OT: Overly complicated technology that doesn't work

On May 6, 8:36 pm, "Herman" <r...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

"Coach" <suv...@yahoo.fr> wrote in message

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On May 5, 10:07 pm, "Herman" <r...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

"Sylvia Else" <syl...@not.here.invalid> wrote in message

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This is a short rant prompted by the fact that I'll have to wait longer
than I expected for my dinner.

When I was a child, we had a simple gas oven. It had a mechanical
thermostat that controlled the flow of gas. You set the thermostat, lit
the oven, let it warm up, put the food in for the required time, and it
was ready.

Now we have gas ovens with electronics. Temperature is controlled by
turning the gas on and off, which requires that it be repeatedly
reignited. Leaving aside the fact that this means that a gas oven
doesn't
work during power cuts, for some reason mine occasionally gets into a
state where it refuses to relight the gas, and essentially turns itself
off without any warning. The first one knows about it is when one goes
to
remove the food, and discovers that it's not cooked (though by how much
is
anyone's guess).

Ovens worked reliably 40 years ago. Why was it necessary to change the
design to something that doesn't?

Hungry Sylvia.

I will rant in the same area but with a different uptake on the problem.. I
am in my 60s. I saw the development of the integrated circuit, space
travel
era, color TV, computers, cell phones. I was part of that and as an
electronics engineer participated in much of this development.

OK, let's cut the bullshit right now before you even begin. The first
space travel program was the Mercury Program in 1958, so if we are to
take your word as true, you were a fully qualified electronics
engineer employed by NASA at what, 7 years of age or so?  I'm
surprised we have not heard of you before now.

Mister Coach you are similar to my wife.  If I make a seven word sentence
she will take out the four words that promote her cause and ignore the rest.
The third word in my initial response is "rant".

  FROM WIKIPEDIA
A rant is a speech or text that does not present a calm argument; rather, it
is typically an enthusiastic speech or talk or lecture on an idea, a person
or an institution.

Rants can be based on partial fact or may be entirely factual but written in
a comedic/satirical form. Rants can also be used in the defense of an
individual, idea or organization. Rants of this type generally occur after
the subject has been attacked by another individual or group.

My first notable accomplishment was a respiratory monitor on the Sky Lab
project in late
1971.  I know it crashed and burned (as designed) but what we did there
played a big part of future space travel.  I also have equipment still
flying on the Hubble Telescope.  Did I design the Sky Lab or Hubble, of
course not.  Many of us had a hand in it.  Did we innovate?  Definitely.

In 1983 a mechanical engineer and I developed a tester for racquet balls;
still the world standard.  Did it make the world a better place? No. But
unless your name is Ray you did not work on it.

Did I design the transistor?  Of course not but while in school I was
working with $15 per chip 7400 logic.  How many of you remember the MHTL
logic line?  Do I use a computer?  Sure.  Did I invent it?  Of course not,
but I used a VIC20 (remember those) to build fuselages for Boeing Aircraft.

Innovation; 1974 I designed the FIRST continuous feed weigh belt to have a
state of California seal for commerce.  I designed ground support equipment
for the Stealth Bomber before most people knew there was a Stealth Bomber,
and this equipment is still in use.

Have you heard of me?  I doubt it.  I never claimed to be famous.  But if
you ever rode in a Ford Areostar you were using software that I developed to
simulate the driver compartment mockup before the line went into production.
If you saw the Star Wars movies you saw some special effects I worked on.
If you ever have been to any of the Disney them parks your memorable
experiences there were because of something I had a hand in.  Next time you
are in Taipei and turn on a light and it comes on it is because I worked on
the nuclear power plant there.
Click to expand...
Yes! Nominated for Comeback of the Week (COTW).
 
RE: there is nothing left to innovate

Yes IP laws are just corporate guard dogs these days

ALL copyright should be 2 years!

We should be able to download XP, Lady Gaga, and Revenge of the Nerds
by now!

You have to wait 100 years after someone's death to use a phrase that
they coined!

There has to be a COMPROMISE between the File sharing brigade and the
corporate copyrighters

If you want NEW media then you can pay
2 years old and it should be free to download, use as you wish!
 
"Graham Cooper" <grahamcooper7@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On May 6, 8:16 pm, "Clocky" <notg...@happen.com> wrote:
Graham Cooper wrote:
On May 6, 7:23 pm, "Clocky" <notg...@happen.com> wrote:
Clocky wrote:
Graham Cooper wrote:
On May 5, 7:43 pm, "Clocky" <notg...@happen.com> wrote:
"Graham Cooper" <grahamcoop...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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On May 5, 6:30 pm, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.here.invalid> wrote:

This is a short rant prompted by the fact that I'll have to wait
longer than I expected for my dinner.

When I was a child, we had a simple gas oven. It had a mechanical
thermostat that controlled the flow of gas. You set the
thermostat, lit the oven, let it warm up, put the food in for
the required time, and it was ready.

Now we have gas ovens with electronics. Temperature is controlled
by turning the gas on and off, which requires that it be
repeatedly reignited. Leaving aside the fact that this means
that a gas oven doesn't work during power cuts, for some reason
mine occasionally gets into a state where it refuses to relight
the gas, and essentially turns itself off without any warning.
The first one knows about it is when one goes to remove the
food, and discovers that it's not cooked (though by how much is
anyone's guess).

Ovens worked reliably 40 years ago. Why was it necessary to
change the design to something that doesn't?

Hungry Sylvia.

It's Birds Eye Vs McCain in my oven!

This isn't a metaphor about consecutive Windows versions getting
buggier is it?

The reverse is true, consecutive versions of Windows are getting
more and more stable

by removing half of the most useful features.

Such as?

...and your original claim that consecutive versions of windows got
buggier is utter nonsense regardless. From 1.x to XP saw more and
better features and increased stability all the way through (except
for Win ME perhaps)

Well I just typed in PAY into the search box and got

Think you have to pay taxes? Think again!
Looking to buy traffic with paypal
Nailed to a cross to die further for innocent...
More RAM please add memory to your computer

and a dozen more CONVERSATIONS nothing do do with my PAY.XLS file I
wanted to search for

the memory card in the side of the computer never registers anywhere,
I have to open pictures just to see what the height and width are, I
don't even know what the file type is on the pictures they are HPP
PHOTO FILE whatever that is! I can't uninstall half of the programs,
every time I click a wrong key the form submits with half the data on
it or goes to a new page and my form entry is lost, 20 windows popup
every day because my fingers slip on some keyboard shortcut, dozens
more...

I don't even TRY to find a function any more - everything is disabled
and hidden to force you to upgrade next version.

You're just incompetent
Click to expand...

have to download everything twice because there's no way to find
recent files
have to click 20 directories every time you upload
have to scroll past WINDOWS and MICROSOFT and OFFICE links to run
EXCEL which is under STARTER EDITION
have to search to find Accessories
set as background does exactly that - never accomplishes setting the
background image
most menus are disabled
there's MY_DOWNLOADS DOWNLOADS USER/../DOWNLOADS which is never the
same download directory
clicking on MY_DOCUMENTS asks for a system password
DESKTOP moves around the directory structure half the time it's under
FAVORITES
it still can't multitask
IE freezes even though the page has mostly loaded
I click View Images and the prompt is DO YOU WANT TO SEE ..... just
the secure images... and the correct response is NO

I don't even program on the thing I just view the internet and that's
20!

As I said, you're incompetent.
 
"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.here.invalid> wrote in message
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On 6/05/2011 9:56 AM, terryc wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:

Sylvia's problem with her oven could have been solved, had she
connected the electric portion of the oven to her petrol generator. In
fact, the electric portion consumes so little power, than a car
battery and a small DC-AC inverter could have been used. Sylvia has
the technical abilities to manage this task with consumate ease.

Probably. The ignitor part of our gas cooktop (the oven is electric) has
failed. When I contacted the parts place, there were both mains and
battery versions available.

If the oven just plain didn't work, I'd have a chance of fixing it, and
knowing that I had. As things stand, it misbehaves just occasionally.
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Use a match.
 
On May 7, 12:34 am, "Clocky" <notg...@happen.com> wrote:

"Graham Cooper" <grahamcoop...@gmail.com> wrote in message

You're just incompetent

have to download everything twice because there's no way to find
recent files
have to click 20 directories every time you upload
have to scroll past WINDOWS and MICROSOFT and OFFICE links to run
EXCEL which is under STARTER EDITION
have to search to find Accessories
set as background does exactly that - never accomplishes setting the
background image
most menus are disabled
there's MY_DOWNLOADS DOWNLOADS USER/../DOWNLOADS which is never the
same download directory
clicking on MY_DOCUMENTS asks for a system password
DESKTOP moves around the directory structure half the time it's under
FAVORITES
it still can't multitask
IE freezes even though the page has mostly loaded
I click View Images and the prompt is DO YOU WANT TO SEE ..... just
the secure images... and the correct response is NO

I don't even program on the thing I just view the internet and that's
20!

As I said, you're incompetent.
Click to expand...
As in he can't even count to twenty.
 
On May 6, 6:28 pm, Brad <goog...@vk2qq.com> wrote:
On May 6, 5:47 pm, Wolfgang Wildeblood <wolfgangwildebl...@gmail.com
wrote:





On May 6, 3:09 pm, Brad <goog...@vk2qq.com> wrote:

On May 6, 4:47 pm, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.here.invalid> wrote:

On 6/05/2011 4:26 PM, Wolfgang Wildeblood wrote:

On May 6, 12:59 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:

The user manual (who reads those?) devotes most of a page to the issues
associated with failure to ignite the gas, and describes pretty much the
behaviour I've seen. It looks like either the igniter doesn't work
properly (though it works most of the time), or the flame sensor doesn't
(ditto). What's clearly lacking in the design is any sort of alarm to
alert the user to the problem. The user is expected to observe that the
system has adopted a "safe" state by noting that the thermostat
indicator is on, but the flame is off, which is a tad hard to do if
one's in a different room at the time.

Sylvia, I suggest you install a video surveillance system so you can
observe your oven while in other rooms. It need not be anything fancy,
just a cheap webcam connected to your home LAN.

I was thinking of something more sophisticated to monitor the states of
the flame and thermostat light, and sound a klaxon audible three streets
away if there's a discrepancy.

You could just monitor the oven temperature with a wireless
thermometer.

I'm still waiting for my bluetooth coffee cup.

http://www.cafepress.com.au/+nice_bluetooth_douchebag_large_mug,48907...
Click to expand...
What the hell's this link for, Bradley? Are you one of those anti-
bluetooth weirdos? Bluetooth rocks, it would be in everything if I
were running the show!



 So I definitely agree

with Herman that the rate of innovation/renovation is slowing. Do the
purveyors of wireless gadgetry not understand that civilized people
don't want their food and drinks served at "about" the right
temperature? Let poor people scold their fingers on cups that are too
hot or suffer coffee that has been let cool too long.

S C A L D.  Naughty burnt fingers, naughty.
Click to expand...
You just weight until I can type with both hands again, Bradley,
you'll keep.
 
On May 7, 3:35 am, Wolfgang Wildeblood <wolfgangwildebl...@gmail.com>
wrote:
On May 6, 6:28 pm, Brad <goog...@vk2qq.com> wrote:



On May 6, 5:47 pm, Wolfgang Wildeblood <wolfgangwildebl...@gmail.com
wrote:

On May 6, 3:09 pm, Brad <goog...@vk2qq.com> wrote:

On May 6, 4:47 pm, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.here.invalid> wrote:

On 6/05/2011 4:26 PM, Wolfgang Wildeblood wrote:

On May 6, 12:59 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:

The user manual (who reads those?) devotes most of a page to the issues
associated with failure to ignite the gas, and describes pretty much the
behaviour I've seen. It looks like either the igniter doesn't work
properly (though it works most of the time), or the flame sensor doesn't
(ditto). What's clearly lacking in the design is any sort of alarm to
alert the user to the problem. The user is expected to observe that the
system has adopted a "safe" state by noting that the thermostat
indicator is on, but the flame is off, which is a tad hard to do if
one's in a different room at the time.

Sylvia, I suggest you install a video surveillance system so you can
observe your oven while in other rooms. It need not be anything fancy,
just a cheap webcam connected to your home LAN.

I was thinking of something more sophisticated to monitor the states of
the flame and thermostat light, and sound a klaxon audible three streets
away if there's a discrepancy.

You could just monitor the oven temperature with a wireless
thermometer.

I'm still waiting for my bluetooth coffee cup.

http://www.cafepress.com.au/+nice_bluetooth_douchebag_large_mug,48907...

What the hell's this link for, Bradley? Are you one of those anti-
bluetooth weirdos? Bluetooth rocks, it would be in everything if I
were running the show!

 So I definitely agree

with Herman that the rate of innovation/renovation is slowing. Do the
purveyors of wireless gadgetry not understand that civilized people
don't want their food and drinks served at "about" the right
temperature? Let poor people scold their fingers on cups that are too
hot or suffer coffee that has been let cool too long.

S C A L D.  Naughty burnt fingers, naughty.

You just weight until I can type with both hands again, Bradley,
you'll keep.
Click to expand...
I can't weight, I'm on a diet.

I like Bluetooth. Bluetooth makes everything better. But that said I
have to wonder about the people wandering the supermarket aisles and
still wearing their BT earpieces. Do they think they look cool, like
Uhura? Does it make them appear more important? Do they need to be
totally connected and always ready to answer that call? It might be
the Lotto people with good news I suppose. Why can't they just wait
for the phone to ring then put it on?
 
On May 7, 1:59 am, Brad <goog...@vk2qq.com> wrote:
On May 7, 3:35 am, Wolfgang Wildeblood <wolfgangwildebl...@gmail.com
wrote:





On May 6, 6:28 pm, Brad <goog...@vk2qq.com> wrote:

On May 6, 5:47 pm, Wolfgang Wildeblood <wolfgangwildebl...@gmail.com
wrote:

On May 6, 3:09 pm, Brad <goog...@vk2qq.com> wrote:

On May 6, 4:47 pm, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.here.invalid> wrote:

On 6/05/2011 4:26 PM, Wolfgang Wildeblood wrote:

On May 6, 12:59 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:

The user manual (who reads those?) devotes most of a page to the issues
associated with failure to ignite the gas, and describes pretty much the
behaviour I've seen. It looks like either the igniter doesn't work
properly (though it works most of the time), or the flame sensor doesn't
(ditto). What's clearly lacking in the design is any sort of alarm to
alert the user to the problem. The user is expected to observe that the
system has adopted a "safe" state by noting that the thermostat
indicator is on, but the flame is off, which is a tad hard to do if
one's in a different room at the time.

Sylvia, I suggest you install a video surveillance system so you can
observe your oven while in other rooms. It need not be anything fancy,
just a cheap webcam connected to your home LAN.

I was thinking of something more sophisticated to monitor the states of
the flame and thermostat light, and sound a klaxon audible three streets
away if there's a discrepancy.

You could just monitor the oven temperature with a wireless
thermometer.

I'm still waiting for my bluetooth coffee cup.

http://www.cafepress.com.au/+nice_bluetooth_douchebag_large_mug,48907....

What the hell's this link for, Bradley? Are you one of those anti-
bluetooth weirdos? Bluetooth rocks, it would be in everything if I
were running the show!

 So I definitely agree

with Herman that the rate of innovation/renovation is slowing. Do the
purveyors of wireless gadgetry not understand that civilized people
don't want their food and drinks served at "about" the right
temperature? Let poor people scold their fingers on cups that are too
hot or suffer coffee that has been let cool too long.

S C A L D.  Naughty burnt fingers, naughty.

You just weight until I can type with both hands again, Bradley,
you'll keep.

I can't weight, I'm on a diet.

I like Bluetooth. Bluetooth makes everything better. But that said I
have to wonder about the people wandering the supermarket aisles and
still wearing their BT earpieces. Do they think they look cool, like
Uhura? Does it make them appear more important? Do they need to be
totally connected and always ready to answer that call? It might be
the Lotto people with good news I suppose. Why can't they just wait
for the phone to ring then put it on?
Click to expand...
They're w8ing for Barbara Eden's voice to whisper in their ear, "Your
coffee is now at your preferred drinking temperature, master." But
it's not happening because THEY are not making bluetooth-equipped
coffee mugs, because THEY think THEY know there is no market for them,
but THEY ARE SO WRONG! (The earpieces are a bit trekkie-esque, I
agree, but there's more to bluetooth than those things.)
 
Brad wrote:
On May 6, 11:48 am, "Trevor Wilson" <tre...@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:

Element 14 should be able to provide suitable replacements.

What were Farnell execs thinking? Element 14? Why didn't they go for
iPart 2.0 ?
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**It's utterly fucked. I've told them so. They had a very successful and
well respected branding. So they changed it to something else.

Idiots.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au
 
Brad wrote:
On May 7, 7:12 am, "Trevor Wilson" <tre...@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
Brad wrote:
On May 6, 11:48 am, "Trevor Wilson" <tre...@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:

Element 14 should be able to provide suitable replacements.

What were Farnell execs thinking? Element 14? Why didn't they go for
iPart 2.0 ?

**It's utterly fucked. I've told them so. They had a very successful
and well respected branding. So they changed it to something else.

Idiots.

--
Trevor Wilsonwww.rageaudio.com.au

I'll bet Newark-in-One had something to do with it. "Element 14" is
just plain stupid. Does anyone know what it is supposed to signify?
Click to expand...
**Carbon.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au
 
On Fri, 6 May 2011 18:20:56 +0800, "Clocky" <notgonn@happen.com>
wrote:

Wolfgang Wildeblood wrote:
On May 6, 5:23 pm, "Clocky" <notg...@happen.com> wrote:
Clocky wrote:
Graham Cooper wrote:
On May 5, 7:43 pm, "Clocky" <notg...@happen.com> wrote:
"Graham Cooper" <grahamcoop...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:30035199-119f-4a3e-baf8-741d4366b512@y27g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
On May 5, 6:30 pm, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.here.invalid> wrote:

This is a short rant prompted by the fact that I'll have to wait
longer than I expected for my dinner.

When I was a child, we had a simple gas oven. It had a mechanical
thermostat that controlled the flow of gas. You set the
thermostat, lit the oven, let it warm up, put the food in for
the required time, and it was ready.

Now we have gas ovens with electronics. Temperature is controlled
by turning the gas on and off, which requires that it be
repeatedly reignited. Leaving aside the fact that this means
that a gas oven doesn't work during power cuts, for some reason
mine occasionally gets into a state where it refuses to relight
the gas, and essentially turns itself off without any warning.
The first one knows about it is when one goes to remove the
food, and discovers that it's not cooked (though by how much is
anyone's guess).

Ovens worked reliably 40 years ago. Why was it necessary to
change the design to something that doesn't?

Hungry Sylvia.

It's Birds Eye Vs McCain in my oven!

This isn't a metaphor about consecutive Windows versions getting
buggier is it?

The reverse is true, consecutive versions of Windows are getting
more and more stable

by removing half of the most useful features.

Such as?

...and your original claim that consecutive versions of windows got
buggier is utter nonsense regardless. From 1.x to XP saw more and
better features and increased stability all the way through (except
for Win ME perhaps).

That's crap, Clocky.

Nope.

ME was one of the best; it's 98 that used to
crash every two hours no matter how gently one treated it.

Nope, 98SE was the best version of Windows until XP came out.
Click to expand...
Not a fan of Win 2K? I thought it was a huge improvment over 9x in
terms of stability.
 
"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
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I'll bet Newark-in-One had something to do with it. "Element 14" is
just plain stupid. Does anyone know what it is supposed to signify?

**Carbon.
Click to expand...
silicon is 14
an isotope of carbon used for age determination weighs 14 which is where you probably got
it, thats what I thought of off the bat :)

silicon and carbon are group 14

'Element 14' ? possibly something significant , or not
 
On May 7, 7:12 am, "Trevor Wilson" <tre...@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
Brad wrote:
On May 6, 11:48 am, "Trevor Wilson" <tre...@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:

 Element 14 should be able to provide suitable replacements.

What were Farnell execs thinking? Element 14? Why didn't they go for
iPart 2.0 ?

**It's utterly fucked. I've told them so. They had a very successful and
well respected branding. So they changed it to something else.

Idiots.

--
Trevor Wilsonwww.rageaudio.com.au
Click to expand...
I'll bet Newark-in-One had something to do with it. "Element 14" is
just plain stupid. Does anyone know what it is supposed to signify?
 
Jeßus wrote:
On Fri, 6 May 2011 18:20:56 +0800, "Clocky" <notgonn@happen.com
wrote:

Wolfgang Wildeblood wrote:
On May 6, 5:23 pm, "Clocky" <notg...@happen.com> wrote:
Clocky wrote:
Graham Cooper wrote:
On May 5, 7:43 pm, "Clocky" <notg...@happen.com> wrote:
"Graham Cooper" <grahamcoop...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:30035199-119f-4a3e-baf8-741d4366b512@y27g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
On May 5, 6:30 pm, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.here.invalid> wrote:

This is a short rant prompted by the fact that I'll have to
wait longer than I expected for my dinner.

When I was a child, we had a simple gas oven. It had a
mechanical thermostat that controlled the flow of gas. You set
the thermostat, lit the oven, let it warm up, put the food in
for the required time, and it was ready.

Now we have gas ovens with electronics. Temperature is
controlled by turning the gas on and off, which requires that
it be repeatedly reignited. Leaving aside the fact that this
means that a gas oven doesn't work during power cuts, for some
reason mine occasionally gets into a state where it refuses to
relight the gas, and essentially turns itself off without any
warning. The first one knows about it is when one goes to
remove the food, and discovers that it's not cooked (though by
how much is anyone's guess).

Ovens worked reliably 40 years ago. Why was it necessary to
change the design to something that doesn't?

Hungry Sylvia.

It's Birds Eye Vs McCain in my oven!

This isn't a metaphor about consecutive Windows versions getting
buggier is it?

The reverse is true, consecutive versions of Windows are getting
more and more stable

by removing half of the most useful features.

Such as?

...and your original claim that consecutive versions of windows got
buggier is utter nonsense regardless. From 1.x to XP saw more and
better features and increased stability all the way through (except
for Win ME perhaps).

That's crap, Clocky.

Nope.

ME was one of the best; it's 98 that used to
crash every two hours no matter how gently one treated it.

Nope, 98SE was the best version of Windows until XP came out.

Not a fan of Win 2K? I thought it was a huge improvment over 9x in
terms of stability.
Click to expand...
Stability yes, but not so much features for the average home user. XP
changed that.
 
On May 6, 10:36 pm, "Herman" <r...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
"Coach" <suv...@yahoo.fr> wrote in message

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On May 5, 10:07 pm, "Herman" <r...@bellsouth.net> wrote:



"Sylvia Else" <syl...@not.here.invalid> wrote in message

news:92f5h9Fu4fU1@mid.individual.net...

This is a short rant prompted by the fact that I'll have to wait longer
than I expected for my dinner.

When I was a child, we had a simple gas oven. It had a mechanical
thermostat that controlled the flow of gas. You set the thermostat, lit
the oven, let it warm up, put the food in for the required time, and it
was ready.

Now we have gas ovens with electronics. Temperature is controlled by
turning the gas on and off, which requires that it be repeatedly
reignited. Leaving aside the fact that this means that a gas oven
doesn't
work during power cuts, for some reason mine occasionally gets into a
state where it refuses to relight the gas, and essentially turns itself
off without any warning. The first one knows about it is when one goes
to
remove the food, and discovers that it's not cooked (though by how much
is
anyone's guess).

Ovens worked reliably 40 years ago. Why was it necessary to change the
design to something that doesn't?

Hungry Sylvia.

I will rant in the same area but with a different uptake on the problem.. I
am in my 60s. I saw the development of the integrated circuit, space
travel
era, color TV, computers, cell phones. I was part of that and as an
electronics engineer participated in much of this development.

OK, let's cut the bullshit right now before you even begin. The first
space travel program was the Mercury Program in 1958, so if we are to
take your word as true, you were a fully qualified electronics
engineer employed by NASA at what, 7 years of age or so?  I'm
surprised we have not heard of you before now.

Mister Coach you are similar to my wife.  If I make a seven word sentence
she will take out the four words that promote her cause and ignore the rest.
The third word in my initial response is "rant".

  FROM WIKIPEDIA
A rant is a speech or text that does not present a calm argument; rather, it
is typically an enthusiastic speech or talk or lecture on an idea, a person
or an institution.

Rants can be based on partial fact or may be entirely factual but written in
a comedic/satirical form. Rants can also be used in the defense of an
individual, idea or organization. Rants of this type generally occur after
the subject has been attacked by another individual or group.

My first notable accomplishment was a respiratory monitor on the Sky Lab
project in late
1971.  I know it crashed and burned (as designed) but what we did there
played a big part of future space travel.  I also have equipment still
flying on the Hubble Telescope.  Did I design the Sky Lab or Hubble, of
course not.  Many of us had a hand in it.  Did we innovate?  Definitely.

In 1983 a mechanical engineer and I developed a tester for racquet balls;
still the world standard.  Did it make the world a better place? No. But
unless your name is Ray you did not work on it.

Did I design the transistor?  Of course not but while in school I was
working with $15 per chip 7400 logic.  How many of you remember the MHTL
logic line?  Do I use a computer?  Sure.  Did I invent it?  Of course not,
but I used a VIC20 (remember those) to build fuselages for Boeing Aircraft.

Innovation; 1974 I designed the FIRST continuous feed weigh belt to have a
state of California seal for commerce.  I designed ground support equipment
for the Stealth Bomber before most people knew there was a Stealth Bomber,
and this equipment is still in use.

Have you heard of me?  I doubt it.  I never claimed to be famous.  But if
you ever rode in a Ford Areostar you were using software that I developed to
simulate the driver compartment mockup before the line went into production.
If you saw the Star Wars movies you saw some special effects I worked on.
If you ever have been to any of the Disney them parks your memorable
experiences there were because of something I had a hand in.  Next time you
are in Taipei and turn on a light and it comes on it is because I worked on
the nuclear power plant there.
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That's all nice and dandy, but typing out a nearly 2000 word essay to
simply backpedal on your statement that you made earlier that you were
employed by NASA at age 7 as a fully qualified electronics engineer
for the Mercury Space Program isn't doing you any favours.
 
"Herman" <ripe@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:iq0q0h$gjh$1@news.albasani.net...
Have you heard of me? I doubt it. I never claimed to be famous. But if
you ever rode in a Ford Areostar you were using software that I developed to
simulate the driver compartment mockup before the line went into production.
If you saw the Star Wars movies you saw some special effects I worked on.
If you ever have been to any of the Disney them parks your memorable
experiences there were because of something I had a hand in. Next time you
are in Taipei and turn on a light and it comes on it is because I worked on
the nuclear power plant there.
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You have been Coached by the Hypodermic Coach. :)
Don't let it get under your skin.
 
On May 7, 11:47 am, "| || ||| ||||| || |" <|||||||||||||||||||||>
wrote:
"Herman" <r...@bellsouth.net> wrote in messagenews:iq0q0h$gjh$1@news.albasani.net...

Have you heard of me?  I doubt it.  I never claimed to be famous.  But if
you ever rode in a Ford Areostar you were using software that I developed to
simulate the driver compartment mockup before the line went into production.
If you saw the Star Wars movies you saw some special effects I worked on.
If you ever have been to any of the Disney them parks your memorable
experiences there were because of something I had a hand in.  Next time you
are in Taipei and turn on a light and it comes on it is because I worked on
the nuclear power plant there.

You have been Coached by the Hypodermic Coach. :)
Don't let it get under your skin.
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I will never understand why lonely bored anonymous old men will always
try to convince total strangers on usenet of their alleged "abilities"
and "achievements". Who do they think they are kidding? This guy
reckons he was employed by NASA at 7 years of age, and now in his
60's, he's trying to justify his life achievements to total strangers
on a tv dating site. I shake my head.
 
On 7/05/2011 2:36 AM, Clocky wrote:
"Sylvia Else"<sylvia@not.here.invalid> wrote in message
news:92he2pFqraU1@mid.individual.net...
On 6/05/2011 9:56 AM, terryc wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:

Sylvia's problem with her oven could have been solved, had she
connected the electric portion of the oven to her petrol generator. In
fact, the electric portion consumes so little power, than a car
battery and a small DC-AC inverter could have been used. Sylvia has
the technical abilities to manage this task with consumate ease.

Probably. The ignitor part of our gas cooktop (the oven is electric) has
failed. When I contacted the parts place, there were both mains and
battery versions available.

If the oven just plain didn't work, I'd have a chance of fixing it, and
knowing that I had. As things stand, it misbehaves just occasionally.


Use a match.
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How is that going to work?

Sylvia.
 
"Coach" <suvvdj@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
news:8fc2bce5-eafa-4193-8f5d-e13896117856@17g2000prr.googlegroups.com...
You have been Coached by the Hypodermic Coach. :)
Don't let it get under your skin.
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I will never understand ...
I shake my head.

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That explains it.
 
Sylvia Else wrote:
On 7/05/2011 2:36 AM, Clocky wrote:
"Sylvia Else"<sylvia@not.here.invalid> wrote in message
news:92he2pFqraU1@mid.individual.net...
On 6/05/2011 9:56 AM, terryc wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:

Sylvia's problem with her oven could have been solved, had she
connected the electric portion of the oven to her petrol
generator. In fact, the electric portion consumes so little
power, than a car battery and a small DC-AC inverter could have
been used. Sylvia has the technical abilities to manage this task
with consumate ease.

Probably. The ignitor part of our gas cooktop (the oven is
electric) has failed. When I contacted the parts place, there were
both mains and battery versions available.

If the oven just plain didn't work, I'd have a chance of fixing it,
and knowing that I had. As things stand, it misbehaves just
occasionally.

Use a match.

How is that going to work?
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Dunno about your oven, but when the ignitor failed on our old oven you could
turn the gas on and use a match to light it.

Dunno on our new oven, haven't tried it.
 
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