Only one EV charger at home?!...

[Commander Kinsey]

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 20:52:52 +0100, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-04-19 18:27, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 14:36:49 +0200, \"Carlos E.R.\"
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-04-19 14:12, Theo wrote:
In uk.d-i-y Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
Interesting.

How does it work, you foot the brake pedal, and the car decides whether
to apply the actual brakes or generator mode?

In general yes. The car will decide whether to use regen or friction
brakes. For example mostly regen if the battery can take it, but at low
speeds friction might be used for the last few mph down to zero where regen
is weak. Also in an emergency stop both might be used.

What happens when you release the accelerator pedal? Does it just coast
along, or does it apply \"engine brake\" as in a gasoline car?

That\'s called \'one pedal driving\', and on many EVs you can adjust the
retardation (regen) in a number of steps from coasting through to quite
aggressive braking. Coasting is more like a regular transmission where you
have to use the brake pedal, whereas with higher levels you can drive with
accelerator alone.

By \"regular transmission\" you mean \"automatic\"?

Most cars here have a manual transmission,

where\'s that?

My address says \"es\", thus Spain


and on those the (gasoline)
car brakes somewhat when the accelerator pedal is released. We use that
to maintain the speed when going down long slopes, instead of using the
brake. If we need more brake action, we shift to a lower gear.

My wife and kid threatened to divorce me if I got one more
manual-transmission car. They couldn\'t drive a manual on the hills
here.

:-D

Till relatively recently, the driving test was done only on manual cars.
Now you can use an automatic, but you get an specific license that says
you can not drive manuals.

That has always been the case tin the UK, for those who can\'t use a manual for whatever reason.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Thu, 20 Apr 2023 12:02:29 +0100, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-04-19 22:48, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 21:52:52 +0200, \"Carlos E.R.\"
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-04-19 18:27, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 14:36:49 +0200, \"Carlos E.R.\"
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-04-19 14:12, Theo wrote:
In uk.d-i-y Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
Interesting.

How does it work, you foot the brake pedal, and the car decides whether
to apply the actual brakes or generator mode?

In general yes. The car will decide whether to use regen or friction
brakes. For example mostly regen if the battery can take it, but at low
speeds friction might be used for the last few mph down to zero where regen
is weak. Also in an emergency stop both might be used.

What happens when you release the accelerator pedal? Does it just coast
along, or does it apply \"engine brake\" as in a gasoline car?

That\'s called \'one pedal driving\', and on many EVs you can adjust the
retardation (regen) in a number of steps from coasting through to quite
aggressive braking. Coasting is more like a regular transmission where you
have to use the brake pedal, whereas with higher levels you can drive with
accelerator alone.

By \"regular transmission\" you mean \"automatic\"?

Most cars here have a manual transmission,

where\'s that?

My address says \"es\", thus Spain


and on those the (gasoline)
car brakes somewhat when the accelerator pedal is released. We use that
to maintain the speed when going down long slopes, instead of using the
brake. If we need more brake action, we shift to a lower gear.

My wife and kid threatened to divorce me if I got one more
manual-transmission car. They couldn\'t drive a manual on the hills
here.

:-D

Till relatively recently, the driving test was done only on manual cars.
Now you can use an automatic, but you get an specific license that says
you can not drive manuals.

Really, here in the 21st century, manual transmissions make as much
sense as dial phones.

Here, gasoline is very expensive. 1.7¤ a litre. A lot of that are taxes.
Due to that, our cars tend to be small, and designed to drink little. An
automatic shift uses more gasoline

No they don\'t. Not for the last few decades. In fact my 1998 Golf used less, because it was always in the perfect gear, which included ones inbetween the real gears, since it had a torque convertor.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Thu, 20 Apr 2023 10:28:27 +0100, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 19/04/2023 21:48, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 21:52:52 +0200, \"Carlos E.R.\"
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-04-19 18:27, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 14:36:49 +0200, \"Carlos E.R.\"
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-04-19 14:12, Theo wrote:
In uk.d-i-y Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
Interesting.

How does it work, you foot the brake pedal, and the car decides whether
to apply the actual brakes or generator mode?

In general yes. The car will decide whether to use regen or friction
brakes. For example mostly regen if the battery can take it, but at low
speeds friction might be used for the last few mph down to zero where regen
is weak. Also in an emergency stop both might be used.

What happens when you release the accelerator pedal? Does it just coast
along, or does it apply \"engine brake\" as in a gasoline car?

That\'s called \'one pedal driving\', and on many EVs you can adjust the
retardation (regen) in a number of steps from coasting through to quite
aggressive braking. Coasting is more like a regular transmission where you
have to use the brake pedal, whereas with higher levels you can drive with
accelerator alone.

By \"regular transmission\" you mean \"automatic\"?

Most cars here have a manual transmission,

where\'s that?

My address says \"es\", thus Spain


and on those the (gasoline)
car brakes somewhat when the accelerator pedal is released. We use that
to maintain the speed when going down long slopes, instead of using the
brake. If we need more brake action, we shift to a lower gear.

My wife and kid threatened to divorce me if I got one more
manual-transmission car. They couldn\'t drive a manual on the hills
here.

:-D

Till relatively recently, the driving test was done only on manual cars.
Now you can use an automatic, but you get an specific license that says
you can not drive manuals.

Really, here in the 21st century, manual transmissions make as much
sense as dial phones.

Not really. They are simpler cheaper and slightly more efficient.
And give greater control of the vehicle.

Where did you get the crazy idea you get better control? Giving the driver less to do makes autos much safer.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 21:48:04 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 21:52:52 +0200, \"Carlos E.R.\"
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-04-19 18:27, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 14:36:49 +0200, \"Carlos E.R.\"
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-04-19 14:12, Theo wrote:
In uk.d-i-y Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
Interesting.

How does it work, you foot the brake pedal, and the car decides whether
to apply the actual brakes or generator mode?

In general yes. The car will decide whether to use regen or friction
brakes. For example mostly regen if the battery can take it, but at low
speeds friction might be used for the last few mph down to zero where regen
is weak. Also in an emergency stop both might be used.

What happens when you release the accelerator pedal? Does it just coast
along, or does it apply \"engine brake\" as in a gasoline car?

That\'s called \'one pedal driving\', and on many EVs you can adjust the
retardation (regen) in a number of steps from coasting through to quite
aggressive braking. Coasting is more like a regular transmission where you
have to use the brake pedal, whereas with higher levels you can drive with
accelerator alone.

By \"regular transmission\" you mean \"automatic\"?

Most cars here have a manual transmission,

where\'s that?

My address says \"es\", thus Spain


and on those the (gasoline)
car brakes somewhat when the accelerator pedal is released. We use that
to maintain the speed when going down long slopes, instead of using the
brake. If we need more brake action, we shift to a lower gear.

My wife and kid threatened to divorce me if I got one more
manual-transmission car. They couldn\'t drive a manual on the hills
here.

:-D

Till relatively recently, the driving test was done only on manual cars.
Now you can use an automatic, but you get an specific license that says
you can not drive manuals.

Really, here in the 21st century, manual transmissions make as much
sense as dial phones.

Which the kids can\'t use either.

I\'m a Brit and prefer autos, I see no point in doing mundane things like changing gear. But there aren\'t many about here. I\'ve owned 3 autos and 9+ manuals.

 

[Peeler]

On Thu, 8 Jun 2023 08:14:00 +0100, Idiot Jackass, the notorious,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, driveled again:

That was a car? I thought it was a character in Hitchhiker\'s Guide to
the Galaxy.

https://www.classiccarsforsale.co.uk/ford/prefect
Mine was the 1953 model.
Despite Henry Ford telling buyers that they \"could have any colour -
provided it was black\", mine was Honey Beige.

Another senile ASSHOLE who can\'t resist taking the dumbest baits that the
trolling Scottish wanker and attention whore sets out for him! How can there
be so much SENILITY in the world? LOL

 

[John Larkin]

On Thu, 8 Jun 2023 08:14:00 +0100, Ian Jackson
<ianREMOVETHISjackson@g3ohx.co.uk> wrote:

In message <op.157deziqmvhs6z@ryzen.home>, Commander Kinsey
CK1@nospam.com> writes
On Sun, 30 Apr 2023 08:15:43 +0100, Ian Jackson
ianREMOVETHISjackson@g3ohx.co.uk> wrote:

In message <kafv8jF6vi1U22@mid.individual.net>, rbowman
bowman@montana.com> writes
On Fri, 21 Apr 2023 13:11:37 +0100, Max Demian wrote:

On 21/04/2023 02:31, rbowman wrote:
On Thu, 20 Apr 2023 10:27:04 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Not arf as uneasy as power assisted brakes that lose power assistance.

Ever drive a car with mechanical brakes? It\'s a good thing they could
go all that fast.

Do you mean hydraulic but not power assisted? The hydraulics have a
different \"gearing\" (I don\'t know the proper word) so the force you have
to apply is still reasonable. I had a Mk I Escort like that. It had drum
brakes all round too. OK, but if you went through a puddle (or just
drove it in heavy rain) water would get into the drums and I would have
to go along with my left foot on the brake pedal to dry it out.

No, I meant drum brakes operated by rods:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zk-0tIAfWQ

Probably because of licensing fees Ford was one of the last manufacturers
to go to hydraulic brakes in 1939.

https://theoldmotor.com/?p=66209

My 1954 Ford Prefect

That was a car? I thought it was a character in Hitchhiker\'s Guide to
the Galaxy.

https://www.classiccarsforsale.co.uk/ford/prefect
Mine was the 1953 model.
Despite Henry Ford telling buyers that they \"could have any colour -
provided it was black\", mine was Honey Beige.

It\'s shocking how stinky those old cars are.

 

[John Larkin]

On Thu, 08 Jun 2023 08:39:05 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
<CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 21:48:04 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 21:52:52 +0200, \"Carlos E.R.\"
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-04-19 18:27, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 14:36:49 +0200, \"Carlos E.R.\"
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-04-19 14:12, Theo wrote:
In uk.d-i-y Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
Interesting.

How does it work, you foot the brake pedal, and the car decides whether
to apply the actual brakes or generator mode?

In general yes. The car will decide whether to use regen or friction
brakes. For example mostly regen if the battery can take it, but at low
speeds friction might be used for the last few mph down to zero where regen
is weak. Also in an emergency stop both might be used.

What happens when you release the accelerator pedal? Does it just coast
along, or does it apply \"engine brake\" as in a gasoline car?

That\'s called \'one pedal driving\', and on many EVs you can adjust the
retardation (regen) in a number of steps from coasting through to quite
aggressive braking. Coasting is more like a regular transmission where you
have to use the brake pedal, whereas with higher levels you can drive with
accelerator alone.

By \"regular transmission\" you mean \"automatic\"?

Most cars here have a manual transmission,

where\'s that?

My address says \"es\", thus Spain


and on those the (gasoline)
car brakes somewhat when the accelerator pedal is released. We use that
to maintain the speed when going down long slopes, instead of using the
brake. If we need more brake action, we shift to a lower gear.

My wife and kid threatened to divorce me if I got one more
manual-transmission car. They couldn\'t drive a manual on the hills
here.

:-D

Till relatively recently, the driving test was done only on manual cars.
Now you can use an automatic, but you get an specific license that says
you can not drive manuals.

Really, here in the 21st century, manual transmissions make as much
sense as dial phones.

Which the kids can\'t use either.

I\'m a Brit and prefer autos, I see no point in doing mundane things like changing gear. But there aren\'t many about here. I\'ve owned 3 autos and 9+ manuals.

My womem insisted that I get an automatic. Manuals are hard to drive
on the hills here.

It\'s an Audi 6-speed with the clever dual-clutch Borg-Warner
transmission. I grudgingly admit that I like it.

Frankly, manual transmissions are obsolete technology, like points and
hand chokes and crank starters.

 

[Peeler]

On Thu, 08 Jun 2023 06:41:05 -0700, John Larkin, another obviously brain
dead, troll-feeding senile asshole, blathered:

My womem insisted that I get an automatic. Manuals are hard to drive
on the hills here.

YOU got women? And now, all you do, is suck troll cock on Usenet, you
disgusting useless senile cretin!

 

[Peeler]

On Thu, 08 Jun 2023 06:36:04 -0700, John Larkin, another obviously brain
dead, troll-feeding senile asshole, blathered:

> It\'s shocking how stinky those old cars are.

Not as shocking as how much you old troll-feeding senile assholes stink
....of the troll cock you keep sucking!

 

[Phil Hobbs]

John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:

On Thu, 08 Jun 2023 08:39:05 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 21:48:04 +0100, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 21:52:52 +0200, \"Carlos E.R.\"
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-04-19 18:27, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 14:36:49 +0200, \"Carlos E.R.\"
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-04-19 14:12, Theo wrote:
In uk.d-i-y Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
Interesting.

How does it work, you foot the brake pedal, and the car decides whether
to apply the actual brakes or generator mode?

In general yes. The car will decide whether to use regen or friction
brakes. For example mostly regen if the battery can take it, but at low
speeds friction might be used for the last few mph down to zero where regen
is weak. Also in an emergency stop both might be used.

What happens when you release the accelerator pedal? Does it just coast
along, or does it apply \"engine brake\" as in a gasoline car?

That\'s called \'one pedal driving\', and on many EVs you can adjust the
retardation (regen) in a number of steps from coasting through to quite
aggressive braking. Coasting is more like a regular transmission where you
have to use the brake pedal, whereas with higher levels you can drive with
accelerator alone.

By \"regular transmission\" you mean \"automatic\"?

Most cars here have a manual transmission,

where\'s that?

My address says \"es\", thus Spain


and on those the (gasoline)
car brakes somewhat when the accelerator pedal is released. We use that
to maintain the speed when going down long slopes, instead of using the
brake. If we need more brake action, we shift to a lower gear.

My wife and kid threatened to divorce me if I got one more
manual-transmission car. They couldn\'t drive a manual on the hills
here.

:-D

Till relatively recently, the driving test was done only on manual cars.
Now you can use an automatic, but you get an specific license that says
you can not drive manuals.

Really, here in the 21st century, manual transmissions make as much
sense as dial phones.

Which the kids can\'t use either.

I\'m a Brit and prefer autos, I see no point in doing mundane things like
changing gear. But there aren\'t many about here. I\'ve owned 3 autos and 9+ manuals.

My womem insisted that I get an automatic. Manuals are hard to drive
on the hills here.

It\'s an Audi 6-speed with the clever dual-clutch Borg-Warner
transmission. I grudgingly admit that I like it.

Frankly, manual transmissions are obsolete technology, like points and
hand chokes and crank starters.

You lack Soul. (Kia and otherwise.)

My wife usually has automatics, but I’ve always had stick shifts. Apart
from parking valets and traffic jams, they’re perfect in all respects.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC /
Hobbs ElectroOptics Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics

 

[Rod Speed]

On Fri, 09 Jun 2023 02:10:32 +1000, Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
On Thu, 08 Jun 2023 08:39:05 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 21:48:04 +0100, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 21:52:52 +0200, \"Carlos E.R.\"
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-04-19 18:27, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 14:36:49 +0200, \"Carlos E.R.\"
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-04-19 14:12, Theo wrote:
In uk.d-i-y Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
Interesting.

How does it work, you foot the brake pedal, and the car decides
whether
to apply the actual brakes or generator mode?

In general yes. The car will decide whether to use regen or
friction
brakes. For example mostly regen if the battery can take it, but
at low
speeds friction might be used for the last few mph down to zero
where regen
is weak. Also in an emergency stop both might be used.

What happens when you release the accelerator pedal? Does it
just coast
along, or does it apply \"engine brake\" as in a gasoline car?

That\'s called \'one pedal driving\', and on many EVs you can adjust
the
retardation (regen) in a number of steps from coasting through to
quite
aggressive braking. Coasting is more like a regular transmission
where you
have to use the brake pedal, whereas with higher levels you can
drive with
accelerator alone.

By \"regular transmission\" you mean \"automatic\"?

Most cars here have a manual transmission,

where\'s that?

My address says \"es\", thus Spain


and on those the (gasoline)
car brakes somewhat when the accelerator pedal is released. We use
that
to maintain the speed when going down long slopes, instead of
using the
brake. If we need more brake action, we shift to a lower gear.

My wife and kid threatened to divorce me if I got one more
manual-transmission car. They couldn\'t drive a manual on the hills
here.

:-D

Till relatively recently, the driving test was done only on manual
cars.
Now you can use an automatic, but you get an specific license that
says
you can not drive manuals.

Really, here in the 21st century, manual transmissions make as much
sense as dial phones.

Which the kids can\'t use either.

I\'m a Brit and prefer autos, I see no point in doing mundane things
like
changing gear. But there aren\'t many about here. I\'ve owned 3 autos
and 9+ manuals.

My womem insisted that I get an automatic. Manuals are hard to drive
on the hills here.

It\'s an Audi 6-speed with the clever dual-clutch Borg-Warner
transmission. I grudgingly admit that I like it.

Frankly, manual transmissions are obsolete technology, like points and
hand chokes and crank starters.


You lack Soul. (Kia and otherwise.)

My wife usually has automatics, but I’ve always had stick shifts. Apart
from parking valets and traffic jams, they’re perfect in all respects.

Nope, don\'t do the best cruise control properly.

 

[John Larkin]

On Thu, 8 Jun 2023 16:10:32 -0000 (UTC), Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
On Thu, 08 Jun 2023 08:39:05 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 21:48:04 +0100, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 21:52:52 +0200, \"Carlos E.R.\"
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-04-19 18:27, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 14:36:49 +0200, \"Carlos E.R.\"
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-04-19 14:12, Theo wrote:
In uk.d-i-y Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
Interesting.

How does it work, you foot the brake pedal, and the car decides whether
to apply the actual brakes or generator mode?

In general yes. The car will decide whether to use regen or friction
brakes. For example mostly regen if the battery can take it, but at low
speeds friction might be used for the last few mph down to zero where regen
is weak. Also in an emergency stop both might be used.

What happens when you release the accelerator pedal? Does it just coast
along, or does it apply \"engine brake\" as in a gasoline car?

That\'s called \'one pedal driving\', and on many EVs you can adjust the
retardation (regen) in a number of steps from coasting through to quite
aggressive braking. Coasting is more like a regular transmission where you
have to use the brake pedal, whereas with higher levels you can drive with
accelerator alone.

By \"regular transmission\" you mean \"automatic\"?

Most cars here have a manual transmission,

where\'s that?

My address says \"es\", thus Spain


and on those the (gasoline)
car brakes somewhat when the accelerator pedal is released. We use that
to maintain the speed when going down long slopes, instead of using the
brake. If we need more brake action, we shift to a lower gear.

My wife and kid threatened to divorce me if I got one more
manual-transmission car. They couldn\'t drive a manual on the hills
here.

:-D

Till relatively recently, the driving test was done only on manual cars.
Now you can use an automatic, but you get an specific license that says
you can not drive manuals.

Really, here in the 21st century, manual transmissions make as much
sense as dial phones.

Which the kids can\'t use either.

I\'m a Brit and prefer autos, I see no point in doing mundane things like
changing gear. But there aren\'t many about here. I\'ve owned 3 autos and 9+ manuals.

My womem insisted that I get an automatic. Manuals are hard to drive
on the hills here.

It\'s an Audi 6-speed with the clever dual-clutch Borg-Warner
transmission. I grudgingly admit that I like it.

Frankly, manual transmissions are obsolete technology, like points and
hand chokes and crank starters.


You lack Soul. (Kia and otherwise.)

My wife usually has automatics, but I’ve always had stick shifts. Apart
from parking valets and traffic jams, they’re perfect in all respects.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

I like the Audi 6-speed transmission. It has no mushy torque
converter, which is the bit I don\'t like about automatics. Engine to
wheels is nicely low-impedance.

I can shift it manually, which I do sometimes in the mountains. It
shifts incrementally, like a motorcycle.

3.2 unblown litres in, basically, a VW Rabbit chassis, has good
acceleration and engine braking. I think you have driven it.

 

[Peeler]

On Fri, 09 Jun 2023 04:04:13 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin\'s latest trollshit unread>

--
Website (from 2007) dedicated to the 89-year-old senile Australian
cretin\'s pathological trolling:
https://www.pcreview.co.uk/threads/rod-speed-faq.2973853/

 

[jon]

On Thu, 08 Jun 2023 11:51:20 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

On Thu, 8 Jun 2023 16:10:32 -0000 (UTC), Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
On Thu, 08 Jun 2023 08:39:05 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 21:48:04 +0100, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 21:52:52 +0200, \"Carlos E.R.\"
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-04-19 18:27, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 14:36:49 +0200, \"Carlos E.R.\"
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-04-19 14:12, Theo wrote:
In uk.d-i-y Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
Interesting.

How does it work, you foot the brake pedal, and the car decides
whether to apply the actual brakes or generator mode?

In general yes. The car will decide whether to use regen or
friction brakes. For example mostly regen if the battery can
take it, but at low speeds friction might be used for the last
few mph down to zero where regen is weak. Also in an emergency
stop both might be used.

What happens when you release the accelerator pedal? Does it
just coast along, or does it apply \"engine brake\" as in a
gasoline car?

That\'s called \'one pedal driving\', and on many EVs you can
adjust the retardation (regen) in a number of steps from
coasting through to quite aggressive braking. Coasting is more
like a regular transmission where you have to use the brake
pedal, whereas with higher levels you can drive with accelerator
alone.

By \"regular transmission\" you mean \"automatic\"?

Most cars here have a manual transmission,

where\'s that?

My address says \"es\", thus Spain


and on those the (gasoline)
car brakes somewhat when the accelerator pedal is released. We
use that to maintain the speed when going down long slopes,
instead of using the brake. If we need more brake action, we
shift to a lower gear.

My wife and kid threatened to divorce me if I got one more
manual-transmission car. They couldn\'t drive a manual on the hills
here.

:-D

Till relatively recently, the driving test was done only on manual
cars.
Now you can use an automatic, but you get an specific license that
says you can not drive manuals.

Really, here in the 21st century, manual transmissions make as much
sense as dial phones.

Which the kids can\'t use either.

I\'m a Brit and prefer autos, I see no point in doing mundane things
like changing gear. But there aren\'t many about here. I\'ve owned 3
autos and 9+ manuals.

My womem insisted that I get an automatic. Manuals are hard to drive
on the hills here.

It\'s an Audi 6-speed with the clever dual-clutch Borg-Warner
transmission. I grudgingly admit that I like it.

Frankly, manual transmissions are obsolete technology, like points and
hand chokes and crank starters.


You lack Soul. (Kia and otherwise.)

My wife usually has automatics, but I’ve always had stick shifts. Apart
from parking valets and traffic jams, they’re perfect in all respects.


Cheers

Phil Hobbs

I like the Audi 6-speed transmission. It has no mushy torque converter,
which is the bit I don\'t like about automatics. Engine to wheels is
nicely low-impedance.

I can shift it manually, which I do sometimes in the mountains. It
shifts incrementally, like a motorcycle.

3.2 unblown litres in, basically, a VW Rabbit chassis, has good
acceleration and engine braking. I think you have driven it.

My 2 litre Polo is similar, as was the previous Golf R. Excellent gear
change action.

 

[jon]

On Thu, 08 Jun 2023 08:14:00 +0100, Ian Jackson wrote:

In message <op.157deziqmvhs6z@ryzen.home>, Commander Kinsey
CK1@nospam.com> writes
On Sun, 30 Apr 2023 08:15:43 +0100, Ian Jackson
ianREMOVETHISjackson@g3ohx.co.uk> wrote:

In message <kafv8jF6vi1U22@mid.individual.net>, rbowman
bowman@montana.com> writes
On Fri, 21 Apr 2023 13:11:37 +0100, Max Demian wrote:

On 21/04/2023 02:31, rbowman wrote:
On Thu, 20 Apr 2023 10:27:04 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Not arf as uneasy as power assisted brakes that lose power
assistance.

Ever drive a car with mechanical brakes? It\'s a good thing they
could go all that fast.

Do you mean hydraulic but not power assisted? The hydraulics have a
different \"gearing\" (I don\'t know the proper word) so the force you
have to apply is still reasonable. I had a Mk I Escort like that. It
had drum brakes all round too. OK, but if you went through a puddle
(or just drove it in heavy rain) water would get into the drums and
I would have to go along with my left foot on the brake pedal to dry
it out.

No, I meant drum brakes operated by rods:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zk-0tIAfWQ

Probably because of licensing fees Ford was one of the last
manufacturers to go to hydraulic brakes in 1939.

https://theoldmotor.com/?p=66209

My 1954 Ford Prefect

That was a car? I thought it was a character in Hitchhiker\'s Guide to
the Galaxy.

https://www.classiccarsforsale.co.uk/ford/prefect Mine was the 1953
model.
Despite Henry Ford telling buyers that they \"could have any colour -
provided it was black\", mine was Honey Beige.

I drove a 1936 Standard 14 once, all the car brakes had leading shoes, so
when I shot backwards during a 3 point turn and braked nothing happened
and I collided with a parked car.

 

[SteveW]

On 19/04/2023 21:48, John Larkin wrote:

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 21:52:52 +0200, \"Carlos E.R.\"
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-04-19 18:27, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 14:36:49 +0200, \"Carlos E.R.\"
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-04-19 14:12, Theo wrote:
In uk.d-i-y Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
Interesting.

How does it work, you foot the brake pedal, and the car decides whether
to apply the actual brakes or generator mode?

In general yes. The car will decide whether to use regen or friction
brakes. For example mostly regen if the battery can take it, but at low
speeds friction might be used for the last few mph down to zero where regen
is weak. Also in an emergency stop both might be used.

What happens when you release the accelerator pedal? Does it just coast
along, or does it apply \"engine brake\" as in a gasoline car?

That\'s called \'one pedal driving\', and on many EVs you can adjust the
retardation (regen) in a number of steps from coasting through to quite
aggressive braking. Coasting is more like a regular transmission where you
have to use the brake pedal, whereas with higher levels you can drive with
accelerator alone.

By \"regular transmission\" you mean \"automatic\"?

Most cars here have a manual transmission,

where\'s that?

My address says \"es\", thus Spain


and on those the (gasoline)
car brakes somewhat when the accelerator pedal is released. We use that
to maintain the speed when going down long slopes, instead of using the
brake. If we need more brake action, we shift to a lower gear.

My wife and kid threatened to divorce me if I got one more
manual-transmission car. They couldn\'t drive a manual on the hills
here.

:-D

Till relatively recently, the driving test was done only on manual cars.
Now you can use an automatic, but you get an specific license that says
you can not drive manuals.

Really, here in the 21st century, manual transmissions make as much
sense as dial phones.

I disagree.

For years, I have driven a manual car, but in recent months I have been
mainly driving a BEV, which is very nice to drive, still with occasional
use of a manual car, which I have remained perfectly happy to drive.

For the past few days I have been driving an automatic (a hire car while
attending a funeral in Ireland) and I have remembered why I disliked
them after previous experiences.

Pulling out of junctions or onto roundabouts meant waiting for bigger
gaps, as it changed gears and failed to accelerate for a time, before it
sorted itself out.

Overtaking meant beginning to accelerate up behind something and then
seeing if it was safe to pull out, rather than the other way around, due
to the extra lag delaying the start of accelerating.

Instead of dropping to a lower gear for better acceleration, it dropped
and then, as I continued to accelerate, dropped again, gaining little
speed, but revving the engine madly.

I found that I was having to modify my driving, as it fought against me.
That has never been the case for any manual or for a BEV.

 

[Rod Speed]

On Sat, 10 Jun 2023 10:20:22 +1000, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk>
wrote:

On 19/04/2023 21:48, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 21:52:52 +0200, \"Carlos E.R.\"
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-04-19 18:27, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 14:36:49 +0200, \"Carlos E.R.\"
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-04-19 14:12, Theo wrote:
In uk.d-i-y Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
Interesting.

How does it work, you foot the brake pedal, and the car decides
whether
to apply the actual brakes or generator mode?

In general yes. The car will decide whether to use regen or
friction
brakes. For example mostly regen if the battery can take it, but
at low
speeds friction might be used for the last few mph down to zero
where regen
is weak. Also in an emergency stop both might be used.

What happens when you release the accelerator pedal? Does it just
coast
along, or does it apply \"engine brake\" as in a gasoline car?

That\'s called \'one pedal driving\', and on many EVs you can adjust
the
retardation (regen) in a number of steps from coasting through to
quite
aggressive braking. Coasting is more like a regular transmission
where you
have to use the brake pedal, whereas with higher levels you can
drive with
accelerator alone.

By \"regular transmission\" you mean \"automatic\"?

Most cars here have a manual transmission,

where\'s that?

My address says \"es\", thus Spain


and on those the (gasoline)
car brakes somewhat when the accelerator pedal is released. We use
that
to maintain the speed when going down long slopes, instead of using
the
brake. If we need more brake action, we shift to a lower gear.

My wife and kid threatened to divorce me if I got one more
manual-transmission car. They couldn\'t drive a manual on the hills
here.

:-D

Till relatively recently, the driving test was done only on manual
cars.
Now you can use an automatic, but you get an specific license that says
you can not drive manuals.
Really, here in the 21st century, manual transmissions make as much
sense as dial phones.


I disagree.

For years, I have driven a manual car, but in recent months I have been
mainly driving a BEV, which is very nice to drive, still with occasional
use of a manual car, which I have remained perfectly happy to drive.

For the past few days I have been driving an automatic (a hire car while
attending a funeral in Ireland) and I have remembered why I disliked
them after previous experiences.

Pulling out of junctions or onto roundabouts meant waiting for bigger
gaps, as it changed gears and failed to accelerate for a time, before it
sorted itself out.

Overtaking meant beginning to accelerate up behind something and then
seeing if it was safe to pull out, rather than the other way around, due
to the extra lag delaying the start of accelerating.

Instead of dropping to a lower gear for better acceleration, it dropped
and then, as I continued to accelerate, dropped again, gaining little
speed, but revving the engine madly.

I found that I was having to modify my driving, as it fought against me.
That has never been the case for any manual or for a BEV.

You don\'t get that with best automatics.

 

[John Larkin]

On Sat, 10 Jun 2023 01:20:22 +0100, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk>
wrote:

On 19/04/2023 21:48, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 21:52:52 +0200, \"Carlos E.R.\"
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-04-19 18:27, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 14:36:49 +0200, \"Carlos E.R.\"
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-04-19 14:12, Theo wrote:
In uk.d-i-y Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
Interesting.

How does it work, you foot the brake pedal, and the car decides whether
to apply the actual brakes or generator mode?

In general yes. The car will decide whether to use regen or friction
brakes. For example mostly regen if the battery can take it, but at low
speeds friction might be used for the last few mph down to zero where regen
is weak. Also in an emergency stop both might be used.

What happens when you release the accelerator pedal? Does it just coast
along, or does it apply \"engine brake\" as in a gasoline car?

That\'s called \'one pedal driving\', and on many EVs you can adjust the
retardation (regen) in a number of steps from coasting through to quite
aggressive braking. Coasting is more like a regular transmission where you
have to use the brake pedal, whereas with higher levels you can drive with
accelerator alone.

By \"regular transmission\" you mean \"automatic\"?

Most cars here have a manual transmission,

where\'s that?

My address says \"es\", thus Spain


and on those the (gasoline)
car brakes somewhat when the accelerator pedal is released. We use that
to maintain the speed when going down long slopes, instead of using the
brake. If we need more brake action, we shift to a lower gear.

My wife and kid threatened to divorce me if I got one more
manual-transmission car. They couldn\'t drive a manual on the hills
here.

:-D

Till relatively recently, the driving test was done only on manual cars.
Now you can use an automatic, but you get an specific license that says
you can not drive manuals.

Really, here in the 21st century, manual transmissions make as much
sense as dial phones.


I disagree.

For years, I have driven a manual car, but in recent months I have been
mainly driving a BEV, which is very nice to drive, still with occasional
use of a manual car, which I have remained perfectly happy to drive.

For the past few days I have been driving an automatic (a hire car while
attending a funeral in Ireland) and I have remembered why I disliked
them after previous experiences.

Pulling out of junctions or onto roundabouts meant waiting for bigger
gaps, as it changed gears and failed to accelerate for a time, before it
sorted itself out.

Overtaking meant beginning to accelerate up behind something and then
seeing if it was safe to pull out, rather than the other way around, due
to the extra lag delaying the start of accelerating.

Instead of dropping to a lower gear for better acceleration, it dropped
and then, as I continued to accelerate, dropped again, gaining little
speed, but revving the engine madly.

I found that I was having to modify my driving, as it fought against me.
That has never been the case for any manual or for a BEV.

Was it a turbo?

 

[rbowman]

On Sat, 10 Jun 2023 01:20:22 +0100, SteveW wrote:

Overtaking meant beginning to accelerate up behind something and then
seeing if it was safe to pull out, rather than the other way around, due
to the extra lag delaying the start of accelerating.

Instead of dropping to a lower gear for better acceleration, it dropped
and then, as I continued to accelerate, dropped again, gaining little
speed, but revving the engine madly.

Was it a CVT? The AT in my Toyota doesn\'t behave like that.

 

[Peeler]

On Sat, 10 Jun 2023 10:44:11 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin\'s latest trollshit unread>

--
Sqwertz to Rodent Speed:
\"This is just a hunch, but I\'m betting you\'re kinda an argumentative
asshole.
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