OT: Bush Thugs Rough Up Grieving Mother of KIA

Rich Grise · Sep 23, 2004

On Thursday 23 September 2004 09:19 am, John Woodgate did deign to grace us
with the following:

I read in sci.electronics.design that Rich Grise <null@example.net
wrote (in <qqB4d.8176$2A1.4083@trnddc08&gt about '[OT]: Ping Kevin
Aylward - re your "scientific paper"', on Thu, 23 Sep 2004:

Yes, and the sky is green - it's just a conspiracy that convinces
everybody that it's blue, when it's really not.

Then grass must be yellow, because it isn't normally the same colour as
the sky, even in Virginia.
--

That would be the color my lawn usually turns. ;-)

Rich Grise · Sep 23, 2004

On Thursday 23 September 2004 10:29 am, Tim Wescott did deign to grace us
with the following:

Michael Robbins wrote:

Thank you for responding.

I am quite familiar with basic EM. I was an engineer for a short
time, more than a decade ago. I don't remember that much but I am not
the novice you may have thought me to be.
....
The armature EMF will be the armature speed times the torque constant.
The armature current will be the armature EMF divided by the total
resistance (armature resistance in series with your external
resistance). The armature torque will be the armature torque from
friction (and that fan) plus current times the torque constant, which
works out to the armature speed times the torque constant squared times
the total resistance, or:

T_a = T_f + W_a * k_t^2 / (R_a + R_e)

where

T_a = armature torque,
T_f = frictional torque,
W_a = armature speed, in rad/sec,
k_t = alternator torque constant,
R_a = armature resistance,
R_e = external resistance.

Correcting all of this for an AC device instead of a DC motor is left as
an exercise for the reader, but I think you can safely lump it all into
k_t.

Awesome Answer.

In a nutshell, the power you generate on the treadmill gets turned into
heat by the resistor.

Lower the electrical resistance, and that increases the current by Ohm's
law, which increases the load, giving greater mechanical resistance.

Thanks!
Rich

John Woodgate · Sep 25, 2004

I read in sci.electronics.design that Robert Monsen
<rcsurname@comcast.net> wrote (in <Vqj5d.24338$He1.12972@attbi_s01&gt

about 'If Gore invented the Internet, what about John Kerry?', on Sat,
25 Sep 2004:

Spehro Pefhany wrote:
On 25 Sep 2004 11:08:41 -0700, jdurban@vorel.com (Product developer)
wrote:

resolar@hotmail.com (Renante Solar) wrote in message news:<656cd645.0409240553
.7bb434ae@posting.google.com>...

John Kerry has invented the ubiquitous JK flip-flop.

I miss the gaffs of Gore so I re-printed some of my favorites. And to
think how much they pick on Bush...

Does repeating lies make you feel better?

http://www.snopes.com/quotes/quayle.htm

Unfortunately, on the web, a lie is never eradicated. I'm guessing that
some right-wing webmaster decided to take these Quayle quotes and
atribute them to Gore during the 2000 election season, and its still
floating around rw circles. I'm suprised they haven't been attributed to
Kerry yet.

I have irrefutable evidence that they were spoken by James Garfield.

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John Larkin · Sep 28, 2004

On 28 Sep 2004 15:33:58 GMT, rolavine@aol.com (Rolavine) wrote:

If your not a Bush Supporter you are at least standing with them and mouthing
the same old lies they do. So you are one of them like it or not.

I am not one of any group. I watch and think, and often laugh.

You *do* enjoy getting worked up. But be careful: it's unhealthy in
the long term.

John

John Larkin · Sep 28, 2004

On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 16:46:10 +0100, John Woodgate
<jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote:

I'm sure the army of the Nation of Quebec will support the struggle
for Aztlan independence, if not with arms and troops at least by
sending day-old quiche and surplus pate for the guerrillas.

At hugely inflated prices, of course.

They are French after all.

Curiously, the division suggested in 'E Unus Pluribum' is not that
dissimilar to that forecast by one of the more prominent SF authors, but
I can't turn up the reference at this moment.

Really John, you are getting a little old to be reading Science
Fiction, or at least believing it.

John

John Woodgate · Sep 28, 2004

I read in sci.electronics.design that John Larkin <jjlarkin@highSNIPland
THIStechPLEASEnology.com> wrote (in <hs4jl0h28lvlj5s951pph90ehkniktuefm@
4ax.com&gt

about '[OT]: The not-so-democratic Democrats', on Tue, 28 Sep
2004:

Really John, you are getting a little old to be reading Science Fiction,
or at least believing it.

When Sir Arthur gets too old to write it, I'll stop reading it. Besides,
I read quite a lot of it here.

I didn't say I believed it, but, as I wrote recently, the SF authors are
our paid prophets. Like all prophets, they get it right sometimes; the
problem is we don't know it's right until it happens, or just before.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

YD · Sep 24, 2004

On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 00:05:12 GMT, mzenier@eskimo.com (Mark Zenier)
wrote:

In article <cishaf$bi1$2@blue.rahul.net>,
Ken Smith <kensmith@green.rahul.net> wrote:
In article <20040922135642.04433.00001196@mb-m05.aol.com>,
Rolavine <rolavine@aol.com> wrote:
[...]
Are you sure it would destroy the floppies, I dont' think so, I think it just
looks at them to check that you own them.

Windows95 demanded that the DOS floppy not be write protected and trashed
it so the DOS on it won't ever install again. I assume that ME would do
the same to the Win98 floppies and am not about to switch off the write
protect to find out.

Copies of Win98 install floppies will not install Win98. There is some
thing non-standard about the Win98 floppies.

Dig up a copy of Anadisk, a shareware DOS program from a dozen or so
years ago. It'll read and copy all sorts of strange stuff. I used it
to read Kaypro-4 diskettes, and used it to find out that the IBM Dos 6.1
Format program saves stuff on sector 128 track 81. If it can't clone
a DOS release disk, it'll probably tell you why. (You may have to dig
up an old computer to find one with a decent floppy controller, too).

If you google on it now, the site says they only sell it to valid law
enforcment or something strange like that, but it was in Simtel since
1992 or thereabouts and should be on CD-ROM collections of that archive.

People also use it to copy non-DOS disks for HP test equipment.

Mark Zenier mzenier@eskimo.com Washington State resident

Haven't tried it yet but I did find a d/l in
http://www.8bit-micro.com/anadisk.htm

- YD.

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Joerg · Sep 28, 2004

Hi Jim,

Ain't that the truth? PBS isn't even fit to watch anymore.

Sometimes it's ok. If you filter out some of the political agenda, that

is ;-)

Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com

Rich Grise · Sep 28, 2004

On Monday 27 September 2004 02:13 am, Guy Macon <http://www.guymacon.com>
did deign to grace us with the following:

BTW, I can go to the UK and produce a letter, sent by Recorded
Delivery and dated before the start of the season, that correctly
predicts the winner of the Rugby World Cup, No forgery, either.

OK, I give up. How?

Rich Grise · Sep 28, 2004

On Monday 27 September 2004 01:01 am, John Woodgate did deign to grace us
with the following:

I'll get to work on one today. I've got two notebooks made in the 1950s,
so the paper is the right age. Where can I get a fountain pen and some
old ink?

What do you suggest I claim to have invented in, say, 1956?
--
"Old" Ink.

Cheers!
Rich

Rich Grise · Sep 28, 2004

On Monday 27 September 2004 01:03 am, John Woodgate did deign to grace us
with the following:

I read in sci.electronics.design that Rich Grise <null@example.net
wrote (in <BJG5d.6333$me5.1089@trnddc06&gt about 'Patents, Prior Art,
Publication and Usenet.', on Sun, 26 Sep 2004:

No, it's been ruled in court that a self-addressed letter doesn't prove
anything.

For the fourth time, I think, WHY???
--
Because you can send it to yourself unsealed, and seal it any time

later.

HTH!
Rich

Jim Thompson · Sep 28, 2004

On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 17:15:29 GMT, Rich Grise <null@example.net> wrote:

On Monday 27 September 2004 02:13 am, Guy Macon <http://www.guymacon.com
did deign to grace us with the following:

BTW, I can go to the UK and produce a letter, sent by Recorded
Delivery and dated before the start of the season, that correctly
predicts the winner of the Rugby World Cup, No forgery, either.

OK, I give up. How?

480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax

Jim Thompson · Sep 28, 2004

On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 17:13:15 GMT, Joerg
<notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

Hi Jim,

Ain't that the truth? PBS isn't even fit to watch anymore.

Sometimes it's ok. If you filter out some of the political agenda, that
is ;-)

Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com

480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax

Guy Macon · Sep 28, 2004

Jim Thompson <thegreatone@example.com> says...

On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 17:15:29 GMT, Rich Grise <null@example.net> wrote:

On Monday 27 September 2004 02:13 am, Guy Macon <http://www.guymacon.com
did deign to grace us with the following:

BTW, I can go to the UK and produce a letter, sent by Recorded
Delivery and dated before the start of the season, that correctly
predicts the winner of the Rugby World Cup, No forgery, either.

OK, I give up. How?

Postage meter. That's why IRS won't accept metered postage as proof
of mailing before the deadline.

I can do it using any meter you choose, with as many witnesses seeing
me mail it as you wish. Like I said, no forgery. This means no
forged date either.

Guy Macon · Sep 28, 2004

Arie de Muynck <Sorry_I_hate_spam@nomail.com> says...

"Rich Grise" <null@example.net> wrote...

Guy Macon did deign to grace us with the following:

BTW, I can go to the UK and produce a letter, sent by Recorded
Delivery and dated before the start of the season, that correctly
predicts the winner of the Rugby World Cup, No forgery, either.

OK, I give up. How?

Send one letter for each contestant...

....and discard the ones that predict the wrong winner.

Kevin Aylward · Sep 24, 2004

Clarence wrote:

"Kevin Aylward" <salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk> wrote in message
news:nnv4d.63865$U04.14020@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
Clarence wrote:
"Mark Fergerson" <nunya@biz.ness> wrote in message
news:Zik4d.288182$Lj.82906@fed1read03...
Clarence wrote:

I made an assumption (about Kevin's possible analogization) and
deduced from there. If you choose to take offense at that on
others' behalf, go right ahead; I just don't care.

I should have known, your cut from the same cloth, you think you can
demand that others much jump through your hoop.
I expressed an opinion, and you object to any but your own.

No, you mean that you object to any but your own. Tyhat why you are
unable to rtespond to any of the valid point Mark made.

Well..... in the words
of someone on this NG "I just don't care."

Mark asked you to validate your claims. Obviously, this is beyond
you. It is you who are making the claims, so be prepared to support
them or retract them go away.

So this guy Fergy is YOUR surrogate. Or your brother. He said he
made an assumption, which I found to be invalid.

But your an uneducated bumpkin, so I doubt if you could find your way
home without asking for directions. You rational is worthless. This has
been proved many times.

You put him up to
it.

ROTFLMAO

Now its obvious to everyone that you suffer paranoid delusions.

He says, trying the tears from his eyes.

I made no "claims" I expressed MY opinions,

You made many cliams.

it is not necessary to do
more than acknowledge those opines are mine.

They were not opinions. They were simply words that your fingers typed
randomly.

That was implicit in
the statement. It is stated clearly in the original post.

But like yourself, he has no standing to make demands.

You have standing at all.

I didn't actually realise how far gone you were until you made the
comment of "putting Mark up to it". This is completely ludicrous. Get
some professional help.

Kevin Aylward
salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk
http://www.anasoft.co.uk
SuperSpice, a very affordable Mixed-Mode
Windows Simulator with Schematic Capture,
Waveform Display, FFT's and Filter Design.

Kevin Aylward · Sep 24, 2004

Paul Burridge wrote:

On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 01:55:15 +0200, "Frank Bemelman"
f.bemelmanx@xs4all.invalid.nl> wrote:

Perhaps you should read his material a dozen times. See what happens
If it was tough to write, it should be tough to understand too.
Like programming uncommented mazes, all alike

*plonk*

The ignorant removing all sources of remedy for that ignorance.

Kevin Aylward
salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk
http://www.anasoft.co.uk
SuperSpice, a very affordable Mixed-Mode
Windows Simulator with Schematic Capture,
Waveform Display, FFT's and Filter Design.

mike · Sep 28, 2004

Dirk Bruere at Neopax wrote:

Nick Toop wrote:

Hi,

I have a portable application for which I require 12V at 1A for 3 or 4
hours.
12V 4000mAH NiMh packs are readily available.
However, I want to be able to recharge the system quickly i.e. in about
15mins.
I do not want to change the battery pack.

The datasheet for the Maxim MAX712 or MAX713 appears to imply that the
fastest acceptable charge rate is 4C which for the above battery pack
would
mean 1 hour

It occurs to me to use 4 x 12V 1000mAH NiMh packs with individual
chargers
(15mins charging).

There are a bunch of issues here.
As already stated, C is 4A for your 4AH pack.
You probably can't get 1A for 4hrs out of a 4AH pack. The capacity
is often stated at a MUCH slower discharge rate.
You can't charge NiMH batteries in parallel. You can split the parallel
chains and charge the chains simultaneously, but not in parallel.
One chain will hog the current and the whole thing will blow up.
Charging batteries in 15 minutes is a recipe for cell failure...no
matter how you split up the cells. Cells are designed differently for
different applications. Typically, fast charge cells have much lower
capacity. Yes, we're starting to see 15 minute charge AA cells in the
stores. We'll see how that goes...I wouldn't bet anything important
on it.
mike

There then appear to be 4 ways I might use them.

1) Run the 4 packs in parallel...this makes me feel uneasy..there
might be
large current flows between the packs after (partial) charging
2) Put the 4 packs in series (48V) and use a smpsu to generate 12V.
3) Switch between the packs on a regular basis i.e. every 5 minutes
4) Use one pack but monitor its activity and switch to next best pack
when
it starts failing etc: (a bit complicated at the end)

Obviously 1) is the simplest but is it likely to give problems?

I am inclined to 2).

Is there a 5), 6)....?

Use serially and charge in parallel?

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John Woodgate · Sep 28, 2004

I read in sci.electronics.design that Jim Thompson
<thegreatone@example.com> wrote (in <e9djl09vhm8qdhfbg6jtu8ji3rigiddtco@
4ax.com&gt

about 'Patents, Prior Art, Publication and Usenet.', on Tue,
28 Sep 2004:

I once went round and round with an examiner who wouldn't allow one of
my claims. I finally wrote back "You're just to stupid to understand."

He allowed the claim ;-)

Name of Einstein?
--
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The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

John Woodgate · Sep 28, 2004

I read in sci.electronics.design that Jim Thompson
<thegreatone@example.com> wrote (in <niejl0p7n9c9bsl6702gd81nqqdf24jss5@
4ax.com&gt

about 'Patents, Prior Art, Publication and Usenet.', on Tue,
28 Sep 2004:

This was around 1980. When did Einstein die ?

She is still alive. (;-)
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
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