OT: Overly complicated technology that doesn't work

On 7/05/2011 3:16 PM, Clocky wrote:
Sylvia Else wrote:
On 7/05/2011 2:36 AM, Clocky wrote:
"Sylvia Else"<sylvia@not.here.invalid> wrote in message
news:92he2pFqraU1@mid.individual.net...
On 6/05/2011 9:56 AM, terryc wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:

Sylvia's problem with her oven could have been solved, had she
connected the electric portion of the oven to her petrol
generator. In fact, the electric portion consumes so little
power, than a car battery and a small DC-AC inverter could have
been used. Sylvia has the technical abilities to manage this task
with consumate ease.

Probably. The ignitor part of our gas cooktop (the oven is
electric) has failed. When I contacted the parts place, there were
both mains and battery versions available.

If the oven just plain didn't work, I'd have a chance of fixing it,
and knowing that I had. As things stand, it misbehaves just
occasionally.

Use a match.

How is that going to work?


Dunno about your oven, but when the ignitor failed on our old oven you could
turn the gas on and use a match to light it.

Dunno on our new oven, haven't tried it.
Click to expand...
Probably not. If it's like mine, it has a flame sensor, and turns the
gas off after a limited period if the flame is not detected, so there's
no gas for the match to ignite.

Sylvia.
 
On 7/05/2011 4:53 PM, Graham Cooper wrote:
On May 7, 4:48 pm, Graham Cooper<grahamcoop...@gmail.com> wrote:
On May 7, 3:31 pm, Sylvia Else<syl...@not.here.invalid> wrote:





On 7/05/2011 3:16 PM, Clocky wrote:

Sylvia Else wrote:
On 7/05/2011 2:36 AM, Clocky wrote:
"Sylvia Else"<syl...@not.here.invalid> wrote in message
news:92he2pFqraU1@mid.individual.net...
On 6/05/2011 9:56 AM, terryc wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:

Sylvia's problem with her oven could have been solved, had she
connected the electric portion of the oven to her petrol
generator. In fact, the electric portion consumes so little
power, than a car battery and a small DC-AC inverter could have
been used. Sylvia has the technical abilities to manage this task
with consumate ease.

Probably. The ignitor part of our gas cooktop (the oven is
electric) has failed. When I contacted the parts place, there were
both mains and battery versions available.

If the oven just plain didn't work, I'd have a chance of fixing it,
and knowing that I had. As things stand, it misbehaves just
occasionally.

Use a match.

How is that going to work?

Dunno about your oven, but when the ignitor failed on our old oven you could
turn the gas on and use a match to light it.

Dunno on our new oven, haven't tried it.

Probably not. If it's like mine, it has a flame sensor, and turns the
gas off after a limited period if the flame is not detected, so there's
no gas for the match to ignite.



optical sensor?
Click to expand...
I think it's thermal. There's a wire poked into the flame that gets red
hot. If it's not the sensor, I can't imagine what it is.

Sylvia.
 
On May 7, 3:31 pm, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.here.invalid> wrote:
On 7/05/2011 3:16 PM, Clocky wrote:





Sylvia Else wrote:
On 7/05/2011 2:36 AM, Clocky wrote:
"Sylvia Else"<syl...@not.here.invalid>   wrote in message
news:92he2pFqraU1@mid.individual.net...
On 6/05/2011 9:56 AM, terryc wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:

Sylvia's problem with her oven could have been solved, had she
connected the electric portion of the oven to her petrol
generator. In fact, the electric portion consumes so little
power, than a car battery and a small DC-AC inverter could have
been used. Sylvia has the technical abilities to manage this task
with consumate ease.

Probably. The ignitor part of our gas cooktop (the oven is
electric) has failed. When I contacted the parts place, there were
both mains and battery versions available.

If the oven just plain didn't work, I'd have a chance of fixing it,
and knowing that I had. As things stand, it misbehaves just
occasionally.

Use a match.

How is that going to work?

Dunno about your oven, but when the ignitor failed on our old oven you could
turn the gas on and use a match to light it.

Dunno on our new oven, haven't tried it.

Probably not. If it's like mine, it has a flame sensor, and turns the
gas off after a limited period if the flame is not detected, so there's
no gas for the match to ignite.
Click to expand...

That could be suicidal nightmare!
 
On May 7, 4:48 pm, Graham Cooper <grahamcoop...@gmail.com> wrote:
On May 7, 3:31 pm, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.here.invalid> wrote:





On 7/05/2011 3:16 PM, Clocky wrote:

Sylvia Else wrote:
On 7/05/2011 2:36 AM, Clocky wrote:
"Sylvia Else"<syl...@not.here.invalid>   wrote in message
news:92he2pFqraU1@mid.individual.net...
On 6/05/2011 9:56 AM, terryc wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:

Sylvia's problem with her oven could have been solved, had she
connected the electric portion of the oven to her petrol
generator. In fact, the electric portion consumes so little
power, than a car battery and a small DC-AC inverter could have
been used. Sylvia has the technical abilities to manage this task
with consumate ease.

Probably. The ignitor part of our gas cooktop (the oven is
electric) has failed. When I contacted the parts place, there were
both mains and battery versions available.

If the oven just plain didn't work, I'd have a chance of fixing it,
and knowing that I had. As things stand, it misbehaves just
occasionally.

Use a match.

How is that going to work?

Dunno about your oven, but when the ignitor failed on our old oven you could
turn the gas on and use a match to light it.

Dunno on our new oven, haven't tried it.

Probably not. If it's like mine, it has a flame sensor, and turns the
gas off after a limited period if the flame is not detected, so there's
no gas for the match to ignite.
Click to expand...

optical sensor?
 
On 2011-05-06, Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> wrote:

The reverse is true, consecutive versions of Windows are getting
more and more stable


by removing half of the most useful features.

Such as?
Click to expand...
one that I miss is telnet.exe

I don't actually use windows but am called upon to debug problems with
it on occasion, and telnet was a great way to check id a SMTP or
HTTP server was accessable and functional before diving into the
innards of application configuration options.

hyperterminal was useful for debugging problem with serial port
hardware.

neither of these programs was ideal, but they were good enough.

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On May 7, 5:02 pm, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.here.invalid> wrote:
On 7/05/2011 4:53 PM, Graham Cooper wrote:





On May 7, 4:48 pm, Graham Cooper<grahamcoop...@gmail.com>  wrote:
On May 7, 3:31 pm, Sylvia Else<syl...@not.here.invalid>  wrote:

On 7/05/2011 3:16 PM, Clocky wrote:

Sylvia Else wrote:
On 7/05/2011 2:36 AM, Clocky wrote:
"Sylvia Else"<syl...@not.here.invalid>     wrote in message
news:92he2pFqraU1@mid.individual.net...
On 6/05/2011 9:56 AM, terryc wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:

Sylvia's problem with her oven could have been solved, had she
connected the electric portion of the oven to her petrol
generator. In fact, the electric portion consumes so little
power, than a car battery and a small DC-AC inverter could have
been used. Sylvia has the technical abilities to manage this task
with consumate ease.

Probably. The ignitor part of our gas cooktop (the oven is
electric) has failed. When I contacted the parts place, there were
both mains and battery versions available.

If the oven just plain didn't work, I'd have a chance of fixing it,
and knowing that I had. As things stand, it misbehaves just
occasionally.

Use a match.

How is that going to work?

Dunno about your oven, but when the ignitor failed on our old oven you could
turn the gas on and use a match to light it.

Dunno on our new oven, haven't tried it.

Probably not. If it's like mine, it has a flame sensor, and turns the
gas off after a limited period if the flame is not detected, so there's
no gas for the match to ignite.

optical sensor?

I think it's thermal. There's a wire poked into the flame that gets red
hot. If it's not the sensor, I can't imagine what it is.

Sylvia
Click to expand...

Damn! I was going to tell you to clean the oven!
 
Jasen Betts wrote:
On 2011-05-06, Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> wrote:

The reverse is true, consecutive versions of Windows are getting
more and more stable


by removing half of the most useful features.

Such as?

one that I miss is telnet.exe
Click to expand...
It's there under XP, dunno on later versions of Windows though - I don't use
them ;-)

I don't actually use windows but am called upon to debug problems with
it on occasion, and telnet was a great way to check id a SMTP or
HTTP server was accessable and functional before diving into the
innards of application configuration options.


hyperterminal was useful for debugging problem with serial port
hardware.

neither of these programs was ideal, but they were good enough.
Click to expand...
 
On May 8, 3:37 pm, "Clocky" <notg...@happen.com> wrote:
Jasen Betts wrote:
On 2011-05-06, Clocky <notg...@happen.com> wrote:

The reverse is true, consecutive versions of Windows are getting
more and more stable

by removing half of the most useful features.

Such as?

one that I miss is telnet.exe

It's there under XP, dunno on later versions of Windows though - I don't use
them ;-)







I don't actually use windows but am called upon to debug problems with
it on occasion, and telnet was a great way to check id a SMTP or
HTTP server was accessable and functional before diving into the
innards of application configuration options.

hyperterminal was useful for debugging problem with serial port
hardware.

neither of these programs was ideal, but they were good enough.
Click to expand...
Hyperterm isn't in W7. You have to install it yourself, and to do that
you need to copy the files out of a computer running XP and paste them
into W7. That makes W7 much less useful in my line of business so XP
will live to see another day and another few years.
 
On 6/05/2011 4:10 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:

**Meanwhile, those of us in more enlightened areas have electrically powered
ovens (I accept the clear advantages of gas cooktops), which don't seem to
have the sorts of silly problems you've encountered. We certainly don't cook
"packaged foods". Fresh is best.
Click to expand...
That reminds me, you can stick your holier-than-thou attitude where the
sun doesn't shine. I will make the call as to the appropriate balance
between nutrition, cost, time and convenience, in any particular
instance. No one else is in a position to make that judgement for me.

Sylvia.
 
Sylvia Else wrote:
On 6/05/2011 4:10 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:

**Meanwhile, those of us in more enlightened areas have electrically
powered ovens (I accept the clear advantages of gas cooktops), which
don't seem to have the sorts of silly problems you've encountered.
We certainly don't cook "packaged foods". Fresh is best.


That reminds me, you can stick your holier-than-thou attitude where
the sun doesn't shine. I will make the call as to the appropriate
balance between nutrition, cost, time and convenience, in any
particular instance. No one else is in a position to make that
judgement for me.
Click to expand...
**As you see fit.

Wrong side of the bed today?


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au
 
On 9/05/2011 11:52 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
Sylvia Else wrote:
On 6/05/2011 4:10 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:

**Meanwhile, those of us in more enlightened areas have electrically
powered ovens (I accept the clear advantages of gas cooktops), which
don't seem to have the sorts of silly problems you've encountered.
We certainly don't cook "packaged foods". Fresh is best.


That reminds me, you can stick your holier-than-thou attitude where
the sun doesn't shine. I will make the call as to the appropriate
balance between nutrition, cost, time and convenience, in any
particular instance. No one else is in a position to make that
judgement for me.

**As you see fit.

Wrong side of the bed today?
Click to expand...
Perhaps. And

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/consol_reg/rtrr2007478/s83d.html

Sylvia.
 
Sylvia Else wrote:
On 9/05/2011 11:52 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
Sylvia Else wrote:
On 6/05/2011 4:10 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:

**Meanwhile, those of us in more enlightened areas have
electrically powered ovens (I accept the clear advantages of gas
cooktops), which don't seem to have the sorts of silly problems
you've encountered. We certainly don't cook "packaged foods".
Fresh is best.

That reminds me, you can stick your holier-than-thou attitude where
the sun doesn't shine. I will make the call as to the appropriate
balance between nutrition, cost, time and convenience, in any
particular instance. No one else is in a position to make that
judgement for me.

**As you see fit.

Wrong side of the bed today?



Perhaps. And

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/consol_reg/rtrr2007478/s83d.html
Click to expand...
**Urk. Insurance knocked you back?

Bugger. Sorry to hear that.

It's why I drive a vehicle that is not worth insuring. And I try not to run
into anything. Driving a nice car has lost all it's appeal nowadays. One of
my mates rolled up the other day in an old (slightly beat-up) Falcon. I
asked: "Slumming it today, Bruce (knowing that Bruce owns a very nice,
current model E-Class Benz)?"

Bruce replied: "Nope, just off to Miranda Fair. I would never take the Merc
there."


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au
 
On 9/05/2011 12:04 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
Sylvia Else wrote:
On 9/05/2011 11:52 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
Sylvia Else wrote:
On 6/05/2011 4:10 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:

**Meanwhile, those of us in more enlightened areas have
electrically powered ovens (I accept the clear advantages of gas
cooktops), which don't seem to have the sorts of silly problems
you've encountered. We certainly don't cook "packaged foods".
Fresh is best.

That reminds me, you can stick your holier-than-thou attitude where
the sun doesn't shine. I will make the call as to the appropriate
balance between nutrition, cost, time and convenience, in any
particular instance. No one else is in a position to make that
judgement for me.

**As you see fit.

Wrong side of the bed today?



Perhaps. And

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/consol_reg/rtrr2007478/s83d.html

**Urk. Insurance knocked you back?

Bugger. Sorry to hear that.
Click to expand...
No - I was just reacting to

<http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/insurance-companies-are-writing-off-cars-with-minor-damage-to-avoid-repair-bills/story-e6freuy9-1226052090152>

The details are not that clear, in that on the one hand it appears that
the insurer has written the car off, but on the other hand, the owner is
still in possession.

That aside, if an insurer decides your vehicle is write-off, but you
want to keep it on the road, you have to apply to the RTA for a repair
authorisation. But to get one you have to fit into one of the
catergories in the regulation. They amount to some legislator's view of
why a person might reasonably want to repair a vehicle deemed by an
insurer to be a write-off. That is, the legislator is substituting their
own view about the course the owner should take for the course that the
owner wants to take, even though it's the owner's money.

That's why it reminded me.

It's why I drive a vehicle that is not worth insuring. And I try not to run
into anything. Driving a nice car has lost all it's appeal nowadays. One of
my mates rolled up the other day in an old (slightly beat-up) Falcon. I
asked: "Slumming it today, Bruce (knowing that Bruce owns a very nice,
current model E-Class Benz)?"

Bruce replied: "Nope, just off to Miranda Fair. I would never take the Merc
there."
Click to expand...
It appears the situation above can also arise if someone runs into you,
and their insurer decides that your car is a write-off.

Sylvia.

Followups to aus.cars
 
On 5/05/2011 6:30 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
This is a short rant prompted by the fact that I'll have to wait longer
than I expected for my dinner.

When I was a child, we had a simple gas oven. It had a mechanical
thermostat that controlled the flow of gas. You set the thermostat, lit
the oven, let it warm up, put the food in for the required time, and it
was ready.

Now we have gas ovens with electronics. Temperature is controlled by
turning the gas on and off, which requires that it be repeatedly
reignited. Leaving aside the fact that this means that a gas oven
doesn't work during power cuts, for some reason mine occasionally gets
into a state where it refuses to relight the gas, and essentially turns
itself off without any warning. The first one knows about it is when one
goes to remove the food, and discovers that it's not cooked (though by
how much is anyone's guess).

Ovens worked reliably 40 years ago. Why was it necessary to change the
design to something that doesn't?

Hungry Sylvia.
Click to expand...
BTW, I contacted the customer care centre for the brand (Westinghouse,
which is a division of Electrolux, apparently). I asked them whether
this was a known fault.

In reply they said "We are sorry to learn of the trouble you are
experiencing with your oven. As we are not technically trained we are
unable to advise why this fault is occurring. We can only suggest that a
technician inspects the unit."

They then outlined their technician fees, $95 call out, including 15
minutes of service time, and then $140 an hour in 15 minute increments.
Oh, plus parts, of course.

Gee, that's really supporting your product. Thanks for nothing.

Sylvia.
 
On 10-May-11 11:56 AM, Sylvia Else wrote:

They then outlined their technician fees, $95 call out, including 15 minutes of service time, and then $140 an hour in
15 minute increments. Oh, plus parts, of course.

Gee, that's really supporting your product. Thanks for nothing.

Sylvia.
Click to expand...
At that price, they should provide parts for free. :)

Cheers Don...

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Clocky wrote:
"Graham Cooper" <grahamcooper7@gmail.com> wrote in message

It's Birds Eye Vs McCain in my oven!

This isn't a metaphor about consecutive Windows versions getting
buggier is it?

The reverse is true, consecutive versions of Windows are getting more
and more stable.
Click to expand...
It's a bad move to defend Microsoft under any circumstances, even on the rare
occasions it is justified. Having done so will hang over your head for the rest
of your life. It's one of those things you can never live down.
 
Hi,

On 8/05/2011 17:52, Brad wrote:

hyperterminal was useful for debugging problem with serial port
hardware.

neither of these programs was ideal, but they were good enough.

Hyperterm isn't in W7. You have to install it yourself, and to do that
you need to copy the files out of a computer running XP and paste them
into W7. That makes W7 much less useful in my line of business so XP
will live to see another day and another few years.
Click to expand...
Telnet still exists in Windows, I have it on my Windows 7 64-bit machine.

Hyperterminal was garbage that was skewed towards dial-up services (e.g
you had to create a connection to access the serial terminal).

Most people realise this and use real serial terminal software that is
free too, such as:

Tera Term Pro
PuTTY (highly recommended)

Regards,

Ross..
 
Hi,

On 5/05/2011 20:05, Wolfgang Wildeblood wrote:

The reverse is true, consecutive versions of Windows are getting more and
more stable.

More stable but less usable. I'd use XP in preference to 7 any day.
Click to expand...
I used to think that when I tried to use Vista, but Windows 7 is
actually superior to XP in most ways. Especially for the average home
user that doesn't know much about how their operating system works.

Regards,

Ross..
 
On May 14, 1:10 pm, Ross Vumbaca <ros...@au.com.optushome> wrote:
Hi,

On 8/05/2011 17:52, Brad wrote:

hyperterminal was useful for debugging problem with serial port
hardware.

neither of these programs was ideal, but they were good enough.

Hyperterm isn't in W7. You have to install it yourself, and to do that
you need to copy the files out of a computer running XP and paste them
into W7. That makes W7 much less useful in my line of business so XP
will live to see another day and another few years.

Telnet still exists in Windows, I have it on my Windows 7 64-bit machine.

Hyperterminal was garbage that was skewed towards dial-up services (e.g
you had to create a connection to access the serial terminal).

Most people realise this and use real serial terminal software that is
free too, such as:

Tera Term Pro
PuTTY (highly recommended)

Regards,

Ross..
Click to expand...
I would say that Most people Don't use those others, when the
Maintenance Manual calls up Hyperterminal and gives the correct
settings, most people don't bugger around wasting time with other
software that may create more problems than they solve.
 
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