Only one EV charger at home?!...

[Cindy Hamilton]

On 2023-06-06, Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:

On 6/6/2023 1:59 AM, NY wrote:
\"Commander Kinsey\" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in message
newsp.153ltwommvhs6z@ryzen.home...

Start stop is pointless, it saves fuck all petrol to turn the engine
off for a minute.

I think the energy saving (or lack of it!) is not the only reason for
using start/stop. It also saves cars sitting in queues of traffic (eg at
lights) with their engines giving out exhaust fumes while the engine is
idling. So it\'s partly an anti-pollution thing.

I wonder how long the engine has to be turned off and then restarted,
for it to produce less exhaust  / use less fuel than leaving the engine
idling. Bearing in mind the energy used by the battery to restart the
engine, and the fuel needed to replace this energy in the battery.

Watch your average mpg reading while idling at a light shortly after a
refill/reset. Turning off the engine at longer stops clearly makes a
difference.

What average mpg reading? My 2004 Highlander dosn\'t have any
cool features like that.

--
Cindy Hamilton

 

[Jim Joyce]

On Tue, 06 Jun 2023 18:20:04 GMT, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com>
wrote:

On 2023-06-06, Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:
On 6/6/2023 1:59 AM, NY wrote:
\"Commander Kinsey\" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in message
newsp.153ltwommvhs6z@ryzen.home...

Start stop is pointless, it saves fuck all petrol to turn the engine
off for a minute.

I think the energy saving (or lack of it!) is not the only reason for
using start/stop. It also saves cars sitting in queues of traffic (eg at
lights) with their engines giving out exhaust fumes while the engine is
idling. So it\'s partly an anti-pollution thing.

I wonder how long the engine has to be turned off and then restarted,
for it to produce less exhaust  / use less fuel than leaving the engine
idling. Bearing in mind the energy used by the battery to restart the
engine, and the fuel needed to replace this energy in the battery.

Watch your average mpg reading while idling at a light shortly after a
refill/reset. Turning off the engine at longer stops clearly makes a
difference.

What average mpg reading? My 2004 Highlander dosn\'t have any
cool features like that.

That might depend on the trim level. My 2002 Highlander Limited had
average mpg, miles to empty, etc.

 

[rbowman]

On Tue, 06 Jun 2023 18:20:04 GMT, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

What average mpg reading? My 2004 Highlander dosn\'t have any cool
features like that.

Get a ScanGauge II and plug it into the ODB port. I mainly used mine for
fuel mileage although the current car does that by scrolling through the
odometer items.

I did have it in the instantaneous mpg mode one time and was amused to see
the mpg go to 99.99 when I got off the gas going into a curve.

 

[rbowman]

On Tue, 6 Jun 2023 15:23:45 +0100, SteveW wrote:

Citroens were different. They did not use conventional brakes with power
assistance, but used power brakes, with no direct operation. From a
description of how they worked, \"essentially, the brake pedal is in fact
a valve which allows high-pressure hydraulic fluid into the callipers
and forces the pads against the disc\". So no stored hydraulic pressure =
no brakes.

That\'s for sure. I looked at a DS back in the day. Fascinating car but my
mind kept tabulating the things that could possibly go wrong.

 

[rbowman]

On Tue, 06 Jun 2023 07:14:56 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

On Tue, 6 Jun 2023 07:31:13 -0400, devnull <devnull@alt.home.repair
wrote:

On 6/6/2023 7:22 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 06/06/2023 11:56, me wrote:
On 6/5/2023 11:40 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:


Start stop is pointless, it saves fuck all petrol to turn the engine
off for a minute.

The money you might save on gas you\'ll spend replacing the starter
motor.
As usual  kinsey is exactly wrong, as are you


The more you use the starter, the sooner it will wear out.

The only motor in a Tesla is an electric motor.

Technically there are several motors, all electric.

 

[Peeler]

On 6 Jun 2023 20:42:49 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


> Get a ScanGauge II and plug it into the ODB port.

Get a muzzle and put it over your big mouth finally, bigmouth!

--
More of the resident senile bigmouth\'s idiotic \"cool\" blather:
\"For reasons I can\'t recall I painted a spare bedroom in purple. It may
have had something to do with copious quantities of cheap Scotch.\"
MID: <k89lchF8b4pU1@mid.individual.net>

 

[Peeler]

On 6 Jun 2023 20:49:29 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


> Technically there are several motors, all electric.

Technically speaking there are several bigmouths in these ng; but you are
the biggest of them all. <BG>

--
More of the resident bigmouth\'s usual idiotic babble and gossip:
I\'m not saying my father and uncle wouldn\'t have drank Genesee beer
without Miss Genny but it certainly didn\'t hurt. Stanton\'s was the
hometown brewery but it closed in \'50. There was a Schaefer brewery in
Albany but their product was considered a step up from cat piss.

My preference was Rheingold on tap\"

 

[Peeler]

On 6 Jun 2023 20:46:24 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

That\'s for sure. I looked at a DS back in the day. Fascinating car but my
mind kept tabulating the things that could possibly go wrong.

No car could ever be as fascinating as your ridiculous, always grandiloquent
bullshit that you keep spouting here every day, you tabulating senile moron!
LOL

--
And yet another \"cool\" line from the resident bigmouthed all-American
superhero:
\"I was working on the roof when the cat came up the ladder to see what I
was doing. Cats do not do well going down aluminum ladders.\"
MID: <k9roshF2rjdU1@mid.individual.net>

 

[NY]

On 06/06/2023 21:42, rbowman wrote:

On Tue, 06 Jun 2023 18:20:04 GMT, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

What average mpg reading? My 2004 Highlander dosn\'t have any cool
features like that.

Get a ScanGauge II and plug it into the ODB port. I mainly used mine for
fuel mileage although the current car does that by scrolling through the
odometer items.

I did have it in the instantaneous mpg mode one time and was amused to see
the mpg go to 99.99 when I got off the gas going into a curve.

Yes, my Peugeot 308\'s instantaneous mpg goes to 999 mpg (as if!) when I
lift off the power. But it only does this while I\'m moving *in gear*. If
I press the clutch (as a test) while I\'m moving, the mpg goes to about
150 mpg, presumably because a little bit of fuel is needed to keep the
engine idling when it is not being turned by the wheels, whereas if the
wheels keep the engine turning, the fuel can be cut off *completely*.

 

[Bob F]

On 6/6/2023 11:20 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

On 2023-06-06, Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:
On 6/6/2023 1:59 AM, NY wrote:
\"Commander Kinsey\" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in message
newsp.153ltwommvhs6z@ryzen.home...

Start stop is pointless, it saves fuck all petrol to turn the engine
off for a minute.

I think the energy saving (or lack of it!) is not the only reason for
using start/stop. It also saves cars sitting in queues of traffic (eg at
lights) with their engines giving out exhaust fumes while the engine is
idling. So it\'s partly an anti-pollution thing.

I wonder how long the engine has to be turned off and then restarted,
for it to produce less exhaust  / use less fuel than leaving the engine
idling. Bearing in mind the energy used by the battery to restart the
engine, and the fuel needed to replace this energy in the battery.

Watch your average mpg reading while idling at a light shortly after a
refill/reset. Turning off the engine at longer stops clearly makes a
difference.

What average mpg reading? My 2004 Highlander dosn\'t have any
cool features like that.

My 2004 Sienna does.

 

[Rod Speed]

On Tue, 06 Jun 2023 20:56:54 +1000, me <me@inter.webz> wrote:

On 6/5/2023 11:40 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:

Start stop is pointless, it saves fuck all petrol to turn the engine
off for a minute.

The money you might save on gas you\'ll spend replacing the starter motor.

Fantasy.

 

[Rod Speed]

On Tue, 06 Jun 2023 21:31:13 +1000, devnull <devnull@alt.home.repair>
wrote:

On 6/6/2023 7:22 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 06/06/2023 11:56, me wrote:
On 6/5/2023 11:40 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:


Start stop is pointless, it saves fuck all petrol to turn the engine
off for a minute.

The money you might save on gas you\'ll spend replacing the starter
motor.
As usual kinsey is exactly wrong, as are you


The more you use the starter, the sooner it will wear out.

Bullshit

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 2:43:33 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:

On Tue, 6 Jun 2023 16:35:24 -0000 (UTC), nib <ne...@ingram-bromley.co.uk> wrote:
On Tue, 06 Jun 2023 15:17:24 +0100, SteveW wrote:
On 06/06/2023 10:05, NY wrote:
\"Commander Kinsey\" <C...@nospam.com> wrote in message newsp.153lw....@ryzen.home...
On Thu, 20 Apr 2023 23:56:02 +0100, SteveW <st...@walker-family.me.uk> wrote:

The French can cook and make wine but shouldn\'t be allowed to design cars.

By the same kind of logic, Americans shouldn\'t be allowed to design electronics. I\'ve seen some remarkably horrible examples of American electronic design. They aren\'t the only nation that has poor quality designers. but if any citizen doing badly is enough to let you write off the rest, you\'ve definitely sent enough crap overseas to justify a ban.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Peeler]

On Wed, 07 Jun 2023 10:35:27 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin\'s latest trollshit unread>

--
Kerr-Mudd,John addressing the auto-contradicting senile cretin:
\"Auto-contradictor Rod is back! (in the KF)\"
MID: <XnsA97071CF43E3Fadmin127001@85.214.115.223>

 

[Peeler]

On Wed, 07 Jun 2023 10:27:34 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin\'s latest trollshit unread>

--
Sqwertz to Rodent Speed:
\"This is just a hunch, but I\'m betting you\'re kinda an argumentative
asshole.
MID: <ev1p6ml7ywd5$.dlg@sqwertz.com>

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sun, 30 Apr 2023 08:15:43 +0100, Ian Jackson <ianREMOVETHISjackson@g3ohx.co.uk> wrote:

In message <kafv8jF6vi1U22@mid.individual.net>, rbowman
bowman@montana.com> writes
On Fri, 21 Apr 2023 13:11:37 +0100, Max Demian wrote:

On 21/04/2023 02:31, rbowman wrote:
On Thu, 20 Apr 2023 10:27:04 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Not arf as uneasy as power assisted brakes that lose power assistance.

Ever drive a car with mechanical brakes? It\'s a good thing they could
go all that fast.

Do you mean hydraulic but not power assisted? The hydraulics have a
different \"gearing\" (I don\'t know the proper word) so the force you have
to apply is still reasonable. I had a Mk I Escort like that. It had drum
brakes all round too. OK, but if you went through a puddle (or just
drove it in heavy rain) water would get into the drums and I would have
to go along with my left foot on the brake pedal to dry it out.

No, I meant drum brakes operated by rods:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zk-0tIAfWQ

Probably because of licensing fees Ford was one of the last manufacturers
to go to hydraulic brakes in 1939.

https://theoldmotor.com/?p=66209

My 1954 Ford Prefect

That was a car? I thought it was a character in Hitchhiker\'s Guide to the Galaxy.

 

[Ian Jackson]

In message <op.157deziqmvhs6z@ryzen.home>, Commander Kinsey
<CK1@nospam.com> writes

On Sun, 30 Apr 2023 08:15:43 +0100, Ian Jackson
ianREMOVETHISjackson@g3ohx.co.uk> wrote:

In message <kafv8jF6vi1U22@mid.individual.net>, rbowman
bowman@montana.com> writes
On Fri, 21 Apr 2023 13:11:37 +0100, Max Demian wrote:

On 21/04/2023 02:31, rbowman wrote:
On Thu, 20 Apr 2023 10:27:04 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Not arf as uneasy as power assisted brakes that lose power assistance.

Ever drive a car with mechanical brakes? It\'s a good thing they could
go all that fast.

Do you mean hydraulic but not power assisted? The hydraulics have a
different \"gearing\" (I don\'t know the proper word) so the force you have
to apply is still reasonable. I had a Mk I Escort like that. It had drum
brakes all round too. OK, but if you went through a puddle (or just
drove it in heavy rain) water would get into the drums and I would have
to go along with my left foot on the brake pedal to dry it out.

No, I meant drum brakes operated by rods:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zk-0tIAfWQ

Probably because of licensing fees Ford was one of the last manufacturers
to go to hydraulic brakes in 1939.

https://theoldmotor.com/?p=66209

My 1954 Ford Prefect

That was a car? I thought it was a character in Hitchhiker\'s Guide to
the Galaxy.

https://www.classiccarsforsale.co.uk/ford/prefect
Mine was the 1953 model.
Despite Henry Ford telling buyers that they \"could have any colour -
provided it was black\", mine was Honey Beige.
--
Ian
Aims and ambitions are neither attainments nor achievements

 

[Ian Jackson]

In message <AKV6$eA4+XgkFwak@brattleho.plus.com>, Ian Jackson
<ianREMOVETHISjackson@g3ohx.co.uk> writes

In message <op.157deziqmvhs6z@ryzen.home>, Commander Kinsey
CK1@nospam.com> writes


My 1954 Ford Prefect

That was a car? I thought it was a character in Hitchhiker\'s Guide to
the Galaxy.

https://www.classiccarsforsale.co.uk/ford/prefect
Mine was the 1953 model.
Despite Henry Ford telling buyers that they \"could have any colour -
provided it was black\", mine was Honey Beige.

This type.......
https://www.classiccarsforsale.co.uk/ford/prefect/339123

--
Ian
Aims and ambitions are neither attainments nor achievements

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 17:27:04 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 14:36:49 +0200, \"Carlos E.R.\"
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-04-19 14:12, Theo wrote:
In uk.d-i-y Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
Interesting.

How does it work, you foot the brake pedal, and the car decides whether
to apply the actual brakes or generator mode?

In general yes. The car will decide whether to use regen or friction
brakes. For example mostly regen if the battery can take it, but at low
speeds friction might be used for the last few mph down to zero where regen
is weak. Also in an emergency stop both might be used.

What happens when you release the accelerator pedal? Does it just coast
along, or does it apply \"engine brake\" as in a gasoline car?

That\'s called \'one pedal driving\', and on many EVs you can adjust the
retardation (regen) in a number of steps from coasting through to quite
aggressive braking. Coasting is more like a regular transmission where you
have to use the brake pedal, whereas with higher levels you can drive with
accelerator alone.

By \"regular transmission\" you mean \"automatic\"?

Most cars here have a manual transmission,

where\'s that?

and on those the (gasoline)
car brakes somewhat when the accelerator pedal is released. We use that
to maintain the speed when going down long slopes, instead of using the
brake. If we need more brake action, we shift to a lower gear.

My wife and kid threatened to divorce me if I got one more
manual-transmission car. They couldn\'t drive a manual on the hills
here.

I got an Audi with the 6-speed automatic, but it\'s the Borg Warner
dual-clutch transmission without a torque converter. It has two gear
trains, odd and even, and switches between them. I grudgingly admit
that they were right. But it does have good engine braking on long
downhills, and I can manually select any of the 6 gears if I want to.
It\'s incremental, like a motorcycle.

It also has the gadget that locks the brakes if you stop on a steep
uphill, so it doesn\'t roll back and crash the car behind you.

All automatics do that.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Thu, 20 Apr 2023 02:33:33 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 09:27:04 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

My wife and kid threatened to divorce me if I got one more
manual-transmission car. They couldn\'t drive a manual on the hills here.

iirc part of the driving test was starting on a hill.

And yet here they made a chicane (jutting out sidewalk to \"calm\" traffic) on a blind bend on a steep hill, and gave priority to those going uphill. When I pointed out the downhill folk might not stop quickly enough in winter, I was told they didn\'t want to inconvenience people doing a hill start. When I said that was in the test, I got no reply.