OT: CEO responses to Covid-19

On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 10:37:07 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sat, 21 Mar 2020 11:19:12 -0000 (UTC), Jasen Betts
jasen@xnet.co.nz> wrote:

On 2020-03-14, mpm <mpmillard@aol.com> wrote:
Something to consider:

"What doesn't kill you makes you stronger."


That's a lie. Try polio, or a fast-food diet for example.

I had a broken rib once, with no apparent benefits.

I broke one five weeks ago, and I am still enjoying the no apparent
benefits.

Nietzsche gave us Mpm's quote. Shortly after uttering it Nietzsche
lapsed into a permanent catatonic state, with no apparent benefits.
(True story.)

Cheers,
James
 
On Sat, 21 Mar 2020 08:29:58 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 10:37:07 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sat, 21 Mar 2020 11:19:12 -0000 (UTC), Jasen Betts
jasen@xnet.co.nz> wrote:

On 2020-03-14, mpm <mpmillard@aol.com> wrote:
Something to consider:

"What doesn't kill you makes you stronger."


That's a lie. Try polio, or a fast-food diet for example.

I had a broken rib once, with no apparent benefits.

I broke one five weeks ago, and I am still enjoying the no apparent
benefits.

Sneezing with a broken rib is a memorable experience. I can't imagine
what a half-dozen compound fractures would be like.

When I was at SF General (now Zuckerberg) Hospital, I had a hilarious
gay nurse. I kept screaming, "Earl, you idiot, stop being funny! I
have a broken rib!"

Nietzsche gave us Mpm's quote. Shortly after uttering it Nietzsche
lapsed into a permanent catatonic state, with no apparent benefits.
(True story.)

Famous last words.



--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

The cork popped merrily, and Lord Peter rose to his feet.
"Bunter", he said, "I give you a toast. The triumph of Instinct over Reason"
 
On 2020-03-21 12:45, Jasen Betts wrote:
On 2020-03-15, Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, March 15, 2020 at 3:20:03 PM UTC-4, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
On 2020-03-15 19:06, Rick C wrote:
On Sunday, March 15, 2020 at 1:06:01 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
[...]

Any population has to maintain enough genetic diversity that no single
pathogen can wipe it entirely out.

Sounds great in theory, but how does the population know which genes to diversify to maintain the species?
[...]

Weird question, the mark of a profound misunderstanding. There is
no purpose in diversity. Some variants might work, many might not.
If a species is confronted with some pathogen and has no variants
that can survive it, it goes extinct.

Yes, exactly. At any time a species can go extinct and they do. The only way genetic diversity can be selected for is when there are regular challenges to the survival of a species. As soon as a pathogen or other extinction level threat is involved, the result is a lower genetic diversity which is counter to further challenges.

Genetic diversity isn't "maintained". It happens as a result of mutations which are always happening. Most mutations result in a lower survival rate and cease to exist. Some have minimal negative impact and continue to exist. The diversity exists because of mutations. The end result is that often the diversity allows the species to survive pathogens. The diversity didn't exist in order to survive pathogens. It just exists from natural causes but allows a population to survive some otherwise extinction causing events.

It is maintained. Mutation is inherent in meiosis (the cell division process
that forms the gametes)

The gene shuffling that occurs during meiosis is not what is
meant by 'mutation'. A mutation is a change in a sequence
of base pairs as a consequence of random transcription errors,
or through the effects of chemical of radiological aggressions.

Jeroen Belleman
 
On Monday, March 23, 2020 at 5:07:26 AM UTC-4, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 20 Mar 2020 15:51:05 -0400, "Tom Del Rosso"
fizzbintuesday@that-google-mail-domain.com> wrote:

jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

We just went to Safeway for our usually quiet Saturday morning
shopping. It was jammed. Nowhere to park, no carts. Shelves stripped
in no logical pattern. Huge checkout lines full of overloaded carts.
Who needs six boxes of Pancko and two gallons of vodka?

And stores are closing early at 6pm and opening late. It seems to me
that shortening the hours only forces people to crowd more while they
are open, making it more dangerous.



The nice little store in the village opened today at 7AM for an hour
just for seniors. They checked IDs. Mo went down and she said it was
vicious, mean old ladies grabbing stuff out of her hand.

Yeah, the supermarket clerks here say it's the same old people going
back for repeat visits to grab stuff. They must think they'll have no
supplies available for a year, and even if that was true, they think all
they'll need is toilet paper, bottled water, and bleach.

I wondered what happens to people who need to go to a hospital for other
reasons. Last night I found out because I passed a kidney stone. I
needed to drink water but I puked again after a few sips. I couldn't
even keep an ibuprofin down long enough to take effect. The usual
solution would be to get an IV, but I didn't want to go to a hospital.
Couldn't find a phone number for a health advise line where somebody
would answer the phone. So I called several hospitals for advise; only a
few answered. "Are you a nurse?" "No but no one here will give advise
over the phone." Called a taxi company (hospital is a half-mile away and
I didn't need to tie up an ambulance) and was told that hospitals now
require notice before walking in. I don't know if that's true but since
they weren't answering anyway I tried to force water down. If I
couldn't keep any of it down then I'd go in. The nausea started to
dissipate so the hospital wasn't necessary. By next morning the last
pain pills should have worn off but there was no more pain.

I have to tell you that was not a good idea unless your hospitals are teeming, fetid sources of contagion. I'm quite the veteran of kidney stones and they are often safe to pass without intervention, but they can do damage to the kidney if ignored. Unless the pain passes by the time you are in the radiology department, you should have an IVP test which will show the size and location of the stone and they can decide what to do about it.

Where'd you get the pain pills? Were they left over from another illness? I've got a nearly full bottle of oxycodone from my hip surgery. I think I took half a dozen and they gave me 80. The pain was less after than it was before for sure.

I can tell when I'm about to pass a stone. I get a salty taste in the back of my throat and after a while a pain around my kidneys. Time to head for the hospital CV19 or no.

--

Rick C.

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jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 20 Mar 2020 15:51:05 -0400, "Tom Del Rosso"
fizzbintuesday@that-google-mail-domain.com> wrote:

jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

We just went to Safeway for our usually quiet Saturday morning
shopping. It was jammed. Nowhere to park, no carts. Shelves stripped
in no logical pattern. Huge checkout lines full of overloaded carts.
Who needs six boxes of Pancko and two gallons of vodka?

And stores are closing early at 6pm and opening late. It seems to me
that shortening the hours only forces people to crowd more while they
are open, making it more dangerous.



The nice little store in the village opened today at 7AM for an hour
just for seniors. They checked IDs. Mo went down and she said it was
vicious, mean old ladies grabbing stuff out of her hand.

Yeah, the supermarket clerks here say it's the same old people going
back for repeat visits to grab stuff. They must think they'll have no
supplies available for a year, and even if that was true, they think all
they'll need is toilet paper, bottled water, and bleach.

I wondered what happens to people who need to go to a hospital for other
reasons. Last night I found out because I passed a kidney stone. I
needed to drink water but I puked again after a few sips. I couldn't
even keep an ibuprofin down long enough to take effect. The usual
solution would be to get an IV, but I didn't want to go to a hospital.
Couldn't find a phone number for a health advise line where somebody
would answer the phone. So I called several hospitals for advise; only a
few answered. "Are you a nurse?" "No but no one here will give advise
over the phone." Called a taxi company (hospital is a half-mile away and
I didn't need to tie up an ambulance) and was told that hospitals now
require notice before walking in. I don't know if that's true but since
they weren't answering anyway I tried to force water down. If I
couldn't keep any of it down then I'd go in. The nausea started to
dissipate so the hospital wasn't necessary. By next morning the last
pain pills should have worn off but there was no more pain.
 
Rick C wrote:
I have to tell you that was not a good idea unless your hospitals are
teeming, fetid sources of contagion. I'm quite the veteran of kidney
stones and they are often safe to pass without intervention, but they
can do damage to the kidney if ignored. Unless the pain passes by
the time you are in the radiology department, you should have an IVP
test which will show the size and location of the stone and they can
decide what to do about it.

I was looking for advise like that but didn't get any. They should give
answers by phone now that people are reluctant to go in.


Where'd you get the pain pills? Were they left over from another
illness?

My first stone last year. But it's OTC.
 
On Monday, March 23, 2020 at 6:03:50 AM UTC-4, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
Rick C wrote:

I have to tell you that was not a good idea unless your hospitals are
teeming, fetid sources of contagion. I'm quite the veteran of kidney
stones and they are often safe to pass without intervention, but they
can do damage to the kidney if ignored. Unless the pain passes by
the time you are in the radiology department, you should have an IVP
test which will show the size and location of the stone and they can
decide what to do about it.

I was looking for advise like that but didn't get any. They should give
answers by phone now that people are reluctant to go in.


Where'd you get the pain pills? Were they left over from another
illness?

My first stone last year. But it's OTC.

Glad things turned out ok. Stones are tough to ignore... well, mine always have been. I get less than an hour between knowing it a stone and reaching Max Rager mode where I'm begging for pain killers.

--

Rick C.

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On 3/16/20 5:14 PM, Martin Brown wrote:
On 15/03/2020 17:05, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

I wonder, if a random group of people were exposed to this virus, how
many would actually get infected? I suspect it would be a minority of
the population. If it is very infectuous, but not everyone is
suceptable, the dynamics could be very different from predictions.

The MFU at US immigration today will seriously test this out. If ever
there was a perfect way to ensure transmission of the virus it was to
trap lots of people for long periods and at close proximity indoors.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-51895246

That sort of crush pretty much ensures that for every single case on the
input side there will be 6 to 10 new infections before they leave. A
sheep and goats separation based on thermal imaging is the way to go.

WTF did you elect a clueless game show host as President?

Here is a description by a UK medic who caught their Covid-19 in New
York of the experience. It is at the extreme end of a bad dose of flu.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/health-51886553/uk-doctor-on-recovering-from-grim-coronavirus


Basically the virus is already running wild in the USA but since normal
people cannot afford to get tested there are no good statistics at all.

And agent orange does not want them to be tested because he likes the
numbers as they are and not higher.

Any population has to maintain enough genetic diversity that no single
pathogen can wipe it entirely out.

There will be survivors. My money is on the Mormons since they have to
keep 3 months of food supply in store as a part of their religion.

Panic buying in the UK seems to be somewhat store dependent. The worst I
have seen first hand was in Tescos. Shelves stripped bare. The best
behaviour by far was in Aldi where with true German efficiency they had
a strict rationing rule of no more than 4 of anything in your trolley.

It was amusing to see what the panic buying preppers were choosing.

--
Reinhardt
 
On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 4:50:59 AM UTC-4, Reinhardt Behm wrote:
On 3/16/20 5:14 PM, Martin Brown wrote:

Basically the virus is already running wild in the USA but since normal
people cannot afford to get tested there are no good statistics at all.

And agent orange does not want them to be tested because he likes the
numbers as they are and not higher.

Reinhardt

Testing is free and widely available.

Cheers,
James Arthur
 
On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 11:42:26 PM UTC+10, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 4:50:59 AM UTC-4, Reinhardt Behm wrote:
On 3/16/20 5:14 PM, Martin Brown wrote:

Basically the virus is already running wild in the USA but since normal
people cannot afford to get tested there are no good statistics at all.

And agent orange does not want them to be tested because he likes the
numbers as they are and not higher.

Reinhardt

Testing is free and widely available.

Perhaps for anybody with health insurance and James Arthur's political connections.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

now shows the test per million population as one of columns - the rightmost one.

Clicking on the head of the column sorts the list of countries from those that do most testing to those that do least.

Norway is at the top of the actual countries listed, at 24,020 tests per million people. Germany is further down the list, at 15,730 test per million people.

Australia isn't far behind with 14,564.

The USA is a lot further behind at 9,383, just behind Russia at 10,402.

That rather suggests the testing isn't all that widely available in the US.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 9:42:26 AM UTC-4, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 4:50:59 AM UTC-4, Reinhardt Behm wrote:
On 3/16/20 5:14 PM, Martin Brown wrote:

Basically the virus is already running wild in the USA but since normal
people cannot afford to get tested there are no good statistics at all.

And agent orange does not want them to be tested because he likes the
numbers as they are and not higher.

Reinhardt

Testing is free and widely available.

Calling BS on that. In Frederick, MD it was only the last few days the hospital announced they could do their own testing rather than sending it out which could take weeks. Even now they still have restrictions on who they will test. But they will take the swab outside the facility without you getting out of your car.

Woo hoo.

--

Rick C.

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+---- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
 
On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 12:11:25 PM UTC-4, Ricky C wrote:
On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 9:42:26 AM UTC-4, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 4:50:59 AM UTC-4, Reinhardt Behm wrote:
On 3/16/20 5:14 PM, Martin Brown wrote:

Basically the virus is already running wild in the USA but since normal
people cannot afford to get tested there are no good statistics at all.

And agent orange does not want them to be tested because he likes the
numbers as they are and not higher.

Reinhardt

Testing is free and widely available.

Calling BS on that. In Frederick, MD it was only the last few days the hospital announced they could do their own testing rather than sending it out which could take weeks. Even now they still have restrictions on who they will test. But they will take the swab outside the facility without you getting out of your car.

Woo hoo.

I said testing was free and widely available. I didn't say everyone got
a dozen free instant virus breathalyzer kits dropped by their door.

It's a fake controversy.

Cheers,
James Arthur
~~~~

"Every country got coronavirus eventually, but China got it right off the bat."
 
On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 3:05:44 PM UTC-4, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 12:11:25 PM UTC-4, Ricky C wrote:
On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 9:42:26 AM UTC-4, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 4:50:59 AM UTC-4, Reinhardt Behm wrote:
On 3/16/20 5:14 PM, Martin Brown wrote:

Basically the virus is already running wild in the USA but since normal
people cannot afford to get tested there are no good statistics at all.

And agent orange does not want them to be tested because he likes the
numbers as they are and not higher.

Reinhardt

Testing is free and widely available.

Calling BS on that. In Frederick, MD it was only the last few days the hospital announced they could do their own testing rather than sending it out which could take weeks. Even now they still have restrictions on who they will test. But they will take the swab outside the facility without you getting out of your car.

Woo hoo.

I said testing was free and widely available. I didn't say everyone got
a dozen free instant virus breathalyzer kits dropped by their door.

It's a fake controversy.

I guess you didn't read my post. I called BS on what you wrote and supported it with a specific case. There are many others like that.

Your comment about delivering tests to your door is specious deflection.

Testing remains less than optimal even if it is a lot better than it was. They still are not testing people who are not directly exposed to a known infected person or has symptoms. Meanwhile the many asymptomatic are spreading the infection.

--

Rick C.

+---+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
+---+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
 
On 2020-04-15 12:11, Ricky C wrote:
On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 9:42:26 AM UTC-4, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 4:50:59 AM UTC-4, Reinhardt Behm wrote:
On 3/16/20 5:14 PM, Martin Brown wrote:

Basically the virus is already running wild in the USA but since normal
people cannot afford to get tested there are no good statistics at all.

And agent orange does not want them to be tested because he likes the
numbers as they are and not higher.

Reinhardt

Testing is free and widely available.

Calling BS on that. In Frederick, MD it was only the last few days the hospital announced they could do their own testing rather than sending it out which could take weeks. Even now they still have restrictions on who they will test. But they will take the swab outside the facility without you getting out of your car.

Woo hoo.

I got tested on Thursday--negative, fortunately. No shortages here.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com
 
On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 5:42:17 PM UTC-4, Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 2020-04-15 12:11, Ricky C wrote:
On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 9:42:26 AM UTC-4, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 4:50:59 AM UTC-4, Reinhardt Behm wrote:
On 3/16/20 5:14 PM, Martin Brown wrote:

Basically the virus is already running wild in the USA but since normal
people cannot afford to get tested there are no good statistics at all.

And agent orange does not want them to be tested because he likes the
numbers as they are and not higher.

Reinhardt

Testing is free and widely available.

Calling BS on that. In Frederick, MD it was only the last few days the hospital announced they could do their own testing rather than sending it out which could take weeks. Even now they still have restrictions on who they will test. But they will take the swab outside the facility without you getting out of your car.

Woo hoo.


I got tested on Thursday--negative, fortunately. No shortages here.

No symptoms, no exposure? They sure aren't doing that most places in the US.

--

Rick C.
+--+- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
+--+- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
 
On 2020-04-15 18:56, Ricky C wrote:
On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 5:42:17 PM UTC-4, Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 2020-04-15 12:11, Ricky C wrote:
On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 9:42:26 AM UTC-4, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 4:50:59 AM UTC-4, Reinhardt Behm wrote:
On 3/16/20 5:14 PM, Martin Brown wrote:

Basically the virus is already running wild in the USA but since normal
people cannot afford to get tested there are no good statistics at all.

And agent orange does not want them to be tested because he likes the
numbers as they are and not higher.

Reinhardt

Testing is free and widely available.

Calling BS on that. In Frederick, MD it was only the last few days the hospital announced they could do their own testing rather than sending it out which could take weeks. Even now they still have restrictions on who they will test. But they will take the swab outside the facility without you getting out of your car.

Woo hoo.


I got tested on Thursday--negative, fortunately. No shortages here.

No symptoms, no exposure? They sure aren't doing that most places in the US.

I was in for something else, and they did a CV test routinely. All's well.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com
 
On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 5:05:44 AM UTC+10, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 12:11:25 PM UTC-4, Ricky C wrote:
On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 9:42:26 AM UTC-4, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 4:50:59 AM UTC-4, Reinhardt Behm wrote:
On 3/16/20 5:14 PM, Martin Brown wrote:

Basically the virus is already running wild in the USA but since normal
people cannot afford to get tested there are no good statistics at all.

And agent orange does not want them to be tested because he likes the
numbers as they are and not higher.

Reinhardt

Testing is free and widely available.

Calling BS on that. In Frederick, MD it was only the last few days the hospital announced they could do their own testing rather than sending it out which could take weeks. Even now they still have restrictions on who they will test. But they will take the swab outside the facility without you getting out of your car.

Woo hoo.

I said testing was free and widely available. I didn't say everyone got
a dozen free instant virus breathalyzer kits dropped by their door.

It's a fake controversy.

It's not the controversy that is fake, but James Arthur's original claim, which just one more chunk of his right-wing political propaganda output.

"Let's make Trump Look Great Again".

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 6:43:36 PM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 5:05:44 AM UTC+10, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 12:11:25 PM UTC-4, Ricky C wrote:
On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 9:42:26 AM UTC-4, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 4:50:59 AM UTC-4, Reinhardt Behm wrote:
On 3/16/20 5:14 PM, Martin Brown wrote:

Basically the virus is already running wild in the USA but since normal
people cannot afford to get tested there are no good statistics at all.

And agent orange does not want them to be tested because he likes the
numbers as they are and not higher.

Reinhardt

Testing is free and widely available.

Calling BS on that. In Frederick, MD it was only the last few days the hospital announced they could do their own testing rather than sending it out which could take weeks. Even now they still have restrictions on who they will test. But they will take the swab outside the facility without you getting out of your car.

Woo hoo.

I said testing was free and widely available. I didn't say everyone got
a dozen free instant virus breathalyzer kits dropped by their door.

It's a fake controversy.

It's not the controversy that is fake, but James Arthur's original claim, which just one more chunk of his right-wing political propaganda output.

"Let's make Trump Look Great Again".

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

Another Slow Man libtard fantasy.
 
On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 3:11:35 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 6:43:36 PM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 5:05:44 AM UTC+10, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 12:11:25 PM UTC-4, Ricky C wrote:
On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 9:42:26 AM UTC-4, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 4:50:59 AM UTC-4, Reinhardt Behm wrote:
On 3/16/20 5:14 PM, Martin Brown wrote:

Basically the virus is already running wild in the USA but since normal
people cannot afford to get tested there are no good statistics at all.

And agent orange does not want them to be tested because he likes the
numbers as they are and not higher.

Reinhardt

Testing is free and widely available.

Calling BS on that. In Frederick, MD it was only the last few days the hospital announced they could do their own testing rather than sending it out which could take weeks. Even now they still have restrictions on who they will test. But they will take the swab outside the facility without you getting out of your car.

Woo hoo.

I said testing was free and widely available. I didn't say everyone got
a dozen free instant virus breathalyzer kits dropped by their door.

It's a fake controversy.

It's not the controversy that is fake, but James Arthur's original claim, which just one more chunk of his right-wing political propaganda output.

"Let's make Trump Look Great Again".

Another Sloman libtard fantasy.

Actually, the fantasy is all James Arthur's, and he's a brainwashed right-winger. Nowhere near as retarded as Flyguy, but equally addicted to his own set of irrational but politically useful delusions.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 

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