Only one EV charger at home?!...

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 01/05/2023 09:57, Martin Brown wrote:

On 30/04/2023 14:54, Tim+ wrote:
Ian Jackson <ianREMOVETHISjackson@g3ohx.co.uk> wrote:

But as has already been referred to, if you pass your test in a manual,
you are also allowed to drive automatics (but not vice versa).

I’ve heard rumour that this is going to change. With the push towards EVs
getting manual cars to sit one’s test in the future will be more
difficult.

Getting manual cars in general has become much more difficult in the UK.
New models in some marques are automatic only for petrol or diesel

Autos are so much better than they used to be that it is probably far
safer for average drivers to use them. And there are a lot of very
average drivers around.

Engines tend to last longer in an auto. You dint tend to use peak RPM so
much.

After all, we let Americans with auto only licences hire manual cars here
don’t we? What could possibly go wrong. ;-)

They probably won\'t even get out of the parking lot if they have never
driven a manual gearbox vehicle before. Too many things to do at once
and the swap to having to use left hand to do gear shifts takes some
getting used to if you are right handed (and vice versa for us driving
in the USA but to a much lesser extent). Using your left hand to do
something precisely like that is harder if you are right handed.

The other way around auto to manual is trivial although you might well
declutch the brake approaching the barrier for the first time.

--
There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale
returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact.

Mark Twain

 

[SteveW]

On 01/05/2023 10:38, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 01/05/2023 09:57, Martin Brown wrote:
On 30/04/2023 14:54, Tim+ wrote:
Ian Jackson <ianREMOVETHISjackson@g3ohx.co.uk> wrote:

But as has already been referred to, if you pass your test in a manual,
you are also allowed to drive automatics (but not vice versa).

I’ve heard rumour that this is going to change. With the push towards
EVs
getting manual cars to sit one’s test in the future will be more
difficult.

Getting manual cars in general has become much more difficult in the UK.
New models in some marques are automatic only for petrol or diesel

Autos are so much better than they used to be that it is probably far
safer for average drivers to use them. And there are a lot of very
average drivers around.

Easier while learning, allowing inept drivers to forget about one task
and concentrate on not failing the test elsewhere. Those that have the
ability to pass in a manual will not only do so, but gear changes become
almost subconscious, so they are no distraction from driving.

 

[Ian Jackson]

In message <u2o1b3$3ivf$3@dont-email.me>, The Natural Philosopher
<tnp@invalid.invalid> writes

Autos are so much better than they used to be that it is probably far
safer for average drivers to use them. And there are a lot of very
average drivers around.

Engines tend to last longer in an auto. You dint tend to use peak RPM
so much.

My style of driving is to get into the highest gear possible as quickly
as possible, while not making the engine labour.

With autos, when accelerating I find that they hang on in the lower
gears for much longer than I\'m used to. I find myself easing off the
acceleration in order to coax it into changing up. Also, when reaching
an upward slope, they change down earlier than I would in a manual. The
general result is that the engine is often revving faster than I feel it
needs to.

--
Ian
Aims and ambitions are neither attainments nor achievements

 

[Mark Lloyd]

On 5/1/23 03:58, Martin Brown wrote:

[snip]

Remembering that \"Green\" traffic lights are officially \"Blue\" in
Japanese is essential to obtaining a pass...

Do you mean the light is actually green but you have to call it blue?

[snip]

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

\"BREAKFAST.COM Halted. Cereal Port Not Responding..\"

 

[Martin Brown]

On 01/05/2023 15:05, Mark Lloyd wrote:

On 5/1/23 03:58, Martin Brown wrote:

[snip]

Remembering that \"Green\" traffic lights are officially \"Blue\" in
Japanese is essential to obtaining a pass...

Do you mean the light is actually green but you have to call it blue?

[snip]

It *is* a slightly more turquoise shade of green than in the West but it
you don\'t answer \"Blue\" (in Japanese) you will fail the test. More here:

https://www.quora.com/Why-is-the-pedestrians-crossing-in-Japan-say-Aoi-which-means-blue-when-the-lights-turn-green-but-uses-Midori-which-means-green-when-describing-other-things-like-forest-etc

--
Martin Brown

 

[Lasse Langwadt Christensen]

mandag den 1. maj 2023 kl. 16.36.12 UTC+2 skrev Martin Brown:

On 01/05/2023 15:05, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 5/1/23 03:58, Martin Brown wrote:

[snip]

Remembering that \"Green\" traffic lights are officially \"Blue\" in
Japanese is essential to obtaining a pass...

Do you mean the light is actually green but you have to call it blue?

[snip]
It *is* a slightly more turquoise shade of green than in the West but it
you don\'t answer \"Blue\" (in Japanese) you will fail the test. More here:

https://www.quora.com/Why-is-the-pedestrians-crossing-in-Japan-say-Aoi-which-means-blue-when-the-lights-turn-green-but-uses-Midori-which-means-green-when-describing-other-things-like-forest-etc

maybe traffic in Japan is just extremely fast making green look blue

 

[SteveW]

On 01/05/2023 15:36, Martin Brown wrote:

On 01/05/2023 15:05, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 5/1/23 03:58, Martin Brown wrote:

[snip]

Remembering that \"Green\" traffic lights are officially \"Blue\" in
Japanese is essential to obtaining a pass...

Do you mean the light is actually green but you have to call it blue?

[snip]

It *is* a slightly more turquoise shade of green than in the West but it
you don\'t answer \"Blue\" (in Japanese) you will fail the test. More here:

https://www.quora.com/Why-is-the-pedestrians-crossing-in-Japan-say-Aoi-which-means-blue-when-the-lights-turn-green-but-uses-Midori-which-means-green-when-describing-other-things-like-forest-etc

I wonder if it has anything to do with history? Either of very early
traffic lights or from the Japanese railways?

On British railways, the old semaphore stop signals had \"spectacle\"
lenses fitted at the pivot end of the arm, so as to show a red or green
light at night. They were originally lit by oil lamps, which had a
yellow flame, so the \"green\" lens was actually blue, so as to emit green
light. Even when the lighting was converted to electric, they continued
to use the blue lens and fitted yellow bulbs for some time.

 

[whit3rd]

On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 6:54:30 AM UTC-7, Tim+ wrote:

Ian Jackson <ianREMOVET...@g3ohx.co.uk> wrote:

But as has already been referred to, if you pass your test in a manual,
you are also allowed to drive automatics (but not vice versa).
I’ve heard rumour that this is going to change. With the push towards EVs
getting manual cars to sit one’s test in the future will be more difficult.

After all, we let Americans with auto only licences hire manual cars here
don’t we? What could possibly go wrong. ;-)

We may never find out; all the rental vehicles are automatic transmission,
in my experience.

 

[Vir Campestris]

On 01/05/2023 09:57, Martin Brown wrote:

The other way around auto to manual is trivial although you might well
declutch the brake approaching the barrier for the first time.

Been there, done that, got the T shirt...

I tuck my left foot under my right when I start off. Well, usually...

Andy

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 04:52:05 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 19:59:00 -0700, Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:

On 4/17/2023 6:15 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 23:46:35 +0100, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk
wrote:

On 17/04/2023 19:33, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 17:50:00 +0100, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk
wrote:

On 17/04/2023 10:19, Theo wrote:
In uk.d-i-y SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk> wrote:
That\'s the problem. The 100A (or lower) supply is based on the
assumption of relatively short duration peak load and longer periods of
partial load, not long, large, continuous loads.

Car chargers run for many hours at a time, so two or three of those,
plus washing machine and tumble dryer (moved to night time for a cheaper
tariff), electric heaters, immersion heater and the possibility of the
electric oven and hob (according to my son, it\'s not unusual for
households with students to be baking cakes at 4am, after the
night-club!), plus someone getting up early and using the 10kW electric
shower and you have a load that the supply cable was never meant to take
continuously, plus a higher than normal peak to an already stressed supply.

EV chargers can be configured to sense the total load being offered by the
property. If the supply is 100A then the charger can throttle back the
current being taken by the car so it stays within the 100A envelope.
Somebody turns on the 50A electric shower, the car drops down to a low
current, once the shower is finished the car ramps up the current again. If
there are multiple chargers they can be configured not just to obey this,
but to cooperate in sharing the load: eg charger 1 has priority over charger
2. That arrangement saves going outside at 3am to unplug one car and plug
in another.

So there isn\'t a problem of busting your supply, assuming everything is
installed right.

My charger has no current sensing. It can operate co-operatively, but
only if your other charger(s) are the same make and model.

As well as that, if every house has something along those lines, the
entire street supply will be over-stretched.

That I agree is more of a problem. I expect we\'ll start to see tariffs that
encourage load shedding at times of high local demand (eg cooperation
between local cars to stagger their charging times), especially since the
miles people do in the average day might only require a few hours of
charging. Such already exist for national demand.

The trouble is that we are getting more and more away from simply plug
and charge, needing to use multiple apps for car, charger and
electricity provider, possibly with 3rd party apps and relying upon them
all working together smoothly.

I already find it a minor irritation that, on getting home, I have to
get out of the car, without locking it (or the charge flap will also be
locked), which leaves lights, radio and dash on; plug in; then lock the
car; then use the charger app to set charging and the car\'s own app if I
want to monitor charge state. That\'s before we introduce a 3rd app to
allow the car to charge at lower demand times, rather than a fixed period.

Gas stations don\'t make me do all that. I can even go inside and pay
cash.

But you do have to go to the gas station and not just park up on your
driveway at the end of the day.

I park on the street.

Two gas stations are close to home and I can wash the windows while
the tank fills up; all that takes about 4 minutes. I never have to
wait for a pump to be available.

On a long trip, I don\'t even think about planning ranges or charge
stops overlapping meals or whatever, or whether I can drive at some
speed or run the heater. All that seems to amuse some people.


You are SUCH a MAN!

Yes, I do have a Y chromosone.

And a 3.2 liter V6!

Wimp. I had a 3.5 litre V8, until I blew it up.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 06:02:05 +0100, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

On 17/04/2023 09:18, Martin Brown wrote:

The local network cables rely on load diversity which can be a source of
trouble when everyone puts the kettle on at half time on a Wembley final
day. It may well spell problems for fast charging cars overnight too
when they become more common.

Modern charges are meant to have a randomised start and end time
facility (of, I believe 10 minutes) so the likelihood of them all
switching at the same time along a street is minimised. It is well known
that humans, when programming timers, say, for central heating, the
majority will set a time on the exact hour, quarter or half hour.

But clocks are inaccurate.

Balancing the network loads when a large number of people are charging
is possibly the reason that is is recommended that charging is limited
to 7.4kW in a domestic property with a single phase supply.

They can\'t limit me. I can take the full 24kW if I want.

The seals were never a problem. Having the right impression on them was.

That wouldn\'t be very difficult to fake if you were so inclined.

The seals on my fuse is blank and this was from the meter change.

Mine are just crimped pieces of lead or whatever. Easy to get on Ebay for a couple of quid.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 11:58:36 +0100, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk> wrote:

On 18/04/2023 02:08, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 23:30:44 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 19:33:49 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 17:50:00 +0100, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk
wrote:

On 17/04/2023 10:19, Theo wrote:
In uk.d-i-y SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk> wrote:
That\'s the problem. The 100A (or lower) supply is based on the
assumption of relatively short duration peak load and longer periods of
partial load, not long, large, continuous loads.

Car chargers run for many hours at a time, so two or three of those,
plus washing machine and tumble dryer (moved to night time for a cheaper
tariff), electric heaters, immersion heater and the possibility of the
electric oven and hob (according to my son, it\'s not unusual for
households with students to be baking cakes at 4am, after the
night-club!), plus someone getting up early and using the 10kW electric
shower and you have a load that the supply cable was never meant to take
continuously, plus a higher than normal peak to an already stressed supply.

EV chargers can be configured to sense the total load being offered by the
property. If the supply is 100A then the charger can throttle back the
current being taken by the car so it stays within the 100A envelope.
Somebody turns on the 50A electric shower, the car drops down to a low
current, once the shower is finished the car ramps up the current again. If
there are multiple chargers they can be configured not just to obey this,
but to cooperate in sharing the load: eg charger 1 has priority over charger
2. That arrangement saves going outside at 3am to unplug one car and plug
in another.

So there isn\'t a problem of busting your supply, assuming everything is
installed right.

My charger has no current sensing. It can operate co-operatively, but
only if your other charger(s) are the same make and model.

As well as that, if every house has something along those lines, the
entire street supply will be over-stretched.

That I agree is more of a problem. I expect we\'ll start to see tariffs that
encourage load shedding at times of high local demand (eg cooperation
between local cars to stagger their charging times), especially since the
miles people do in the average day might only require a few hours of
charging. Such already exist for national demand.

The trouble is that we are getting more and more away from simply plug
and charge, needing to use multiple apps for car, charger and
electricity provider, possibly with 3rd party apps and relying upon them
all working together smoothly.

I already find it a minor irritation that, on getting home, I have to
get out of the car, without locking it (or the charge flap will also be
locked), which leaves lights, radio and dash on; plug in; then lock the
car; then use the charger app to set charging and the car\'s own app if I
want to monitor charge state. That\'s before we introduce a 3rd app to
allow the car to charge at lower demand times, rather than a fixed period.

Gas stations don\'t make me do all that. I can even go inside and pay
cash.

It\'s the car making him do it, not the station.

On my Audi, the automation opens the little trap door over the gas
filler when I push a button.

Maybe there\'s a phone ap that does that?

On this car, the flap is just tied in to the central locking, as on many
petrol cars. It locks and unlocks with it.

Until that shit breaks. But if you pull a filler flap hard, it opens anyway.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 11:45:10 +0100, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk> wrote:

On 18/04/2023 06:51, Tim+ wrote:
SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk> wrote:


I already find it a minor irritation that, on getting home, I have to
get out of the car, without locking it (or the charge flap will also be
locked),

Are you sure about that? I’d had my car for two years before realising that
the actual flap isn’t part of the central locking system.

Definitely.

You can turn off everything without locking the car, but that involves a
few layers into menus - and then opening the door to get out powers
everything back up again!

It uses the driver\'s seat being occupied and the door open to power up..

which leaves lights, radio and dash on; plug in; then lock the
car; then use the charger app to set charging and the car\'s own app if I
want to monitor charge state.

Every time? I just have mine set to charge for the same four hours every
night. No fiddling with apps involved.

I could do that, but at the moment, I want to correlate energy
consumption, what\'s in use at the time and how long the large loads are
likely to remain on for. And that means separate apps for the car.

I also don\'t have a schedule set, as we don\'t yet have an EV tariff for
cheaper overnight charging and, as it costs the same at any time of day,
I want it charged, in case of a sudden emergency call from my son in
Leeds (he\'s a student there) or my sister in Carlisle (she\'s living
alone and undergoing Chemo).

Once things are settled and our supplier adds our car model to their
supported list, there will be ANOTHER app, allowing for low priced
charging whenever the supplier has excess capacity available.

If I’m charging away from home I just press the schedule override button
inside the charging flap to start charging immediately (on AC). On DC it
sensibly just ignores any set schedule.

That needs either the car\'s app or access via the cars own menus. There
isn\'t an override button. Plugging in and locking the car doesn\'t lock
the cable in or start charging, so accessing the cars own screen or
using an app is necessary.

I wonder how many youths will go around cutting through charging cables?

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 22:10:38 +0100, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-04-18 02:32, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 23:49:16 +0100, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-04-18 00:28, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 23:10:31 +0100, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-04-17 19:44, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 11:56:29 +0100, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-04-16 21:43, Commander Kinsey wrote:
3.6kW ROTFPMSL! In the UK a kettle takes almost that. I
wasn\'t aware you lived in the third world.

We just don\'t drink tea

Microwave? Or are you still using flames to heat?

We drink coffee.

Heated by?

Me, I can choose gas or induction. Or I can use the Nespreso machine.

An induction hob using all the house\'s power at once.

If I power both plates, yes, otherwise, no.

That I have only 10A was not my choice, I inherited it.

A hippy?

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 22:14:50 +0100, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-04-18 02:35, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 23:53:22 +0100, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-04-18 00:27, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 23:13:22 +0100, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-04-17 19:44, Commander Kinsey wrote:
What do you mean contracting? Installing it in ouyr property and
getting them to change all the wiring? Or paying a neighbour?

You call the electricity company and ask them to install a charging
point in your garage. Install new or change anything necessary.

That would cost a fortune considering they have to lay new cable.

It will cost me £100 for the socket and a fiver for some cable..

Less than the car.

After buying an electric car you won\'t have much left to pay for an
electrician. I can\'t beleive people actually pay someone to do
something as simple as fitting a charger.

It probably is all a joint offer by the car dealer.

Never ever buy a car from a car dealer. They will disguise every fault.

> And no, it is not \"simple\" at all in a flat.

For fuck\'s sake, you run a wire form the nearest piece of electricity. Just how dense are you?

The typical flat here can not charge an EV without a
new contract and installation, anyway. For one reason, 4 KW is not
enough, and for another the garage is underground, the flat is not. You
are not going to run a thick cable from level 5 to level -2...

Why not? And it won\'t be thick for 7kW.

For starters, you need find an existing duct for the cable,

Don\'t use a duct. Cables are waterproof.

and get
permission to use it — comunal property, so maybe 40 other neighbours
want to use that same duct.

Without using a duct, nobody will care you tacked a wire onto the wall.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 22:17:47 +0100, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-04-18 13:04, SteveW wrote:
On 17/04/2023 23:45, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2023-04-18 00:27, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 23:15:39 +0100, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2023-04-17 19:42, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 11:59:15 +0100, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-04-17 11:51, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 16/04/2023 20:02, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2023-04-16 20:44, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 16/04/2023 19:12, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 18:18:20 +0100, Colin Bignell
cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:

On 16/04/2023 08:34, Commander Kinsey wrote:
https://www.smarthomecharge.co.uk/features/do-you-need-two-home-charge-points-if-you-have-two-evs/

\"Some products will have the ability to “load
share”, which means they will communicate with
each if two vehicles are plugged in. In this
scenario, they will evenly split the power
available so both cars charge at the same rate,
but this will be at around 3-3.6kW – in other
words half of the available 7.4kW from the
supply.\"

WTF? A UK home supply is 24kW.

The most common UK domestic contract is for a 17kVA supply.

Bollocks. 240V, 100A. Never seen anything else.

There are also 80A and 60A main breakers, but the
limit to what you can draw is not what the circuit is
rated for, but what your contract with the
electricity supply company specifies you can have.

Do you have some kind of hardware enforcing the limit?

A large fuse upstream.

And usually a main house circuit breaker,


The typical contract here for a flat is 3.6 KW. I think the max is
around 15 or 18.

Its colder in Britain.


Oh, a house with electrical heating will have a bigger contract.
Possibly three-phase.

Air conditioning? Surely you use one or the other?

Me? Yes, on one of the rooms.

Yes, you certainly can have separate electrical house heating and air
conditioning.

At 3.6kW total, the AC would be using at least half that!

So?

If you want more, pay more and get it.

We pay more because using more means using more units. We don\'t pay
extra to have a supply rated to a different power.

Depending upon the capacity of the supply cable and main fuse, UK houses
typically have 14.4KW or 24KW supplies, as standard. We don\'t normally
have to worry about being able to use the electric oven and electric hob
while the dishwasher, washing machine and tumble dryer are on - even
with an EV charger. On time limited boost, a single ring of the
induction hob may take 4.2KW!


Our suppliers are cleverer. They get more money from us without having
to generate all that electricity. More profitable.

And your population just accepts this?

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 14:35:53 +0100, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

On 4/18/2023 7:04 AM, SteveW wrote:
On 17/04/2023 23:45, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2023-04-18 00:27, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 23:15:39 +0100, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2023-04-17 19:42, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 11:59:15 +0100, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

Oh, a house with electrical heating will have a bigger contract.
Possibly three-phase.

Air conditioning? Surely you use one or the other?

Me? Yes, on one of the rooms.

Yes, you certainly can have separate electrical house heating and air
conditioning.

At 3.6kW total, the AC would be using at least half that!

So?

If you want more, pay more and get it.

We pay more because using more means using more units. We don\'t pay extra to have a supply rated to a different power.

Depending upon the capacity of the supply cable and main fuse, UK houses typically have 14.4KW or 24KW supplies, as standard. We don\'t normally have to worry about being able to use the electric oven and electric hob while the dishwasher, washing machine and tumble dryer are on - even with an EV charger. On time limited boost, a single ring of the induction hob may take 4.2KW!

https://electricvehicles.bchydro.com/charge/choosing-a-home-EV-charger

\"Features related to your preferences

Amperage

Level 2 chargers are available in models that deliver between 15- and 80-Amps. <=== hmmm.
The higher the amperage the faster the charging.\"

They seem to relate capability, to 80% of the incomer (part of regs). So a 100 amp panel
can have a load of 80 amps at 240V as a total.

Fuck the regs. It\'s your house.

I could find a reference to inserting a 50 amp breaker into a panel,
which is presumably a 100 amp panel, and the 50 amps is less than the
80 amps total load. And there are fittings that allow 50 amp plugs,
without relying on hard wiring for the charger.

In English please?

So that probably means, at least an 11kW charger with dual ports
could be fitted to a puny panel. And perhaps something bigger
could be fitted to a 200 amp panel.

If an 80 amp charger (multi-port) exists, then there must be some
sort of home configuration available from a panel perspective.

The trouble is the car makers haven\'t made the cars to take more than 8kW on a single phase. Either cost or because they don\'t think anyone wants to.

But you can always create three phase from single.

And apparently large homes here, have more than one 200 amp panel in them.
And that might even mean, they get their own pedestal transformer on
the front lawn, rather than sharing a pole transformer with the poor people.

*******

So maybe that\'s a way to answer the question for the UK, is
keep searching to see if anyone answers the question without
going \"22kW requires three phase\" as an answer.

OK, so now we need to figure out, what they fitted this to
A guess would be, one mother of an incomer.

https://shop.evchargersdirect.co.uk/products/type-b-rcd-rccb-80a-for-ev-charge-point-installations-2-pole-single-phase-30ma-80-amp

So the only review states the first one shipped was faulty. And they have a picture of a 40A breaker and say it\'s 80A. Doesn\'t sound like a company which knows what it\'s doing.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 07:07:41 +0100, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 18/04/2023 22:22, Carlos E.R. wrote:

On 2023-04-18 05:15, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 00:11:22 +0100, Colin Bignell
cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:

On 17/04/2023 23:46, SteveW wrote:
On 17/04/2023 19:33, John Larkin wrote:
Gas stations don\'t make me do all that. I can even go inside and pay
cash.

But you do have to go to the gas station and not just park up on your
driveway at the end of the day.

I pass at least one filling station on virtually every journey, so it
isn\'t going out of may way.

The cheap gas station here is not on my way.

Same here, it is some kilometres out.

I discovered that the 5% cheaper diesel returned 6% less mpg.
I now fill up where its convenient, the pumps don\'t shut off if I fill
at more than a trickle, and I go past it three times a week

You\'re in the UK I believe? Well Whatcar etc etc etc disagrees. \"All petrol and diesel sold in the UK must conform to British and European standards - EN228 for unleaded and for diesel EN590. This means that they should all work in the same way\"

Supermarket fuel is cheaper because they make a smaller profit. Just like their bread costing less than a baker.

 

[Andrew]

On 15/05/2023 00:42, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 22:17:47 +0100, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:


On 2023-04-18 13:04, SteveW wrote:
On 17/04/2023 23:45, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2023-04-18 00:27, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 23:15:39 +0100, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2023-04-17 19:42, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 11:59:15 +0100, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-04-17 11:51, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 16/04/2023 20:02, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2023-04-16 20:44, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 16/04/2023 19:12, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 18:18:20 +0100, Colin Bignell
cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:

On 16/04/2023 08:34, Commander Kinsey wrote:
https://www.smarthomecharge.co.uk/features/do-you-need-two-home-charge-points-if-you-have-two-evs/

\"Some products will have the ability to “load
share”, which means they will communicate with
each if two vehicles are plugged in. In this
scenario, they will evenly split the power
available so both cars charge at the same rate,
but this will be at around 3-3.6kW – in other
words half of the available 7.4kW from the
supply.\"

WTF?  A UK home supply is 24kW.

The most common UK domestic contract is for a 17kVA supply.

Bollocks.  240V, 100A.  Never seen anything else.

There are also 80A and 60A main breakers, but the
limit to what you can draw is not what the circuit is
rated for, but what your contract with the
electricity supply company specifies you can have.

Do you have some kind of hardware enforcing the limit?

A large fuse upstream.

And usually a main house circuit breaker,


The typical contract here for a flat is 3.6 KW. I think the
max is
around 15 or 18.

Its colder in Britain.


Oh, a house with electrical heating will have a bigger contract.
Possibly three-phase.

Air conditioning?  Surely you use one or the other?

Me? Yes, on one of the rooms.

Yes, you certainly can have separate electrical house heating and air
conditioning.

At 3.6kW total, the AC would be using at least half that!

So?

If you want more, pay more and get it.

We pay more because using more means using more units. We don\'t pay
extra to have a supply rated to a different power.

Depending upon the capacity of the supply cable and main fuse, UK houses
typically have 14.4KW or 24KW supplies, as standard. We don\'t normally
have to worry about being able to use the electric oven and electric hob
while the dishwasher, washing machine and tumble dryer are on - even
with an EV charger. On time limited boost, a single ring of the
induction hob may take 4.2KW!


Our suppliers are cleverer. They get more money from us without having
to generate all that electricity. More profitable.

And your population just accepts this?

In some countries that lack the \'effectiveness\' of the UK HMRC at
collecting tax, they have resorted to taxing via the electricity
supply (which is difficult to evade, apart from lawless places
like Africa).

 

[Peeler]

On Mon, 15 May 2023 16:54:31 +0100, Andrew, the notorious, troll-feeding
senile moron, blathered again:

In some countries that lack the \'effectiveness\' of the UK HMRC at
collecting tax, they have resorted to taxing via the electricity
supply (which is difficult to evade, apart from lawless places
like Africa).

Amazing is the \"effectiveness\" of the Scottish wanker\'s trolling: He ALWAYS
gets at least one of you senile asshole to feed him, simply by setting out
some of the most idiotic and silly baits he can think of!