OT: An Appeal by everyone's favourite eco-loon, Greta Thunbe

[Phil Allison]

Some Witless FUCKWIT called whit3rd wrote:
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Without the computer, the complexity of a world-climate model is
intractible.

** Ya don't say - Mr Imbecile.

With a computer, it's possible,

** So fucking what ?

FFS you are about as sharp as a bowling ball.

Does mummy still take you hand when you cross the road?

Wipe your arse for you too ?



....... Phil

 

[whit3rd]

On Monday, November 4, 2019 at 9:43:35 PM UTC-8, Phil Allison wrote:

> Climate Science is a misnomer, just means playing about in the dark with dodgy computer models created by code scribblers.

Without the computer, the complexity of a world-climate model is
intractible. With a computer, it's possible, and useful.

But, it's a useful tool for experts; it's no use TO YOU.
The prospect of you trying to handle a climate model, really WOULD be playing in the dark.
And you'd blame the tool. In fact, you skipped the trial phase, just went straight to
that conclusion without collecting any data at all.

 

[whit3rd]

On Monday, November 4, 2019 at 11:29:51 PM UTC-8, Phil Allison wrote:

FFS you are about as sharp as a bowling ball.

A sport reference...

> Does mummy still take you hand when you cross the road?

and some familiarity with highway safety

> Wipe your arse for you too ?

and a concern for personal hygiene

but nothing at all about climate change and Greta Thunberg? Good, it's
best not to comment on subjects beyond your grasp.

 

[bitrex]

On 11/5/19 12:43 AM, Phil Allison wrote:

bitrex wrote:

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to claim there are no credible climate models means one would have to
describe what a "credible" one would be like.


** No way to tell merely by looking at one.

Predictive models have to make lots of *accurate* predictions before you can have any faith in them. That is how real science works.

Climate Science is a misnomer, just means playing about in the dark with dodgy computer models created by code scribblers.

None of whom can lay claim to fully understand weather or if humans can possibility take control over it.

Total news to a brain dead, four toed pig like you.


.... Phil

The executive summary of what I wrote is that you have this idea of what
the ironclad rules of "real science" are seemingly unaware that "real
science" breaks those rules constantly, and always has.

Seems mad to focus on this particular example with exclusivity when
there are so many others. Einstein definitely didn't wait until all the
experimental evidence was in confirming the predictions of general
relativity before he began running the ball with it, extrapolating it
out and making further predictions in faith that his model was at that
time the best representation of reality.

 

[bitrex]

On 11/5/19 12:43 AM, Phil Allison wrote:

bitrex wrote:

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to claim there are no credible climate models means one would have to
describe what a "credible" one would be like.


** No way to tell merely by looking at one.

Predictive models have to make lots of *accurate* predictions before you can have any faith in them. That is how real science works.

It's a qualification that then puts systems which operate over long
timescales where you only have one example to study, such as the climate
of a habitable planet, outside the realm of scientific inquiry a priori.
But there's no philosophical reason it should be, it's a real system
governed by real-world physical laws no different than the rise and fall
of the tides and apples falling from trees.

It would be _inconvenient_ if there were only one apple tree in the
world to study and then try to predict its behavior and life-cycle from
only that one example, but it's not the same as asking how many angels
can dance on the head of a pin.

Nature has made all sorts of things inconvenient for scientific study
like e.g. the whole pro-life vs. pro-choice debate - a single cell 1
second after conception doesn't make much sense to define as a person,
it's clearly just a single cell. but a baby 1 second before birth is
surely a person. That implies that there must have been a particular
instant of time when it transitioned from not-person to person. Which is
absurd and very inconvenient but Nature does its thing and doesn't
"care" at all.

Nature doesn't care at all how humans classify anything or that science
can't even come up with a set of universal characteristics that
unambiguously define what "life" even is that everyone can agree on.
"Real Science" doesn't even know what life is, or how to define it, much
beyond "you know it when you see it."

It's definitely inconvenient there's only one Earth's climate to study.
Nature doesn't give a fuck what's convenient for humans but it's not in
human's or science's nature to just throw up their hands and say "I dunno."

Climate Science is a misnomer, just means playing about in the dark with dodgy computer models created by code scribblers.

None of whom can lay claim to fully understand weather or if humans can possibility take control over it.

Total news to a brain dead, four toed pig like you.


.... Phil

Who said anything about "taking control" over weather? Sounds like
science fiction.

 

[Phil Allison]

bitrex the lone wolf psychopath howled:

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Who said anything about "taking control" over weather? Sounds like
science fiction.

** ROTFL !!!!!!!!!!!

In one small breath, this pathetic result of a traumatic childhood and now a life long piece of damaged goods just dribbled a bib full.

Controlling the weather is the very notion underpinning calls for international action to mitigate the alleged AGW disaster heading our way some time soon.

That is what we are being told we must now find a way to do.

Mark Twain had the right idea about 150 years ago when addressing many public gatherings of folk happy to pay to hear him speak.

He would sometimes ask the meeting a simple question:

" Tell me, why is it, that while everybody is always complaining about the weather - no-body ever DOES anything about it ? "



..... Phil

 

[Michael Terrell]

On Monday, November 4, 2019 at 7:49:04 AM UTC-5, blo...@columbus.rr.com wrote:

On Sunday, November 3, 2019 at 1:27:05 AM UTC-4, Phil Allison wrote:

** Using a sick kid as your spokesperson and public mascot is sickening..

I completely agree. She is being set up. She probably thinks she has special gifts which have elevated her to great prominence, when in reality she is a useful idiot. I hope that she can properly process this when the day comes that she is spent fuel and is no longer needed and nobody cares about her opinions anymore.

Another David Hogg.

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Tuesday, November 5, 2019 at 11:44:24 PM UTC+11, Michael Terrell wrote:

On Monday, November 4, 2019 at 7:49:04 AM UTC-5, blo...@columbus.rr.com wrote:
On Sunday, November 3, 2019 at 1:27:05 AM UTC-4, Phil Allison wrote:

** Using a sick kid as your spokesperson and public mascot is sickening.

<snipped more of the same kind of nonsense>

> Another David Hogg.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Hogg_(activist)

Greta Thurnberg has yet to claim that anybody has tried to kill her. The quality of the patronising abuse that is being served up here is pretty revolting, but David Hogg seems to have had to put up with worse. Jamie Allman ended up having to resign from his job as a TV host after writing a particularly disgusting tweet.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Tuesday, November 5, 2019 at 10:40:04 PM UTC+11, Phil Allison wrote:

bitrex wrote:

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Who said anything about "taking control" over weather? Sounds like
science fiction.



** ROTFL !!!!!!!!!!!

In one small breath, this pathetic result of a traumatic childhood and now a life long piece of damaged goods just dribbled a bib full.

Controlling the weather is the very notion underpinning calls for international action to mitigate the alleged AGW disaster heading our way some time soon.

Phil hasn't worked out that controlling the weather is a day-to-day activity, and controlling climate involves getting the year-on-year averages back to where they used to be.

It's the same mistake that John Larkin makes.

The amount of CO2 in the atmosphere does make a difference to the weather, primarily by making everything a little warmer if there's more of it about, and getting it back to to where it has been for most of this inter-glacial would mean that we'd have fewer extreme weather events, and those that ewwe had would be less extreme, but that's "control" only in the broadest possible sense.

> That is what we are being told we must now find a way to do.

We know exactly what we have to do - burn less fossil carbon as fuel, and capture as much as possilbe of the CO2 produced before it can get into the atmosphere.

The easy way of getting there would be use less energy, but getting energy in other ways than burning fossil carbon would let us sustain our current life-style and population, and that's what's actually happening, if not as fast as Greta Thurnberg would like. She's probably right.

Mark Twain had the right idea about 150 years ago when addressing many public gatherings of folk happy to pay to hear him speak.

He would sometimes ask the meeting a simple question:

" Tell me, why is it, that while everybody is always complaining about the weather - no-body ever DOES anything about it ? "

It turns out that they were doing something about it (though not all that much at the time). It took better science than they had back then to detect the changes we've managed to make by burning a lot more fossil carbon every year than they ever did.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svante_Arrhenius

who was twenty years younger than Mark Twain - had worked out how anthropogenic global warming had to work before Mark Twain had died (in 1910) but the experimental techniques that could prove he was right took quite a while to develop to the point where they could do the job.

https://history.aip.org/climate/timeline.htm

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

On Sat, 2 Nov 2019 22:28:25 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
<curd@notformail.com> wrote:

If you see a young girl hitch-hiking and you happen to be passing in your
electric vehicle, please stop and give her a lift:

https://tinyurl.com/y36etrlh

Since this thread is OT, this is fun:

https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2019/11/04/victor-davis-hanson-universities-breed-woke-and-broke-graduates/

"All that pretty much sums up the profile of Antifa, Black Lives
Matter, and Occupy Wall Street adherents — or the
environmental-studies major who is shocked that a skilled electrician
makes three times more than he does."

I did find this on the table at a cafe, one of my favorite souveniers:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/t8dsl88uvf4jcyl/OWS_1.JPG?raw=1




--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

lunatic fringe electronics

 

[bitrex]

On 11/5/19 6:39 AM, Phil Allison wrote:

bitrex the lone wolf psychopath howled:

-------------------------------------


Who said anything about "taking control" over weather? Sounds like
science fiction.



** ROTFL !!!!!!!!!!!

In one small breath, this pathetic result of a traumatic childhood and now a life long piece of damaged goods just dribbled a bib full.

Controlling the weather is the very notion underpinning calls for international action to mitigate the alleged AGW disaster heading our way some time soon.

That is what we are being told we must now find a way to do.

Mark Twain had the right idea about 150 years ago when addressing many public gatherings of folk happy to pay to hear him speak.

He would sometimes ask the meeting a simple question:

" Tell me, why is it, that while everybody is always complaining about the weather - no-body ever DOES anything about it ? "



.... Phil

Do sea levels rising and flooding out all the coastal cities of the
world count as fucking "weather" where you come from??

 

[bitrex]

On 11/5/19 3:36 PM, tabbypurr@gmail.com wrote:

On Monday, 4 November 2019 13:48:53 UTC, Bill Sloman wrote:

Here's text of Greta Thurnberg's speech to the UN

https://www.npr.org/2019/09/23/763452863/transcript-greta-thunbergs-speech-at-the-u-n-climate-action-summit

Let's see Phil Alliosn or NT produce a line by line analysis that picks out any deviation from scientific orthodoxy.

Lol, someone else can waste their time on her rubbish if they want. And Bill's predictable ensuing bs.

She is clearly manipulated by the greenwash movement, but it's just as much a chance for her to make a career out of it. It's not one sided.

People will soon tire of her current antics, but if wise she will learn & transition to a more fact (or at least plausible claim) based approach. Whether she has the sense & sanity to do that is open to question.


NT

When an American over the age of 30 tells you "I just want what's best
for you" there's a high probability they don't, in fact, want what's
best for you.

I think someone said something to that effect one time.

 

On Tuesday, 5 November 2019 00:15:18 UTC, Bill Sloman wrote:

On Tuesday, November 5, 2019 at 10:10:59 AM UTC+11, Phil Allison wrote:

While she is a sick kid, public sympathy goes her way.

She may have Aspberger's syndrome, but she doesn't look - or act - like any kind of sick kid. The public image I've seen is remarkably self-possessed.

Her whole act is a demonstration of her mental health issues.

ICBA to read the rest.

 

[bitrex]

On 11/5/19 3:37 PM, bitrex wrote:

Conversely what in the world would make you think every trade union
member, electrician or plumber out there would have some bond of
brotherhood with you, or think your hoity-toity San Francisco
academic-degree scientist-man job designing machines of inscrutable
purpose to do inscrutable tasks for other science/academics was worth
more than the shit on a dog's shoe?

Heh that wasn't what I meant to type but I kinda like it. Dog shit on
dog shoes.

 

On Monday, 4 November 2019 23:17:05 UTC, whit3rd wrote:

On Monday, November 4, 2019 at 4:49:04 AM UTC-8, blo...@columbus.rr.com wrote:

... She probably thinks she has special gifts which have elevated her to great prominence, when in reality she is a useful idiot.

Why do YOU care what 'she probably thinks'; that's a cheap attack, a cowardly bit of
character assassination.

I hope that she can properly process this when the day comes that she is spent fuel and is no longer needed and nobody cares about her opinions anymore.

A smile and some encouragement would be a more appropriate attitude. She deserves a
bright future.

No, it takes a good grasp of a subject, determination & focussed work to get a bright future. She shows no trace of the first of those.


NT

 

[bitrex]

On 11/5/19 3:16 PM, John Larkin wrote:

On Tue, 5 Nov 2019 14:58:38 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 11/5/19 11:44 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sat, 2 Nov 2019 22:28:25 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
curd@notformail.com> wrote:

If you see a young girl hitch-hiking and you happen to be passing in your
electric vehicle, please stop and give her a lift:

https://tinyurl.com/y36etrlh


Since this thread is OT, this is fun:

https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2019/11/04/victor-davis-hanson-universities-breed-woke-and-broke-graduates/

"All that pretty much sums up the profile of Antifa, Black Lives
Matter, and Occupy Wall Street adherents — or the
environmental-studies major who is shocked that a skilled electrician
makes three times more than he does."

I did find this on the table at a cafe, one of my favorite souveniers:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/t8dsl88uvf4jcyl/OWS_1.JPG?raw=1




Imagine living in the United States of America, taking a photo of
students protesting fascism, using that as the cover photo and then
bitching that that students don't use their education effectively and
should become electricians, instead.

He wasn't bitching at the students with fuzzy worthless degrees, he
was laughing at them.

There's no more worthless profession than being a paid-for right-wing
pundit, hookers have a more respectable job.

The trade unions, like the electricians (and the elevator-repair-guy
union, just next door to us) have internal quality standards (and
damned fine BBQ). Few of the woke grads would make it past apprentice.

Conversely what in the world would make you think every trade union
member, electrician or plumber out there would have some bond of
brotherhood with you, or think your hoity-toity San Francisco
academic-degree scientist-man job designing machines of inscrutable
purpose to do inscrutable tasks for other science/academics was worth
more than the shit on a dog's shoe?

Try telling a plumber all about your job and the elegance of the LM1117
low dropout voltage regulator or the TL431 or something and see how fast
they tune out.

The fascists at Breitbart and elsewhere shouldn't be worried about what
profession the kids these days are or aren't going into. The fascists
are going to fucking die! "the kids these days" are going to burn the
boomer's whole white supremacist world to the ground, and them with it.

Peace, love, freedom, happiness.

Put about a dozen farmers or a dozen electricians into a pitched
battle with a like number of woke college grads, and see who walks
away.

There won't be any "pitched battles" the only thing wingnuts and
Trumpets know how to do is shoot up synagogues and gun down children in
schools and Mexicans in Wal Marts.

One shoot-everything-that-moves massacre of civilians large enough by
some fuckhead in a MAGA hat and video of him putting rounds into
children while he shouts Trump's name to the heavens and nobody will
ever dare step outside in pubic in one again.

What's your degree?

Liberal arts. The most important skill you learn at college is how to
COMMUNICATE. And I do enjoy our chats

 

On Monday, 4 November 2019 13:48:53 UTC, Bill Sloman wrote:

Here's text of Greta Thurnberg's speech to the UN

https://www.npr.org/2019/09/23/763452863/transcript-greta-thunbergs-speech-at-the-u-n-climate-action-summit

Let's see Phil Alliosn or NT produce a line by line analysis that picks out any deviation from scientific orthodoxy.

Lol, someone else can waste their time on her rubbish if they want. And Bill's predictable ensuing bs.

She is clearly manipulated by the greenwash movement, but it's just as much a chance for her to make a career out of it. It's not one sided.

People will soon tire of her current antics, but if wise she will learn & transition to a more fact (or at least plausible claim) based approach. Whether she has the sense & sanity to do that is open to question.


NT

 

[bitrex]

On 11/5/19 11:44 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Sat, 2 Nov 2019 22:28:25 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
curd@notformail.com> wrote:

If you see a young girl hitch-hiking and you happen to be passing in your
electric vehicle, please stop and give her a lift:

https://tinyurl.com/y36etrlh


Since this thread is OT, this is fun:

https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2019/11/04/victor-davis-hanson-universities-breed-woke-and-broke-graduates/

"All that pretty much sums up the profile of Antifa, Black Lives
Matter, and Occupy Wall Street adherents — or the
environmental-studies major who is shocked that a skilled electrician
makes three times more than he does."

I did find this on the table at a cafe, one of my favorite souveniers:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/t8dsl88uvf4jcyl/OWS_1.JPG?raw=1

I have no doubt the Trumpets will eventually end up openly calling
themselves fascist just out of spite for the left, in the way they
appropriated the name "deplorable."

In a final act of true, true stupidity.

 

[John Larkin]

On Tue, 5 Nov 2019 14:58:38 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 11/5/19 11:44 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sat, 2 Nov 2019 22:28:25 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
curd@notformail.com> wrote:

If you see a young girl hitch-hiking and you happen to be passing in your
electric vehicle, please stop and give her a lift:

https://tinyurl.com/y36etrlh


Since this thread is OT, this is fun:

https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2019/11/04/victor-davis-hanson-universities-breed-woke-and-broke-graduates/

"All that pretty much sums up the profile of Antifa, Black Lives
Matter, and Occupy Wall Street adherents — or the
environmental-studies major who is shocked that a skilled electrician
makes three times more than he does."

I did find this on the table at a cafe, one of my favorite souveniers:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/t8dsl88uvf4jcyl/OWS_1.JPG?raw=1




Imagine living in the United States of America, taking a photo of
students protesting fascism, using that as the cover photo and then
bitching that that students don't use their education effectively and
should become electricians, instead.

He wasn't bitching at the students with fuzzy worthless degrees, he
was laughing at them.

The trade unions, like the electricians (and the elevator-repair-guy
union, just next door to us) have internal quality standards (and
damned fine BBQ). Few of the woke grads would make it past apprentice.

The fascists at Breitbart and elsewhere shouldn't be worried about what
profession the kids these days are or aren't going into. The fascists
are going to fucking die! "the kids these days" are going to burn the
boomer's whole white supremacist world to the ground, and them with it.

Peace, love, freedom, happiness.

Put about a dozen farmers or a dozen electricians into a pitched
battle with a like number of woke college grads, and see who walks
away.

What's your degree?


--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc
picosecond timing precision measurement

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com

 

[bitrex]

On 11/5/19 11:44 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Sat, 2 Nov 2019 22:28:25 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
curd@notformail.com> wrote:

If you see a young girl hitch-hiking and you happen to be passing in your
electric vehicle, please stop and give her a lift:

https://tinyurl.com/y36etrlh


Since this thread is OT, this is fun:

https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2019/11/04/victor-davis-hanson-universities-breed-woke-and-broke-graduates/

"All that pretty much sums up the profile of Antifa, Black Lives
Matter, and Occupy Wall Street adherents — or the
environmental-studies major who is shocked that a skilled electrician
makes three times more than he does."

I did find this on the table at a cafe, one of my favorite souveniers:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/t8dsl88uvf4jcyl/OWS_1.JPG?raw=1

Imagine living in the United States of America, taking a photo of
students protesting fascism, using that as the cover photo and then
bitching that that students don't use their education effectively and
should become electricians, instead.

The fascists at Breitbart and elsewhere shouldn't be worried about what
profession the kids these days are or aren't going into. The fascists
are going to fucking die! "the kids these days" are going to burn the
boomer's whole white supremacist world to the ground, and them with it.