form
of \"vilification\" of a gay or trans person or group by any means and if only by implication.

The offending words need not be published anywhere or in front of a group of people.
Offending T shirts and the like are also culpable and individual wearers can face compensation
claims up to A$100,000.

Decisions on liability and monies to be paid are made by a tribunal (called NCAT ) decided by
one *non judge* person. Mostly female public servants with a dodgy arts/ law degree.
I kid you not.

Happened to a good friend of mine - cost her thousands for making only \"fair comment\"\' remarks to a gay neighbour.

Phil has strange ideas about what might constitute fair comment. His friends can be expected to have similar blind spots.

> The outcome was used maliciously by political opponents remove her from her position on the local council. Which is now \"woke\" as all hell.

Upsetting potential voters is never a good idea. Scott Morrison seems hell-bent on proving the point in a larger electorate. Hillsong Pentacostalists do have tin ears.

Since the founder of the Hillsong church has been charged with concealing child sexual abuse by his father (another Pentacostal minister) \"fair comment\" can go both ways.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Kevin Aylward]

\"Anthony William Sloman\" wrote in message
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On Wednesday, December 22, 2021 at 9:19:38 PM UTC+11, Kevin Aylward wrote:

\"Anthony William Sloman\" wrote in message
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On Wednesday, December 22, 2021 at 4:03:58 AM UTC+11, Kevin Aylward wrote:
\"Anthony William Sloman\" wrote in message
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On Tuesday, December 21, 2021 at 8:07:40 PM UTC+11, Kevin Aylward wrote:
\"David Brown\" wrote in message news:sppl69$j0l$1...@dont-email.me...

On 20/12/2021 09:25, Kevin Aylward wrote:

snip for brevity

Men believing that they are woman should be treated no differently
from
those believing that they are Napoleon, Elvis or Jesus.

Except that they don\'t believe that they are women - they just want to
be
treated as if they were, which isn\'t the same thing at all.

You just don\'t get it, no matter how many times you have been informed.
Many do believe that they really are women.

They may believe that they should be treated as if they were women.

\"Really are\" doesn\'t get down the the specifics of chromosome counts and
other physiological details.

The Stonewall position is transwoman are woman\". Period.

That\'s simple-minded enough for any nut-case to respond to, and you\'ve
responded as expected.

Simply clueless. Absolutely no idea what\'s actually going on in the world

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/10/28/trans-row-professor-quits-university-post-toxic-environment/

And your position is that we should take you - and your idea of what
Stonewall is saying - absolutely seriously.

Sure, Stonewall claim that anyone expressing \"gender critical\" views is at
the level of engaging in anti-Semitism.

That\'s troll-baiting, and you have fallen for it.

I guess all of these have fallen for it as well.

https://allisonbailey.co.uk/
https://fairplayforwomen.com/
https://www.transgendertrend.com/
https://lgballiance.org.uk/
https://sex-matters.org/
https://www.faircop.org.uk/
https://terfisaslur.com/
https://legalfeminist.org.uk/

\"With all beliefs including controversial beliefs there is a right to
express those beliefs publicly and where they\'re harmful or damaging -
whether it\'s antisemitic beliefs, gender critical beliefs, beliefs about
disability - we have legal systems that are put in place for people who
are
harmed by that,” she said.\"

There\'s nothing particularly repugnant about saying that people shouldn\'t
be harmed.

Strawman. Its not about the issue of harm.

Its about claiming that all those that simple express \"gender critical
beliefs\" are Nazis. Its repugnant. Both to those expressing their views and
to the entire Jewish community that have the horrors of 6 million Jews
killed, as being equivalent to saying unpleasant things to trans activists.

Sure, a nutjob that believes that he is truly Elvis, Jesus or Napoleon may
well be upset when he is told that he isn\'t. However, no one has any ethical
obligation to pander to the delusions of nutjobs, especially when it involve
that that person is required to accept that which is false.

Its just a fact of life that people are going to be told and acted on in
ways they don\'t like. The mere claim of \"harm\" is not suffecient
justification for othere to to ignore their *own* rights of \"Freedom of
thought, conscience and religion\" - Article 9 ECHR

The trans lobbyist demand that the *minds* of others belong to tehm, and use
the disingenuous whining of \"you are harming me\" to justify it, completely
ignoring the harm that they are doing to others.

That is, simply expressing that \"transwoman are men\" and those nutjobs at
Stonewall classify one as, effectively, a Nazi. Its astounding.

You do seem to be adopting a simple biological definition of \"man\"

Sure. It\'s that simple. Its what 99% of the world accept as a man, and have
done since society existed. Dah....

Male: That species type which produces the small gamete (sperm)
Man: Adult human male.

End of..


There is no other idea of a man that is not incoherent babbling, as proven
here:

https://www.kevinaylward.co.uk/politics/Gender&Biology.htm


-- Kevin Aylward

http://www.anasoft.co.uk/ SuperSpice
http://www.kevinaylward.co.uk/ee/index.html

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 12:19:02 AM UTC+11, Kevin Aylward wrote:

\"Anthony William Sloman\" wrote in message
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On Wednesday, December 22, 2021 at 9:19:38 PM UTC+11, Kevin Aylward wrote:
\"Anthony William Sloman\" wrote in message
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On Wednesday, December 22, 2021 at 4:03:58 AM UTC+11, Kevin Aylward wrote:
\"Anthony William Sloman\" wrote in message
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On Tuesday, December 21, 2021 at 8:07:40 PM UTC+11, Kevin Aylward wrote:
\"David Brown\" wrote in message news:sppl69$j0l$1...@dont-email.me....

On 20/12/2021 09:25, Kevin Aylward wrote:

snip for brevity

Men believing that they are woman should be treated no differently
from
those believing that they are Napoleon, Elvis or Jesus.

Except that they don\'t believe that they are women - they just want to be treated as if they were, which isn\'t the same thing at all.

You just don\'t get it, no matter how many times you have been informed.
Many do believe that they really are women.

They may believe that they should be treated as if they were women.

\"Really are\" doesn\'t get down the the specifics of chromosome counts and other physiological details.

The Stonewall position is transwoman are woman\". Period.

That\'s simple-minded enough for any nut-case to respond to, and you\'ve responded as expected.

Simply clueless. Absolutely no idea what\'s actually going on in the world..

Kevin has a complete faith in his own view of the world. I don\'t share it, and I doubt if anybody sane could, but Kevin is a convert.

> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/10/28/trans-row-professor-quits-university-post-toxic-environment/

He\'s not the only nut-case around - this does seem to be an inflammatory issue, attracting lunatics from both sides, but there\'s always a liberal supply of lunatics and the rational position does seem to be to not to take either side all that seriously. If they start issuing death threats they may be seriously demented, and that may need closer attention, but it\'s more about them getting appropriate treatment than anything else.

And your position is that we should take you - and your idea of what Stonewall is saying - absolutely seriously.

Sure, Stonewall claim that anyone expressing \"gender critical\" views is at the level of engaging in anti-Semitism.

That\'s troll-baiting, and you have fallen for it.

I guess all of these have fallen for it as well.

<snipped the list of people who have been gulled>

Effective troll baiting then. But not to be taken seriously.

<snipped the rest - I can\'t pretend to take it seriously>

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney