OT: Overly complicated technology that doesn't work

[Brad]

On May 6, 4:43 pm, Graham Cooper <grahamcoop...@gmail.com> wrote:

I know people who'd pay to watch a chicken roasting!

I might have a quick glimpse myself on voyeur view..

The Canadians would:

TORONTO – Canada already has a hypnotic Fireplace Channel on the local
airwaves each Christmas, where a yule log burns in a fireplace 24/7.

Turns out ambient TV is catching on here as Rogers Cable introduces a
digital TV channel with a constant loop of roasting chickens turning
on a spit.

The Media in Canada newspaper reports Rogers has teamed up with the
Swiss Chalet fast food chain to launch the all-chicken channel on Feb.
28 for digital TV subscribers as part of a major product placement
deal.

The mesmerizing Rotisserie Channel will feature two rows of finger-
licking good birds roasting in an open-flame oven, with crackling fire
sound effects in the background.

Read more: Canada Gets All-Chicken TV Channel – Hollywood Reporter |
Canada News

 

[Brad]

On May 6, 4:47 pm, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.here.invalid> wrote:

On 6/05/2011 4:26 PM, Wolfgang Wildeblood wrote:







On May 6, 12:59 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:

The user manual (who reads those?) devotes most of a page to the issues
associated with failure to ignite the gas, and describes pretty much the
behaviour I've seen. It looks like either the igniter doesn't work
properly (though it works most of the time), or the flame sensor doesn't
(ditto). What's clearly lacking in the design is any sort of alarm to
alert the user to the problem. The user is expected to observe that the
system has adopted a "safe" state by noting that the thermostat
indicator is on, but the flame is off, which is a tad hard to do if
one's in a different room at the time.

Sylvia, I suggest you install a video surveillance system so you can
observe your oven while in other rooms. It need not be anything fancy,
just a cheap webcam connected to your home LAN.

I was thinking of something more sophisticated to monitor the states of
the flame and thermostat light, and sound a klaxon audible three streets
away if there's a discrepancy.

Sylvia.

You could just monitor the oven temperature with a wireless
thermometer.

 

[MontyCarlo]

Kelpie wrote:

"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.here.invalid> wrote in message
news:92f5h9Fu4fU1@mid.individual.net...

This is a short rant prompted by the fact that I'll have to wait longer
than I expected for my dinner.

When I was a child, we had a simple gas oven. It had a mechanical
thermostat that controlled the flow of gas. You set the thermostat, lit
the oven, let it warm up, put the food in for the required time, and it
was ready.

Now we have gas ovens with electronics. Temperature is controlled by
turning the gas on and off, which requires that it be repeatedly
reignited. Leaving aside the fact that this means that a gas oven doesn't
work during power cuts, for some reason mine occasionally gets into a
state where it refuses to relight the gas, and essentially turns itself
off without any warning. The first one knows about it is when one goes to
remove the food, and discovers that it's not cooked (though by how much is
anyone's guess).

Ovens worked reliably 40 years ago. Why was it necessary to change the
design to something that doesn't?

Hungry Sylvia.



Most would recommend installing an electric oven, with a gas cook top. Chuck
it out and buy a new one.



Get a gas microwave for reliability.

 

[Clocky]

Graham Cooper wrote:

On May 5, 7:43 pm, "Clocky" <notg...@happen.com> wrote:
"Graham Cooper" <grahamcoop...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:30035199-119f-4a3e-baf8-741d4366b512@y27g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
On May 5, 6:30 pm, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.here.invalid> wrote:





This is a short rant prompted by the fact that I'll have to wait
longer than I expected for my dinner.

When I was a child, we had a simple gas oven. It had a mechanical
thermostat that controlled the flow of gas. You set the thermostat,
lit the oven, let it warm up, put the food in for the required
time, and it was ready.

Now we have gas ovens with electronics. Temperature is controlled by
turning the gas on and off, which requires that it be repeatedly
reignited. Leaving aside the fact that this means that a gas oven
doesn't work during power cuts, for some reason mine occasionally
gets into a state where it refuses to relight the gas, and
essentially turns itself off without any warning. The first one
knows about it is when one goes to remove the food, and discovers
that it's not cooked (though by how much is anyone's guess).

Ovens worked reliably 40 years ago. Why was it necessary to change
the design to something that doesn't?

Hungry Sylvia.

It's Birds Eye Vs McCain in my oven!

This isn't a metaphor about consecutive Windows versions getting
buggier is it?

The reverse is true, consecutive versions of Windows are getting
more and more stable


by removing half of the most useful features.

Such as?

 

[Clocky]

Clocky wrote:

Graham Cooper wrote:
On May 5, 7:43 pm, "Clocky" <notg...@happen.com> wrote:
"Graham Cooper" <grahamcoop...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:30035199-119f-4a3e-baf8-741d4366b512@y27g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
On May 5, 6:30 pm, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.here.invalid> wrote:





This is a short rant prompted by the fact that I'll have to wait
longer than I expected for my dinner.

When I was a child, we had a simple gas oven. It had a mechanical
thermostat that controlled the flow of gas. You set the thermostat,
lit the oven, let it warm up, put the food in for the required
time, and it was ready.

Now we have gas ovens with electronics. Temperature is controlled
by turning the gas on and off, which requires that it be repeatedly
reignited. Leaving aside the fact that this means that a gas oven
doesn't work during power cuts, for some reason mine occasionally
gets into a state where it refuses to relight the gas, and
essentially turns itself off without any warning. The first one
knows about it is when one goes to remove the food, and discovers
that it's not cooked (though by how much is anyone's guess).

Ovens worked reliably 40 years ago. Why was it necessary to change
the design to something that doesn't?

Hungry Sylvia.

It's Birds Eye Vs McCain in my oven!

This isn't a metaphor about consecutive Windows versions getting
buggier is it?

The reverse is true, consecutive versions of Windows are getting
more and more stable


by removing half of the most useful features.

Such as?

....and your original claim that consecutive versions of windows got buggier
is utter nonsense regardless. From 1.x to XP saw more and better features
and increased stability all the way through (except for Win ME perhaps).

 

[Wolfgang Wildeblood]

On May 6, 3:05 pm, Brad <goog...@vk2qq.com> wrote:

On May 6, 11:48 am, "Trevor Wilson" <tre...@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:

 Element 14 should be able to provide suitable replacements.

What were Farnell execs thinking? Element 14? Why didn't they go for
iPart 2.0 ?

True or false: Sylvia works for a law firm named iSue 2.0?

 

[Wolfgang Wildeblood]

On May 6, 3:09 pm, Brad <goog...@vk2qq.com> wrote:

On May 6, 4:47 pm, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.here.invalid> wrote:

On 6/05/2011 4:26 PM, Wolfgang Wildeblood wrote:

On May 6, 12:59 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:

The user manual (who reads those?) devotes most of a page to the issues
associated with failure to ignite the gas, and describes pretty much the
behaviour I've seen. It looks like either the igniter doesn't work
properly (though it works most of the time), or the flame sensor doesn't
(ditto). What's clearly lacking in the design is any sort of alarm to
alert the user to the problem. The user is expected to observe that the
system has adopted a "safe" state by noting that the thermostat
indicator is on, but the flame is off, which is a tad hard to do if
one's in a different room at the time.

Sylvia, I suggest you install a video surveillance system so you can
observe your oven while in other rooms. It need not be anything fancy,
just a cheap webcam connected to your home LAN.

I was thinking of something more sophisticated to monitor the states of
the flame and thermostat light, and sound a klaxon audible three streets
away if there's a discrepancy.

You could just monitor the oven temperature with a wireless
thermometer.

I'm still waiting for my bluetooth coffee cup. So I definitely agree
with Herman that the rate of innovation/renovation is slowing. Do the
purveyors of wireless gadgetry not understand that civilized people
don't want their food and drinks served at "about" the right
temperature? Let poor people scold their fingers on cups that are too
hot or suffer coffee that has been let cool too long.

 

[Kelpie]

"MontyCarlo" <bikkie@primus.com> wrote in message
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Kelpie wrote:
"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.here.invalid> wrote in message
news:92f5h9Fu4fU1@mid.individual.net...

This is a short rant prompted by the fact that I'll have to wait longer
than I expected for my dinner.

When I was a child, we had a simple gas oven. It had a mechanical
thermostat that controlled the flow of gas. You set the thermostat, lit
the oven, let it warm up, put the food in for the required time, and it
was ready.

Now we have gas ovens with electronics. Temperature is controlled by
turning the gas on and off, which requires that it be repeatedly
reignited. Leaving aside the fact that this means that a gas oven
doesn't work during power cuts, for some reason mine occasionally gets
into a state where it refuses to relight the gas, and essentially turns
itself off without any warning. The first one knows about it is when one
goes to remove the food, and discovers that it's not cooked (though by
how much is anyone's guess).

Ovens worked reliably 40 years ago. Why was it necessary to change the
design to something that doesn't?

Hungry Sylvia.



Most would recommend installing an electric oven, with a gas cook top.
Chuck it out and buy a new one.


Get a gas microwave for reliability.

Just light your farts while holding your food in front.

 

[Clocky]

Graham Cooper wrote:

On May 6, 7:23 pm, "Clocky" <notg...@happen.com> wrote:
Clocky wrote:
Graham Cooper wrote:
On May 5, 7:43 pm, "Clocky" <notg...@happen.com> wrote:
"Graham Cooper" <grahamcoop...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:30035199-119f-4a3e-baf8-741d4366b512@y27g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
On May 5, 6:30 pm, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.here.invalid> wrote:

This is a short rant prompted by the fact that I'll have to wait
longer than I expected for my dinner.

When I was a child, we had a simple gas oven. It had a mechanical
thermostat that controlled the flow of gas. You set the
thermostat, lit the oven, let it warm up, put the food in for
the required time, and it was ready.

Now we have gas ovens with electronics. Temperature is controlled
by turning the gas on and off, which requires that it be
repeatedly reignited. Leaving aside the fact that this means
that a gas oven doesn't work during power cuts, for some reason
mine occasionally gets into a state where it refuses to relight
the gas, and essentially turns itself off without any warning.
The first one knows about it is when one goes to remove the
food, and discovers that it's not cooked (though by how much is
anyone's guess).

Ovens worked reliably 40 years ago. Why was it necessary to
change the design to something that doesn't?

Hungry Sylvia.

It's Birds Eye Vs McCain in my oven!

This isn't a metaphor about consecutive Windows versions getting
buggier is it?

The reverse is true, consecutive versions of Windows are getting
more and more stable

by removing half of the most useful features.

Such as?

...and your original claim that consecutive versions of windows got
buggier is utter nonsense regardless. From 1.x to XP saw more and
better features and increased stability all the way through (except
for Win ME perhaps)


Well I just typed in PAY into the search box and got

Think you have to pay taxes? Think again!
Looking to buy traffic with paypal
Nailed to a cross to die further for innocent...
More RAM please add memory to your computer

and a dozen more CONVERSATIONS nothing do do with my PAY.XLS file I
wanted to search for

the memory card in the side of the computer never registers anywhere,
I have to open pictures just to see what the height and width are, I
don't even know what the file type is on the pictures they are HPP
PHOTO FILE whatever that is! I can't uninstall half of the programs,
every time I click a wrong key the form submits with half the data on
it or goes to a new page and my form entry is lost, 20 windows popup
every day because my fingers slip on some keyboard shortcut, dozens
more...

I don't even TRY to find a function any more - everything is disabled
and hidden to force you to upgrade next version.

You're just incompetent.

 

[Clocky]

Wolfgang Wildeblood wrote:

On May 6, 5:23 pm, "Clocky" <notg...@happen.com> wrote:
Clocky wrote:
Graham Cooper wrote:
On May 5, 7:43 pm, "Clocky" <notg...@happen.com> wrote:
"Graham Cooper" <grahamcoop...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:30035199-119f-4a3e-baf8-741d4366b512@y27g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
On May 5, 6:30 pm, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.here.invalid> wrote:

This is a short rant prompted by the fact that I'll have to wait
longer than I expected for my dinner.

When I was a child, we had a simple gas oven. It had a mechanical
thermostat that controlled the flow of gas. You set the
thermostat, lit the oven, let it warm up, put the food in for
the required time, and it was ready.

Now we have gas ovens with electronics. Temperature is controlled
by turning the gas on and off, which requires that it be
repeatedly reignited. Leaving aside the fact that this means
that a gas oven doesn't work during power cuts, for some reason
mine occasionally gets into a state where it refuses to relight
the gas, and essentially turns itself off without any warning.
The first one knows about it is when one goes to remove the
food, and discovers that it's not cooked (though by how much is
anyone's guess).

Ovens worked reliably 40 years ago. Why was it necessary to
change the design to something that doesn't?

Hungry Sylvia.

It's Birds Eye Vs McCain in my oven!

This isn't a metaphor about consecutive Windows versions getting
buggier is it?

The reverse is true, consecutive versions of Windows are getting
more and more stable

by removing half of the most useful features.

Such as?

...and your original claim that consecutive versions of windows got
buggier is utter nonsense regardless. From 1.x to XP saw more and
better features and increased stability all the way through (except
for Win ME perhaps).

That's crap, Clocky.

Nope.

ME was one of the best; it's 98 that used to

crash every two hours no matter how gently one treated it.

Nope, 98SE was the best version of Windows until XP came out. ME had too
many driver issues.

The problem

with ME was its lack of unicode support. That was the only immediate
benefit when you updated from ME to XP.

XP was a huge leap forward, ME was only good if you had the right hardware
else it was a dog. 98SE was the best of both world, stable, good drtiver
support and good backward compatibility.

 

[Clocky]

Wolfgang Wildeblood wrote:

On May 6, 6:20 pm, "Clocky" <notg...@happen.com> wrote:
Wolfgang Wildeblood wrote:
On May 6, 5:23 pm, "Clocky" <notg...@happen.com> wrote:
Clocky wrote:
Graham Cooper wrote:
On May 5, 7:43 pm, "Clocky" <notg...@happen.com> wrote:
"Graham Cooper" <grahamcoop...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:30035199-119f-4a3e-baf8-741d4366b512@y27g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
On May 5, 6:30 pm, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.here.invalid> wrote:

This is a short rant prompted by the fact that I'll have to
wait longer than I expected for my dinner.

When I was a child, we had a simple gas oven. It had a
mechanical thermostat that controlled the flow of gas. You set
the thermostat, lit the oven, let it warm up, put the food in
for the required time, and it was ready.

Now we have gas ovens with electronics. Temperature is
controlled by turning the gas on and off, which requires that
it be repeatedly reignited. Leaving aside the fact that this
means that a gas oven doesn't work during power cuts, for some
reason mine occasionally gets into a state where it refuses to
relight the gas, and essentially turns itself off without any
warning. The first one knows about it is when one goes to
remove the food, and discovers that it's not cooked (though by
how much is anyone's guess).

Ovens worked reliably 40 years ago. Why was it necessary to
change the design to something that doesn't?

Hungry Sylvia.

It's Birds Eye Vs McCain in my oven!

This isn't a metaphor about consecutive Windows versions getting
buggier is it?

The reverse is true, consecutive versions of Windows are getting
more and more stable

by removing half of the most useful features.

Such as?

...and your original claim that consecutive versions of windows got
buggier is utter nonsense regardless. From 1.x to XP saw more and
better features and increased stability all the way through (except
for Win ME perhaps).

That's crap, Clocky.

Nope.

ME was one of the best; it's 98 that used to

crash every two hours no matter how gently one treated it.

Nope, 98SE was the best version of Windows until XP came out. ME had
too many driver issues.

The problem

with ME was its lack of unicode support. That was the only immediate
benefit when you updated from ME to XP.

XP was a huge leap forward, ME was only good if you had the right
hardware else it was a dog. 98SE was the best of both world, stable,
good drtiver support and good backward compatibility.

I'll take your word for it. I never used 98SE - went straight from 98
to ME and loved it. 98 should never have seen the light of day, it was
a disaster. Mine used to BSOD after two or three hours even if it was
just sitting there untouched.

I can't say I had many problems with it, apart from some hibernation issues
and the odd dodgey driver, it was pretty stable on the dozens of systems I
installed it on when I was selling systems. It certainly wasn't perfect, but
it was a huge leap forward from Win95 which was unstable.

I'll agree that XP was a leap forward from 98/SE/ME under the bonnet,
but WRT usability I just don't see it.

I guess it depends on what you use your computer for.

 

[Graham Cooper]

On May 6, 7:23 pm, "Clocky" <notg...@happen.com> wrote:

Clocky wrote:
Graham Cooper wrote:
On May 5, 7:43 pm, "Clocky" <notg...@happen.com> wrote:
"Graham Cooper" <grahamcoop...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:30035199-119f-4a3e-baf8-741d4366b512@y27g2000prb.googlegroups.com....
On May 5, 6:30 pm, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.here.invalid> wrote:

This is a short rant prompted by the fact that I'll have to wait
longer than I expected for my dinner.

When I was a child, we had a simple gas oven. It had a mechanical
thermostat that controlled the flow of gas. You set the thermostat,
lit the oven, let it warm up, put the food in for the required
time, and it was ready.

Now we have gas ovens with electronics. Temperature is controlled
by turning the gas on and off, which requires that it be repeatedly
reignited. Leaving aside the fact that this means that a gas oven
doesn't work during power cuts, for some reason mine occasionally
gets into a state where it refuses to relight the gas, and
essentially turns itself off without any warning. The first one
knows about it is when one goes to remove the food, and discovers
that it's not cooked (though by how much is anyone's guess).

Ovens worked reliably 40 years ago. Why was it necessary to change
the design to something that doesn't?

Hungry Sylvia.

It's Birds Eye Vs McCain in my oven!

This isn't a metaphor about consecutive Windows versions getting
buggier is it?

The reverse is true, consecutive versions of Windows are getting
more and more stable

by removing half of the most useful features.

Such as?

...and your original claim that consecutive versions of windows got buggier
is utter nonsense regardless. From 1.x to XP saw more and better features
and increased stability all the way through (except for Win ME perhaps)

Well I just typed in PAY into the search box and got

Think you have to pay taxes? Think again!
Looking to buy traffic with paypal
Nailed to a cross to die further for innocent...
More RAM please add memory to your computer

and a dozen more CONVERSATIONS nothing do do with my PAY.XLS file I
wanted to search for

the memory card in the side of the computer never registers anywhere,
I have to open pictures just to see what the height and width are, I
don't even know what the file type is on the pictures they are HPP
PHOTO FILE whatever that is! I can't uninstall half of the programs,
every time I click a wrong key the form submits with half the data on
it or goes to a new page and my form entry is lost, 20 windows popup
every day because my fingers slip on some keyboard shortcut, dozens
more...

I don't even TRY to find a function any more - everything is disabled
and hidden to force you to upgrade next version.

 

[Wolfgang Wildeblood]

On May 6, 5:23 pm, "Clocky" <notg...@happen.com> wrote:

Clocky wrote:
Graham Cooper wrote:
On May 5, 7:43 pm, "Clocky" <notg...@happen.com> wrote:
"Graham Cooper" <grahamcoop...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:30035199-119f-4a3e-baf8-741d4366b512@y27g2000prb.googlegroups.com....
On May 5, 6:30 pm, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.here.invalid> wrote:

This is a short rant prompted by the fact that I'll have to wait
longer than I expected for my dinner.

When I was a child, we had a simple gas oven. It had a mechanical
thermostat that controlled the flow of gas. You set the thermostat,
lit the oven, let it warm up, put the food in for the required
time, and it was ready.

Now we have gas ovens with electronics. Temperature is controlled
by turning the gas on and off, which requires that it be repeatedly
reignited. Leaving aside the fact that this means that a gas oven
doesn't work during power cuts, for some reason mine occasionally
gets into a state where it refuses to relight the gas, and
essentially turns itself off without any warning. The first one
knows about it is when one goes to remove the food, and discovers
that it's not cooked (though by how much is anyone's guess).

Ovens worked reliably 40 years ago. Why was it necessary to change
the design to something that doesn't?

Hungry Sylvia.

It's Birds Eye Vs McCain in my oven!

This isn't a metaphor about consecutive Windows versions getting
buggier is it?

The reverse is true, consecutive versions of Windows are getting
more and more stable

by removing half of the most useful features.

Such as?

...and your original claim that consecutive versions of windows got buggier
is utter nonsense regardless. From 1.x to XP saw more and better features
and increased stability all the way through (except for Win ME perhaps).

That's crap, Clocky. ME was one of the best; it's 98 that used to
crash every two hours no matter how gently one treated it. The problem
with ME was its lack of unicode support. That was the only immediate
benefit when you updated from ME to XP.

 

[Brad]

On May 6, 5:47 pm, Wolfgang Wildeblood <wolfgangwildebl...@gmail.com>
wrote:

On May 6, 3:09 pm, Brad <goog...@vk2qq.com> wrote:



On May 6, 4:47 pm, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.here.invalid> wrote:

On 6/05/2011 4:26 PM, Wolfgang Wildeblood wrote:

On May 6, 12:59 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:

The user manual (who reads those?) devotes most of a page to the issues
associated with failure to ignite the gas, and describes pretty much the
behaviour I've seen. It looks like either the igniter doesn't work
properly (though it works most of the time), or the flame sensor doesn't
(ditto). What's clearly lacking in the design is any sort of alarm to
alert the user to the problem. The user is expected to observe that the
system has adopted a "safe" state by noting that the thermostat
indicator is on, but the flame is off, which is a tad hard to do if
one's in a different room at the time.

Sylvia, I suggest you install a video surveillance system so you can
observe your oven while in other rooms. It need not be anything fancy,
just a cheap webcam connected to your home LAN.

I was thinking of something more sophisticated to monitor the states of
the flame and thermostat light, and sound a klaxon audible three streets
away if there's a discrepancy.

You could just monitor the oven temperature with a wireless
thermometer.

I'm still waiting for my bluetooth coffee cup.

http://www.cafepress.com.au/+nice_bluetooth_douchebag_large_mug,489074163

So I definitely agree

with Herman that the rate of innovation/renovation is slowing. Do the
purveyors of wireless gadgetry not understand that civilized people
don't want their food and drinks served at "about" the right
temperature? Let poor people scold their fingers on cups that are too
hot or suffer coffee that has been let cool too long.

S C A L D. Naughty burnt fingers, naughty.

 

[Herman]

"David Segall" <david@address.invalid> wrote in message
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"Herman" <ripe@bellsouth.net> wrote:



I will rant in the same area but with a different uptake on the problem.
I
am in my 60s. I saw the development of the integrated circuit, space
travel
era, color TV, computers, cell phones. I was part of that and as an
electronics engineer participated in much of this development. Now days I
do not see as much innovation. I fear we have run out of forward thinking
minds. Is this generation spoiled and complacent?

The integrated circuit was first patented in 1949, the first space
travel was in 1961, the shadow mask colour television was first
demonstrated in 1939, the first electronic programmable computer was
operational in 1945. That leaves the cell phone as the only innovation
that you have seen in your working life and even that was first used
in 1973. What "innovations" have you participated in over the last
forty years?

You don't see much innovation because what you see as innovations are
usually the result of someone taking advantage of the conjunction of
old technologies that have matured and can be sold as a "new" product.
As an example, have you noticed that everyone near you has recently
acquired an iPhone?

Y'all are similar to my wife. If I make a seven word sentence she will take
out the four words that promote her cause and ignore the rest. The third
word in my initial response is "rant".

FROM WIKIPEDIA
A rant is a speech or text that does not present a calm argument; rather, it
is typically an enthusiastic speech or talk or lecture on an idea, a person
or an institution.

Rants can be based on partial fact or may be entirely factual but written in
a comedic/satirical form. Rants can also be used in the defense of an
individual, idea or organization. Rants of this type generally occur after
the subject has been attacked by another individual or group.

My first notable accomplishment was a respiratory monitor on the Sky Lab
project in late
1971. I know it crashed and burned (as designed) but what we did there
played a big part of future space travel. I also have equipment still
flying on the Hubble Telescope. Did I design the Sky Lab or Hubble, of
course not. Many of us had a hand in it. Did we innovate? Definitely.

In 1983 A mechanical engineer and I developed a tester for racquet balls;
still the world standard. Did it make the world a better place? No. But
unless your name is Ray you did not work on it.

Did I design the transistor? Of course not but while in school I was
working with $15 per chip 7400 logic. How many of you remember the MHTL
logic line? We used this rather noise immune family to make foot balls for
AMF VOIT. Do I use a computer? Sure. Did I invent it? Of course not,
but I used a VIC20 (remember those) to build fuselages for Boeing Aircraft.

Innovation; 1974 I designed the FIRST continuous feed weigh belt to have a
state of California seal for commerce. I designed ground support equipment
for the Stealth Bomber before most people knew there was a Stealth Bomber,
and this equipment is still in use.

Y'all flame on here and I will just flame out.

 

[Wolfgang Wildeblood]

On May 6, 6:20 pm, "Clocky" <notg...@happen.com> wrote:

Wolfgang Wildeblood wrote:
On May 6, 5:23 pm, "Clocky" <notg...@happen.com> wrote:
Clocky wrote:
Graham Cooper wrote:
On May 5, 7:43 pm, "Clocky" <notg...@happen.com> wrote:
"Graham Cooper" <grahamcoop...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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On May 5, 6:30 pm, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.here.invalid> wrote:

This is a short rant prompted by the fact that I'll have to wait
longer than I expected for my dinner.

When I was a child, we had a simple gas oven. It had a mechanical
thermostat that controlled the flow of gas. You set the
thermostat, lit the oven, let it warm up, put the food in for
the required time, and it was ready.

Now we have gas ovens with electronics. Temperature is controlled
by turning the gas on and off, which requires that it be
repeatedly reignited. Leaving aside the fact that this means
that a gas oven doesn't work during power cuts, for some reason
mine occasionally gets into a state where it refuses to relight
the gas, and essentially turns itself off without any warning.
The first one knows about it is when one goes to remove the
food, and discovers that it's not cooked (though by how much is
anyone's guess).

Ovens worked reliably 40 years ago. Why was it necessary to
change the design to something that doesn't?

Hungry Sylvia.

It's Birds Eye Vs McCain in my oven!

This isn't a metaphor about consecutive Windows versions getting
buggier is it?

The reverse is true, consecutive versions of Windows are getting
more and more stable

by removing half of the most useful features.

Such as?

...and your original claim that consecutive versions of windows got
buggier is utter nonsense regardless. From 1.x to XP saw more and
better features and increased stability all the way through (except
for Win ME perhaps).

That's crap, Clocky.

Nope.

ME was one of the best; it's 98 that used to

crash every two hours no matter how gently one treated it.

Nope, 98SE was the best version of Windows until XP came out. ME had too
many driver issues.

The problem

with ME was its lack of unicode support. That was the only immediate
benefit when you updated from ME to XP.

XP was a huge leap forward, ME was only good if you had the right hardware
else it was a dog. 98SE was the best of both world, stable, good drtiver
support and good backward compatibility.

I'll take your word for it. I never used 98SE - went straight from 98
to ME and loved it. 98 should never have seen the light of day, it was
a disaster. Mine used to BSOD after two or three hours even if it was
just sitting there untouched.

I'll agree that XP was a leap forward from 98/SE/ME under the bonnet,
but WRT usability I just don't see it.

 

[Herman]

"Coach" <suvvdj@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
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On May 5, 10:07 pm, "Herman" <r...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

"Sylvia Else" <syl...@not.here.invalid> wrote in message

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This is a short rant prompted by the fact that I'll have to wait longer
than I expected for my dinner.

When I was a child, we had a simple gas oven. It had a mechanical
thermostat that controlled the flow of gas. You set the thermostat, lit
the oven, let it warm up, put the food in for the required time, and it
was ready.

Now we have gas ovens with electronics. Temperature is controlled by
turning the gas on and off, which requires that it be repeatedly
reignited. Leaving aside the fact that this means that a gas oven
doesn't
work during power cuts, for some reason mine occasionally gets into a
state where it refuses to relight the gas, and essentially turns itself
off without any warning. The first one knows about it is when one goes
to
remove the food, and discovers that it's not cooked (though by how much
is
anyone's guess).

Ovens worked reliably 40 years ago. Why was it necessary to change the
design to something that doesn't?

Hungry Sylvia.

I will rant in the same area but with a different uptake on the problem. I
am in my 60s. I saw the development of the integrated circuit, space
travel
era, color TV, computers, cell phones. I was part of that and as an
electronics engineer participated in much of this development.

OK, let's cut the bullshit right now before you even begin. The first
space travel program was the Mercury Program in 1958, so if we are to
take your word as true, you were a fully qualified electronics
engineer employed by NASA at what, 7 years of age or so? I'm
surprised we have not heard of you before now.


Mister Coach you are similar to my wife. If I make a seven word sentence
she will take out the four words that promote her cause and ignore the rest.
The third word in my initial response is "rant".

FROM WIKIPEDIA
A rant is a speech or text that does not present a calm argument; rather, it
is typically an enthusiastic speech or talk or lecture on an idea, a person
or an institution.

Rants can be based on partial fact or may be entirely factual but written in
a comedic/satirical form. Rants can also be used in the defense of an
individual, idea or organization. Rants of this type generally occur after
the subject has been attacked by another individual or group.

My first notable accomplishment was a respiratory monitor on the Sky Lab
project in late
1971. I know it crashed and burned (as designed) but what we did there
played a big part of future space travel. I also have equipment still
flying on the Hubble Telescope. Did I design the Sky Lab or Hubble, of
course not. Many of us had a hand in it. Did we innovate? Definitely.

In 1983 a mechanical engineer and I developed a tester for racquet balls;
still the world standard. Did it make the world a better place? No. But
unless your name is Ray you did not work on it.

Did I design the transistor? Of course not but while in school I was
working with $15 per chip 7400 logic. How many of you remember the MHTL
logic line? Do I use a computer? Sure. Did I invent it? Of course not,
but I used a VIC20 (remember those) to build fuselages for Boeing Aircraft.

Innovation; 1974 I designed the FIRST continuous feed weigh belt to have a
state of California seal for commerce. I designed ground support equipment
for the Stealth Bomber before most people knew there was a Stealth Bomber,
and this equipment is still in use.

Have you heard of me? I doubt it. I never claimed to be famous. But if
you ever rode in a Ford Areostar you were using software that I developed to
simulate the driver compartment mockup before the line went into production.
If you saw the Star Wars movies you saw some special effects I worked on.
If you ever have been to any of the Disney them parks your memorable
experiences there were because of something I had a hand in. Next time you
are in Taipei and turn on a light and it comes on it is because I worked on
the nuclear power plant there.

 

[Rheilly Phoull]

On 5/6/2011 8:36 PM, Herman wrote:

"Coach"<suvvdj@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
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On May 5, 10:07 pm, "Herman"<r...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
"Sylvia Else"<syl...@not.here.invalid> wrote in message

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This is a short rant prompted by the fact that I'll have to wait longer
than I expected for my dinner.

When I was a child, we had a simple gas oven. It had a mechanical
thermostat that controlled the flow of gas. You set the thermostat, lit
the oven, let it warm up, put the food in for the required time, and it
was ready.

Now we have gas ovens with electronics. Temperature is controlled by
turning the gas on and off, which requires that it be repeatedly
reignited. Leaving aside the fact that this means that a gas oven
doesn't
work during power cuts, for some reason mine occasionally gets into a
state where it refuses to relight the gas, and essentially turns itself
off without any warning. The first one knows about it is when one goes
to
remove the food, and discovers that it's not cooked (though by how much
is
anyone's guess).

Ovens worked reliably 40 years ago. Why was it necessary to change the
design to something that doesn't?

Hungry Sylvia.

I will rant in the same area but with a different uptake on the problem. I
am in my 60s. I saw the development of the integrated circuit, space
travel
era, color TV, computers, cell phones. I was part of that and as an
electronics engineer participated in much of this development.

OK, let's cut the bullshit right now before you even begin. The first
space travel program was the Mercury Program in 1958, so if we are to
take your word as true, you were a fully qualified electronics
engineer employed by NASA at what, 7 years of age or so? I'm
surprised we have not heard of you before now.


Mister Coach you are similar to my wife. If I make a seven word sentence
she will take out the four words that promote her cause and ignore the rest.
The third word in my initial response is "rant".

FROM WIKIPEDIA
A rant is a speech or text that does not present a calm argument; rather, it
is typically an enthusiastic speech or talk or lecture on an idea, a person
or an institution.

Rants can be based on partial fact or may be entirely factual but written in
a comedic/satirical form. Rants can also be used in the defense of an
individual, idea or organization. Rants of this type generally occur after
the subject has been attacked by another individual or group.

My first notable accomplishment was a respiratory monitor on the Sky Lab
project in late
1971. I know it crashed and burned (as designed) but what we did there
played a big part of future space travel. I also have equipment still
flying on the Hubble Telescope. Did I design the Sky Lab or Hubble, of
course not. Many of us had a hand in it. Did we innovate? Definitely.

In 1983 a mechanical engineer and I developed a tester for racquet balls;
still the world standard. Did it make the world a better place? No. But
unless your name is Ray you did not work on it.

Did I design the transistor? Of course not but while in school I was
working with $15 per chip 7400 logic. How many of you remember the MHTL
logic line? Do I use a computer? Sure. Did I invent it? Of course not,
but I used a VIC20 (remember those) to build fuselages for Boeing Aircraft.

Innovation; 1974 I designed the FIRST continuous feed weigh belt to have a
state of California seal for commerce. I designed ground support equipment
for the Stealth Bomber before most people knew there was a Stealth Bomber,
and this equipment is still in use.

Have you heard of me? I doubt it. I never claimed to be famous. But if
you ever rode in a Ford Areostar you were using software that I developed to
simulate the driver compartment mockup before the line went into production.
If you saw the Star Wars movies you saw some special effects I worked on.
If you ever have been to any of the Disney them parks your memorable
experiences there were because of something I had a hand in. Next time you
are in Taipei and turn on a light and it comes on it is because I worked on
the nuclear power plant there.


Geez! you are a star in your own mind.

 

[David Segall]

"Herman" <ripe@bellsouth.net> wrote:

"David Segall" <david@address.invalid> wrote in message
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"Herman" <ripe@bellsouth.net> wrote:



I will rant in the same area but with a different uptake on the problem.
I
am in my 60s. I saw the development of the integrated circuit, space
travel
era, color TV, computers, cell phones. I was part of that and as an
electronics engineer participated in much of this development. Now days I
do not see as much innovation. I fear we have run out of forward thinking
minds. Is this generation spoiled and complacent?

The integrated circuit was first patented in 1949, the first space
travel was in 1961, the shadow mask colour television was first
demonstrated in 1939, the first electronic programmable computer was
operational in 1945. That leaves the cell phone as the only innovation
that you have seen in your working life and even that was first used
in 1973. What "innovations" have you participated in over the last
forty years?

You don't see much innovation because what you see as innovations are
usually the result of someone taking advantage of the conjunction of
old technologies that have matured and can be sold as a "new" product.
As an example, have you noticed that everyone near you has recently
acquired an iPhone?

Y'all are similar to my wife. If I make a seven word sentence she will take
out the four words that promote her cause and ignore the rest. The third
word in my initial response is "rant".

FROM WIKIPEDIA
A rant is a speech or text that does not present a calm argument; rather, it
is typically an enthusiastic speech or talk or lecture on an idea, a person
or an institution.

Rants can be based on partial fact or may be entirely factual but written in
a comedic/satirical form. Rants can also be used in the defense of an
individual, idea or organization. Rants of this type generally occur after
the subject has been attacked by another individual or group.

My first notable accomplishment was a respiratory monitor on the Sky Lab
project in late
1971. I know it crashed and burned (as designed) but what we did there
played a big part of future space travel. I also have equipment still
flying on the Hubble Telescope. Did I design the Sky Lab or Hubble, of
course not. Many of us had a hand in it. Did we innovate? Definitely.

In 1983 A mechanical engineer and I developed a tester for racquet balls;
still the world standard. Did it make the world a better place? No. But
unless your name is Ray you did not work on it.

Did I design the transistor? Of course not but while in school I was
working with $15 per chip 7400 logic. How many of you remember the MHTL
logic line? We used this rather noise immune family to make foot balls for
AMF VOIT. Do I use a computer? Sure. Did I invent it? Of course not,
but I used a VIC20 (remember those) to build fuselages for Boeing Aircraft.

Innovation; 1974 I designed the FIRST continuous feed weigh belt to have a
state of California seal for commerce. I designed ground support equipment
for the Stealth Bomber before most people knew there was a Stealth Bomber,
and this equipment is still in use.

Y'all flame on here and I will just flame out.

I'm sure that, like most of your contemporaries, you have contributed
to some of the changes we have seen over the last forty years.

However, I have to offer some strong support to your wife! Four words
out of seven is a significant part of your argument. You said "Now
days I do not see as much innovation. I fear we have run out of
forward thinking minds. Is this generation spoiled and complacent?".
How can you possibly justify that based only on the contributions to
existing technologies that you have cited?

I provided an example of a major, recent shift in technology that you
chose to ignore.

 

[Graham Cooper]

On May 6, 8:16 pm, "Clocky" <notg...@happen.com> wrote:

Graham Cooper wrote:
On May 6, 7:23 pm, "Clocky" <notg...@happen.com> wrote:
Clocky wrote:
Graham Cooper wrote:
On May 5, 7:43 pm, "Clocky" <notg...@happen.com> wrote:
"Graham Cooper" <grahamcoop...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:30035199-119f-4a3e-baf8-741d4366b512@y27g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
On May 5, 6:30 pm, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.here.invalid> wrote:

This is a short rant prompted by the fact that I'll have to wait
longer than I expected for my dinner.

When I was a child, we had a simple gas oven. It had a mechanical
thermostat that controlled the flow of gas. You set the
thermostat, lit the oven, let it warm up, put the food in for
the required time, and it was ready.

Now we have gas ovens with electronics. Temperature is controlled
by turning the gas on and off, which requires that it be
repeatedly reignited. Leaving aside the fact that this means
that a gas oven doesn't work during power cuts, for some reason
mine occasionally gets into a state where it refuses to relight
the gas, and essentially turns itself off without any warning.
The first one knows about it is when one goes to remove the
food, and discovers that it's not cooked (though by how much is
anyone's guess).

Ovens worked reliably 40 years ago. Why was it necessary to
change the design to something that doesn't?

Hungry Sylvia.

It's Birds Eye Vs McCain in my oven!

This isn't a metaphor about consecutive Windows versions getting
buggier is it?

The reverse is true, consecutive versions of Windows are getting
more and more stable

by removing half of the most useful features.

Such as?

...and your original claim that consecutive versions of windows got
buggier is utter nonsense regardless. From 1.x to XP saw more and
better features and increased stability all the way through (except
for Win ME perhaps)

Well I just typed in PAY into the search box and got

Think you have to pay taxes?  Think again!
Looking to buy traffic with paypal
Nailed to a cross to die further for innocent...
More RAM please add memory to your computer

and a dozen more CONVERSATIONS nothing do do with my PAY.XLS file I
wanted to search for

the memory card in the side of the computer never registers anywhere,
I have to open pictures just to see what the height and width are, I
don't even know what the file type is on the pictures they are HPP
PHOTO FILE whatever that is!  I can't uninstall half of the programs,
every time I click a wrong key the form submits with half the data on
it or goes to a new page and my form entry is lost, 20 windows popup
every day because my fingers slip on some keyboard shortcut, dozens
more...

I don't even TRY to find a function any more - everything is disabled
and hidden to force you to upgrade next version.

 You're just incompetent

have to download everything twice because there's no way to find
recent files
have to click 20 directories every time you upload
have to scroll past WINDOWS and MICROSOFT and OFFICE links to run
EXCEL which is under STARTER EDITION
have to search to find Accessories
set as background does exactly that - never accomplishes setting the
background image
most menus are disabled
there's MY_DOWNLOADS DOWNLOADS USER/../DOWNLOADS which is never the
same download directory
clicking on MY_DOCUMENTS asks for a system password
DESKTOP moves around the directory structure half the time it's under
FAVORITES
it still can't multitask
IE freezes even though the page has mostly loaded
I click View Images and the prompt is DO YOU WANT TO SEE ..... just
the secure images... and the correct response is NO

I don't even program on the thing I just view the internet and that's
20!