OT: If Kerry is elected...

[YD]

On 16 Oct 2004 00:52:59 GMT, Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov.> wrote:

Rich Grise <rich@example.net> wrote in
newsan.2004.10.15.18.25.05.69414@example.net:

On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 10:33:44 -0700, Julie wrote:

Frank Bemelman wrote:

The state of the nation is ruled by other forces than just the
administration.

Why don't more people realize that?

Because most people are programmed not to notice anything. They're
quite comfortable being nice and obedient, in their comfortable
little stock pens.

People don't want freedom, they want Mommy.

Cheers!
Rich




Kerry wants to have the GOVERNMENT run his healthcare.
He wants to "tax the rich" to help the "middle class",IOW;Marxism.

So, would you rather tax the middle class to help the rich?

- YD.
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[Frank Bemelman]

"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highlandSNIPtechTHISnologyPLEASE.com> schreef in
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On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 13:08:42 +0200, "Frank Bemelman"
f.bemelmanx@xs4all.invalid.nl> wrote:

Larkin is part of the problem. He couldn't give a shit less about
people dying and suffering, as long as John Larkin can "rise
above" and have "fun."

Having 'fun' seems to be the most important things these days. It
seems he thinks he has done his bit when he buys his employees a
pizza on Friday afternoon, and a bottle of red wine to share.


And jobs. And the best medical and dental care. And an all-employee
SEP-IRA retirement plan that I've put a few million dollars into so
far. And raises and twice-yearly bonuses (Christmas bonus coming up,
everybody gets $1500. The bigger bonus is in April, fisical year-end.)
I'd be personally several million dollars richer if I didn't believe
that we should all share the profits we generate. Plus, I teach them
what I know about electronics and business, and avail them of my
impeccable humor. And we're always ready to bail them or their
husbands out of jail, which happens more often than you might expect.
We give about $25,000 a year to organizations like Doctors Without
Borders and college scholarship funds and stuff.

That's about the standard package each company in the Netherlands
gives. About an extra month salary in May (called vacation money)
and an extra month in December, often 1.5 month extra. But again,
just another of your smoke curtains, since these things mean nothing.

I prefer to do what I can to make the world better, and not whine
about how bad it is, and enjoy the good parts while I can.

You don't have to whine about, and please enjoy yourself, but you
should not turn making 'fun' into an art, not when the current
topic.

What are you doing to make the world a better place?

Never thought about that really. I'm not like you, keeping a
spreadsheet of my good deeds.

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[John Larkin]

On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 18:34:47 +0200, "Frank Bemelman"
<f.bemelmanx@xs4all.invalid.nl> wrote:

But freedom of speach does not mean you
can say everything you like and get it away with it.

Wow, thank you so much. That line is a true classic. I will treasure
it always.

John

 

[Ken Smith]

In article <7c584d27.0410152329.5098e87@posting.google.com>,
Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:
[...]

Do try to learn something about political history - Marxism is about
taxing the rich (which for Marx included the middle class) to help
*working* class.

Many people think that Marxism is where if you say the magic word, a duck
drops down and you get $50.

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[Ken Smith]

In article <Az3cd.31264$QJ3.22700@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>,
Clarence <no@No.com> wrote:
[...]

I saw the video clip within the last two weeks. I am quite clear with what he
said, I do not need to read someone else's version of it!

If you think he said what you claim he said then you need to go find a
trustworthy transcript and read it. Read it carefully.

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[Ken Smith]

In article <7c584d27.0410160008.9e96fb7@posting.google.com>,
Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:
[...]

Try reading the testimony (there are several links to the text posted
in this thread), and try and find the text that constitutes evidence
that Kerry personally did something that could be successfully
prosecuted as a war crime.

Never mind "successfully prosecuted". Try even "wouldn't get laughed out
of court" as the standard. His statement quite clearly contains no
reference to himself commiting a war crime. You don't even have to
consider the Mens Rae issue.



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[Clarence]

"Frank Bemelman" <f.bemelmanx@xs4all.invalid.nl> wrote in message
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"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highlandSNIPtechTHISnologyPLEASE.com> schreef in
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On 15 Oct 2004 21:08:13 -0700, soar2morrow@yahoo.com (Tom Seim) wrote:

"Dave" <db5151@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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A quote from the President:

"I'm not the smartest fellow in the world, but I can sure pick smart
colleagues."

That's what any good manager does. Only insecure people insist on
surrounding themselves by people who are dumber than they are.

It would be pretty much impossible for your precious W to pick
'colleages'<SPELLING> that are less smart than himself. Not that it is of
great importance, because it neglects social intelligence, a virtue
he doesn't posses either.

Not so hard, he could hire YOU!

 

[Clarence]

"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highlandSNIPtechTHISnologyPLEASE.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 17:42:52 -0700, Julie <julie@nospam.com> wrote:

Frank Bemelman wrote:

It means that the majority has voted
for a proven war criminal.

Gore was/is a war criminal?


I doubt it. He was a journalist when he served in the military, and
had another GI assigned to be his bodyguard and keep him away from
danger. He was, after all, the son of a Senator.

So "stupid" runs in his family?

 

[Fred Bloggs]

Abd-er-Rahman III wrote:

http://www.mypetgoat.com/goatquotes.htm

I do not care much for Bush, but nonetheless must disagree with the
popular analysis of his demeanor in that classroom. His mind was
anything but vacant and he was not looking for guidance. He was clearly
stunned and his mind was racing. The 9/11 attacks were against him as
well as the US. The rapidity with which AlQaeda was pegged as the
perpetrator beyond all reasonable doubt is a condemnation of a major law
enforcement and intelligence failure in this country.

 

[Ken Smith]

In article <6c71b322.0410151952.268da496@posting.google.com>,
Tom Seim <soar2morrow@yahoo.com> wrote:
[...]

Kerry has some huge problems (about 2.4 TRILLION worth).

With Kerry, you have a 2.4 Trillion problem and with Bush there is a
8.6[1] Trillion problem so I guess you would suggest a Kerry vote then.

[...]

Kerry lied before Congress, under OATH, about atrocities in Vietnam.
Are you going to trust him to tell you the truth?

How many times does that lie have to be disproven before we stop seeing it
repeated?

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[Clarence]

"Frank Bemelman" <f.bemelmanx@xs4all.invalid.nl> wrote in message
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<snip>

Another smoke curtain. I never said you should not have
freedom of speech. But freedom of speach does not mean you
can say everything you like and get it away with it.

Why not?
You seem to think you can, and your not the brightest bulb on the tree either.

 

[Clarence]

"Abd-er-Rahman III" <abderrahman_3@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:6dd076bc.0410160834.7ad6a8d4@posting.google.com...

Probably go get an edjabcation.

<snip>

http://www.democracymeansyou.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/bush-pissing-in-place-400.jpg

THIS is what you would expect from a DemocRAT!

 

[Fred Bloggs]

Clarence wrote:

So "stupid" runs in his family?

It's possible, but no so evident as the stupidity that runs in yours.

 

[Fred Bloggs]

Clarence wrote:

"Reg Edwards" <g4fgq.regp@ZZZbtinternet.com> wrote in message
news:ckqnar$shs$1@sparta.btinternet.com...

There's no such thing as Public Opinion - just a collection of newspapers
and TV analysts.



There is "Public Opinion", however it is never available through the media
outlets. Therefore it is very hard to get more than a small slice of the nation
wide perspective.

For instance, I live in a county there are a strong majority of Republicans,
and have only met three people who say publicly (not via the internet) that
they support John Kerry. I see an occasional bumper sticker for him, so there
are a few who do, but are ashamed to say so. So given I see almost no support
(Understandably) I see him without the rose colored glasses of those who think
he is the second coming of Carl Marx.

Clarence

Right-right -right. Your Bush campaign people have emphasized that you
should express your pro-Bush commentary in terms of individual personal
experiences- fictional if necessary, so you fabricate this story. You
are so tired, old, and predictable. You are pathetic loser, liar, fraud,
and paid Bush campaign operative. Kerry will win a landslide victory in
California- and with great justification- that's the reality.

 

[Fred Bloggs]

Clarence wrote:

"Ken Smith" <kensmith@green.rahul.net> wrote in message
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In article <Of_bd.31091$QJ3.6398@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>,
Clarence <no@No.com> wrote:

"Ken Smith" <kensmith@green.rahul.net> wrote in message
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In article <AcUbd.13859$nj.7891@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>,
Clarence <no@No.com> wrote: [...]

You seem confused. Kerry is the one who confessed to war
crimes!

No actually he didn't. Some right wing hate groups are
spreading the lie that he did to rationalize their vote to put
a known traitor back into the white house.


I saw the replay of the hearing in which he said he was only one
of many

who,

and listed many very gory details. SO if that wasn't him, who
was the

actor

pretending to be Kerry in front of the congressional hearing?

Go get the transcript and read it very carefully. If you
concentrate you can overcome your programming.



I saw the video clip within the last two weeks. I am quite clear
with what he said, I do not need to read someone else's version of
it!

I agree that you are "quite clear" in the sense of being so
transparently a Bush campaign operative who will say anything- and say
anything you have done with lie after lie after lie and numerous
deceitful statements. Your name has become synonymous with moron on this NG.

 

[Fred Bloggs]

Clarence wrote:

"Ken Smith" <kensmith@green.rahul.net> wrote in message
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In article <AcUbd.13859$nj.7891@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>,
Clarence <no@No.com> wrote:
[...]

You seem confused. Kerry is the one who confessed to war crimes!

No actually he didn't. Some right wing hate groups are spreading the lie
that he did to rationalize their vote to put a known traitor back into the
white house.



I saw the replay of the hearing in which he said he was only one of many who,
and listed many very gory details. SO if that wasn't him, who was the actor
pretending to be Kerry in front of the congressional hearing?

It is obvious that your command of the English language is deficient.
Now when you fortify that with a deranged excuse for a brain, we end up
with some loser named Clarence.

 

[Fred Bloggs]

James Martinez wrote:

the election
will pretty much decide who gets blamed. And whether
Hilary takes a shot at 2008.
John



That makes it hard to decide my vote. Hillary would bring this
country to its socialist knees :-(


Kerry would not be much better than Hillary.

[...snip...]

Your vote, your choice.

This same kind of moronic complaint was brought against President
Roosevelt and his proposal for *SOCIAL* Security. Are you saying we
should also eliminate that? You might get a clue and look at all the
corporations that espouse fascism and align themselves with totalitarian
regimes, these entities support Bush. It's your choice, your vote.

 

[Frank Bemelman]

"Jim Yanik" <jyanik@abuse.gov.> schreef in bericht
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Rich Grise <rich@example.net> wrote in
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On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 22:24:41 +0200, Frank Bemelman wrote:

"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highSNIPlandTHIStechPLEASEnology.com> schreef
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Gosh, you *aren't* amused. Are you ever amused, any day?

You've got your priorities and principles screwed up. There is
nothing to be amused about this subject. We all sit on our
fat asses and it is damn easy to be amused about everything
that gets dropped on our desks, in the knowledge that lunch
and dinner will be tasty and enjoyable not matter what happens,
and that at the end of the day we have a warm and comfortable
bed. It would serve you if you realized what portion of your
tax dollar is spent on the demolition of other peoples lives.

Larkin is part of the problem. He couldn't give a shit less about
people dying and suffering, as long as John Larkin can "rise
above" and have "fun."

What about the IRAQI people who died or suffered under Saddam and his
offspring? Or the Kuwaitis that died and suffered from Saddam's invasion
of
Kuwait? Freedom has it's costs.

That was 12 years ago or more. The world is upset about the last
war, not the Gulf War. *THAT* war was in response to the Kuwait
invasion by Iraq and legitimate. Neither did the world complain
about the invasion of Pakistan, when the US went after Bin Laden.

The last war was totally unjustified, and based upon lies. Open
your eyes.

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[Robert Monsen]

Clarence wrote:

"Madelin McKinnon" <rstacey@runbox.com> wrote in message
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I think the low blows are actually being thrown by the Cheney family
(specifically Lynne) and the republicans. It was pretty convenient for
Lynne and Dick to bring up their daughter when it makes Bush and
Cheney look "compassionate." It would be one thing if they never
brought it up in any speech or anything that furthers their campaign
with moderates...but they have.


So your an apologist for the attacks on Chaney's daughter?
You seem to agree that Mary is "Fair Game" and Kerry / Edwards may use her as a
punching bag. SHAME ON YOU!

You are making the baseless assumption that the statement by Kerry was
an attack. You must have been listening to a different debate, or had it
filtered through the Limbaugh filter.

Here is what he said:

KERRY: "We're all God's children, Bob. And I think if you were to talk
to Dick Cheney's daughter, who is a lesbian, she would tell you that
she's being who she was, she's being who she was born as.

I think if you talk to anybody, it's not choice. I've met people who
struggled with this for years, people who were in a marriage because
they were living a sort of convention, and they struggled with it.

And I've met wives who are supportive of their husbands or vice versa
when they finally sort of broke out and allowed themselves to live who
they were, who they felt God had made them.

I think we have to respect that. "

I think he was actually trying to say something nice, and to make a
point at the same time.

I think the thing neocons are bitter about is that Kerry was pointing
out, (quite cleverly) how hypocritical the current Administration's
support of the constitutional ammendment banning gay marriage is.

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Regards,
Robert Monsen

"Your Highness, I have no need of this hypothesis."
- Pierre Laplace (1749-1827), to Napoleon,
on why his works on celestial mechanics make no mention of God.

 

[John Larkin]

On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 17:46:50 GMT, Fred Bloggs <nospam@nospam.com>
wrote:

Right-right -right. Your Bush campaign people have emphasized that you
should express your pro-Bush commentary in terms of individual personal
experiences- fictional if necessary, so you fabricate this story. You
are so tired, old, and predictable. You are pathetic loser, liar, fraud,
and paid Bush campaign operative.

Hey, can I get paid too?

John