Only one EV charger at home?!...

On Sun, 23 Apr 2023 22:16:53 +1000, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid>
wrote:

On 2023-04-23 01:05, Rod Speed wrote:
On Sun, 23 Apr 2023 05:07:08 +1000, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Sat, 22 Apr 2023 07:50:36 -0000 (UTC), Jasen Betts wrote:

Certainly using a gear to decend will be no worse than climbing the
hill
in that gear at the same speed.

The rule of thumb for semis is to use the same gear going up or down.
If
you had to shift down enough to climb the grade at 28 mph there is
probably a good reason you only want to go down the other side at 28
mph
if you don\'t have a jake brake.
That simplistically assumes the same slope on each side.

No, that you are going down using the same road :-D

That\'s not the other side.
 
On Mon, 24 Apr 2023 04:27:17 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin\'s latest trollshit unread>

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On Sun, 23 Apr 2023 17:54:19 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 23/04/2023 13:21, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2023-04-22 20:53, The Natural Philosopher wrote:


Small is 600 cc!

Remember: diesel.

For a diesel, that\'s small.

For a diesel, 0.3cc is small

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJFxAKAgeSo

That is small. I spent some of my youth fussing with a 0.82 diesel engine
(Cox .049 Babe Bee). Cox did make a .020 (.33cc) Pee Wee but I never had
one.
 
On Sun, 23 Apr 2023 14:16:53 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

On 2023-04-23 01:05, Rod Speed wrote:
On Sun, 23 Apr 2023 05:07:08 +1000, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Sat, 22 Apr 2023 07:50:36 -0000 (UTC), Jasen Betts wrote:

Certainly using a gear to decend will be no worse than climbing the
hill in that gear at the same speed.

The rule of thumb for semis is to use the same gear going up or down.
If you had to shift down enough to climb the grade at 28 mph there is
probably a good reason you only want to go down the other side at 28
mph if you don\'t have a jake brake.

That simplistically assumes the same slope on each side.

No, that you are going down using the same road :-D

Or you get a little surprise. I-40 gradually climbs to Flagstaff AZ, which
is just shy of 7000\'. Turn onto I-17 and drops to Camp Verde at 3100\' in
56 miles. The saving grace is another steep uphill grade south of Camp
Verde. After you smoke the brakes dropping off the Mogollon Rim and go by
Camp Verde at 100 mph you can get slowed down enough to stop at the top,
cool your brakes, and change your underwear.
 
On 23 Apr 2023 18:57:32 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

Or you get a little surprise. I-40 gradually climbs to Flagstaff AZ, which
is just shy of 7000\'. Turn onto I-17 and drops to Camp Verde at 3100\' in
56 miles. The saving grace is another steep uphill grade south of Camp
Verde. After you smoke the brakes dropping off the Mogollon Rim and go by
Camp Verde at 100 mph you can get slowed down enough to stop at the top,
cool your brakes, and change your underwear.

You have NO control over your big mouth, have you? LMAO

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My preference was Rheingold on tap\"

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On 23 Apr 2023 18:49:27 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


That is small. I spent some of my youth fussing with a 0.82 diesel engine
(Cox .049 Babe Bee). Cox did make a .020 (.33cc) Pee Wee but I never had
one.

LOL Does really nobody yet check what\'s wrong with that deranged senile
Yankee bigmouth? LOL

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route and returning mostly on Rt 66. We also traveled quite a bit as the
interstates were being built. It might have been slower but it was a lot
more interesting. Even now I prefer what William Least Heat-Moon called
the blue highways but it\'s difficult. Around here there are remnants of
the Mullan Road as frontage roads but I-90 was laid over most of it so
there is no continuous route. So far 93 hasn\'t been destroyed.\"
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søndag den 23. april 2023 kl. 20.57.44 UTC+2 skrev rbowman:
On Sun, 23 Apr 2023 14:16:53 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

On 2023-04-23 01:05, Rod Speed wrote:
On Sun, 23 Apr 2023 05:07:08 +1000, rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote:

On Sat, 22 Apr 2023 07:50:36 -0000 (UTC), Jasen Betts wrote:

Certainly using a gear to decend will be no worse than climbing the
hill in that gear at the same speed.

The rule of thumb for semis is to use the same gear going up or down.
If you had to shift down enough to climb the grade at 28 mph there is
probably a good reason you only want to go down the other side at 28
mph if you don\'t have a jake brake.

That simplistically assumes the same slope on each side.

No, that you are going down using the same road :-D
Or you get a little surprise. I-40 gradually climbs to Flagstaff AZ, which
is just shy of 7000\'. Turn onto I-17 and drops to Camp Verde at 3100\' in
56 miles.

if the car is 2000kg 3900\' is only ~22MJ, about half a kg of gasoline
 
On 23/04/2023 19:49, rbowman wrote:
On Sun, 23 Apr 2023 17:54:19 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 23/04/2023 13:21, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2023-04-22 20:53, The Natural Philosopher wrote:


Small is 600 cc!

Remember: diesel.

For a diesel, that\'s small.

For a diesel, 0.3cc is small

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJFxAKAgeSo

That is small. I spent some of my youth fussing with a 0.82 diesel engine
(Cox .049 Babe Bee). Cox did make a .020 (.33cc) Pee Wee but I never had
one.
Babe bee strictly a glowplug engine, which isn\'t quite a diesel as it
relies on methanol ignited against a hot catalyst of platinum wire
The diesels ran on paraffin and ether and castor oil

I had a pee wee and several babe bees. And an AMCO 35 and a PAW 19...and
a few others that came my way.

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people by telling poor people that \"other\" rich people are the reason
they are poor.

Peter Thompson
 
In message <kafv8jF6vi1U22@mid.individual.net>, rbowman
<bowman@montana.com> writes
On Fri, 21 Apr 2023 13:11:37 +0100, Max Demian wrote:

On 21/04/2023 02:31, rbowman wrote:
On Thu, 20 Apr 2023 10:27:04 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Not arf as uneasy as power assisted brakes that lose power assistance.

Ever drive a car with mechanical brakes? It\'s a good thing they could
go all that fast.

Do you mean hydraulic but not power assisted? The hydraulics have a
different \"gearing\" (I don\'t know the proper word) so the force you have
to apply is still reasonable. I had a Mk I Escort like that. It had drum
brakes all round too. OK, but if you went through a puddle (or just
drove it in heavy rain) water would get into the drums and I would have
to go along with my left foot on the brake pedal to dry it out.

No, I meant drum brakes operated by rods:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zk-0tIAfWQ

Probably because of licensing fees Ford was one of the last manufacturers
to go to hydraulic brakes in 1939.

https://theoldmotor.com/?p=66209
My 1954 Ford Prefect (the last of the \'humpy-backed\' style of body) had
rod brakes. The brake pads were expanded by the rod pulling tapered
wedges. Provided all the linkages and wedges were lubricated and kept
free of dirt, for the sort of speed I drove the car (my cruising speed
was 42mph!), the braking was excellent.
--
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On Sun, 30 Apr 2023 08:15:43 +0100, Ian Jackson wrote:

In message <kafv8jF6vi1U22@mid.individual.net>, rbowman
bowman@montana.com> writes
On Fri, 21 Apr 2023 13:11:37 +0100, Max Demian wrote:

On 21/04/2023 02:31, rbowman wrote:
On Thu, 20 Apr 2023 10:27:04 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Not arf as uneasy as power assisted brakes that lose power
assistance.

Ever drive a car with mechanical brakes? It\'s a good thing they could
go all that fast.

Do you mean hydraulic but not power assisted? The hydraulics have a
different \"gearing\" (I don\'t know the proper word) so the force you
have to apply is still reasonable. I had a Mk I Escort like that. It
had drum brakes all round too. OK, but if you went through a puddle
(or just drove it in heavy rain) water would get into the drums and I
would have to go along with my left foot on the brake pedal to dry it
out.

No, I meant drum brakes operated by rods:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zk-0tIAfWQ

Probably because of licensing fees Ford was one of the last
manufacturers to go to hydraulic brakes in 1939.

https://theoldmotor.com/?p=66209

My 1954 Ford Prefect (the last of the \'humpy-backed\' style of body) had
rod brakes. The brake pads were expanded by the rod pulling tapered
wedges. Provided all the linkages and wedges were lubricated and kept
free of dirt, for the sort of speed I drove the car (my cruising speed
was 42mph!), the braking was excellent.

I drove a 1936 Standard 14 on one occasion and during a 3 point turn I
collided with a parked car. This was because all the drum brakes had
leading edge shoes, consequently there was next to no braking when
reversing.
 
In message <u1tmnf$12f5c$3@dont-email.me>, The Natural Philosopher
<tnp@invalid.invalid> writes
On 20/04/2023 16:43, S Viemeister wrote:
On 20/04/2023 14:03, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2023-04-20, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2023-04-20 00:27, Rod Speed wrote:
On Thu, 20 Apr 2023 05:52:52 +1000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-04-19 18:27, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 14:36:49 +0200, \"Carlos E.R.\"
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-04-19 14:12, Theo wrote:
In uk.d-i-y Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
Interesting.

How does it work, you foot the brake pedal, and the car decides
whether
to apply the actual brakes or generator mode?

In general yes.  The car will decide whether to use regen or

brakes.  For example mostly regen if the battery can take it, but
at low
speeds friction might be used for the last few mph down to zero
where regen
is weak.  Also in an emergency stop both might be used.

What happens when you release the accelerator pedal? Does it just
coast
along, or does it apply \"engine brake\" as in a gasoline car?

That\'s called \'one pedal driving\', and on many EVs you can
adjust the
retardation (regen) in a number of steps from coasting through to
quite
aggressive braking.  Coasting is more like a regular transmission
where you
have to use the brake pedal, whereas with higher levels you can
drive with
accelerator alone.

By \"regular transmission\" you mean \"automatic\"?

Most cars here have a manual transmission,
  where\'s that?

My address says \"es\", thus Spain :)


and on those the (gasoline)
car brakes somewhat when the accelerator pedal is released. We
use that
to maintain the speed when going down long slopes, instead of
using the
brake. If we need more brake action, we shift to a lower gear.
  My wife and kid threatened to divorce me if I got one more
manual-transmission car. They couldn\'t drive a manual on the hills
here.

:-D

Till relatively recently, the driving test was done only on
manual cars.

Are you saying you don\'t get tested in your own car or
the one from the driving school you learnt to drive in ?

The test is done in the driving school car, and all of them I have seen
are manual shift.

You could use another car, but it has to be fitted with pedals on the
other seat.


That would make it harder to pass the test, in an unfamiliar car.

Now you can use an automatic, but you get an specific license that
says you can not drive manuals.

Yeah, we have the same system in Australia,
but you get to supply the car you get tested in.

I don\'t know how those particular tests are done. My guess is, it is
provided by the driving school as well.

Back in the 1970s when I learned to drive, they didn\'t think manual
transmissions were sufficiently important to teach.  (A friend of mine
taught me to drive stick shift a few years after I got my license.)

We had to provide our own car for the driving test, which was
administered by the government agency that licenses drivers.

There\'s no differentiation between manual and automatic transmissions
in the licensing of drivers, and I don\'t think there ever has been.

Unless it\'s changed recently, UK driving licences specify manual or
automatic.
Correct. And a LOT more. I am not sure how many classes of vehicle
there are today, but moped, motorcycle under 125cc. motorcycle, car
manual, car automatic, vehicle over 3.5 tonnes , over 7.5 tonnes, HGV &
PSV, spring to mind from erratic memory.
But as has already been referred to, if you pass your test in a manual,
you are also allowed to drive automatics (but not vice versa).
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In message <u1tohu$132hp$1@dont-email.me>, The Natural Philosopher
<tnp@invalid.invalid> writes
On 21/04/2023 09:45, micky wrote:
I don\'t think they wanted the burden of teaching how to shift gears when
they first had to teach how to steer.

People should star in go karts till they learn how to steer and brake
and control the car.
Then Tesco\'s car park on Sunday to learn how to reverse and be accurate
and use the gears and clutch

THEN they are moderately safe on the road and can begin to learn the
real art of driving - avoiding all the other assholes.
And the trees.
And the speed cameras
And the speed humps
And the chicanes.
And, unless they have been exaggerating (or lying) about the way they
sometimes drive, some of the contributors to certain newsgroups!
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Ian Jackson <ianREMOVETHISjackson@g3ohx.co.uk> wrote:

But as has already been referred to, if you pass your test in a manual,
you are also allowed to drive automatics (but not vice versa).

I’ve heard rumour that this is going to change. With the push towards EVs
getting manual cars to sit one’s test in the future will be more difficult.

After all, we let Americans with auto only licences hire manual cars here
don’t we? What could possibly go wrong. ;-)

Tim

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On Sunday, 30 April 2023 at 00:44:35 UTC-7, jon_t wrote:
....
I drove a 1936 Standard 14 on one occasion and during a 3 point turn I
collided with a parked car. This was because all the drum brakes had
leading edge shoes, consequently there was next to no braking when
reversing.

Usually one shoe in each of the rear drum brakes was trailing so there would still be some braking in reverse.

All shoes in the front brakes were leading to give the best performance.

kw
 
On 30 Apr 2023 13:54:21 GMT, Tim+ wrote:

After all, we let Americans with auto only licences hire manual cars
here don’t we? What could possibly go wrong. ;-)

Some US states may have auto only licenses but none I\'ve ever lived in.
Mine has a motorcycle endorsement but that isn\'t tiered either. Honda 50
or Hayabusa they\'re all covered. In fact it\'s not uncommon for someone to
borrow a friend\'s small bike for the test.
 
On Sun, 30 Apr 2023 08:15:43 +0100, Ian Jackson wrote:

My 1954 Ford Prefect (the last of the \'humpy-backed\' style of body) had
rod brakes. The brake pads were expanded by the rod pulling tapered
wedges. Provided all the linkages and wedges were lubricated and kept
free of dirt, for the sort of speed I drove the car (my cruising speed
was 42mph!), the braking was excellent.

Many hills in your area?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy,_New_York

\"The western edge of the city is flat along the river, and then steeply
slopes to higher terrain to the east. The average elevation is 50 feet,
with the highest elevation being 500 feet in the eastern part of the
city.\"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_88hKWQspg

The first few seconds of the drone shot give perspective. Winters were
interesting.
 
On 30 Apr 2023 18:54:01 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


> Many hills in your area?

Did your big mouth just wake up? <BG>

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On 30 Apr 2023 17:50:19 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


Some US states may have auto only licenses but none I\'ve ever lived in.
Mine has a motorcycle endorsement but that isn\'t tiered either.

Yes, you ARE a fascinating personality, you pathological bigmouth! LOL

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On 30/04/2023 14:54, Tim+ wrote:
Ian Jackson <ianREMOVETHISjackson@g3ohx.co.uk> wrote:

But as has already been referred to, if you pass your test in a manual,
you are also allowed to drive automatics (but not vice versa).

I’ve heard rumour that this is going to change. With the push towards EVs
getting manual cars to sit one’s test in the future will be more difficult.

Getting manual cars in general has become much more difficult in the UK.
New models in some marques are automatic only for petrol or diesel :(

After all, we let Americans with auto only licences hire manual cars here
don’t we? What could possibly go wrong. ;-)

They probably won\'t even get out of the parking lot if they have never
driven a manual gearbox vehicle before. Too many things to do at once
and the swap to having to use left hand to do gear shifts takes some
getting used to if you are right handed (and vice versa for us driving
in the USA but to a much lesser extent). Using your left hand to do
something precisely like that is harder if you are right handed.

The other way around auto to manual is trivial although you might well
declutch the brake approaching the barrier for the first time.

--
Martin Brown
 
On 21/04/2023 11:29, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 21/04/2023 09:45, micky wrote:
I don\'t think they wanted the burden of teaching how to shift gears when
they first had to teach how to steer.

People should star in go karts till they learn how to steer and brake
and control the car.
Then Tesco\'s car park on Sunday to learn how to reverse and be accurate
and use the gears and clutch

Be careful what you wish for. The Japanese driving test takes place on a
standardised layout about the size of a cricket pitch complete with its
own hump back bridge. Every driving school has one as learners are not
allowed on the roads. The result is pretty weird.

I know because I have taken the practical test in Japan when I lived
there. It was fun since we have been driving an automatic for a year and
the test was in a clapped out manual gearbox official car supplied by
the test centre. Second gear was almost completely worn out!

Remembering that \"Green\" traffic lights are officially \"Blue\" in
Japanese is essential to obtaining a pass...

THEN they are moderately safe on the road and can begin to learn the
real art of driving - avoiding all the other assholes.
And the trees.
And the speed cameras
And the speed humps
And the chicanes.

Mostly it is the planning ahead where (new) drivers fail.

There are gaps in the hedges on all the tight bends where I live. The
odd one has a radar activated please go round the dangerous bend sign.
They never work on cold frosty winter\'s mornings...

--
Martin Brown
 

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