OT: If Kerry is elected...

[Frithiof Andreas Jensen]

"Frank Bemelman" <f.bemelmanx@xs4all.invalid.nl> skrev i en meddelelse
news:417019d3$0$34762$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl...

No, at max he admitted he was a puppet on a string, at the time.

That defense didn't cut much ice at Nurenberg - so why should it do so now?

It has nothing to with today. But I am not amused when my
words get turned around 180 degrees only to serve your personal
entertainment.

Messing with OT's *is* Entertainment - passes the time inbetween build,
load, test (crash) cycles. Doesn't burn much CPU.

 

[Frank Bemelman]

"Frithiof Andreas Jensen" <frithiof.jensen@diespammerdie.jensen.tdcadsl.dk>
schreef in bericht news:417033ff$0$143$edfadb0f@dread11.news.tele.dk...

"Frank Bemelman" <f.bemelmanx@xs4all.invalid.nl> skrev i en meddelelse
news:417019d3$0$34762$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl...

No, at max he admitted he was a puppet on a string, at the time.

That defense didn't cut much ice at Nurenberg - so why should it do so
now?

The Neurenberg proces was *short* after WWII. Vietnam are black pages
in the history book. To bring that into the election makes no sense
at all.

It has nothing to with today. But I am not amused when my
words get turned around 180 degrees only to serve your personal
entertainment.

Messing with OT's *is* Entertainment - passes the time inbetween build,
load, test (crash) cycles. Doesn't burn much CPU.

In general, yes.


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[Rich Grise]

On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 18:00:16 +0000, Don Pearce wrote:

On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 10:33:44 -0700, Julie <julie@nospam.com> wrote:

Frank Bemelman wrote:

The state of the nation is ruled by other forces than just the
administration.

Why don't more people realize that?

Don't you have a comedy like our "Yes, Minister"?

Probably not, but what's it about, if you don't mind my asking? I

do know I like most Brit humour.

Cheers!
RIch

 

[Rich Grise]

On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 10:35:56 -0700, Mark Fergerson wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:

On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 08:30:18 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highlandSNIPtechTHISnologyPLEASE.com> wrote:

[snip]

the election
will pretty much decide who gets blamed. And whether Hilary takes a
shot at 2008.

John

That makes it hard to decide my vote. Hillary would bring this
country to its socialist knees :-(

Take heart; my wife is convinced that the proposed Amendment to allow
non-citizens to run for President is specifically intended for Arnie.
Now, name a candidte that could beat him!

Well, this is ludicrous on the face of it. Naturalized citizens, maybe.

Thanks,
Rich

 

[Jonathan Kirwan]

On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 20:23:21 GMT, "Clarence" <no@No.com> wrote:

"Jonathan Kirwan" <jkirwan@easystreet.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 19:21:51 GMT, PaulCsouls <paulcsouls@worldnet.att.net
wrote:

Hilary's running for President of Iraq in January. Someone tried to
explain to her that she's not from there but ...

And here I thought that Bush supporters in the US were pushing the
scare-tactic that if Kerry gets in, he'll appoint her to the Supreme
Court!

Jon

Now THAT is a scary thought!

Say it isn't so!

Payback!

Jon

 

[John Larkin]

On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 22:28:44 +0200, "Frank Bemelman"
<f.bemelmanx@xs4all.invalid.nl> wrote:

"Julie" <julie@nospam.com> schreef in bericht
news:417009F8.D22B4CA1@nospam.com...
Frank Bemelman wrote:

The state of the nation is ruled by other forces than just the
administration.

Why don't more people realize that?

I don't know. It seems that the entire world population
has lost their brains.

To John Larkin: Yes, I know, I am the living example of it.

I never said anything like that. I never said you were stupid, or
wrong, or that you've lost anything. Why does everybody get so upset
about politics? I, at least, think rational people might elect to be
Democrats or Republicans or Whatevers, without getting hyperbolic
about it, or ripping posters out of one anothers front yards. My wife
is a Democrat, and that's fine with me; I sort of feel like she *has*
to be a Democrat because of what she is and does. She's going to vote
for Gigolo Horseface, of course. She thinks W is an idiot. She's
awfully cute.

How come we can *discuss* electronics, but just shriek about politics?
A country is just a complex dynamic system, after all, and the forces
and results are interesting. I do recall saying that the election of
JK or W won't make a huge difference.

John

 

[Ken Smith]

In article <ZkWbd.14040$nj.3943@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>,
Clarence <no@No.com> wrote:
[... hillary ...]

that if Kerry gets in, he'll appoint her to the Supreme Court!

Jon

Now THAT is a scary thought!

Say it isn't so!

Ok, it isn't so. How does Justice Jane Fonda strike you?

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[Ken Smith]

In article <pan.2004.10.15.22.06.35.581738@example.net>,
Rich Grise <rich@example.net> wrote:
[... Yes Minister ..]

Probably not, but what's it about, if you don't mind my asking? I
do know I like most Brit humour.

Watch the PBS listings. It is (A) an insightful documentary of the actual
workings of the Britich political system or (B) a send up of all politics
involving entrenched forces.

It should be required view for all voters (everywhere).

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[Ken Smith]

In article <gt40n0lk5mm77n5tdko0ls8p7bl8gnqg9m@4ax.com>,
John Larkin <jjlarkin@highSNIPlandTHIStechPLEASEnology.com> wrote:
[...]

But Kerry testified before congress that he committed war crimes in
Vietnam. I figured that was what you were referring to.

Let me guess, you got that factoid from Rush Limbaugh. Am I right?


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[Paul Hovnanian P.E.]

Jonathan Kirwan wrote:

On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 19:21:51 GMT, PaulCsouls <paulcsouls@worldnet.att.net
wrote:

Hilary's running for President of Iraq in January. Someone tried to
explain to her that she's not from there but ...

And here I thought that Bush supporters in the US were pushing the scare-tactic
that if Kerry gets in, he'll appoint her to the Supreme Court!

Jon

Not likely that the Senate would approve her nomination. Unless Kerry
has very long coattails and the balance of power shifts dramatically.

The best situation we could hope for is opposite parties in the
administration and the Senate. Only middle of the road, non
controversial nominee would make it in.

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[Frank Bemelman]

"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highSNIPlandTHIStechPLEASEnology.com> schreef in
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On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 22:28:44 +0200, "Frank Bemelman"
f.bemelmanx@xs4all.invalid.nl> wrote:

"Julie" <julie@nospam.com> schreef in bericht
news:417009F8.D22B4CA1@nospam.com...
Frank Bemelman wrote:

The state of the nation is ruled by other forces than just the
administration.

Why don't more people realize that?

I don't know. It seems that the entire world population
has lost their brains.

To John Larkin: Yes, I know, I am the living example of it.

I never said anything like that. I never said you were stupid, or
wrong, or that you've lost anything. Why does everybody get so upset
about politics? I, at least, think rational people might elect to be
Democrats or Republicans or Whatevers, without getting hyperbolic
about it, or ripping posters out of one anothers front yards. My wife
is a Democrat, and that's fine with me; I sort of feel like she *has*
to be a Democrat because of what she is and does. She's going to vote
for Gigolo Horseface, of course. She thinks W is an idiot. She's
awfully cute.

It's not just politics. Piles of dead bodies are not just politics.
Glad to hear you have an awfully cute wife. I was going to add she must
be awfully clever too, thinking W is an idiot. But then again you don't
need to be very clever to come to that conclusion. Nonetheless I hope
she is, of course.

How come we can *discuss* electronics, but just shriek about politics?
A country is just a complex dynamic system, after all, and the forces
and results are interesting. I do recall saying that the election of
JK or W won't make a huge difference.

We can discuss electronics, sure. But to sweep all things in life under
the carpet of, eh, 'interesting' is simple minded. Wasn't it your
precious W recalling 9/11 as 'an interesting day'. The election of
W makes quite a difference. It means that the majority has voted
for a proven war criminal. Wake up.

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[Julie]

Frank Bemelman wrote:

It means that the majority has voted
for a proven war criminal.

Gore was/is a war criminal?

(Remember, Gore had the majority/popular vote, Bush won the electoral vote.)

 

[Rich Grise]

On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 15:04:07 -0500, Dave wrote:

"Julie" <julie@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:416FE738.CDEE3700@nospam.com...
If Kerry is elected and the state of the nation stays the same or worsens
(high
oil prices, mess in Iraq, no UBL, etc.), are the anti-Bushers just going
to
blame it all on the previous Bush administration?

I've hardly decided my vote, but I'm almost tempted to hope/vote Kerry
just to
see what magic he will have to perform to pull off all of his promises...

Don't bother voting for Bush unless you honestly believe he can do different
from what he has already done.

Just a thought.

Problem is, the neocon acolytes don't see any wrong in their heaven-sent

leader. It's perfectly OK to murder people, as long as the white guys get
their paycheck.

Cheers!
Rich

 

[Jim Yanik]

"Clarence" <no@No.com> wrote in
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"Jonathan Kirwan" <jkirwan@easystreet.com> wrote in message
news:e590n0pkinalhei2iuf1cpk8ij056u46lp@4ax.com...
On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 19:21:51 GMT, PaulCsouls
paulcsouls@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

Hilary's running for President of Iraq in January. Someone tried to
explain to her that she's not from there but ...

And here I thought that Bush supporters in the US were pushing the
scare-tactic
that if Kerry gets in, he'll appoint her to the Supreme Court!

Jon

Now THAT is a scary thought!

Say it isn't so!

She has no judicial experience,she was just a lawyer.
Scary is Hillary becoming President.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik-at-kua.net

 

[Jim Yanik]

kensmith@green.rahul.net (Ken Smith) wrote in
news:ckpkrg$hq2$4@blue.rahul.net:

In article <gt40n0lk5mm77n5tdko0ls8p7bl8gnqg9m@4ax.com>,
John Larkin <jjlarkin@highSNIPlandTHIStechPLEASEnology.com> wrote:
[...]
But Kerry testified before congress that he committed war crimes in
Vietnam. I figured that was what you were referring to.

Let me guess, you got that factoid from Rush Limbaugh. Am I right?

"Factoid",hell.It's Congressional testimony,Kerry's own words.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik-at-kua.net

 

[Clarence]

"Ken Smith" <kensmith@green.rahul.net> wrote in message
news:ckpl0t$hq2$5@blue.rahul.net...

In article <AcUbd.13859$nj.7891@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>,
Clarence <no@No.com> wrote:
[...]
You seem confused. Kerry is the one who confessed to war crimes!

No actually he didn't. Some right wing hate groups are spreading the lie
that he did to rationalize their vote to put a known traitor back into the
white house.

I saw the replay of the hearing in which he said he was only one of many who,
and listed many very gory details. SO if that wasn't him, who was the actor
pretending to be Kerry in front of the congressional hearing?

 

[Julie]

Rich Grise wrote:

On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 15:04:07 -0500, Dave wrote:


"Julie" <julie@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:416FE738.CDEE3700@nospam.com...
If Kerry is elected and the state of the nation stays the same or worsens
(high
oil prices, mess in Iraq, no UBL, etc.), are the anti-Bushers just going
to
blame it all on the previous Bush administration?

I've hardly decided my vote, but I'm almost tempted to hope/vote Kerry
just to
see what magic he will have to perform to pull off all of his promises...

Don't bother voting for Bush unless you honestly believe he can do different
from what he has already done.

Just a thought.

Problem is, the neocon acolytes don't see any wrong in their heaven-sent
leader. It's perfectly OK to murder people, as long as the white guys get
their paycheck.

I have a problem with it.

(Honest questions, not rhetoric)

What is your solution to the 'issue' -- how do you solve that nest of problems
over there?

Do you think that isolationism is a better policy?

 

[Rich Grise]

On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 19:25:46 +0000, Jonathan Kirwan wrote:

A lot of good primary material from this time can be found starting at:

http://lists.village.virginia.edu/sixties/

Bottom line is that VVAW was considered the primary, serious threat to changing
public opinion and it was thereby designated a subversive group and subjected to
rather improper state and federal police practices. John Kerry, no less so, for
being a representative and having credentials which were difficult to publicly
marginalize.

Better be careful with this "Truth" stuff. You might find yourself on the
suspected terrorists list.

Thanks!
Rich

 

[Clarence]

"Ken Smith" <kensmith@green.rahul.net> wrote in message
news:ckpke9$hq2$2@blue.rahul.net...

In article <ZkWbd.14040$nj.3943@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>,
Clarence <no@No.com> wrote:
[... hillary ...]
that if Kerry gets in, he'll appoint her to the Supreme Court!

Jon

Now THAT is a scary thought!

Say it isn't so!

Ok, it isn't so. How does Justice Jane Fonda strike you?

You mean "Barberella?" I would stay out of her reach.

 

[Rich Grise]

On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 22:24:41 +0200, Frank Bemelman wrote:

"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highSNIPlandTHIStechPLEASEnology.com> schreef in

Gosh, you *aren't* amused. Are you ever amused, any day?

You've got your priorities and principles screwed up. There is
nothing to be amused about this subject. We all sit on our
fat asses and it is damn easy to be amused about everything
that gets dropped on our desks, in the knowledge that lunch
and dinner will be tasty and enjoyable not matter what happens,
and that at the end of the day we have a warm and comfortable
bed. It would serve you if you realized what portion of your
tax dollar is spent on the demolition of other peoples lives.

Larkin is part of the problem. He couldn't give a shit less about
people dying and suffering, as long as John Larkin can "rise
above" and have "fun."

Well, Judgement Day is upon us, boys and girls, you mark my
words.

(Oh, and if you're interested in surviving, I have the instructions.)

Good Luck!
Rich