OT: If Kerry is elected...

[Rich Grise]

On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 18:46:36 +0000, Robert Monsen wrote:

Ken Smith wrote:
In article <7c584d27.0410152329.5098e87@posting.google.com>,
Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:
[...]

Do try to learn something about political history - Marxism is about
taxing the rich (which for Marx included the middle class) to help
*working* class.


Many people think that Marxism is where if you say the magic word, a duck
drops down and you get $50.


Most people are too young to get the reference, I think. It made me
smile, though.

"I love my cigar, but I take it out occasionally."
"I wouldn't join a club that would have the likes of me."

I'm sure there are lots of clever Marxisms. ;-)

Cheers!
Rich

 

[Rich Grise]

On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 18:46:36 +0000, Robert Monsen wrote:

Ken Smith wrote:
In article <7c584d27.0410152329.5098e87@posting.google.com>,
Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:
[...]

Do try to learn something about political history - Marxism is about
taxing the rich (which for Marx included the middle class) to help
*working* class.


Many people think that Marxism is where if you say the magic word, a duck
drops down and you get $50.


Most people are too young to get the reference, I think. It made me
smile, though.

""
- Harpo Marx

Cheers!
Rich

 

[Rich Grise]

On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 06:03:39 +0000, R. Steve Walz wrote:

Jim Yanik wrote:

Rich Grise <rich@example.net> wrote in
newsan.2004.10.15.18.25.05.69414@example.net:

On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 10:33:44 -0700, Julie wrote:

Frank Bemelman wrote:

The state of the nation is ruled by other forces than just the
administration.

Why don't more people realize that?

Because most people are programmed not to notice anything. They're
quite comfortable being nice and obedient, in their comfortable
little stock pens.

People don't want freedom, they want Mommy.

Cheers!
Rich
-------------------------
When you're beaten and robbed lying in the road you'd be well off
if you were conscious enough to want your mommy. Majority Democracy
was INVENTED to stop Criminal Robbery and Feudalism, of which
Capitalism is just a crypto-form.

Actually, that's what guns were invented for.

Cheers!
Rich

 

[Rich Grise]

On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 16:34:59 +0000, Ken Smith wrote:

In article <4170BB3B.6CC8@armory.com>,
R. Steve Walz <rstevew@armory.com> wrote:
[...]
Kerry wants to have the GOVERNMENT run his healthcare.
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He wants ALL of us to buy our healthcare together so some aren't
denied because of elitist favoritism.

No, that isn't his actual position. He want all of us to be able to get
healthcare coverage. He wants everyone to have more options not less.

He wants us to all get healthcare coverage on somebody else's paycheck.

How does the value of the money you spend on healthcare get increased
by going through the government first?

Thanks,
Rich

 

[Rich Grise]

On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 02:38:12 +0000, Ken Smith wrote:

In article <vk_bd.31092$QJ3.889@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>,
Clarence <no@No.com> wrote:

"Ken Smith" <kensmith@green.rahul.net> wrote in message
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[...]
Ok, it isn't so. How does Justice Jane Fonda strike you?

You mean "Barberella?" I would stay out of her reach.

That was her best movie wasn't it.

She made other movies?

 

[Frithiof Andreas Jensen]

"Frank Bemelman" <f.bemelmanx@xs4all.invalid.nl> skrev i en meddelelse
news:41703a10$0$36861$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl...

To bring that into the election makes no sense
at all.

Throwing a bone of contention to the plebs for them to fight over while the
real decisions/debate takes place, has become - unfortunately - a standard
tool in "Media Management". Sign of the timez.

 

[John Fields]

On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 20:55:39 GMT, Rich Grise <rich@example.net> wrote:

Bunch of damn marching morons are going to vote us back to medeival
serfdom.

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Medieval

--
John Fields

 

[John Fields]

On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 15:10:03 GMT, Tom MacIntyre
<tom__macintyre@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 09:23:39 -0500, John Fields
jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

If you can't even spell 'guess' properly, I don't think it's too
far-fetched to assume that he might have had trouble with 'diploma'.

I haven't been around here much for awhile...what's all this "Sh*t on
Rich" stuff about? John...ever heard of a typo?

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It's a long story.

Basically, Rich fancies himself an enlightened soothsayer with little
good to say about anything except his self-perceived near-perfection
and I delight in helping him along his way by pointing out the
imperfections in his mirror.

Or, of course, what I see as imperfections...

--
John Fields

 

[Ken Smith]

In article <pan.2004.10.17.09.30.12.380646@example.net>,
Rich Grise <rich@example.net> wrote:
[... Kerry ..]

He wants us to all get healthcare coverage on somebody else's paycheck.

This is not correct based on what I've heard him say and read.

His main starting points on health care are:

(1) With larger groups you get more bargening power assuming you don't
pass a law making it illegal to seek a lower price.

(2) If we can catch health care issues earlier they will cost less to deal
with.

How does the value of the money you spend on healthcare get increased
by going through the government first?

This question assumes facts that are not in the evidence so I won't answer
it.

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kensmith@rahul.net forging knowledge

 

[Ken Smith]

In article <4171F6BF.7070107@nospam.com>,
Fred Bloggs <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
[....]

It's a well known fact that Kim Jon Ill MUCH prefers Kerry over Bush.

That could be- because he does not want to actually *use* his weapons

OR:

(A)
"It's a well known fact that" is a common lead in to a falsehood and this
is just another example.

(B)
Mr. Kim wants to make sure Bush get re-elected so knowing he is hated here
says he supports Kerry.

(C)
Mr. Kim may be crazy but not stupid and has determined that since he is
partly dependant on external food supplies and knows that food production
usually decreases during a world war and thus wants to avoid a loon being
in the white house.


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kensmith@rahul.net forging knowledge

 

[Jim Yanik]

Rich Grise <rich@example.net> wrote in
newsan.2004.10.17.08.36.36.463939@example.net:

On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 06:03:39 +0000, R. Steve Walz wrote:

Jim Yanik wrote:

Rich Grise <rich@example.net> wrote in
newsan.2004.10.15.18.25.05.69414@example.net:

On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 10:33:44 -0700, Julie wrote:

Frank Bemelman wrote:

The state of the nation is ruled by other forces than just the
administration.

Why don't more people realize that?

Because most people are programmed not to notice anything. They're
quite comfortable being nice and obedient, in their comfortable
little stock pens.

People don't want freedom, they want Mommy.

Cheers!
Rich
-------------------------
When you're beaten and robbed lying in the road you'd be well off
if you were conscious enough to want your mommy. Majority Democracy
was INVENTED to stop Criminal Robbery and Feudalism, of which
Capitalism is just a crypto-form.

Actually, that's what guns were invented for.

Cheers!
Rich

Despite Kerry's posturing as a hunter and sportsman,he is clearly anti-
gun,has voted against citizens owning guns many times.He even sponsors
legislation that would ban most hunting firearms.(S.1431)

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik-at-kua.net

 

[Fred Bloggs]

Jim Yanik wrote:

Despite Kerry's posturing as a hunter and sportsman,he is clearly anti-
gun,has voted against citizens owning guns many times.He even sponsors
legislation that would ban most hunting firearms.(S.1431)

That is more of your single-issue brainwashing by the NRA. There is no
middle with naturally dumb and intellect-deficient losers like you.
Advocating "reasonable regulation" of gun ownership is NOT anti-gun. But
you'll never understand this, you are "dumb as shit" as they say.

 

[Clarence]

"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highlandSNIPtechTHISnologyPLEASE.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 18:17:55 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highlandSNIPtechTHISnologyPLEASE.com> wrote:

snip

Afterthought: the US political system has very different dynamics than
a Parliamentary system.

Because the Parliamentary system has flaws the Founders chose to avoid!

 

[Clarence]

"Robert Monsen" <rcsurname@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Clarence wrote:
"Robert Monsen" <rcsurname@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Clarence wrote:
"Madelin McKinnon" <rstacey@runbox.com> wrote in message
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I think the low blows are actually being thrown by the Cheney family
(specifically Lynne) and the republicans. It was pretty convenient for
Lynne and Dick to bring up their daughter when it makes Bush and
Cheney look "compassionate." It would be one thing if they never
brought it up in any speech or anything that furthers their campaign
with moderates...but they have.

So your an apologist for the attacks on Chaney's daughter?
You seem to agree that Mary is "Fair Game" and Kerry / Edwards may use her
as a punching bag. SHAME ON YOU!

You are making the baseless assumption that the statement by Kerry was
an attack. You must have been listening to a different debate, or had it
filtered through the Limbaugh filter.

I haven't heard what Rush had to say. Do not listen to him normally.

Here is what he said:
I think

No, you don't

Repeating the Insulting remarks are not going to change anything.
Is was an attack, and I just spent an hour listening to some national news
saying that it may have been the most damaging thing Kerry could have said.
He
shot himself in the foot while trying to drive a wedge between Cheney and
Bush.

I notice you clipped the remarks.

I clipped the offensive remarks because neither I, nor any person with
consideration for the Chaney's family would repeat them! SHAME ON YOU!

 

[Fred Bloggs]

Clarence wrote:

I clipped the offensive remarks because neither I, nor any person with
consideration for the Chaney's family would repeat them! SHAME ON YOU!

Who are the Chaney's? Your so damned dumb you can't even spell the name-

and after all these years of hero worship- pathetic. The VP pisses on
you- you know that.

 

[John Larkin]

On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 21:43:14 +0200, "Frank Bemelman"
<f.bemelmanx@xs4all.invalid.nl> wrote:

"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highlandSNIPtechTHISnologyPLEASE.com> schreef in
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On 16 Oct 2004 16:02:11 GMT, Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov.> wrote:


In that case the US should never have made the Normandy invasion or freed
Europe,then.Just left you all to Hitler.

Problem is, the Europeans will never forgive us for saving them,
twice. Or three times, if you include the Soviets.

A bigger problem exists if you can't see the difference between the
two events, liberation of Europe and invasion of Iraq.

Let's see, how many European countries didn't approve of the D-Day
invasion of France? Five that I can think of, if you include Vichy.

John

 

[Clarence]

"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 06:29:48 GMT, Rich Grise <rich@example.net> wrote:

On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 16:06:31 -0500, John Fields wrote:
On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 20:40:01 GMT, Rich Grise <rich@example.net> wrote:
On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 09:17:58 -0700, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 13:27:27 +0200, "Frank Bemelman"
...
It would be pretty much impossible for your precious W to pick
'colleages' that are less smart than himself.
Well, he managed to graduate from Yale. Where did you graduate?
My dad couldn't afford to buy me a diploma.
---
Or, no doubt, spell it.
I gusss by now, I should know to expect this sort of disrespect
from the likes of you.
You have insulted my father, who is not present to defend himself.
You, sir, are beneath contempt.
---
If you can't even spell 'guess' properly, I don't think it's too
far-fetched to assume that he might have had trouble with 'diploma'.

But, back to the subject at hand; you stated that your father
_couldn't_ buy you a diploma, not that he _wouldn't_, thereby
declaring him to be morally as well as financially impoverished.

In addition, your repeated posting of his smartass bastardization of
Beatrice Hall's "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to
the death your right to say it.",

(see http://www.classroomtools.com/voltaire.htm)

i.e. "I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the
death your right to remain uninformed.", goes a long to earn
disrespect by virtue of the fact that he deliberately distorted a
well-known phrase for the sole purpose of putting someone on the
defensive by forcing them, if they fell into the trap, to leave the
subject at hand and prove that they were, in fact, informed.

Cheap tricks don't earn respect and that's something, it seems, that
you have yet to learn, since the fruit doesn't fall far from the tree.
--
John Fields

You have fallen beneath contempt. You exhibit all the traits of ignorance and
spiteful arrogance. Yet you have not demonstrated any positive traits in this
thread. To insult someone, who appears to have managed to get an education
despite adverse conditions because in your shallow opine a person must have a
degree, and only one from an institution you feel worthy! You have failed to
exhibit the level of civilization of an ape! You are not a judge of quality,
nor fit to use or establish a measure of education. You demonstrate a lack of
civility which sickens all who see it.

Get a Life, repent your abusive behavior.
Learn to live on the earth before it opens and swallows you.

 

[John Larkin]

On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 12:08:00 +0200, "Frank Bemelman"
<f.bemelmanx@xs4all.invalid.nl> wrote:

Do you believe the US is a better place now, compared to the situation
before the invasion?

Somewhat, but that's not a causality.

I'm surprised you say that.

You are surprised that I try to think about what's actually happening,
and what the results may be, as opposed to ranting emotionally.

John

 

[Fred Bloggs]

Frank Bemelman wrote:

"Frank Bemelman" <f.bemelmanx@xs4all.invalid.nl> schreef in bericht
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"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> schreef in bericht
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On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 18:35:14 +0200, "Frank Bemelman"
f.bemelmanx@xs4all.invalid.nl> wrote:


"Frank Bemelman" <f.bemelmanx@xs4all.invalid.nl> schreef in bericht
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"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> schreef in bericht
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Do you believe that Saddam Hussein and company are something other
than a self-serving malignancy with no concern for anything but
themselves?

If you do, then I suggest that your loyalties lie with our enemies.

Well, well, the world as John Fiels see it. Go fuck yourself and
perform a pre-emptive strick on your own person.

And let me add, start removing the cancers in your own back garden,
for a change. There are plenty of them.

---
Yes, Frank, there are cancers _everywhere_. We all know that, and I'm
sure that once we come to realize that the most vocal opponents to
surgery are the cancers themselves, and their supporters, we'll all
be in a better position to help get rid of them.

Analogies don't work very often. It's okay to remove cancers, but
a proper diagnoses is more important, just to prevent amputating
a whole leg, where you actually suffer a sore toe. Try to get that
into your skull.

We both live in very rich countries. Money to burn, shops all over
the place, if your TV goes on the blink tonight, you have another
one tomorrow afternoon. The world however, has many different places
and our lifestyle isn't the holy grail or the answer to everything.

Last week I was in France, and in my hotel room was a magazine with
some daily pictures of life in Tibet. A professional photograhper
at work. One photo really struck me, and I kept the magazine. I'll
make a copy of that picture and will upload it. Give me an hour or
so.


http://www.xs4all.nl/~fbemelma/tibetwomanchild.jpg

You probably don't understand my point anyway, so I am not
going to waste my time explaining it.

That connection is being refused.

 

[Fred Bloggs]

Clarence wrote:

Learn to live on the earth before it opens and swallows you.

Can I interest you in a tour of Mount St Helens?