OT: An Appeal by everyone's favourite eco-loon, Greta Thunbe

[Michael Terrell]

On Sunday, November 10, 2019 at 8:48:19 AM UTC-5, Cursitor Doom wrote:

On Sat, 09 Nov 2019 16:30:14 -0800, Michael Terrell wrote:

Do you know of any that isn't based on greed?

Sadism?

Isn't that the desire to take away something from another person, or group?

 

[Cursitor Doom]

On Sun, 10 Nov 2019 07:22:34 -0800, Michael Terrell wrote:

On Sunday, November 10, 2019 at 8:48:19 AM UTC-5, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sat, 09 Nov 2019 16:30:14 -0800, Michael Terrell wrote:

Do you know of any that isn't based on greed?

Sadism?

Isn't that the desire to take away something from another person, or
group?

Your original quote was from the King James version of the Bible:

"1 Timothy 6:10 KJV - For the love of money is the root of all evil: which
while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced
themselves through with."

Which clearly confines the issue to money and more specifically, the
*love of money*. Both Tabbs and myself feel this definition is too
parochial. There is a good example of why this is so in the cases of
notorious serial killers like Ted Bundy in the US and couples like Fred &
Rose West and Myra Hindley & Ian Bradey in the UK. These people are
undeniably deeply evil by any measure, yet their motivations do not arise
from money or the love of money in *any* way. Ergo, the biblical quote IMV
falls well short of a complete definition of "the root of all evil."



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[whit3rd]

On Sunday, November 10, 2019 at 5:55:20 AM UTC-8, Cursitor Doom wrote:

On Sat, 09 Nov 2019 19:32:24 -0800, whit3rd wrote:

Oh, that's normal; an irrational individual will usually flee the
subject if his delusion is held up for examination. It's called
'fugue'. First it was the 'evidence is hard' excuse, now it's
'arguments are pointless';

"Arguments are pointless" - yes indeed they are - when your opponent is
one Bill Sloman.

Also, when your arguments are fallacies. Why does 'opponent' matter,
if they are NOT fallacies? The audience will judge correctly, will they not?
That's a silly objection, almost as if you're trying to flee the subject of
the discussion (or a delusion, as in fugue).

the reference to Hitler is a step or two away.

???

Godwin's Law relates to a discussion with excess heat and no valid
factual or logical skeleton. It means that the responses are scattered so
broadly that they go to an emotional powderkeg regardless of relevance to
the original theme.

This whole discussion is about a few sentences, by a teenager from Europe,
spoken in North America, and commented on (unfavorably, and in elliptic language)
by an Oceanean. You'd have a hard time explaining how that relates to the
provocative 'arguments are pointless' claim.

 

[whit3rd]

On Sunday, November 10, 2019 at 5:52:25 AM UTC-8, Cursitor Doom wrote:

On Sat, 09 Nov 2019 19:48:29 -0800, whit3rd wrote:

Good thing I've got a long-ish memory, your lack of a repeat of the
citation would have fooled folk if I hadn't recalled it.

Your "long-ish memory" appears highly selective. I wasn't referring to a
snippet from an old book.

Denial, we can all see, but you aren't referring to ANYTHING. Reference of
that sort is always to be ignored, if not rejected.

 

[Phil Allison]

Some Witless Fuckwit called whit3rd wrote:

------------------------------------

"Arguments are pointless" - yes indeed they are - when your opponent is
one Bill Sloman.

Also, when your arguments are fallacies.

** ROTFL.

> Why does 'opponent' matter,

** They always matter.

The audience will judge correctly, will they not?

** Simplistic, immature nonsense.

We have a silent audience here.


EG:

1. A perfectly fair and correct idea goes up.

2. 49 folk read it and pass on.

3. One idiot thinks he see a mistake and attacks the post.

4. The OP trys to defend.

5. Idiot number 2 piles on with another wrong idea.

6. The invisible audience loses interest.



...... Phil

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Monday, November 11, 2019 at 2:22:40 AM UTC+11, Michael Terrell wrote:

On Sunday, November 10, 2019 at 8:48:19 AM UTC-5, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sat, 09 Nov 2019 16:30:14 -0800, Michael Terrell wrote:

Do you know of any that isn't based on greed?

Sadism?

Isn't that the desire to take away something from another person, or group?

Technically speaking, no - the sadist gives them something - discomfort - because the sadist gets satisfaction out of seeing other people being uncomfortable. As a sin it comes under lust.

The fact that there seven deadly sins does suggest that greed isn't the only vice worth worrying about.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_deadly_sins

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[whit3rd]

On Sunday, November 10, 2019 at 4:02:40 PM UTC-8, Phil Allison wrote:

...whit3rd wrote:

Cursitor Doom wrote:

"Arguments are pointless" - yes indeed they are - when your opponent is
one Bill Sloman.

Also, when your arguments are fallacies.

Why does 'opponent' matter,

** They always matter.

Nonsense. Every mathematical proof is an argument, and if there's an opponent to
one, I've never heard of him/her. Explain what you really mean, that short
sentence is much too ambigous to be what you are really thinking.

The audience will judge correctly, will they not?

> 1. A perfectly fair and correct idea goes up.

Check, Greta Thunberg's comments are online...

2. 49 folk read it and pass on.

3. One idiot thinks he see a mistake and attacks the post.

Yeah, that was Phil.

> 4. The OP trys to defend.

No, a bystander who doesn't like character assassination or slurs agaist
scientists, not Greta, was the defender.

> 5. Idiot number 2 piles on with another wrong idea.

Who WAS that? Phil, first offender; ??, second offender.

6. The invisible audience loses interest.

Millions to billions of folk are suffering from climate change, there's quite a few that care.
That's where Greta gets her audience. They aren't gone, you'd know that
if you were paying attention. Not gone, not invisible, and their interest will span lifetimes.

 

[Jasen Betts]

On 2019-11-10, Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> wrote:

On Sat, 09 Nov 2019 16:30:14 -0800, Michael Terrell wrote:

Do you know of any that isn't based on greed?

Sadism?

Not evil per se: It is only evil if the other participant is
unwilling.

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When I tried casting out nines I made a hash of it.

 

On Sunday, 10 November 2019 00:30:20 UTC, Michael Terrell wrote:

On Saturday, November 9, 2019 at 2:29:00 PM UTC-5, tabby wrote:
On Saturday, 9 November 2019 06:41:36 UTC, Michael Terrell wrote:
On Friday, November 8, 2019 at 8:37:20 PM UTC-5, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:

"idleness (an idle mind) is the root of all evil"

or something...

1 Timothy 6:10 KJV - For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with.

Is that in fact the only source of evil?

Do you know of any that isn't based on greed?

Plenty. As well as evil from chasing money there's evil from chasing sex, social position & prestige, power over others, ego, not giving a damn (due to self centredness) & lack of awareness. Then there's evil from refusing to admit when an accusation was wrong. And evil that results from being misinformed. Then there's wrongly blaming others. I daresay there are more.


NT

 

On Saturday, 9 November 2019 22:06:57 UTC, Cursitor Doom wrote:

I've got better things to do than waste my
valuable time on this pair of fools.

Quite, re Slow man. FWIW. Win is very different to the slow one.

 

On Monday, 11 November 2019 07:31:00 UTC, Jasen Betts wrote:

On 2019-11-10, Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 09 Nov 2019 16:30:14 -0800, Michael Terrell wrote:

Do you know of any that isn't based on greed?

Sadism?

Not evil per se: It is only evil if the other participant is
unwilling.

Even when willing they still suffer.

NT

 

On Sunday, 10 November 2019 19:14:04 UTC, Cursitor Doom wrote:

On Sun, 10 Nov 2019 07:22:34 -0800, Michael Terrell wrote:
On Sunday, November 10, 2019 at 8:48:19 AM UTC-5, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sat, 09 Nov 2019 16:30:14 -0800, Michael Terrell wrote:

Do you know of any that isn't based on greed?

Sadism?

Isn't that the desire to take away something from another person, or
group?

Your original quote was from the King James version of the Bible:

"1 Timothy 6:10 KJV - For the love of money is the root of all evil: which
while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced
themselves through with."

Which clearly confines the issue to money and more specifically, the
*love of money*. Both Tabbs and myself feel this definition is too
parochial. There is a good example of why this is so in the cases of
notorious serial killers like Ted Bundy in the US and couples like Fred &
Rose West and Myra Hindley & Ian Bradey in the UK. These people are
undeniably deeply evil by any measure, yet their motivations do not arise
from money or the love of money in *any* way. Ergo, the biblical quote IMV
falls well short of a complete definition of "the root of all evil."

There's also a problem with the phrase 'love of money.' Expending plenty of effort to make profit is all well & good, and has made modern life what it is. It's putting profit ahead of others' survival that's the big problem, and 'love of money' entirely fails to distinguish between the 2.


NT

 

[Chris]

On 11/03/19 04:15, Bill Sloman wrote:

On Sunday, November 3, 2019 at 9:28:28 AM UTC+11, Cursitor Doom wrote:
If you see a young girl hitch-hiking and you happen to be passing in your
electric vehicle, please stop and give her a lift:

https://tinyurl.com/y36etrlh

Nothing lunatic about her ideas, even if Cursitor Doom doesn't know enough to realise it. She's got a lot of publicity for them, which illustrates appreciable competence.

If she mentioned the name Cursitor Doom, very few people would be able to place him. It should be even fewer, but he is a self-publicising idiot, known for being even more ill-informed than the average right-wing lunatic, in as far as he is known at all.

You realise of course that XR have been funded by Soros and have had
200,000 ukp from the man that is trying to buy Heathrow airport,
so what's the angle, idealism ?.

Just follow the money as usual. The spivs have worked out a way to
make billions out of this scam, even witout the carbon credit
trading scheme.

XR, a death cult with no hope or redemption, with a child messiah for
a figurehead. Couldn't write a script for it..

Chris

 

[whit3rd]

On Wednesday, November 13, 2019 at 5:37:10 AM UTC-8, Chris wrote:

On 11/03/19 04:15, Bill Sloman wrote:

Nothing lunatic about her ideas, even if Cursitor Doom doesn't know enough to realise it. She's got a lot of publicity for them, which illustrates appreciable competence.

You realise of course that XR have been funded by Soros and have had
200,000 ukp from the man that is trying to buy Heathrow airport,
so what's the angle, idealism ?.

Oh, so one of the appreciative audience chips in? Yeah, sounds like
idealism. A contribution from someone who hasn't taken a vow of poverty,
and dabbles in real estate.

Just follow the money as usual. The spivs have worked out a way to
make billions out of this scam...

?? what does 'spiv' mean? And, what scam are you referring to?
For that matter, what is XR? It sounds a lot like a chain of
reasoning, but with a few dozen missing links.

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Thursday, November 14, 2019 at 12:37:10 AM UTC+11, Chris wrote:

On 11/03/19 04:15, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Sunday, November 3, 2019 at 9:28:28 AM UTC+11, Cursitor Doom wrote:
If you see a young girl hitch-hiking and you happen to be passing in your
electric vehicle, please stop and give her a lift:

https://tinyurl.com/y36etrlh

Nothing lunatic about her ideas, even if Cursitor Doom doesn't know enough to realise it. She's got a lot of publicity for them, which illustrates appreciable competence.

If she mentioned the name Cursitor Doom, very few people would be able to place him. It should be even fewer, but he is a self-publicising idiot, known for being even more ill-informed than the average right-wing lunatic, in as far as he is known at all.


You realise of course that XR have been funded by Soros and have had
200,000 ukp from the man that is trying to buy Heathrow airport,
so what's the angle, idealism?

George Soros does seem to be amn idealist(when he isn't busy making money)

Just follow the money as usual. The spivs have worked out a way to
make billions out of this scam, even without the carbon credit
trading scheme.

Sadly for any reputation of good judgement that you might once have had, anthropogenic global warming isn't any kind of scam. The climate change denial propaganda machine (which is a scam, intended to keep up the incomes of people making moneny out of digging up fossil carbon for as long as possible) does make the claim, but their propaganda is aimed a gullible idiots like you and Cursiotr Doom (and John Larkin).

XR, a death cult with no hope or redemption, with a child messiah for
a figurehead. Couldn't write a script for it..

One has to wonder what makes Extinction Rebellion a death cult.

Anthropogenic global warming - allowed to continue unchecked - would eventually lead to the occasional human population crash in more vulnerable countries.

Doing something to slow down anthropogenic global warming could avert or delay that kind of loss of life.

The sort of denialist twaddle that you seem to latched onto seems to imagine that the only way we could reduce CO2 emissions would be by using less energy. This does rather ignore the potential - now being exploited with some enthusiasm - to generate energy from solar cells and windmills.

The power they generate isn't any more expensive that than generated by burning fossil carbon, and the unit price of solar cells should halve again as they go from generating 1.5%of our electricity to 15%.

We are going to need more pumped storage and lot more grid scale batteries by then, but halving the cost of electricity covers an aweful lot of that kind of expense.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Cursitor Doom]

On Wed, 13 Nov 2019 11:37:58 -0800, whit3rd wrote:

?? what does 'spiv' mean? And, what scam are you referring to?
For that matter, what is XR? It sounds a lot like a chain of
reasoning, but with a few dozen missing links.

Woosh!



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[Cursitor Doom]

On Tue, 12 Nov 2019 19:16:01 -0800, tabbypurr wrote:

On Saturday, 9 November 2019 22:06:57 UTC, Cursitor Doom wrote:

I've got better things to do than waste my valuable time on this pair
of fools.

Quite, re Slow man. FWIW. Win is very different to the slow one.

Totally. Win's been nothing but courtious and helpful here for as long as
I can remember (23 years and counting). There's simply no comparison.



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[Bill Sloman]

On Friday, November 15, 2019 at 11:27:46 AM UTC+11, Cursitor Doom wrote:

On Wed, 13 Nov 2019 11:37:58 -0800, whit3rd wrote:

?? what does 'spiv' mean? And, what scam are you referring to?
For that matter, what is XR? It sounds a lot like a chain of
reasoning, but with a few dozen missing links.

Woosh!

Cursitor Doom has a much more reliable (if much simpler) processing system.

Any negative comment about George Soros has to be good (no matter how demented the context).

The fact Cursitor Doom's system is specialised for garbage in, garbage out processing and is consequently irrelevant to the real world doesn't worry Cursitor Doom at all. Why would it? His grasp of reality is remarkably feeble.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Friday, November 15, 2019 at 11:25:45 AM UTC+11, Cursitor Doom wrote:

On Tue, 12 Nov 2019 19:16:01 -0800, tabbypurr wrote:

On Saturday, 9 November 2019 22:06:57 UTC, Cursitor Doom wrote:

I've got better things to do than waste my valuable time on this pair
of fools.

Quite, re Sloman. FWIW. Win is very different to the slow one.

Totally. Win's been nothing but courtious and helpful here for as long as
I can remember (23 years and counting). There's simply no comparison.

Win would probably be more grateful if the tribute came from somebody who could spell "courteous".

The fact that NT and Cursitor Doom don't like me doesn't worry me at all. If either of that pair of half-wits ever said something nice about me I'd have to write it off as one more of their numerous misapprehensions.

They aren't the least useful people who post here - skybuck flying has won the race to bottom, and krw isn't far behind - but they clearly do belong to dregs of our little society.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Tom Gardner]

On 13/11/19 19:37, whit3rd wrote:
> ?? what does 'spiv' mean? And, what scam are you referring to?

WW2 black marketeer. Traditionally they hang around on street
corners and, from the corner of their mouth uttered phrases
like "Pssst. Want some bacon... or nylons for the good lady"