OT: CEO responses to Covid-19

mpm <mpmillard@aol.com> wrote in news:b86d79c0-3a5a-465e-99e9-
e491b4e76e60@googlegroups.com:

Something to consider:

"What doesn't kill you makes you stronger."

Some might not agree...

<https://youtu.be/tJNA-t6XTBI?t=99>

Even though it is fiction... still...

 

[John S]

On 3/14/2020 6:58 PM, Rick C wrote:

On Saturday, March 14, 2020 at 7:45:11 PM UTC-4, John S wrote:
On 3/14/2020 6:09 PM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:
John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org> wrote in
news:r4jo1o$63i$5@dont-email.me:

The point was that bacteria is germs, and virus is not. Germs
self
replicate. A virus needs a host cell to duplicate itself.


Cite?

Are you really that fucking stupid?

Bacteria multiply on their own.

A virus requires a living host cell.

Are you so goddamned stupid now that YOU "can't google", you "goose
not gander" dumbfuck?


I love tweaking you. You're so much fun.

It's annoying as hell to the rest of us. Do you pull the wings off flies and kick dogs too?

You don't have to read it, Rick. Just ignore any thread in which
AlwaysWrong posts. Got it?

 

[John S]

On 3/14/2020 6:58 PM, Rick C wrote:

On Saturday, March 14, 2020 at 7:45:11 PM UTC-4, John S wrote:
On 3/14/2020 6:09 PM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:
John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org> wrote in
news:r4jo1o$63i$5@dont-email.me:

The point was that bacteria is germs, and virus is not. Germs
self
replicate. A virus needs a host cell to duplicate itself.


Cite?

Are you really that fucking stupid?

Bacteria multiply on their own.

A virus requires a living host cell.

Are you so goddamned stupid now that YOU "can't google", you "goose
not gander" dumbfuck?


I love tweaking you. You're so much fun.

It's annoying as hell to the rest of us. Do you pull the wings off flies and kick dogs too?

How do you know? Have you taken a poll?

 

[Rick C]

On Saturday, March 14, 2020 at 8:30:44 PM UTC-4, dca...@krl.org wrote:

On Saturday, March 14, 2020 at 7:48:00 PM UTC-4, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:


Hopefully here in the US, they will treat ALL infirmed by it.

the issue is whether there is the capacity to do that if it spread too fast

My guess is that capacity is not going to be a problem. There is a lot of excess capacity right now and the percentage of cases that require hospitalization is small. There may be problems with matching patients and beds

There is zero reason to think there is much excess hospital capacity in the US any more than there was in China. They actually built entirely new medical centers just for this outbreak. It is amazing they could move so quickly. I doubt the US can do anything like that and I'm pretty sure we will need to do that in a few months.

In the US this infection has not quite taken off like a rocket, but while China has reduced the number of new cases per day to low double digits, in the rest of the world infections are growing exponentially. The US seems to be no small part of that.

There is literally no reason to think the US will be able too provide any sort of care for the majority of victims of this disease.

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John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org> wrote in
news:r4k16a$63i$10@dont-email.me:

On 3/14/2020 6:58 PM, Rick C wrote:
On Saturday, March 14, 2020 at 7:45:11 PM UTC-4, John S wrote:
On 3/14/2020 6:09 PM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org
wrote:
John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org> wrote in
news:r4jo1o$63i$5@dont-email.me:

The point was that bacteria is germs, and virus is not.
Germs self
replicate. A virus needs a host cell to duplicate itself.


Cite?

Are you really that fucking stupid?

Bacteria multiply on their own.

A virus requires a living host cell.

Are you so goddamned stupid now that YOU "can't google",
you "goose
not gander" dumbfuck?


I love tweaking you. You're so much fun.

It's annoying as hell to the rest of us. Do you pull the wings
off flies and kick dogs too?


How do you know? Have you taken a poll?

No. His total retardation level ranks right up there with yours,
putz.

 

[whit3rd]

On Saturday, March 14, 2020 at 1:22:18 PM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On 12 Mar 2020 19:16:05 -0700, Winfield Hill <winfieldhill@yahoo.com
wrote:

Today I got emails from the CEOs of three companies
about their actions to protect us against Covid-19.

Nuclear extinction. Nuclear winter. Global cooling. Global warming.
Sea level rise. Ozone hole. The Population Bomb. Y2K. Ebola. SARS.
MERS.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categoryoomsday_scenarios

This sort of thing is ever popular.

Not popular; vitally important. We live and die by our collective ability to
handle these (and other) plausible scenarios. No sane individual wants to see
a nuclear winter, and a flurry of very productive arms limitation work
has made the planet safer. But, never completely safe.

 

Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote in news:6472cdbc-c75a-
4681-b445-774ae928ccc3@googlegroups.com:

> Here in the US we have not restricted travel inside the US,

Kalamazoo, Michigan has cops at certain locations denying access to
certain neighborhoods if you do not live there.

"let me see you papers, please..."

And "Iz it zafe yet?" (dental drill squeals in the background.

They said something about hearing about a big (private) party being
organized. Sounds almost like martial law.

That was on the news this morning.

 

John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org> wrote in
news:r4jqr1$63i$8@dont-email.me:

> Now waiting for your,

Fuck you, jackass motherfucker. Wait till you die, you worthy of
immediate death retarded fuckhead.

> ummm, informed cite.

A Bacterium is bacteria

A virus is a virus

Mold is mold

A fungus is a fungus

You are an abject idiot. Must be a Trumpanzee.

Even without calling
you the name you deserve (and you know what that is).

Nice try, utterly fucking immature little punk.

Your mother was a protist prion.

You are just the result of her criminal level failure to pull the
flush handle.

 

John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org> wrote in
news:r4jqr1$63i$8@dont-email.me:

"In modern times, the term "germ" isn't widely used in formal
science.

Which is why I posed the first question.

It is only 40 years outdated, minimum.

Oh, and I thought that you and formal science were mutually
exclusive.

Maybe I should call you Sum Ting Wang... or AlwaysWang.

As in DICK HEAD.

 

Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote in
news:5dbb2386-a335-4d10-a382-6f7287a8fb1e@googlegroups.com:

> It's annoying as hell to the rest of us.

You are not part of, nor do you speak for any "us".

Do you pull the wings
off flies and kick dogs too?

He is beneath the fly species. And any dog the wussy kicks would
likely bite him viciously.

You do not rise many places above him on the stupid fuck totem pole,
however. This post here I respond to is one example that proves that.

 

[Tom Gardner]

On 14/03/20 08:49, Tom Gardner wrote:

On 14/03/20 02:09, Bill Sloman wrote:
China has cut it's new case rate down to ten a day, and is starting to unlock
the lock-down in selected areas.

It will be *very* interesting to see what happens.

Some simulations that give a feel for what can happen given
different responses:
- free for all, i.e. denial and no response
- attempted quarantine, e.g. Wuhan
- moderate social distancing, e.g. several countries
- extensive social distancing

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/corona-simulator/

 

[David Brown]

On 15/03/2020 00:31, mpm wrote:

Something to consider:

"What doesn't kill you makes you stronger."

You can consider it if you like, and perhaps realise it is not true in
general.

 

[David Brown]

On 15/03/2020 00:04, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org> wrote in
news:r4jnjo$63i$4@dont-email.me:

1. a microorganism, especially one which causes disease.
2. a portion of an organism capable of developing into a new one
or part of one.

You don't know how to Google?


You obviously cannot comprehend what you read.

It was sarcasm, ya dopey dork.

The point was that bacteria is germs, and virus is not. Germs self
replicate. A virus needs a host cell to duplicate itself.

"germ" is a colloquial term for "pathogen", meaning an infectious
microorganism or agent. It includes bacteria, viruses, fungi, prions,
and single-cell parasites. (Bigger parasites are mostly excluded.)
Note that neither viruses nor prions can self-replicate, but they are
still considered pathogens and therefore "germs".

 

[dcaster@krl.org]

On Saturday, March 14, 2020 at 9:58:18 PM UTC-4, Rick C wrote:

On Saturday, March 14, 2020 at 8:30:44 PM UTC-4, dca...@krl.org wrote:
On Saturday, March 14, 2020 at 7:48:00 PM UTC-4, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:


Hopefully here in the US, they will treat ALL infirmed by it.

the issue is whether there is the capacity to do that if it spread too fast

My guess is that capacity is not going to be a problem. There is a lot of excess capacity right now and the percentage of cases that require hospitalization is small. There may be problems with matching patients and beds

There is zero reason to think there is much excess hospital capacity in the US any more than there was in China. They actually built entirely new medical centers just for this outbreak. It is amazing they could move so quickly. I doubt the US can do anything like that and I'm pretty sure we will need to do that in a few months.

In the US this infection has not quite taken off like a rocket, but while China has reduced the number of new cases per day to low double digits, in the rest of the world infections are growing exponentially. The US seems to be no small part of that.

There is literally no reason to think the US will be able too provide any sort of care for the majority of victims of this disease.

We shall see. There are a number of reasons why the number of people infected is going to decrease.

Dan

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Rick C.

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[David Brown]

On 14/03/2020 23:49, John S wrote:

On 3/14/2020 10:50 AM, David Brown wrote:
On 14/03/2020 13:46, John S wrote:
On 3/13/2020 8:54 AM, David Brown wrote:
On 13/03/2020 06:45, Rick C wrote:
On Friday, March 13, 2020 at 12:46:28 AM UTC-4, Robert Baer wrote:

* Excuse me, but doesn't it spread in the air?

You are excused.

While droplets containing the virus can be spread through the air,
the means of picking up the droplets is most often by touching
something and then touching your mucous membranes, eyes, nose, mouth.
The droplets can remain airborne for some time, but on a surface the
virus can live for many hours or even some days.  Droplets aren't
going to remain airborne nearly that long.

There isn't much you can do about breathing.  But you can wash your
hands and try not to touch your face until you have washed.  There
are no guarantees in life, but you can play the smart odds.


That is all good advice.

It applies equally to normal flu, and most other viruses - the path is
mainly cough/sneeze droplets to surface, then surface to face.

It's worth noting that most people don't know how to wash their hands
properly to minimise the risk of giving or getting an infection.

And as you noted, an alcohol wipe is of little use - you want 30
seconds
of wet alcohol to deactivate the virus.  (If the virus is protected by
sneeze droplets or other mucus, it takes minutes - but one would
hope it
is obvious that you should at least wipe globs of phlegm from your
hands
if you can't wash them.)  Washing is more effective than alcohol
sanitizers for your hands, when possible.

Disinfectant on surfaces is fine.


(Some viruses, such as noroviruses, are almost completely unaffected by
alcohol, so washing is good general practice.)


What about hydrogen peroxide rather than alcohol?

A little hydrogen peroxide is a good idea - hand sanitizer usually has
about 3% of it.  (Too much is not good for your skin.)  But still,
washing with soap and water is generally best when possible.


Yes. I use it on my cutting board after a soap and water wipe. The
cutting board is 75 x 54 cm.

My solution is not to have food that has a high risk of pathogens. And
if you are cutting something like chicken that might have salmonella,
use a plastic cutting board and put it in the dishwasher. Disinfectants
are unnecessary in normal home use.

Also, I have a germicidal UV-C lamp which I use on certain items
(mail, for example). Comment?

Sure, use it on items that might be infected (you have to be quite
paranoid to use it on your mail) - UV is commonly used for sterilising
medical equipment.  Don't try it on your hands, however - you'll kill
your skin cells before you destroy any virus particles.

Mail was only an example. I do not use it anywhere on my body. My
dermatologist tells me to stay out of the sun. I take vitamin D instead.

Unless you have some serious medical condition resulting in a poor
immune system, you don't need to use it on /anything/.

 

[David Brown]

On 14/03/2020 18:55, dcaster@krl.org wrote:

On Saturday, March 14, 2020 at 11:50:07 AM UTC-4, David Brown wrote:


Also, I have a germicidal UV-C lamp which I use on certain items (mail,
for example). Comment?

Sure, use it on items that might be infected (you have to be quite
paranoid to use it on your mail) - UV is commonly used for sterilising
medical equipment. Don't try it on your hands, however - you'll kill
your skin cells before you destroy any virus particles.

My understanding is that UVC is not a problem unlike UVA and UVB.

Your understanding here is wrong.

It is very simple. Any UV (or other bands of radiation) which is
energetic enough to be ionising for DNA and RNA, and is therefore useful
for sterilisation of pathogens, will damage the cells in your body. UVC
is higher frequency and lower wavelength than UVA and UVB - it has more
energy, and is more dangerous.

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Sunday, March 15, 2020 at 11:56:53 PM UTC+11, dca...@krl.org wrote:

On Saturday, March 14, 2020 at 9:58:18 PM UTC-4, Rick C wrote:
On Saturday, March 14, 2020 at 8:30:44 PM UTC-4, dca...@krl.org wrote:
On Saturday, March 14, 2020 at 7:48:00 PM UTC-4, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:


Hopefully here in the US, they will treat ALL infirmed by it.

the issue is whether there is the capacity to do that if it spread too fast

My guess is that capacity is not going to be a problem. There is a lot of excess capacity right now and the percentage of cases that require hospitalization is small. There may be problems with matching patients and beds

There is zero reason to think there is much excess hospital capacity in the US any more than there was in China. They actually built entirely new medical centers just for this outbreak. It is amazing they could move so quickly. I doubt the US can do anything like that and I'm pretty sure we will need to do that in a few months.

In the US this infection has not quite taken off like a rocket, but while China has reduced the number of new cases per day to low double digits, in the rest of the world infections are growing exponentially. The US seems to be no small part of that.

There is literally no reason to think the US will be able too provide any sort of care for the majority of victims of this disease.


We shall see. There are a number of reasons why the number of people infected is going to decrease.

None of which Dan can be bothered to list.

It does seem to take quite a lot of social distancing to stop people with a covert Covid-19 infection from infecting more than one new patient.

China seems to have managed it - but it took a while. Italy doesn't seem to have got there yet.

We aren't yet getting picture of empty streets from the US.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[dcaster@krl.org]

On Sunday, March 15, 2020 at 9:22:20 AM UTC-4, Bill Sloman wrote:

On Sunday, March 15, 2020 at 11:56:53 PM UTC+11, dca...@krl.org wrote:
On Saturday, March 14, 2020 at 9:58:18 PM UTC-4, Rick C wrote:
On Saturday, March 14, 2020 at 8:30:44 PM UTC-4, dca...@krl.org wrote:
On Saturday, March 14, 2020 at 7:48:00 PM UTC-4, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:


Hopefully here in the US, they will treat ALL infirmed by it.

the issue is whether there is the capacity to do that if it spread too fast

My guess is that capacity is not going to be a problem. There is a lot of excess capacity right now and the percentage of cases that require hospitalization is small. There may be problems with matching patients and beds

There is zero reason to think there is much excess hospital capacity in the US any more than there was in China. They actually built entirely new medical centers just for this outbreak. It is amazing they could move so quickly. I doubt the US can do anything like that and I'm pretty sure we will need to do that in a few months.

In the US this infection has not quite taken off like a rocket, but while China has reduced the number of new cases per day to low double digits, in the rest of the world infections are growing exponentially. The US seems to be no small part of that.

There is literally no reason to think the US will be able too provide any sort of care for the majority of victims of this disease.


We shall see. There are a number of reasons why the number of people infected is going to decrease.

None of which Dan can be bothered to list.

You are not in kindergarten. You ought to be able to think of some of the reasons by yourself. If you need to be lead to the answers, tough. You are right, -I can not be bothered.

Dan

It does seem to take quite a lot of social distancing to stop people with a covert Covid-19 infection from infecting more than one new patient.

China seems to have managed it - but it took a while. Italy doesn't seem to have got there yet.

We aren't yet getting picture of empty streets from the US.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

On Saturday, March 14, 2020 at 10:29:49 AM UTC-4, Bill Sloman wrote:

On Sunday, March 15, 2020 at 12:37:15 AM UTC+11, bloggs.fre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, March 13, 2020 at 10:09:58 PM UTC-4, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, March 14, 2020 at 5:29:32 AM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 13 Mar 2020 11:53:07 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

On 2020-03-13 10:51, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On 12 Mar 2020 19:16:05 -0700, Winfield Hill <winfieldhill@yahoo..com
wrote:

snip

Apparently kids don't get this. So why are we closing schools?

Because they have grandparents. There are indications that teenagers
are very efficient carriers.

How long can we keep schools closed?

Probably until we can develop and distribute a vaccine, if necessary.

China has cut it's new case rate down to ten a day, and is starting to unlock the lock-down in selected areas.

The US still hasn't got it's act together to the point where it has even got enough virus testing kits, so they seem unlikely to be able to do as well.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

You keep talking about vaccines in a way that indicates you don't know the first thing about them.

1) vaccines take years to develop- standard protocol is three phases and the largest and last phase three follows participants for two years or more looking for side effects among other things. If you think safety testing is unimportant, check out the vaccine induced autoimmune disease of the First Gulf War anthrax vaccine. You're not going to see a vaccine sooner than 5 years, if ever.

They certainly used to.

One if the proposed vaccines is intended to present just the "spike" protein on the corona virus, which is what locks onto the cells that corona virus infects.

That is the common feature of all corona viruses, which would make the vaccine effective against many different strains of virus, and if the virus mutates it out shape so that the antibody doesn't recognise it, it also it's capacity to lock onto the cells it infects.

This is a new approach, and depends on the new tricks that molecular biologists have developed. Telling us how things used to work isn't all that useful.

https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/09/coronavirus-scientists-play-legos-with-proteins-to-build-next-gen-vaccine/

2) depending on the urgency, authorities give approval for vaccine use at very low levels of effectiveness. most of the time it seems to be 30%, but in an emergency they'll go lower. You almost never see anything remotely close to 100%, even 60% is very highly unusually successful.

Vaccines reduce the probability of getting infected. To get an epidemic an infected person has to infect more than one new victim while the infection is active, and any protection is useful.

3) it's difficult for a vaccine to induce a strong antibody response in older people, so as usual the age dependence works its way in there making the vaccine just nigh short of worthless for that age group.

Which is why I get the flu vaccine every year because I'm over 70?

It may not be as effective as it is for younger people, but the protection I get is still useful.

Still think your friggin imaginary vaccine is going to help you?

It's a whole lot better than nothing. And it's not my imagination which is sucking in venture capital.

Australia's CSL (which used to be the Commonwealth Serum Laboratories before it got privatised) is now the most valuable company on the Australian stock market.

https://www.csl.com/news/2020/20200212-csl-media-statement-on-coronavirus

They aren't pitching in to make money - their specialty is influenza vaccines - but as a humanitarian effort (at least at this stage).

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

There's nothing in the write-up to indicate they will be able to fast track the usual 5-year test and approval process. The article reads like a business prospectus and is therefore very misleading.
Most of the science expounded by the RNS/DNA people is speculation. They don't have any kind of real test data on this technique, meaning it's a long shot. It's good they're getting the funding to conduct basic research into the technique, but it's bad they're misleading people into thinking it's even close to being a cure for the current pandemic.

 

On Sat, 14 Mar 2020 19:21:11 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Saturday, March 14, 2020 at 1:22:18 PM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On 12 Mar 2020 19:16:05 -0700, Winfield Hill <winfieldhill@yahoo.com
wrote:

Today I got emails from the CEOs of three companies
about their actions to protect us against Covid-19.

Nuclear extinction. Nuclear winter. Global cooling. Global warming.
Sea level rise. Ozone hole. The Population Bomb. Y2K. Ebola. SARS.
MERS.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categoryoomsday_scenarios

This sort of thing is ever popular.

Not popular; vitally important. We live and die by our collective ability to
handle these (and other) plausible scenarios. No sane individual wants to see
a nuclear winter, and a flurry of very productive arms limitation work
has made the planet safer. But, never completely safe.

The key phrase here is "plausible."

I suppose panic is a sort of herd survival mechanism, except that the
panics are usually random and irrational. What happened to peak oil?
The great irrational sugar panic made my daddy-in-law, a barely
literate cajun sugar cane farmer, rich.

Most people are afraid. Fear is an energy gradient that, as it builds,
any random concept can exploit.

But why did this one pick toilet paper and garlic? We'll never know.


--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

The cork popped merrily, and Lord Peter rose to his feet.
"Bunter", he said, "I give you a toast. The triumph of Instinct over Reason"