Only one EV charger at home?!...

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 10/06/2023 01:20, SteveW wrote:

Pulling out of junctions or onto roundabouts meant waiting for bigger
gaps, as it changed gears and failed to accelerate for a time, before it
sorted itself out.

That can be a problem. Try applying the brakes and then giving it some
hot pedal. Usually that forces a kickdown. Or engaging \'sport\' mode if
it has one. Or using manual override.

Mine is fine for accelerating from rest *unless I have to abort the
manoeuvre* Then it can take up to a second to sort itself out collect
the right gear and get the turbo spooled up.

Sport mode sorts it out. As does using the paddles

--
Renewable energy: Expensive solutions that don\'t work to a problem that
doesn\'t exist instituted by self legalising protection rackets that
don\'t protect, masquerading as public servants who don\'t serve the public.

 

[SteveW]

On 10/06/2023 03:22, John Larkin wrote:

On Sat, 10 Jun 2023 01:20:22 +0100, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk
wrote:

On 19/04/2023 21:48, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 21:52:52 +0200, \"Carlos E.R.\"
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-04-19 18:27, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 14:36:49 +0200, \"Carlos E.R.\"
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-04-19 14:12, Theo wrote:
In uk.d-i-y Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
Interesting.

How does it work, you foot the brake pedal, and the car decides whether
to apply the actual brakes or generator mode?

In general yes. The car will decide whether to use regen or friction
brakes. For example mostly regen if the battery can take it, but at low
speeds friction might be used for the last few mph down to zero where regen
is weak. Also in an emergency stop both might be used.

What happens when you release the accelerator pedal? Does it just coast
along, or does it apply \"engine brake\" as in a gasoline car?

That\'s called \'one pedal driving\', and on many EVs you can adjust the
retardation (regen) in a number of steps from coasting through to quite
aggressive braking. Coasting is more like a regular transmission where you
have to use the brake pedal, whereas with higher levels you can drive with
accelerator alone.

By \"regular transmission\" you mean \"automatic\"?

Most cars here have a manual transmission,

where\'s that?

My address says \"es\", thus Spain


and on those the (gasoline)
car brakes somewhat when the accelerator pedal is released. We use that
to maintain the speed when going down long slopes, instead of using the
brake. If we need more brake action, we shift to a lower gear.

My wife and kid threatened to divorce me if I got one more
manual-transmission car. They couldn\'t drive a manual on the hills
here.

:-D

Till relatively recently, the driving test was done only on manual cars.
Now you can use an automatic, but you get an specific license that says
you can not drive manuals.

Really, here in the 21st century, manual transmissions make as much
sense as dial phones.


I disagree.

For years, I have driven a manual car, but in recent months I have been
mainly driving a BEV, which is very nice to drive, still with occasional
use of a manual car, which I have remained perfectly happy to drive.

For the past few days I have been driving an automatic (a hire car while
attending a funeral in Ireland) and I have remembered why I disliked
them after previous experiences.

Pulling out of junctions or onto roundabouts meant waiting for bigger
gaps, as it changed gears and failed to accelerate for a time, before it
sorted itself out.

Overtaking meant beginning to accelerate up behind something and then
seeing if it was safe to pull out, rather than the other way around, due
to the extra lag delaying the start of accelerating.

Instead of dropping to a lower gear for better acceleration, it dropped
and then, as I continued to accelerate, dropped again, gaining little
speed, but revving the engine madly.

I found that I was having to modify my driving, as it fought against me.
That has never been the case for any manual or for a BEV.

Was it a turbo?

It wasn\'t that sort of lag (which should have been compensated by it
being a hybrid anyway), it was much more a case of dropping into too low
a gear and revving hard to no real effect, before changing up again to
actually gain some speed.

Whatever, it was horrible to drive.

 

[SteveW]

On 10/06/2023 03:49, rbowman wrote:

On Sat, 10 Jun 2023 01:20:22 +0100, SteveW wrote:

Overtaking meant beginning to accelerate up behind something and then
seeing if it was safe to pull out, rather than the other way around, due
to the extra lag delaying the start of accelerating.

Instead of dropping to a lower gear for better acceleration, it dropped
and then, as I continued to accelerate, dropped again, gaining little
speed, but revving the engine madly.

Was it a CVT? The AT in my Toyota doesn\'t behave like that.

No, it had distinct gear changes - and a display on the screen of which
of the seven speeds it was in.

 

[SteveW]

On 10/06/2023 09:03, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 10/06/2023 01:20, SteveW wrote:
Pulling out of junctions or onto roundabouts meant waiting for bigger
gaps, as it changed gears and failed to accelerate for a time, before
it sorted itself out.

That can be a problem. Try applying the brakes and then giving it some
hot pedal. Usually that forces a kickdown. Or engaging \'sport\' mode if
it has one. Or using manual override.

Sport mode did help, but it still bogged down at inopportune moments.

Kickdown actually seemed to be part of the problem, it was kicking down
to such a low gear and staying there so long, that the engine was
revving madly, without actually getting much change in speed.

Mine is fine for accelerating from rest *unless I have to abort the
manoeuvre* Then  it can take up to a second to sort itself out collect
the right gear and get the turbo spooled up.

Sport mode sorts it out. As does using the paddles

No paddles for the driver to choose a gear.

I\'ll just stick to my manual car (just a bog-standard 1.8 Zafira) or our
BEV (instant acceleration and no gear changes).

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Saturday, June 10, 2023 at 6:04:05 PM UTC+10, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 10/06/2023 01:20, SteveW wrote:

<snipped moronic nonsense>

> Renewable energy: Expensive solutions that don\'t work to a problem that doesn\'t exist instituted by self legalising protection rackets that don\'t protect, masquerading as public servants who don\'t serve the public.

More moronic nonsense. Renewable energy - wind turbines and solar cells - produce electricity more cheaply than you can get it by burning fossil carbon.

They incidentally offer a long term solution to anthropogenic global warming, which does happen to be a real problem, recognised in the first instance by open-ended scientific research which isn\'t any kind of protection racket. It can protect us from our own stupidity, but we do have to recognise that we\'ve been stupid before it can help. You may need some help with that.

In Australia most of the money being spent on generating renewable energy is being spent by the privatised electrical generating companies, who make money out of selling electricity to public, which is a profit-making service.. They make bigger profits out of renewable energy generation.

The Snowy Mountains hydroelect ric generation scheme was publicly funded back in the 1950\'s and generated electricity from a renewable resource back then, which definitely served the public.

--
Bill Sloman. Sydney

 

[Vir Campestris]

On 08/06/2023 14:41, John Larkin wrote:

My womem insisted that I get an automatic. Manuals are hard to drive
on the hills here.

It\'s an Audi 6-speed with the clever dual-clutch Borg-Warner
transmission. I grudgingly admit that I like it.

Frankly, manual transmissions are obsolete technology, like points and
hand chokes and crank starters.

My son bought an auto (CVT) Civic, as he does stupid mileage. 30k plus a
year.

It does the job, it\'s reasonably economical, it will accelerate when you
ask it to. It\'s got radar cruise control so it will just keep a steady
distance from the car in front in stop start traffic.

And it\'s boring as *****.

Andy

 

[Vir Campestris]

On 10/06/2023 09:03, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

That can be a problem. Try applying the brakes and then giving it some
hot pedal. Usually that forces a kickdown. Or engaging \'sport\' mode if
it has one. Or using manual override.

Mine is fine for accelerating from rest *unless I have to abort the
manoeuvre* Then  it can take up to a second to sort itself out collect
the right gear and get the turbo spooled up.

Sport mode sorts it out. As does using the paddles

Many years ago I had an automatic Cavalier. I didn\'t like it, but it
didn\'t behave like that.

Sport mode though was a waste of time. It made it hold a lower gear when
on intermediate throttle settings. Floor it, and it would change down
anyway and run up to the rev limit.

I\'m surprised that they\'ve got worse over the years.

Andy

 

[John Larkin]

On Sat, 10 Jun 2023 11:58:49 +0100, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk>
wrote:

On 10/06/2023 03:22, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 10 Jun 2023 01:20:22 +0100, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk
wrote:

On 19/04/2023 21:48, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 21:52:52 +0200, \"Carlos E.R.\"
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-04-19 18:27, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 14:36:49 +0200, \"Carlos E.R.\"
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-04-19 14:12, Theo wrote:
In uk.d-i-y Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
Interesting.

How does it work, you foot the brake pedal, and the car decides whether
to apply the actual brakes or generator mode?

In general yes. The car will decide whether to use regen or friction
brakes. For example mostly regen if the battery can take it, but at low
speeds friction might be used for the last few mph down to zero where regen
is weak. Also in an emergency stop both might be used.

What happens when you release the accelerator pedal? Does it just coast
along, or does it apply \"engine brake\" as in a gasoline car?

That\'s called \'one pedal driving\', and on many EVs you can adjust the
retardation (regen) in a number of steps from coasting through to quite
aggressive braking. Coasting is more like a regular transmission where you
have to use the brake pedal, whereas with higher levels you can drive with
accelerator alone.

By \"regular transmission\" you mean \"automatic\"?

Most cars here have a manual transmission,

where\'s that?

My address says \"es\", thus Spain


and on those the (gasoline)
car brakes somewhat when the accelerator pedal is released. We use that
to maintain the speed when going down long slopes, instead of using the
brake. If we need more brake action, we shift to a lower gear.

My wife and kid threatened to divorce me if I got one more
manual-transmission car. They couldn\'t drive a manual on the hills
here.

:-D

Till relatively recently, the driving test was done only on manual cars.
Now you can use an automatic, but you get an specific license that says
you can not drive manuals.

Really, here in the 21st century, manual transmissions make as much
sense as dial phones.


I disagree.

For years, I have driven a manual car, but in recent months I have been
mainly driving a BEV, which is very nice to drive, still with occasional
use of a manual car, which I have remained perfectly happy to drive.

For the past few days I have been driving an automatic (a hire car while
attending a funeral in Ireland) and I have remembered why I disliked
them after previous experiences.

Pulling out of junctions or onto roundabouts meant waiting for bigger
gaps, as it changed gears and failed to accelerate for a time, before it
sorted itself out.

Overtaking meant beginning to accelerate up behind something and then
seeing if it was safe to pull out, rather than the other way around, due
to the extra lag delaying the start of accelerating.

Instead of dropping to a lower gear for better acceleration, it dropped
and then, as I continued to accelerate, dropped again, gaining little
speed, but revving the engine madly.

I found that I was having to modify my driving, as it fought against me.
That has never been the case for any manual or for a BEV.

Was it a turbo?

It wasn\'t that sort of lag (which should have been compensated by it
being a hybrid anyway), it was much more a case of dropping into too low
a gear and revving hard to no real effect, before changing up again to
actually gain some speed.

Whatever, it was horrible to drive.

I suspect the many cars, especially turbos, are programmed to cheat
emissions tests. Driven like grannies, they pass. That\'s why there are
so many 2L turbos that, eventually, are sort of driveable.

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Sunday, June 11, 2023 at 12:13:02 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:

On Sat, 10 Jun 2023 11:58:49 +0100, SteveW <st...@walker-family.me.uk> wrote:
On 10/06/2023 03:22, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 10 Jun 2023 01:20:22 +0100, SteveW <st...@walker-family.me.uk> wrote:
On 19/04/2023 21:48, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 21:52:52 +0200, \"Carlos E.R.\" <robin_...@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2023-04-19 18:27, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 14:36:49 +0200, \"Carlos E.R.\" <robin_...@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2023-04-19 14:12, Theo wrote:
In uk.d-i-y Carlos E.R. <robin_...@es.invalid> wrote:

<snip>

> I suspect the many cars, especially turbos, are programmed to cheat emissions tests. Driven like grannies, they pass. That\'s why there are so many 2L turbos that, eventually, are sort of driveable.

https://www.afr.com/companies/energy/volkswagen-must-pay-record-125m-fine-for-emissions-scandal-20211112-p598f1

The car emissions test scandal was back in 2015. It got a lot of publicity at the time.

I don\'t think that any car testing authority would be caught that way again.. The engines might be tuned for minimum emissions rather than maximum power, but that isn\'t cheating, though the drivers might prefer a more irresponsible approach.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 10/06/2023 11:59, SteveW wrote:

On 10/06/2023 03:49, rbowman wrote:
On Sat, 10 Jun 2023 01:20:22 +0100, SteveW wrote:

Overtaking meant beginning to accelerate up behind something and then
seeing if it was safe to pull out, rather than the other way around, due
to the extra lag delaying the start of accelerating.

Instead of dropping to a lower gear for better acceleration, it dropped
and then, as I continued to accelerate, dropped again, gaining little
speed, but revving the engine madly.

Was it a CVT? The AT in my Toyota doesn\'t behave like that.

No, it had distinct gear changes - and a display on the screen of which
of the seven speeds it was in.

I remember being told by \'the hairy one*\' of rallying that they spend a
lot of money getting an auto shift from 100ms to 60ms.

Over a stage, it was over half a second...
....so lag is not inherent in an auto box.

*Dave Richards, Prodrive.

--
\"And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch\".

Gospel of St. Mathew 15:14

 

[Rod Speed]

On Sat, 10 Jun 2023 20:58:49 +1000, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk>
wrote:

On 10/06/2023 03:22, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 10 Jun 2023 01:20:22 +0100, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk
wrote:

On 19/04/2023 21:48, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 21:52:52 +0200, \"Carlos E.R.\"
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-04-19 18:27, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 14:36:49 +0200, \"Carlos E.R.\"
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-04-19 14:12, Theo wrote:
In uk.d-i-y Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
Interesting.

How does it work, you foot the brake pedal, and the car decides
whether
to apply the actual brakes or generator mode?

In general yes. The car will decide whether to use regen or
friction
brakes. For example mostly regen if the battery can take it, but
at low
speeds friction might be used for the last few mph down to zero
where regen
is weak. Also in an emergency stop both might be used.

What happens when you release the accelerator pedal? Does it
just coast
along, or does it apply \"engine brake\" as in a gasoline car?

That\'s called \'one pedal driving\', and on many EVs you can adjust
the
retardation (regen) in a number of steps from coasting through to
quite
aggressive braking. Coasting is more like a regular transmission
where you
have to use the brake pedal, whereas with higher levels you can
drive with
accelerator alone.

By \"regular transmission\" you mean \"automatic\"?

Most cars here have a manual transmission,

where\'s that?

My address says \"es\", thus Spain


and on those the (gasoline)
car brakes somewhat when the accelerator pedal is released. We use
that
to maintain the speed when going down long slopes, instead of
using the
brake. If we need more brake action, we shift to a lower gear.

My wife and kid threatened to divorce me if I got one more
manual-transmission car. They couldn\'t drive a manual on the hills
here.

:-D

Till relatively recently, the driving test was done only on manual
cars.
Now you can use an automatic, but you get an specific license that
says
you can not drive manuals.

Really, here in the 21st century, manual transmissions make as much
sense as dial phones.


I disagree.

For years, I have driven a manual car, but in recent months I have been
mainly driving a BEV, which is very nice to drive, still with
occasional
use of a manual car, which I have remained perfectly happy to drive.

For the past few days I have been driving an automatic (a hire car
while
attending a funeral in Ireland) and I have remembered why I disliked
them after previous experiences.

Pulling out of junctions or onto roundabouts meant waiting for bigger
gaps, as it changed gears and failed to accelerate for a time, before
it
sorted itself out.

Overtaking meant beginning to accelerate up behind something and then
seeing if it was safe to pull out, rather than the other way around,
due
to the extra lag delaying the start of accelerating.

Instead of dropping to a lower gear for better acceleration, it dropped
and then, as I continued to accelerate, dropped again, gaining little
speed, but revving the engine madly.

I found that I was having to modify my driving, as it fought against
me.
That has never been the case for any manual or for a BEV.
Was it a turbo?

It wasn\'t that sort of lag (which should have been compensated by it
being a hybrid anyway), it was much more a case of dropping into too low
a gear and revving hard to no real effect,

Don\'t believe that that is even possible.

> before changing up again to actually gain some speed.

Or that either.

> Whatever, it was horrible to drive.

Never seen that with any automatic.

 

[Rod Speed]

On Sat, 10 Jun 2023 21:14:28 +1000, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk>
wrote:

On 10/06/2023 09:03, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 10/06/2023 01:20, SteveW wrote:
Pulling out of junctions or onto roundabouts meant waiting for bigger
gaps, as it changed gears and failed to accelerate for a time, before
it sorted itself out.
That can be a problem. Try applying the brakes and then giving it some
hot pedal. Usually that forces a kickdown. Or engaging \'sport\' mode if
it has one. Or using manual override.

Sport mode did help, but it still bogged down at inopportune moments.

Kickdown actually seemed to be part of the problem, it was kicking down
to such a low gear and staying there so long, that the engine was
revving madly, without actually getting much change in speed.

Don\'t believe that is possible.

You need to name the model.

Mine is fine for accelerating from rest *unless I have to abort the
manoeuvre* Then it can take up to a second to sort itself out collect
the right gear and get the turbo spooled up.
Sport mode sorts it out. As does using the paddles

No paddles for the driver to choose a gear.

I\'ll just stick to my manual car (just a bog-standard 1.8 Zafira) or our
BEV (instant acceleration and no gear changes).

 

[Peeler]

On Sun, 11 Jun 2023 03:06:28 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin\'s latest trollshit unread>

--
MrTurnip@down.the.farm about senile Rodent Speed:
\"This is like having a conversation with someone with brain damage.\"
MID: <ps10v9$uo2$1@gioia.aioe.org>

 

[Peeler]

On Sun, 11 Jun 2023 03:15:04 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin\'s latest trollshit unread>

--
Bod addressing abnormal senile quarreller Rodent Speed:
\"Do you practice arguing with yourself in an empty room?\"
MID: <g4ihlaFh5p5U2@mid.individual.net>

 

[rbowman]

On Sat, 10 Jun 2023 11:59:37 +0100, SteveW wrote:

On 10/06/2023 03:49, rbowman wrote:
On Sat, 10 Jun 2023 01:20:22 +0100, SteveW wrote:

Overtaking meant beginning to accelerate up behind something and then
seeing if it was safe to pull out, rather than the other way around,
due to the extra lag delaying the start of accelerating.

Instead of dropping to a lower gear for better acceleration, it
dropped and then, as I continued to accelerate, dropped again, gaining
little speed, but revving the engine madly.

Was it a CVT? The AT in my Toyota doesn\'t behave like that.

No, it had distinct gear changes - and a display on the screen of which
of the seven speeds it was in.

One of the complaints about the transmission in my Toyota is \'but it only
has four speeds\'. Maybe with fewer choices it doesn\'t get confused. On
long grades it does hunt between 3rd and 4th sometimes but that\'s easily
fixed by moving the lever to 3rd.

 

[Peeler]

On 10 Jun 2023 19:27:13 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


> One of the complaints about the transmission in my Toyota is \'but it only

What about the many more complaints about your big mouth, bigmouth?

--
Yet more of the very interesting senile blather by lowbrowwoman:
\"I save my fries quota for one of the local food trucks that offers
poutine every now and then. If you\'re going for a coronary might as well
do it right.\"
MID: <ivdi4gF8btlU1@mid.individual.net>

 

[John Larkin]

On Sun, 11 Jun 2023 03:06:28 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sat, 10 Jun 2023 20:58:49 +1000, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk
wrote:

On 10/06/2023 03:22, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 10 Jun 2023 01:20:22 +0100, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk
wrote:

On 19/04/2023 21:48, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 21:52:52 +0200, \"Carlos E.R.\"
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-04-19 18:27, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 14:36:49 +0200, \"Carlos E.R.\"
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-04-19 14:12, Theo wrote:
In uk.d-i-y Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
Interesting.

How does it work, you foot the brake pedal, and the car decides
whether
to apply the actual brakes or generator mode?

In general yes. The car will decide whether to use regen or
friction
brakes. For example mostly regen if the battery can take it, but
at low
speeds friction might be used for the last few mph down to zero
where regen
is weak. Also in an emergency stop both might be used.

What happens when you release the accelerator pedal? Does it
just coast
along, or does it apply \"engine brake\" as in a gasoline car?

That\'s called \'one pedal driving\', and on many EVs you can adjust
the
retardation (regen) in a number of steps from coasting through to
quite
aggressive braking. Coasting is more like a regular transmission
where you
have to use the brake pedal, whereas with higher levels you can
drive with
accelerator alone.

By \"regular transmission\" you mean \"automatic\"?

Most cars here have a manual transmission,

where\'s that?

My address says \"es\", thus Spain


and on those the (gasoline)
car brakes somewhat when the accelerator pedal is released. We use
that
to maintain the speed when going down long slopes, instead of
using the
brake. If we need more brake action, we shift to a lower gear.

My wife and kid threatened to divorce me if I got one more
manual-transmission car. They couldn\'t drive a manual on the hills
here.

:-D

Till relatively recently, the driving test was done only on manual
cars.
Now you can use an automatic, but you get an specific license that
says
you can not drive manuals.

Really, here in the 21st century, manual transmissions make as much
sense as dial phones.


I disagree.

For years, I have driven a manual car, but in recent months I have been
mainly driving a BEV, which is very nice to drive, still with
occasional
use of a manual car, which I have remained perfectly happy to drive.

For the past few days I have been driving an automatic (a hire car
while
attending a funeral in Ireland) and I have remembered why I disliked
them after previous experiences.

Pulling out of junctions or onto roundabouts meant waiting for bigger
gaps, as it changed gears and failed to accelerate for a time, before
it
sorted itself out.

Overtaking meant beginning to accelerate up behind something and then
seeing if it was safe to pull out, rather than the other way around,
due
to the extra lag delaying the start of accelerating.

Instead of dropping to a lower gear for better acceleration, it dropped
and then, as I continued to accelerate, dropped again, gaining little
speed, but revving the engine madly.

I found that I was having to modify my driving, as it fought against
me.
That has never been the case for any manual or for a BEV.
Was it a turbo?

It wasn\'t that sort of lag (which should have been compensated by it
being a hybrid anyway), it was much more a case of dropping into too low
a gear and revving hard to no real effect,

Don\'t believe that that is even possible.

You wouldn\'t always drive a manual in first gear.

 

[Rod Speed]

On Sun, 11 Jun 2023 14:28:00 +1000, John Larkin
<jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Sun, 11 Jun 2023 03:06:28 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sat, 10 Jun 2023 20:58:49 +1000, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk
wrote:

On 10/06/2023 03:22, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 10 Jun 2023 01:20:22 +0100, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk
wrote:

On 19/04/2023 21:48, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 21:52:52 +0200, \"Carlos E.R.\"
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-04-19 18:27, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 14:36:49 +0200, \"Carlos E.R.\"
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-04-19 14:12, Theo wrote:
In uk.d-i-y Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
Interesting.

How does it work, you foot the brake pedal, and the car decides
whether
to apply the actual brakes or generator mode?

In general yes. The car will decide whether to use regen or
friction
brakes. For example mostly regen if the battery can take it,
but
at low
speeds friction might be used for the last few mph down to zero
where regen
is weak. Also in an emergency stop both might be used.

What happens when you release the accelerator pedal? Does it
just coast
along, or does it apply \"engine brake\" as in a gasoline car?

That\'s called \'one pedal driving\', and on many EVs you can
adjust
the
retardation (regen) in a number of steps from coasting through
to
quite
aggressive braking. Coasting is more like a regular
transmission
where you
have to use the brake pedal, whereas with higher levels you can
drive with
accelerator alone.

By \"regular transmission\" you mean \"automatic\"?

Most cars here have a manual transmission,

where\'s that?

My address says \"es\", thus Spain


and on those the (gasoline)
car brakes somewhat when the accelerator pedal is released. We
use
that
to maintain the speed when going down long slopes, instead of
using the
brake. If we need more brake action, we shift to a lower gear.

My wife and kid threatened to divorce me if I got one more
manual-transmission car. They couldn\'t drive a manual on the hills
here.

:-D

Till relatively recently, the driving test was done only on manual
cars.
Now you can use an automatic, but you get an specific license that
says
you can not drive manuals.

Really, here in the 21st century, manual transmissions make as much
sense as dial phones.


I disagree.

For years, I have driven a manual car, but in recent months I have
been
mainly driving a BEV, which is very nice to drive, still with
occasional
use of a manual car, which I have remained perfectly happy to drive.

For the past few days I have been driving an automatic (a hire car
while
attending a funeral in Ireland) and I have remembered why I disliked
them after previous experiences.

Pulling out of junctions or onto roundabouts meant waiting for bigger
gaps, as it changed gears and failed to accelerate for a time, before
it
sorted itself out.

Overtaking meant beginning to accelerate up behind something and then
seeing if it was safe to pull out, rather than the other way around,
due
to the extra lag delaying the start of accelerating.

Instead of dropping to a lower gear for better acceleration, it
dropped
and then, as I continued to accelerate, dropped again, gaining little
speed, but revving the engine madly.

I found that I was having to modify my driving, as it fought against
me.
That has never been the case for any manual or for a BEV.
Was it a turbo?

It wasn\'t that sort of lag (which should have been compensated by it
being a hybrid anyway), it was much more a case of dropping into too
low
a gear and revving hard to no real effect,

Don\'t believe that that is even possible.

You wouldn\'t always drive a manual in first gear.

My comment was about the claim that it was much more a case of dropping
into too low a gear and revving hard to no real effect on the speed of the
car.

No automatic would drop into first in that situation.

 

[Peeler]

On Sun, 11 Jun 2023 14:52:32 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin\'s latest trollshit unread>

--
Richard addressing senile Rodent Speed:
\"Shit you\'re thick/pathetic excuse for a troll.\"
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[ARW]

On 01/06/2023 07:53, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 01/06/2023 03:45, rbowman wrote:
On Thu, 01 Jun 2023 00:52:36 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

What happens behind you is not your problem.

It fucking well is if they\'re going to ram you at 60 mph.

For once I can agree with you.
Giving lessons to tailgaters with the handbrake was a favourite trick.
Only let it off when the smoking tyres in the mirror were a foot from
your rear  bumper.



They are only tailgating because you are not driving fast enough

Followed a split arse the other day with main beams and full horn on for
over 6 miles and she never changed lane.