Only one EV charger at home?!...

[Commander Kinsey]

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 13:53:01 +0100, Andrew <Andrew97d@btinternet.com> wrote:

On 17/04/2023 23:45, SteveW wrote:
On 17/04/2023 18:29, Theo wrote:
In uk.d-i-y SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk> wrote:
On 17/04/2023 10:19, Theo wrote:
So there isn\'t a problem of busting your supply, assuming everything is
installed right.

My charger has no current sensing. It can operate co-operatively, but
only if your other charger(s) are the same make and model.

I think an electrician will only put one without current sensing if your
installation meets the usual diversity calculation. eg if the charger is
32A it\'s assumed to be running continuously at that current. That leaves
68A for the rest of the installation on a 100A feed. It\'s also
possible to
configure the charger at installation time to only supply eg 25A if
that\'s
all remaining after diversity.

The trouble is that we are getting more and more away from simply plug
and charge, needing to use multiple apps for car, charger and
electricity provider, possibly with 3rd party apps and relying upon them
all working together smoothly.

Agreed, \'apps\' are a car crash of interoperability. They all want to
corral
you into their little walled garden where you can\'t do very much.
Thankfully there are also APIs that allow platforms to communicate,
although
remains to be seen how long these stay working.

Personally I wouldn\'t buy anything without local control. But then I\'m
resigned to running a Home Assistant instance to glue it all together.

Unfortunately, it\'s just what we got - we weren\'t buying, as the car is
leased and the charger fitted for free. Fortunately the lease is at a
much lower rate than a normal lease, as it is through Motability. If it
was at full rate, we\'d have been buying a second-hand petrol car.

But you seem to be using it for daily commuting, which looks
like an abuse of the motability scheme !

The government steals from us, so we should steal from them.

> Isn\'t it insured for only your wife to use ?.

Who gives a fuck about insurance? I was actually told by the police on a routine stop I didn\'t have business insurance to sell stuff door to door. But they didn\'t give a shit. They said the insurance might refuse to pay out. I said \"oh dear\". I mean seriously? Why would I be more likely to have an accident because there are products in the back?

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 15:52:00 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 05:27:20 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 21:14:56 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 19:14:54 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 18/04/2023 16:40, John Larkin wrote:
Strange that there is a perceived safety issue. The auto shutoffs are
smarter than the average citizen.

No, they are so stupid that some forecourts are completely unusable.. The
anti-theft in the car tank inlet triggers the auto shutoff.
I no longer use those forecourts

I never have a problem here. Sometimes it takes a second try to get
the latch to hold, but that adds 2 seconds to a fillup.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/04/17/unfit-for-use-more-ev-woes/

Nice pic.

What a fool.

\"A Business Insider reporter learned how “brutal” a road trip in an electric vehicle (EV) can be when he was forced to bundle up instead of using the heater in his car to try to maximize his range.\"

Firstly being chilly isn\'t brutal. I guess he never goes out for a walk, a cycle, uses a motorcycle.

or has a lady friend.

You wanted him to fornicate while driving?

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 10:49:16 +0100, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-04-19 06:29, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 18:18:52 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On 18 Apr 2023 15:04:02 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 11:53:23 +0100, SteveW wrote:

UK pumps cannot be operated unattended. They have the lock-on facility
disabled due to safety legislation.

Filling time is simply wasted time, as you have to stand there and hold
the nozzle.

Back in the \'70s as stations started going to self-service and
the nozzles didn\'t have locks, someone came up with a simple
plastic widget to put on your key ring.

https://www.thegasgripper.com/

The original device was a flat piece of plastic to wedge under the
trigger.

Much more annoying are the \'vapor recovery\' nozzles that have
sort of a spring loaded foreskin that has to be peeled back to
enable flow. They\'re a real joy with a motorcycle tank.
California, of course, perfected the design to be a maximum pita.

It\'s no hassle for a car, and admittedly it forces a motorcyclist to
push the nozzle down to get the air seal.

It does keep a lot of gasoline vapor out of the air.

Never found a bit of vapour to be a problem. And vapor isn\'t a thing.

It is a lot of vapour. If the station is in the middle of the city, you
need getting a special permit, and if you promise to absorb the vapours
you are more likely to get the permit.

Something like 40 litres of explosive vapours per car.

They just blow away, not a problem. It\'s not like you\'re filling indoors.

Anyway, see the floppy plastic ring round them? That stops the vapours.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 20:40:26 +0100, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-04-19 18:41, NY wrote:
On 18/04/2023 22:26, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2023-04-18 06:04, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 04:14:32 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 02:15:23 +0100, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:


And 4 minutes? What are you doing, filling up a lorry? I fill my
50 litre petrol tank in one minute. Tell your garage to get faster
pumps.

I like to wash and squeegee and wipe down my windows while the tank is
filling. That\'s what takes about 4 minutes about every two weeks,
unless I drive up into the mountains. It takes about 3/4 of a tank to
get to Truckee but only 1/2 to get back.

Here, you can not do that. The nozzle switches off if you take your
hand off.

When did petrol pumps in the UK disable the trigger-lock which allowed
you to take you hand off the holster and let the pump switch itself off?
remember when I was little in the 1970s, one attendant would fill
several cars concurrently, flitting between pumps to turn each pump off
just before the fuel overflowed - I don\'t think auto-shutoff was as
common in those days.

Was the trigger-lock phased out around the time that serve-yourself
petrol/diesel pumps became available and attended service ceased to exist?

I can see in the hoses that the lock was actually removed, there remains
the holes for it in the metal.

I\'ve only seen one attended-service pump in the last decade or so, and
it\'s in the next village to me. There are big notices on it \"Attended
service only\". They\'ve just had new pumps installed, so it\'s not as if
they are using ancient equipment and have never upgraded.

My lady friend never goes to self service gas stations. There are a few
places here that are attendant only.

Why is she scared of using petrol?

They tend to be a bit more expensive than supermarket diesel and other
(serve-yourself) garages, so they only time I use them is to buy a
jerry-can of unleaded for the mower, because they are the closest garage
to me.

Since I\'m only buying 15 litres at a time, the attendant always keeps
hold of the trigger, so I don\'t know whether those pumps have the
trigger-lock enabled since only trained staff (and not the punters) will
be using the pumps.

4 minutes to fill your tank. I tend to run my tank fairly low, so I\'m
often buying close to the maximum of 60 litres, and I\'ve had some pumps
that have taken that sort of time. I don\'t think I\'ve found a pump that
does it in as little as a minute.

I haven\'t timed it recently, my hands are busy and the phone is inside
the car.

You only use one hand to hold the nozzle. Or you could count?

Are diesel pumps generally faster or
slower than unleaded pumps? Is one type of fuel more likely than the
other to foam up if the fuel is pumped too quickly?

Yes, diesel does foam. The diesel nozzle is wider, too.

I\'ve never had foam when filling a diesel car.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 11:57:12 +0100, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk> wrote:

On 18/04/2023 10:32, Paul wrote:
On 4/18/2023 12:04 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 04:14:32 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 02:15:23 +0100, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 23:46:35 +0100, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk
wrote:

On 17/04/2023 19:33, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 17:50:00 +0100, SteveW
steve@walker-family.me.uk
wrote:

On 17/04/2023 10:19, Theo wrote:
In uk.d-i-y SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk> wrote:
That\'s the problem. The 100A (or lower) supply is based on the
assumption of relatively short duration peak load and longer
periods of
partial load, not long, large, continuous loads.

Car chargers run for many hours at a time, so two or three of
those,
plus washing machine and tumble dryer (moved to night time for
a cheaper
tariff), electric heaters, immersion heater and the possibility
of the
electric oven and hob (according to my son, it\'s not unusual for
households with students to be baking cakes at 4am, after the
night-club!), plus someone getting up early and using the 10kW
electric
shower and you have a load that the supply cable was never
meant to take
continuously, plus a higher than normal peak to an already
stressed supply.

EV chargers can be configured to sense the total load being
offered by the
property. If the supply is 100A then the charger can throttle
back the
current being taken by the car so it stays within the 100A
envelope.
Somebody turns on the 50A electric shower, the car drops down to
a low
current, once the shower is finished the car ramps up the
current again. If
there are multiple chargers they can be configured not just to
obey this,
but to cooperate in sharing the load: eg charger 1 has priority
over charger
2. That arrangement saves going outside at 3am to unplug one
car and plug
in another.

So there isn\'t a problem of busting your supply, assuming
everything is
installed right.

My charger has no current sensing. It can operate co-operatively,
but
only if your other charger(s) are the same make and model.

As well as that, if every house has something along those
lines, the
entire street supply will be over-stretched.

That I agree is more of a problem. I expect we\'ll start to see
tariffs that
encourage load shedding at times of high local demand (eg
cooperation
between local cars to stagger their charging times), especially
since the
miles people do in the average day might only require a few
hours of
charging. Such already exist for national demand.

The trouble is that we are getting more and more away from simply
plug
and charge, needing to use multiple apps for car, charger and
electricity provider, possibly with 3rd party apps and relying
upon them
all working together smoothly.

I already find it a minor irritation that, on getting home, I
have to
get out of the car, without locking it (or the charge flap will
also be
locked), which leaves lights, radio and dash on; plug in; then
lock the
car; then use the charger app to set charging and the car\'s own
app if I
want to monitor charge state. That\'s before we introduce a 3rd
app to
allow the car to charge at lower demand times, rather than a
fixed period.

Gas stations don\'t make me do all that. I can even go inside and pay
cash.

But you do have to go to the gas station and not just park up on your
driveway at the end of the day.

I park on the street.

People here park on the street and just run a cable over the pavement.

I\'m lucky that I can usually park in front of my house, but that\'s not
guaranteed.

On street cleaning days, I park on another street. Envision a 500 foot
charging cable.



Two gas stations are close to home and I can wash the windows while
the tank fills up; all that takes about 4 minutes. I never have to
wait for a pump to be available.

If you\'re talking about a petrol pump and not an electric charger,
WTF are you doing leaving it filling unattended? That\'s how this
shit happens:
https://media1.fdncms.com/orlando/imager/u/original/2826553/16832059_1350121135027085_3513683467753433350_n.jpg

Somehow I\'ve never done that. Electric car owners are the ones who
leave their cars unattended while they charge, because it takes so
long.

There are inductive chargers. At maybe 85% efficiency. They
vary by the distance they work at. That\'s a style of home charger,
where the owner can drive off and no harm done.

There are various formats of battery trailer.


https://newatlas.com/outdoors/tesla-range-boosting-electric-teardrop-trailer/

In Quebec, the auto association there has a couple Ioniq 5 capable
of giving other cars a boost charge. Enough charge must be left
in the AA vehicle for it to \"return to base\". They use V2L kit. The purpose
of this, is getting you a couple miles to the nearest charging station,
rather than loading 300 miles of range into a car at a pitiful rate.
It will be interesting to see where V2L goes.

Our EV is documented as permitting 2kW V2L, however people have tested
it and found that it can deliver 6.7kW. If that can be safely sustained,
it would be viable for getting just enough into a friend\'s or family
member\'s car, in a reasonable time.

That is not reasonable. 7kW is a trickle charge for overnight purposes. Decent EVs can power your house, why can\'t they charge a car?

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 16:32:43 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 05:32:35 -0400, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid
wrote:

On 4/18/2023 12:04 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 04:14:32 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 02:15:23 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 23:46:35 +0100, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk
wrote:

On 17/04/2023 19:33, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 17:50:00 +0100, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk
wrote:

On 17/04/2023 10:19, Theo wrote:
In uk.d-i-y SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk> wrote:
That\'s the problem. The 100A (or lower) supply is based on the
assumption of relatively short duration peak load and longer periods of
partial load, not long, large, continuous loads.

Car chargers run for many hours at a time, so two or three of those,
plus washing machine and tumble dryer (moved to night time for a cheaper
tariff), electric heaters, immersion heater and the possibility of the
electric oven and hob (according to my son, it\'s not unusual for
households with students to be baking cakes at 4am, after the
night-club!), plus someone getting up early and using the 10kW electric
shower and you have a load that the supply cable was never meant to take
continuously, plus a higher than normal peak to an already stressed supply.

EV chargers can be configured to sense the total load being offered by the
property. If the supply is 100A then the charger can throttle back the
current being taken by the car so it stays within the 100A envelope.
Somebody turns on the 50A electric shower, the car drops down to a low
current, once the shower is finished the car ramps up the current again. If
there are multiple chargers they can be configured not just to obey this,
but to cooperate in sharing the load: eg charger 1 has priority over charger
2. That arrangement saves going outside at 3am to unplug one car and plug
in another.

So there isn\'t a problem of busting your supply, assuming everything is
installed right.

My charger has no current sensing. It can operate co-operatively, but
only if your other charger(s) are the same make and model.

As well as that, if every house has something along those lines, the
entire street supply will be over-stretched.

That I agree is more of a problem. I expect we\'ll start to see tariffs that
encourage load shedding at times of high local demand (eg cooperation
between local cars to stagger their charging times), especially since the
miles people do in the average day might only require a few hours of
charging. Such already exist for national demand.

The trouble is that we are getting more and more away from simply plug
and charge, needing to use multiple apps for car, charger and
electricity provider, possibly with 3rd party apps and relying upon them
all working together smoothly.

I already find it a minor irritation that, on getting home, I have to
get out of the car, without locking it (or the charge flap will also be
locked), which leaves lights, radio and dash on; plug in; then lock the
car; then use the charger app to set charging and the car\'s own app if I
want to monitor charge state. That\'s before we introduce a 3rd app to
allow the car to charge at lower demand times, rather than a fixed period.

Gas stations don\'t make me do all that. I can even go inside and pay
cash.

But you do have to go to the gas station and not just park up on your
driveway at the end of the day.

I park on the street.

People here park on the street and just run a cable over the pavement.

I\'m lucky that I can usually park in front of my house, but that\'s not
guaranteed.

On street cleaning days, I park on another street. Envision a 500 foot
charging cable.



Two gas stations are close to home and I can wash the windows while
the tank fills up; all that takes about 4 minutes. I never have to
wait for a pump to be available.

If you\'re talking about a petrol pump and not an electric charger, WTF are you doing leaving it filling unattended? That\'s how this shit happens: https://media1.fdncms.com/orlando/imager/u/original/2826553/16832059_1350121135027085_3513683467753433350_n.jpg

Somehow I\'ve never done that. Electric car owners are the ones who
leave their cars unattended while they charge, because it takes so
long.

There are inductive chargers. At maybe 85% efficiency. They
vary by the distance they work at. That\'s a style of home charger,
where the owner can drive off and no harm done.

There are various formats of battery trailer.

https://newatlas.com/outdoors/tesla-range-boosting-electric-teardrop-trailer/

In Quebec, the auto association there has a couple Ioniq 5 capable
of giving other cars a boost charge. Enough charge must be left
in the AA vehicle for it to \"return to base\". They use V2L kit. The purpose
of this, is getting you a couple miles to the nearest charging station,
rather than loading 300 miles of range into a car at a pitiful rate.
This is roughly the equivalent of the smallest red plastic petrol can
at the hardware store, in terms of practical capacity. It\'s intended
to take the place of towing, especially when some cars don\'t have good
tow characteristics. For the AA this is an \"experiment\", rather than
a commitment to BEV owners. They\'re seeing how much it sucks.

https://ev-lectron.com/en-ca/products/lectron-v2l-adapter-compatible-with-hyundai-ioniq-5-vehicle-to-load-adapter-power-your-devices-with-your-ioniq-5-black-1-pack

This was the previous device of interest. It\'s unclear this is in production though.

https://europe.autonews.com/blogs/french-startup-uses-battery-trailers-cure-ev-range-angst

https://eptender.com/en/battery-tender-2-2/

There are \"city cars\" (the Not-A-Car category), that as a concept, have
a removable battery pack in them. One of them, cost only $6,000 but
would not be useful/valid for my entire city (capped speed limiter). This
one though, for some reason, is able to operate on 80km/hr roads, so could
be driven here. It depends on country regulation, as to whether there is a category for
these or not. There is a particular eBike which costs $12,000 and yet
someone was able to make a four wheel car-like vehicle for $6,000. The
Yoyo is unlikely to be a $6,000 vehicle, because it\'s a little too capable
for that class. It\'s almost usable.

https://www.actualidadmotor.com/en/making-contact-with-the-xev-yoyo/

The packaging still needs a re-do on that thing, but eventually
they\'ll get these city cars fixed up enough, to allow people without
a driveway, to have an electric cart.

What\'s interesting about the city cars, is the pricing, rather
than the capabilities. It shows how much effect that impact resistance
and endless bullshit safety features have on vehicles. It\'s an attempt
at an end-run around regulation. And it\'s the only style I know of,
where people are experimenting with battery packs you can take in the house.

Yikes. Battery packs catch fire.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/lithium-ion-battery-blamed-yet-another-fast-moving-fire-nyc-officials-rcna73566

and a car-size pack will be a lot worse than a scooter battery.

People using Li Ion in their house are fools. Lead Acid is a tried and tested chemistry at a SEVENTH of the price. The extra weight doesn\'t matter if it\'s at home. And don\'t say you can\'t deep discharge them. You can run a deep cycle leisure battery completely flat 220 times and it only loses 20% capacity. Not like the old car batteries where a few times and it was dead.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 07:09:01 +0100, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 18/04/2023 22:29, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2023-04-18 18:49, Scott Lurndal wrote:
John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> writes:
On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 05:32:35 -0400, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid
wrote:

What\'s interesting about the city cars, is the pricing, rather
than the capabilities. It shows how much effect that impact resistance
and endless bullshit safety features have on vehicles. It\'s an attempt
at an end-run around regulation. And it\'s the only style I know of,
where people are experimenting with battery packs you can take in
the house.

Yikes. Battery packs catch fire.

So do gas powered vehicles, at a much higher rate per 1000 vehicles.

(0.3% for ev, 1.05% for gas cars).

Yeah. Don\'t buy an American gasoline car, they explode every time they
crash.

Seen on the movies PPP

At least gas cars don\'t generally go up in flames sitting in your drive
switched off.

Better to go up in flames when you\'re not in it and travelling at speed.

Oh wait, they don\'t go at speed. Am I right in thinking 80mph is about the most you get from a non-sporty EV? My 21 year old Renault petrol car goes 120mph (albeit with a worrying smell and vibration).

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 21:37:59 +0100, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-04-19 22:03, Scott Lurndal wrote:
\"Carlos E.R.\" <robin_listas@es.invalid> writes:
On 2023-04-19 16:47, Sam E wrote:
On 4/18/23 16:29, Carlos E.R. wrote:

[snip]

Yeah. Don\'t buy an American gasoline car, they explode every time they
crash.

Seen on the movies PPP

Mythbusters tested that. In order to get the car to explode, they had to
put a bomb in it.

I\'d like to see that one :-DD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pm5YPhbXgZg


Oh, but the video stops before it explodes! X\'-D

Yip, what the fuck was the point in that?

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Thu, 20 Apr 2023 03:12:21 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 08:58:10 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

Why do people build houses with flat roofs in snow country?

In some cases the original design anticipated enough heat loss to melt the
snow off the roof. And then they insulated the attic.

Fucking treehuggers.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Thu, 20 Apr 2023 03:22:36 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 23:54:43 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

An arse being what you sit on.

Something you stole from your German betters, Arschloch.

I\'m a Nazi, you don\'t need to tell me Germans are better.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Thu, 20 Apr 2023 02:54:21 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 23:43:54 +0100, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk
wrote:

On 18/04/2023 16:40, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 11:53:23 +0100, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk
wrote:

On 18/04/2023 05:04, John Larkin wrote:
I like to wash and squeegee and wipe down my windows while the tank is
filling. That\'s what takes about 4 minutes about every two weeks,
unless I drive up into the mountains. It takes about 3/4 of a tank to
get to Truckee but only 1/2 to get back.

UK pumps cannot be operated unattended. They have the lock-on facility
disabled due to safety legislation.

Strange that there is a perceived safety issue. The auto shutoffs are
smarter than the average citizen.

There are plenty of videos online of failing to release and pouring
petrol all over the forecourt or drivers driving off with the nozzle
still left in the filler, snapping hoses off or even pulling pumps over.

We don\'t have \"forecourts\". They sound hazardous.

No, you have yards with grass on them. You fucked up the language good and proper.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Thu, 20 Apr 2023 03:06:04 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 23:53:39 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 19:49:12 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 18:38:37 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> writes:
On 19 Apr 2023 15:00:56 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 07:10:34 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 19/04/2023 01:35, rbowman wrote:
On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 23:59:05 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

So the filling isn\'t 4 minutes? I think it\'s a litre a second in the
UK. Hardly slow enough to want to wander off. By the time I\'d walked
to the other end of the car and back it would be full.

By law in the US the maximum rate is 10 US gallons per minute (37.9
liters). As I stood in a snow squall this afternoon, 8.2 gallons took
forever.

I see that UTAH has had record snowfall this year. 50ft deep in the
mountains, extreme avalanche danger.

\"Our children just wont know what snow is\" etc..

At least in this valley we haven\'t had a lot of depth but the shit started
in early November

Fortunately for us, it snows nice clean white stuff here. You can even
eat it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpNn1nht0_8

So many guys think and talk compulsively about pee and poop... all the
time.

I think that\'s strange.

So many Americans can\'t bring themselves to say the word SHIT or EXCREMENT and say \"poop\".

If there is excrement to be dealt with, I\'ll call it excrement. But I
don\'t use the words constantly, out of context, which a lot of people
here do.

Shit has many meanings, one is excrement, one is \"not very good at all\".

Snow is white, excrement isn\'t.

In the UK, \"poop\" is something you\'d hear a 3 year old say - \"I need to poop!\"

It\'s not a bad word. It\'s more polite than SHIT (shouted, in all
caps.)

It\'s babyish.

Strange how many men shout that constantly, but I\'ve never met a woman
who does.

Women are soft. I prefer the kind who say FUCK all the time.

I has a girlfriend who said \"oh corrode\" when she was upset. That was
sort of cute.

No, it\'s pathetic.

 

[Ed Lee]

On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 4:31:56 PM UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 11:57:12 +0100, SteveW <st...@walker-family.me.uk> wrote:

On 18/04/2023 10:32, Paul wrote:
On 4/18/2023 12:04 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 04:14:32 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
C...@nospam.com> wrote:

On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 02:15:23 +0100, John Larkin
jla...@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 23:46:35 +0100, SteveW <st...@walker-family.me.uk
wrote:

On 17/04/2023 19:33, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 17:50:00 +0100, SteveW
st...@walker-family.me.uk
wrote:

On 17/04/2023 10:19, Theo wrote:
In uk.d-i-y SteveW <st...@walker-family.me.uk> wrote:
That\'s the problem. The 100A (or lower) supply is based on the
assumption of relatively short duration peak load and longer
periods of
partial load, not long, large, continuous loads.

Car chargers run for many hours at a time, so two or three of
those,
plus washing machine and tumble dryer (moved to night time for
a cheaper
tariff), electric heaters, immersion heater and the possibility
of the
electric oven and hob (according to my son, it\'s not unusual for
households with students to be baking cakes at 4am, after the
night-club!), plus someone getting up early and using the 10kW
electric
shower and you have a load that the supply cable was never
meant to take
continuously, plus a higher than normal peak to an already
stressed supply.

EV chargers can be configured to sense the total load being
offered by the
property. If the supply is 100A then the charger can throttle
back the
current being taken by the car so it stays within the 100A
envelope.
Somebody turns on the 50A electric shower, the car drops down to
a low
current, once the shower is finished the car ramps up the
current again. If
there are multiple chargers they can be configured not just to
obey this,
but to cooperate in sharing the load: eg charger 1 has priority
over charger
2. That arrangement saves going outside at 3am to unplug one
car and plug
in another.

So there isn\'t a problem of busting your supply, assuming
everything is
installed right.

My charger has no current sensing. It can operate co-operatively,
but
only if your other charger(s) are the same make and model.

As well as that, if every house has something along those
lines, the
entire street supply will be over-stretched.

That I agree is more of a problem. I expect we\'ll start to see
tariffs that
encourage load shedding at times of high local demand (eg
cooperation
between local cars to stagger their charging times), especially
since the
miles people do in the average day might only require a few
hours of
charging. Such already exist for national demand.

The trouble is that we are getting more and more away from simply
plug
and charge, needing to use multiple apps for car, charger and
electricity provider, possibly with 3rd party apps and relying
upon them
all working together smoothly.

I already find it a minor irritation that, on getting home, I
have to
get out of the car, without locking it (or the charge flap will
also be
locked), which leaves lights, radio and dash on; plug in; then
lock the
car; then use the charger app to set charging and the car\'s own
app if I
want to monitor charge state. That\'s before we introduce a 3rd
app to
allow the car to charge at lower demand times, rather than a
fixed period.

Gas stations don\'t make me do all that. I can even go inside and pay
cash.

But you do have to go to the gas station and not just park up on your
driveway at the end of the day.

I park on the street.

People here park on the street and just run a cable over the pavement.

I\'m lucky that I can usually park in front of my house, but that\'s not
guaranteed.

On street cleaning days, I park on another street. Envision a 500 foot
charging cable.



Two gas stations are close to home and I can wash the windows while
the tank fills up; all that takes about 4 minutes. I never have to
wait for a pump to be available.

If you\'re talking about a petrol pump and not an electric charger,
WTF are you doing leaving it filling unattended? That\'s how this
shit happens:
https://media1.fdncms.com/orlando/imager/u/original/2826553/16832059_1350121135027085_3513683467753433350_n.jpg

Somehow I\'ve never done that. Electric car owners are the ones who
leave their cars unattended while they charge, because it takes so
long.

There are inductive chargers. At maybe 85% efficiency. They
vary by the distance they work at. That\'s a style of home charger,
where the owner can drive off and no harm done.

There are various formats of battery trailer.


https://newatlas.com/outdoors/tesla-range-boosting-electric-teardrop-trailer/

In Quebec, the auto association there has a couple Ioniq 5 capable
of giving other cars a boost charge. Enough charge must be left
in the AA vehicle for it to \"return to base\". They use V2L kit. The purpose
of this, is getting you a couple miles to the nearest charging station,
rather than loading 300 miles of range into a car at a pitiful rate.
It will be interesting to see where V2L goes.

Here in CA, AAA is 5 miles towing, AAA+ is 100 miles, AAA++ can go 200 miles.

5 miles are useless. When a charger go dead, next one is usually 20 to 30 miles away. Don\'t leave home without AAA+.

Our EV is documented as permitting 2kW V2L, however people have tested
it and found that it can deliver 6.7kW. If that can be safely sustained,
it would be viable for getting just enough into a friend\'s or family
member\'s car, in a reasonable time.

That is not reasonable. 7kW is a trickle charge for overnight purposes. Decent EVs can power your house, why can\'t they charge a car?

The V2L kit plug into the J1772 part of the charging port only, not the DC port. The AC wirings are limited to 20A to 30A.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Fri, 21 Apr 2023 06:22:49 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Thu, 20 Apr 2023 02:28:31 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Thu, 20 Apr 2023 01:17:02 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 23:58:58 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

Including police. Mind you an American policeman has an average IQ of
only 104.

That\'s 20 points higher than most of those he deals with.

Kafirs? I gather there\'s an orangutan or similar with 80. Nigerians
are 65. This conclusively proves some of us devolved not evolved from
apes.

We have our share of mentally challenged whites.

They\'re usually the ones who think blacks should have equal rights. Maybe they\'re actually bleached blacks?

No excuse for being that low though. Police ought te be 120+.

Why? Despite all the TV dramas a day in the life of most cops is boring
routine. The smart ones move up in the ranks but you still need the rank
and file. In any case IQ doesn\'t correlate well with dealing with people.

They need basic common sense to do their job. The current lot fail terribly. But it does mean they\'re easy to outsmart. I\'ve got away with a lot of crime.

 

[Fredxx]

On 16/05/2023 00:31, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 16:32:43 +0100, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 05:32:35 -0400, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid
wrote:

On 4/18/2023 12:04 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 04:14:32 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 02:15:23 +0100, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 23:46:35 +0100, SteveW
steve@walker-family.me.uk
wrote:

On 17/04/2023 19:33, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 17:50:00 +0100, SteveW
steve@walker-family.me.uk
wrote:

On 17/04/2023 10:19, Theo wrote:
In uk.d-i-y SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk> wrote:
That\'s the problem. The 100A (or lower) supply is based on the
assumption of relatively short duration peak load and longer
periods of
partial load, not long, large, continuous loads.

Car chargers run for many hours at a time, so two or three of
those,
plus washing machine and tumble dryer (moved to night time
for a cheaper
tariff), electric heaters, immersion heater and the
possibility of the
electric oven and hob (according to my son, it\'s not unusual for
households with students to be baking cakes at 4am, after the
night-club!), plus someone getting up early and using the
10kW electric
shower and you have a load that the supply cable was never
meant to take
continuously, plus a higher than normal peak to an already
stressed supply.

EV chargers can be configured to sense the total load being
offered by the
property.  If the supply is 100A then the charger can throttle
back the
current being taken by the car so it stays within the 100A
envelope.
Somebody turns on the 50A electric shower, the car drops down
to a low
current, once the shower is finished the car ramps up the
current again.  If
there are multiple chargers they can be configured not just to
obey this,
but to cooperate in sharing the load: eg charger 1 has
priority over charger
2.  That arrangement saves going outside at 3am to unplug one
car and plug
in another.

So there isn\'t a problem of busting your supply, assuming
everything is
installed right.

My charger has no current sensing. It can operate
co-operatively, but
only if your other charger(s) are the same make and model.

As well as that, if every house has something along those
lines, the
entire street supply will be over-stretched.

That I agree is more of a problem.  I expect we\'ll start to
see tariffs that
encourage load shedding at times of high local demand (eg
cooperation
between local cars to stagger their charging times),
especially since the
miles people do in the average day might only require a few
hours of
charging. Such already exist for national demand.

The trouble is that we are getting more and more away from
simply plug
and charge, needing to use multiple apps for car, charger and
electricity provider, possibly with 3rd party apps and relying
upon them
all working together smoothly.

I already find it a minor irritation that, on getting home, I
have to
get out of the car, without locking it (or the charge flap will
also be
locked), which leaves lights, radio and dash on; plug in; then
lock the
car; then use the charger app to set charging and the car\'s own
app if I
want to monitor charge state. That\'s before we introduce a 3rd
app to
allow the car to charge at lower demand times, rather than a
fixed period.

Gas stations don\'t make me do all that. I can even go inside and
pay
cash.

But you do have to go to the gas station and not just park up on
your
driveway at the end of the day.

I park on the street.

People here park on the street and just run a cable over the pavement.

I\'m lucky that I can usually park in front of my house, but that\'s not
guaranteed.

On street cleaning days, I park on another street. Envision a 500 foot
charging cable.



Two gas stations are close to home and I can wash the windows while
the tank fills up; all that takes about 4 minutes. I never have to
wait for a pump to be available.

If you\'re talking about a petrol pump and not an electric charger,
WTF are you doing leaving it filling unattended?  That\'s how this
shit happens:
https://media1.fdncms.com/orlando/imager/u/original/2826553/16832059_1350121135027085_3513683467753433350_n.jpg

Somehow I\'ve never done that. Electric car owners are the ones who
leave their cars unattended while they charge, because it takes so
long.

There are inductive chargers. At maybe 85% efficiency. They
vary by the distance they work at. That\'s a style of home charger,
where the owner can drive off and no harm done.

There are various formats of battery trailer.


https://newatlas.com/outdoors/tesla-range-boosting-electric-teardrop-trailer/

In Quebec, the auto association there has a couple Ioniq 5 capable
of giving other cars a boost charge. Enough charge must be left
in the AA vehicle for it to \"return to base\". They use V2L kit. The
purpose
of this, is getting you a couple miles to the nearest charging station,
rather than loading 300 miles of range into a car at a pitiful rate.
This is roughly the equivalent of the smallest red plastic petrol can
at the hardware store, in terms of practical capacity. It\'s intended
to take the place of towing, especially when some cars don\'t have good
tow characteristics. For the AA this is an \"experiment\", rather than
a commitment to BEV owners. They\'re seeing how much it sucks.


https://ev-lectron.com/en-ca/products/lectron-v2l-adapter-compatible-with-hyundai-ioniq-5-vehicle-to-load-adapter-power-your-devices-with-your-ioniq-5-black-1-pack

This was the previous device of interest. It\'s unclear this is in
production though.


https://europe.autonews.com/blogs/french-startup-uses-battery-trailers-cure-ev-range-angst

   https://eptender.com/en/battery-tender-2-2/

There are \"city cars\" (the Not-A-Car category), that as a concept, have
a removable battery pack in them. One of them, cost only $6,000 but
would not be useful/valid for my entire city (capped speed limiter).
This
one though, for some reason, is able to operate on 80km/hr roads, so
could
be driven here. It depends on country regulation, as to whether there
is a category for
these or not. There is a particular eBike which costs $12,000 and yet
someone was able to make a four wheel car-like vehicle for $6,000. The
Yoyo is unlikely to be a $6,000 vehicle, because it\'s a little too
capable
for that class. It\'s almost usable.

https://www.actualidadmotor.com/en/making-contact-with-the-xev-yoyo/

The packaging still needs a re-do on that thing, but eventually
they\'ll get these city cars fixed up enough, to allow people without
a driveway, to have an electric cart.

What\'s interesting about the city cars, is the pricing, rather
than the capabilities. It shows how much effect that impact resistance
and endless bullshit safety features have on vehicles. It\'s an attempt
at an end-run around regulation. And it\'s the only style I know of,
where people are experimenting with battery packs you can take in the
house.

Yikes. Battery packs catch fire.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/lithium-ion-battery-blamed-yet-another-fast-moving-fire-nyc-officials-rcna73566

and a car-size pack will be a lot worse than a scooter battery.

People using Li Ion in their house are fools.  Lead Acid is a tried and
tested chemistry at a SEVENTH of the price.  The extra weight doesn\'t
matter if it\'s at home.  And don\'t say you can\'t deep discharge them.
You can run a deep cycle leisure battery completely flat 220 times and
it only loses 20% capacity.

Like your claim you can spend hours in freezing water, claim to have a
high IQ and a degree (was it in physics or micro-electronic?), this is
another to add to your list of lies.

Not like the old car batteries where a few
times and it was dead.

 

[Fredxx]

On 16/05/2023 01:17, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Thu, 20 Apr 2023 03:06:04 +0100, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 23:53:39 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 19:49:12 +0100, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 18:38:37 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> writes:
On 19 Apr 2023 15:00:56 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 07:10:34 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 19/04/2023 01:35, rbowman wrote:
On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 23:59:05 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

So the filling isn\'t 4 minutes?  I think it\'s a litre a second
in the
UK.  Hardly slow enough to want to wander off.  By the time
I\'d walked
to the other end of the car and back it would be full.

By law in the US the maximum rate is 10 US gallons per minute
(37.9
liters). As I stood in a snow squall this afternoon, 8.2
gallons took
forever.

I see that UTAH has had  record snowfall this year. 50ft deep in
the
mountains, extreme avalanche danger.

\"Our children just wont know what snow is\" etc..

At least in this valley we haven\'t had a lot of depth but the
shit started
in early November

Fortunately for us, it snows nice clean white stuff here. You can
even
eat it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpNn1nht0_8

So many guys think and talk compulsively about pee and poop... all the
time.

I think that\'s strange.

So many Americans can\'t bring themselves to say the word SHIT or
EXCREMENT and say \"poop\".

If there is excrement to be dealt with, I\'ll call it excrement. But I
don\'t use the words constantly, out of context, which a lot of people
here do.

Shit has many meanings, one is excrement, one is \"not very good at all\".

Snow is white, excrement isn\'t.

In the UK, \"poop\" is something you\'d hear a 3 year old say - \"I need
to poop!\"

It\'s not a bad word. It\'s more polite than SHIT (shouted, in all
caps.)

It\'s babyish.

Strange how many men shout that constantly, but I\'ve never met a woman
who does.

Women are soft.  I prefer the kind who say FUCK all the time.

When was the last time you found an obliging lady? It has been suggested
you\'re still a virgin.

I has a girlfriend who said \"oh corrode\" when she was upset. That was
sort of cute.

No, it\'s pathetic.

 

[Peeler]

On Tue, 16 May 2023 01:28:21 +0100, Fredxx, the notorious, troll-feeding,
senile smartass, blathered again:

Like your claim you can spend hours in freezing water, claim to have a
high IQ and a degree (was it in physics or micro-electronic?), this is
another to add to your list of lies.

FFS! He\'s a retarded TROLL and PROVEN clinically insane sociopath and
attention whore! How often are you still going to \"argue\" with him?

 

[Peeler]

On Tue, 16 May 2023 01:30:10 +0100, Fredxx, the notorious, troll-feeding,
senile smartass, blathered again:

Women are soft.  I prefer the kind who say FUCK all the time.

When was the last time you found an obliging lady? It has been suggested
you\'re still a virgin.

You really believe he will answer your \"questions\" with the truth for a
change? LMAO

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Fri, 21 Apr 2023 17:38:01 +0100, Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> wrote:

On 4/19/23 12:36, John Larkin wrote:

[snip]

\"Our children just wont know what snow is\" etc..

At least in this valley we haven\'t had a lot of depth but the shit started
in early November

Fortunately for us, it snows nice clean white stuff here. You can even
eat it.

On the farm, we used to eat snow. In town, it can taste like chemicals.

I ate some cheese yesterday which tasted like white spirit. I assume it had fermented. Didn\'t do me any harm.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Fri, 21 Apr 2023 17:50:14 +0100, Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> wrote:

On 4/19/23 13:05, Commander Kinsey wrote:

[snip]

I love snow and want some. How much including shipping and taxes?

In 2021 (around Valentine\'s day) we had too much snow.

Some things, including snow, you cannot have too much of. Others are money and sex.