OT: If Kerry is elected...

[John Larkin]

On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 20:44:48 +0200, "Frank Bemelman"
<f.bemelmanx@xs4all.invalid.nl> wrote:

Come to think of it, who would have standing to make such a charge? A
Terrorist?

The international Court of Justice.

Hell, the United Federation of Clowns can make such a charge. And send
their Clown Cops to Washington to arrest him. Now *that* would be
funny.

John

 

[John Larkin]

On 16 Oct 2004 16:02:11 GMT, Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov.> wrote:

In that case the US should never have made the Normandy invasion or freed
Europe,then.Just left you all to Hitler.

Problem is, the Europeans will never forgive us for saving them,
twice. Or three times, if you include the Soviets.

John

 

[John Larkin]

On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 19:00:15 GMT, Robert Monsen
<rcsurname@comcast.net> wrote:

Here is what he said:

KERRY: "We're all God's children, Bob. And I think if you were to talk
to Dick Cheney's daughter, who is a lesbian, she would tell you that
she's being who she was, she's being who she was born as.

It was an astonishing, not to mention tasteless, thing to say in a
Presidential debate. Nobody seems to be able to figure out why he said
it, not even his own people.

John

 

[normanstrong]

"Jim Yanik" <jyanik@abuse.gov.> wrote in message
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Rich Grise <rich@example.net> wrote in
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On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 10:33:44 -0700, Julie wrote:

Frank Bemelman wrote:

The state of the nation is ruled by other forces than just the
administration.

Why don't more people realize that?

Because most people are programmed not to notice anything. They're
quite comfortable being nice and obedient, in their comfortable
little stock pens.

People don't want freedom, they want Mommy.

Cheers!
Rich




Kerry wants to have the GOVERNMENT run his healthcare.
He wants to "tax the rich" to help the "middle class",IOW;Marxism.

The government already runs MY healthcare. They call it Medicare.
Although the Govt pays for it to a large extent, I choose the
suppliers myself.

Norm Strong

 

[John S. Dyson]

In article <ckoq5m$ti6$2@blue.rahul.net>,
kensmith@green.rahul.net (Ken Smith) writes:

In article <416FE738.CDEE3700@nospam.com>, Julie <julie@nospam.com> wrote:
If Kerry is elected and the state of the nation stays the same or worsens (high
oil prices, mess in Iraq, no UBL, etc.), are the anti-Bushers just going to
blame it all on the previous Bush administration?

Naturally!

The Bush folk blame this years crabgrass on the Clintons.

Actually Clinton left the following:

N Korea problem, hoodwinked by a crazy dictator.
The declining economy starting in early yr2000, associated mismanagement
of the big economic bubble.
The ongoing festering terror problem treated as law enforcement.
The associated left over Iraq problem and the no-fly-zones.
The excess decrease of a couple more military divisions than BushI.
The severe weakening of CIA intelligence capability.
Rush's apparent self-medication problem when trying to emotionally deal
with Clintons misbehavior... .

John

 

[Robert Monsen]

Tom Seim wrote:

Fred Bloggs <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<41708EE6.8000703@nospam.com>...


NADER DIVIDES THE LEFT


Wrong.

Calling the left "Divided" is being too kind-they are totally
fragmented. Nader is appealing to a certain group that feels,
correctly, that they are being disenfranchised by the Dems.

GO NADER!!!

True, the 'left' is fragmented. However, this time, they have an
overwhelming goal: Take out the monster.

Despite the disinformation campaign being led by Fox, Limbaugh,
O'Reilly, et al, this movement seems to be taking on some weight. Polls
show their boy (GeeDubya) behind.

Maybe democracy actually works, despite the efforts of Rupert Murdoch,
Sun Myung Moon, and Richard Mellon Scaife to the contrary.

--
Regards,
Robert Monsen

"Your Highness, I have no need of this hypothesis."
- Pierre Laplace (1749-1827), to Napoleon,
on why his works on celestial mechanics make no mention of God.

 

[Frank Bemelman]

"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highlandSNIPtechTHISnologyPLEASE.com> schreef in
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On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 17:46:50 GMT, Fred Bloggs <nospam@nospam.com
wrote:


Right-right -right. Your Bush campaign people have emphasized that you
should express your pro-Bush commentary in terms of individual personal
experiences- fictional if necessary, so you fabricate this story. You
are so tired, old, and predictable. You are pathetic loser, liar, fraud,
and paid Bush campaign operative.


Hey, can I get paid too?

I don't think so. You are doing more harm to his campaign than good.

--
Thanks, Frank.
(remove 'x' and 'invalid' when replying by email)

 

[normanstrong]

We can discuss electronics, sure. But to sweep all things in life
under
the carpet of, eh, 'interesting' is simple minded. Wasn't it your
precious W recalling 9/11 as 'an interesting day'. The election of
W makes quite a difference. It means that the majority has voted
for a proven war criminal. Wake up.

--
Thanks, Frank.

You're not a criminal until you're tried and convicted. That sort of
thing only happens to those who lose a war. Lt. Calley didn't serve
much time considering that he was a mass murderer. Saddam is being
held in hopes that he will be tried and convicted of some crime,
although he has not yet been indicted.

Norm Strong

 

[Frank Bemelman]

"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highlandSNIPtechTHISnologyPLEASE.com> schreef in
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On 16 Oct 2004 16:02:11 GMT, Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov.> wrote:


In that case the US should never have made the Normandy invasion or freed
Europe,then.Just left you all to Hitler.

Problem is, the Europeans will never forgive us for saving them,
twice. Or three times, if you include the Soviets.

A bigger problem exists if you can't see the difference between the
two events, liberation of Europe and invasion of Iraq.

--
Thanks, Frank.
(remove 'x' and 'invalid' when replying by email)

 

[Rich Grise]

On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 09:17:58 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 13:27:27 +0200, "Frank Bemelman"
....
It would be pretty much impossible for your precious W to pick
'colleages' that are less smart than himself.

Well, he managed to graduate from Yale. Where did you graduate?

My dad couldn't afford to buy me a diploma.

Thanks,
Rich

 

[Jonathan Kirwan]

On 16 Oct 2004 00:50:26 GMT, Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov.> wrote:

I note that a N.Vietnamese general gave Kerry an award for his support for
their cause. More proof of his treason.

Nothing to say about the facts I presented. Just more dung added to the heap.

I've no doubt that many credit Kerry with helping end US involvement in the war
in Vietnam. I do, too. So what?

Jon

 

[John Fields]

On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 20:40:01 GMT, Rich Grise <rich@example.net> wrote:

On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 09:17:58 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 13:27:27 +0200, "Frank Bemelman"
...
It would be pretty much impossible for your precious W to pick
'colleages' that are less smart than himself.

Well, he managed to graduate from Yale. Where did you graduate?

My dad couldn't afford to buy me a diploma.

---
Or, no doubt, spell it.

--
John Fields

 

[John Larkin]

On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 20:40:48 GMT, Rich Grise <rich@example.net> wrote:

On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 13:30:49 +0200, Frank Bemelman wrote:

"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highlandSNIPtechTHISnologyPLEASE.com> schreef in
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On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 05:12:05 GMT, Fred Bloggs <nospam@nospam.com
wrote:



John Larkin wrote:

That's what any good manager does. Only insecure people insist on
surrounding themselves by people who are dumber than they are.

John

What's this smarter/dumber stuff- what kind of insecure idiot would even
make a comparison with himself like that? It's about as relevant as
wondering "is he/she taller than me?"- pathetic.

You don't believe that some people are smarter than others? If you
don't, why do you keep calling people idiots?

I work with, and employ, people who have analytic and business skills
far beyond anything I can ever hope to have. I let them do the heavy
thinking. It's fun - usually - to work with very smart people.

Ah, the 'fun' bit. Let's have some 'fun'. Are we having 'fun' yet.


But everything I do is wrong, isn't it?

Why bother, as long as you have 'fun'.

I wonder if he jerks off to snuff videos.

It's interesting how many guys, when they want to insult someone,
resort to references to male members and excrement. It must be weird
going through life loathing the lower half of one's own body.

John

 

[Fred Bloggs]

Tom Seim wrote:

Rich Grise <rich@example.net> wrote in message news:<pan.2004.10.16.06.38.47.777470@example.net>...

On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 04:05:19 +0000, Fred Bloggs wrote:



Tom Seim wrote:

Julie <julie@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<416FE738.CDEE3700@nospam.com>...


If Kerry is elected and the state of the nation stays the same or worsens (high
oil prices, mess in Iraq, no UBL, etc.), are the anti-Bushers just going to
blame it all on the previous Bush administration?

I've hardly decided my vote, but I'm almost tempted to hope/vote Kerry just to
see what magic he will have to perform to pull off all of his promises...


I would suggest evaluating each of the candidates promises and the
likelihood that they can deliver on those promises. In this dept.
Kerry has some huge problems (about 2.4 TRILLION worth). His claim
that he won't raise taxes on 98% of the voters is beyond rediculous.
He, simply, doesn't want to admit he is going to raise YOUR taxes.

That has already been debunked by factcheck.org among others. That claim
is just another cheap Bush campaign slur. You are lying and deceitful
paid Bush campaign operative. Kerry's plan has been judged to be doable
without increasing the tax burden for incomes under $200K.

Just turning off the war faucet would save a couple billion a day.

Kerry lied before Congress, under OATH, about atrocities in Vietnam.
Are you going to trust him to tell you the truth?

That's the standard tactic. In the face of the evidence that you've
been deceived, call everybody a liar.

Good Luck!
Rich


I'm calling him a war criminal (he testified to that under oath). You
must be calling him a liar.

There you go again with your egomaniacal viewpoint. We ask again: who
the F are you? Pathetic.

 

[Fred Bloggs]

Tom Seim wrote:

Fred Bloggs <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<41709DFB.1060207@nospam.com>...

Tom Seim wrote:

Julie <julie@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<416FE738.CDEE3700@nospam.com>...


If Kerry is elected and the state of the nation stays the same or worsens (high
oil prices, mess in Iraq, no UBL, etc.), are the anti-Bushers just going to
blame it all on the previous Bush administration?

I've hardly decided my vote, but I'm almost tempted to hope/vote Kerry just to
see what magic he will have to perform to pull off all of his promises...


I would suggest evaluating each of the candidates promises and the
likelihood that they can deliver on those promises. In this dept.
Kerry has some huge problems (about 2.4 TRILLION worth). His claim
that he won't raise taxes on 98% of the voters is beyond rediculous.
He, simply, doesn't want to admit he is going to raise YOUR taxes.

That has already been debunked by factcheck.org among others. That claim
is just another cheap Bush campaign slur. You are lying and deceitful
paid Bush campaign operative. Kerry's plan has been judged to be doable
without increasing the tax burden for incomes under $200K.


HA!! Go read my latest post on that MYTH, fredrook.

It was just more of your speculative trash and Bush campaign slander.
You have been called to substantiate those claims, but I will not hold
my breath.

Kerry lied before Congress, under OATH, about atrocities in Vietnam.
Are you going to trust him to tell you the truth?

That is another lie that has been debunked by the serious research of
the military's own records- things like Court Martial records. The ratio
of civilian/combatant deaths in Vietnam was 15:1- serious war crimes
were committed as Kerry described in his testimony. Kerry's anitwar
activities were justified, brave, and patriotic.


Then he is a self-admitted war criminal.

He is a decorated Vietnam veteran and political activists. The story of
John Kerry is the story of a very energetic, intelligent, altruistic,
and talented man- he is an *asset* to America. Compare his life to yours
and jdurban- two no-counts, selfish little packrats and money mongerers
who are obsessed with self-comfort and self-enrichment. You two are the
scum of the Earth.

 

[Fred Bloggs]

Tom Seim wrote:

kensmith@green.rahul.net (Ken Smith) wrote in message news:<ckrkgp$vs4$5@blue.rahul.net>...

In article <6c71b322.0410151952.268da496@posting.google.com>,
Tom Seim <soar2morrow@yahoo.com> wrote:
[...]

Kerry has some huge problems (about 2.4 TRILLION worth).

With Kerry, you have a 2.4 Trillion problem and with Bush there is a
8.6[1] Trillion problem so I guess you would suggest a Kerry vote then.

[...]

Kerry lied before Congress, under OATH, about atrocities in Vietnam.
Are you going to trust him to tell you the truth?

How many times does that lie have to be disproven before we stop seeing it
repeated?

--


When Ghengis Khan rises from the dead:

John Kerry's lies about the activities of the Swift boats were part of
a larger pattern of deception. As a leader of the Vietnam Veterans
Against the War (VVAW), Kerry testified before the Senate Committee on
Foreign Relations on April 22, 1971, telling the Senators and a
national audience that American troops "...had personally raped, cut
off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human
genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies,
randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of
Ghengis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and
generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam..." and accused the
U.S. military of committing war crimes "on a day-to-day basis with the
full awareness of officers at all levels of command."

I have *first hand* knowledge that all of those things are TRUE. It was
not a pretty picture there. The overwhelming sentiment of the US
military was that those people were "better off dead."

 

[Fred Bloggs]

Tom Seim wrote:

As a leader of the Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW), Kerry
testified before the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations on April
22, 1971, telling the Senators and a national audience that American
troops "...had personally ... cut off heads..."

Yep- I clearly remember cutting off heads was an American retaliatory
terror tactic based on some understanding that the Vietnamese belief was
they could not enter heaven without their heads. But these beheadings
were done on corpses-usually shot down in ambush.- they were not
executions. And as for the ears, you should still be able to buy an
Vietnamese ear in the seedier "military surplus" stores.

 

[Fred Bloggs]

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Frank Bemelman wrote:

It means that the majority has voted
for a proven war criminal.

Gore was/is a war criminal?

Another smart ass. First, I am talking about the outcome of this
election, not the one of 4 years ago. Second, Bush was not a war
criminal at that time, neither was/is Gore.

Oh? When was Bush convicted, and by what American Court? I thought the
Congress could only Impeach, and that a sitting President can not be tried
for anything but civil charges.

There are plenty war criminals that are not convicted (yet).


Come to think of it, who would have standing to make such a charge? A
Terrorist?

The international Court of Justice.


Which has no jurisdiction over US citizens and no standing with Americans.
The Constitution does not permit a court to impose it's self on America by
declaration.

LOL- what a moron! The US is a party to many treaties which allow for
extradition of Americans to a foreign nation for prosecution under their
criminal law.

 

[Clarence]

"Robert Monsen" <rcsurname@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Clarence wrote:
"Madelin McKinnon" <rstacey@runbox.com> wrote in message
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I think the low blows are actually being thrown by the Cheney family
(specifically Lynne) and the republicans. It was pretty convenient for
Lynne and Dick to bring up their daughter when it makes Bush and
Cheney look "compassionate." It would be one thing if they never
brought it up in any speech or anything that furthers their campaign
with moderates...but they have.


So your an apologist for the attacks on Chaney's daughter?
You seem to agree that Mary is "Fair Game" and Kerry / Edwards may use her
as a
punching bag. SHAME ON YOU!


You are making the baseless assumption that the statement by Kerry was
an attack. You must have been listening to a different debate, or had it
filtered through the Limbaugh filter.

I haven't heard what Rush had to say. Do not listen to him normally.

Here is what he said:
I think

No, you don't

Repeating the Insulting remarks are not going to change anything.
Is was an attack, and I just spent an hour listening to some national news
saying that it may have been the most damaging thing Kerry could have said. He
shot himself in the foot while trying to drive a wedge between Cheney and Bush.

 

[Clarence]

"Robert Monsen" <rcsurname@comcast.net> wrote in message
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John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 19:00:15 GMT, Robert Monsen
rcsurname@comcast.net> wrote:


Here is what he said:

KERRY: "We're all God's children, Bob. And I think if you were to talk
to Dick Cheney's daughter, who is a lesbian, she would tell you that
she's being who she was, she's being who she was born as.



It was an astonishing, not to mention tasteless, thing to say in a
Presidential debate. Nobody seems to be able to figure out why he said
it, not even his own people.

John



The backlash on this is purely political. The republicans are again
trying to change the subject from those things they can't win on, like
Foreign Policy and Domestic Issues, to Kerry being a 'Bad Man' for
bringing up something that Dick himself made an issue out of.

The "Backlash" as you call it, is moral!