Only one EV charger at home?!...

[rbowman]

On Fri, 21 Apr 2023 13:11:37 +0100, Max Demian wrote:

On 21/04/2023 02:31, rbowman wrote:
On Thu, 20 Apr 2023 10:27:04 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Not arf as uneasy as power assisted brakes that lose power assistance.

Ever drive a car with mechanical brakes? It\'s a good thing they could
go all that fast.

Do you mean hydraulic but not power assisted? The hydraulics have a
different \"gearing\" (I don\'t know the proper word) so the force you have
to apply is still reasonable. I had a Mk I Escort like that. It had drum
brakes all round too. OK, but if you went through a puddle (or just
drove it in heavy rain) water would get into the drums and I would have
to go along with my left foot on the brake pedal to dry it out.

No, I meant drum brakes operated by rods:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zk-0tIAfWQ

Probably because of licensing fees Ford was one of the last manufacturers
to go to hydraulic brakes in 1939.

https://theoldmotor.com/?p=66209

 

[Peeler]

On Fri, 21 Apr 2023 12:08:11 -0500, Mark Lloyd, another absolutely brain
dead, troll-feeding, senile cretin, drivelled:

I remember a $79 fillup. That was in about 2007, when prices were at
their highest.

Yeah, nice! But WTF has all this sick shit got to do with ANY of the three
ngs you keep trashing?

 

[Peeler]

On 21 Apr 2023 17:14:59 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


> When we split my wife took the 100LS and I took the Lincoln.

HIGHLY interesting again! As just EVERYTHING about your grand person and
your exciting life, you endlessly gossiping senile washerwoman!

<FLUSH rest of the unbearable senile crap unread again>

--
And yet another idiotic \"cool\" line, this time about the UK, from the
resident bigmouthed all-American superhero:
\"You could dump the entire 93,628 square miles in eastern Montana and only
the prairie dogs would notice.\"
MID: <ka2vrlF6c5uU1@mid.individual.net>

 

[Peeler]

On 21 Apr 2023 17:25:39 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


> No, I meant drum brakes operated by rods:

Even such a brake couldn\'t stop your big mouth!

--
More typical idiotic senile gossip by lowbrowwoman:
\"It\'s been years since I\'ve been in a fast food burger joint but I used
to like Wendy\'s because they had a salad bar and baked potatoes.\"
MID: <ivdi4gF8btlU1@mid.individual.net>

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Fri, 21 Apr 2023 18:08:11 +0100, Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> wrote:

On 4/19/23 13:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 01:35:13 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 23:59:05 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

So the filling isn\'t 4 minutes? I think it\'s a litre a second in the
UK. Hardly slow enough to want to wander off. By the time I\'d walked
to the other end of the car and back it would be full.

By law in the US the maximum rate is 10 US gallons per minute (37.9
liters). As I stood in a snow squall this afternoon, 8.2 gallons took
forever.

A the current prices, the last thing I\'m concerned about is the time
taken to empty my bank account.

I remember a $79 fillup. That was in about 2007, when prices were at
their highest.

The highest I\'ve seen here was £1.60 a litre. That was in the covid bullshit era.

 

[micky]

In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 20 Apr 2023 21:29:58 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
<hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-04-20, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2023-04-20 22:07, M Nelson wrote:
On Thursday, April 20, 2023 at 2:00:13?PM UTC-4, Carlos E.R. wrote:
Please do not remove group names. I restored them.

I don\'t know what that refers to. I don\'t recall removing anything.

You did it again.

If he\'s posting through Google Groups, they don\'t give him any choice.
He can only post to the newsgroup where he\'s reading.

That\'s why grown-ups should not be posting through google groups. It\'s
useful to find some old thread or old post that isn\'t in your computer,
but if you want to post, you should act like an adult, get a news reader
(some are free), subscribe to a news service (some are free) and reply
to every group to which the post one is replying to was sent.

We\'ve had Usenet for more than 30 years, and if people can\'t learn how
to use it properly in 30 years, they should either just stop, or ask for
help.

You have to post, at the same time, to three groups in a single post. If
you don\'t, there are people that will not see your post.

alt.home.repair, uk.d-i-y, sci.electronics.design

 

[Rod Speed]

On Fri, 21 Apr 2023 22:59:06 +1000, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com>
wrote:

On 2023-04-21, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

I read about it in a book, and in 1968 when a friend wanted to start
early on our trip, he took me out in his car and let me drive it. To go
from Chicago to Pittsburgh, you only have to shift about 8 times, and
then he drove.

My husband taught himself to drive stick shift by test driving cars with
manual transmissions. I\'m pretty sure he\'d seen someone drive stick
shift, and he\'s a \"see one, do one, teach one\" kind of guy.

And Roy Gilliam\'s 4 year old did with with a full sized back hoe.
https://www.facebook.com/reel/3483872685178117?fs=e&s=TIeQ9V&mibextid=5zvaxg

 

[Rod Speed]

On Fri, 21 Apr 2023 23:51:47 +1000, NY <me@privacy.net> wrote:

On 21/04/2023 13:59, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2023-04-21, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

I read about it in a book, and in 1968 when a friend wanted to start
early on our trip, he took me out in his car and let me drive it. To go
from Chicago to Pittsburgh, you only have to shift about 8 times, and
then he drove.
My husband taught himself to drive stick shift by test driving cars
with
manual transmissions. I\'m pretty sure he\'d seen someone drive stick
shift, and he\'s a \"see one, do one, teach one\" kind of guy.

It\'s considered bad form for residents of one country to stereotype and
mock residents of another country. We are all different and learn to do
things differently.

But...

A work colleague was telling me of an incident that his father had
witnessed when he worked for a car-rental company at an airport. A
brash, over-confident American (and I\'m sure that not all Americans are
like this!) wanted to rent a car. My friend\'s dad offered him an
automatic, reasoning that far fewer Americans than Europeans have ever
driven a manual.

The American was confident that he could handle a manual - \"how hard can
it be: I\'ll manage\". And so he was led to a manual car that was parked
in a line of cars alongside the kerb.

He revved up the engine (he\'d heard how easy it is to stall a manual if
you haven\'t developed the clutch-control muscle-memory) and let the
clutch in smartly. This caused him to rocket forward into the car ahead,
pushing that car into the one ahead of it. Before the car-hire guy could
intervene, the American had put the car into reverse and done the same
thing to the cars behind, as he tried to extricate himself. Within the
space of about 10 seconds he had just written-off five cars :-(

Moral: know you limitations and be cautious. It\'s not a sin to admit
that you don\'t have the confidence to drive a manual car.

It\'s not just to be awkward that UK drivers who passed their test on an
automatic car are not *allowed* to drive a manual car. I\'m not sure
whether an \"automatic licence\" acts as a provisional licence for a
manual car. In other words, does it allow a driver who has never driven
a manual to drive one as long as he is accompanied by a driver who holds
a full licence but is not qualified to *teach* someone to drive?

What is the situation with drivers who only hold foreign driving
licences when they drive a British (hire) car? Are those deemed to be
full \"manual\" licences (ie allowed to drive manual as well as
automatic)? Is it left to the driver to say \"Can I have an automatic
because I\'m not used to driving manual?\"

I\'m not sure how well I\'d have be able to teach myself to drive a manual
car if I hadn\'t had a qualified teacher to give me feedback and advice,
to get me past the stage of repeatedly making the same mistakes and
never learning how to cure them.

The best don\'t need anything like that and can always work it out for
themselves.
https://www.facebook.com/reel/3483872685178117?fs=e&s=TIeQ9V&mibextid=5zvaxg
https://www.facebook.com/reel/578261684189280?fs=e&s=TIeQ9V&mibextid=5zvaxg
https://www.facebook.com/reel/931220094717754?fs=e&s=TIeQ9V&mibextid=5zvaxg

There is a lot to be said for driving instructors teaching learners the
basics of clutch control off-road (eg in a deserted car park or
something similar) so they are reasonably competent in controlling the
car, changing directly from any gear to any gear without stalling or
lurching forward, and recognising the signs when you need to change down
*before* you stall.

I\'ve driven a fair number of cars, manual and automatic, petrol and
diesel. I hate automatics because they change gear at a time when I
wouldn\'t: I like to be able to control the timing of gearchanges so they
happen just before I start to apply power (so I accelerate all in the
same gear and acceleration is proportional to throttle position all the
time I\'m in that gear). During acceleration, I time the gear change to a
time when I come off the power briefly. I wouldn\'t drive an automatic
out of choice, but I can do - I have to drive more gently so as not to
be caught out by \"uncommanded\" gearchanges, especially when accelerating
out of a roundabout and it\'s a toss-up between not enough acceleration
in one gear and shit-hot acceleration in a much lower gear; the option
of \"stay in this gear and let me apply slightly more power\" doesn\'t
exist.

The only car that I just could not get to grips with was a diesel VW
Golf. Not sure which Mark but it had the older Pumpe Duse engine rather
than the present HDi-type engine. I\'m used to driving diesels, and I
know that it is difficult to stall them: at worst then engine will just
labour a bit and fail to accelerate. Even petrols do this, though the
point at which they start to labour may be at a higher engine speed so
they are a bit less forgiving.

This car was different. There was something about it (maybe some weird
programming in the engine-management system) that meant that if you
didn\'t apply quite enough power, the engine would stall completely as if
the fuel had been cut off (*). No warning signs to give you chance to
apply slightly more power, to dip the clutch slightly or to change down.
Just a toddler\'s approach of throwing its toys out of the pram if you
didn\'t get it right. Despite being used to driving diesels, I\'ve never
stalled a petrol engined car. But I repeatedly stalled that diesel VW at
almost every time where I had to set off from rest. And it wasn\'t just
that car that was badly-adjusted. I tried another one with the same
engine a while later to see if it was as bad as I remembered. The sales
assistant said the almost everyone stalls that engine until they get
used to it. Not a very good advert for the car ;-)

I chose another car instead.



(*) A sort of \"you\'ve not applied enough power so I\'m going to make damn
certain that I cut the fuel off to force you to stall - then you\'ll get
the message that you\'ve cocked up\".

 

[Rod Speed]

On Sat, 22 Apr 2023 03:14:59 +1000, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Fri, 21 Apr 2023 13:58:26 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:

On Fri, 21 Apr 2023 11:37:11 +1000, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Thu, 20 Apr 2023 23:56:02 +0100, SteveW wrote:

That\'s normal for most cars, using vacuum servos to assist the
existing brake master cylinder. Citroens are different (they seem to
like to be weird), using a hydraulic pump to power the brakes (it also
powers the power steering and the rising and falling suspension), with
a small accumulator. Once that accumulator is emptied, not only is
there no assistance, but there are no brakes at all.

When I was looking for a car in the early \'70s I briefly considered a
DS.
Then my engineering mind totaled up how many strange and wondrous
things could go wrong.

I wound up buying an Audi. It had its share of problems as VW tried to
figure out how to build cars with the engine and transmission on the
wrong end.

They did fine with the Golf.

When we split my wife took the 100LS and I took the Lincoln. She
eventually traded it for a Rabbit and got a pittance for the Audi. The
Rabbit, which I believe was what the Golf was called in the US at the
time,

Yes.

> was a much better car. Germans learn fast.

Nothing to do with learning speed.

The Audi had a quirk. Every 15,000 miles of so it would fail to start.
Replace the plug wires and you were good for another 15,000. I carried a
spare set. There wasn\'t any roughness or anything prior to the failure. I
believe the rudimentary computer sensed something slightly out of range
and decided it was time to go on strike.

https://www.city-data.com/forum/audi/1098438-does-anyone-remember-
audi-100-ls.html

The third entry sums it up:

\"Going by Consumer Reports frequency-of-repair charts, those early Audis
were not reliable.
The April, 1978 issue has charts for 1972-\'77 cars. The Audi 100LS has a
\"much worse than average\" figure for 1972-1976 and an average rating for
1977.

Nothing to do with VW, the beetle and golf never had anything like that.

In the early 70s Audi was in fact a completely separate
operation to VW cars wise although it was VW owned.

Problem areas were engine mechanical, engine cooling, exhaust system,
fuel
system, ignition system, automatic transmission, air conditioning, brakes
and electrical system.\"

 

[Peeler]

On Sat, 22 Apr 2023 11:05:51 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin\'s latest trollshit unread>

--
Tim+ about trolling Rodent Speed:
He is by far the most persistent troll who seems to be able to get under the
skin of folk who really should know better. Since when did arguing with a
troll ever achieve anything (beyond giving the troll pleasure)?
MID: <1421057667.659518815.743467.tim.downie-gmail.com@news.individual.net>

 

[Peeler]

On Sat, 22 Apr 2023 10:20:52 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin\'s latest trollshit unread>

--
Marland answering senile Rodent\'s statement, \"I don\'t leak\":
\"That¢s because so much piss and shite emanates from your gob that there is
nothing left to exit normally, your arsehole has clammed shut through disuse
and the end of prick is only clear because you are such a Wanker.\"
Message-ID: <gm2h57Frj93U1@mid.individual.net>

 

[Peeler]

On Sat, 22 Apr 2023 10:06:37 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin\'s latest trollshit unread>

--
Bod addressing abnormal senile quarreller Rodent Speed:
\"Do you practice arguing with yourself in an empty room?\"
MID: <g4ihlaFh5p5U2@mid.individual.net>

 

[Jasen Betts]

On 2023-04-21, Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

In uk.d-i-y SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk> wrote:
On 20/04/2023 11:00, Theo wrote:
In uk.d-i-y SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk> wrote:
Many of us were taught to change down through the gears and use engine
braking for almost all stops, including around town. These days they
tend to rely on brakes and just change down to whatever gear they expect
to need as the set off or speed up again.

Presumably you\'re still using the brakes though? eg if you\'re driving at
speed on the motorway and the tail lights come on in front of you, you\'re
not reaching for the gear stick to change down instead of braking?

It depends upon the situation. If you spot a problem early enough, you
lift off the accelerator and let the car slow with engine braking,
changing down as the revs drop to a level suitable to do so.

I would think of that as coasting. OK it\'s not coasting in the sense of
opening the clutch so the wheels are free to turn undriven, but the engine
is not applying very much retardation force. For example, on the motorway
going downhill in top gear, the car still gathers speed even if you let off
the accelerator. Not as much as if you opened the clutch, but it still
wouldn\'t decrease your speed. Whereas a sufficient application of the
brakes would.

In that situation, you\'d get more engine braking if you changed down (it
would try to rev the engine faster) but it wouldn\'t be good for the engine.

Forces on the engine parts will likely be less than under normal
acceleration, becuase there is no or little fuel being burned.

Certainly using a gear to decend will be no worse than climbing
the hill in that gear at the same speed.

Just don\'t exceed reccomended engine RPM

--
Jasen.
🇺🇦 Слава Україні

 

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 21/04/2023 18:25, rbowman wrote:

On Fri, 21 Apr 2023 13:11:37 +0100, Max Demian wrote:

On 21/04/2023 02:31, rbowman wrote:
On Thu, 20 Apr 2023 10:27:04 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Not arf as uneasy as power assisted brakes that lose power assistance.

Ever drive a car with mechanical brakes? It\'s a good thing they could
go all that fast.

Do you mean hydraulic but not power assisted? The hydraulics have a
different \"gearing\" (I don\'t know the proper word) so the force you have
to apply is still reasonable. I had a Mk I Escort like that. It had drum
brakes all round too. OK, but if you went through a puddle (or just
drove it in heavy rain) water would get into the drums and I would have
to go along with my left foot on the brake pedal to dry it out.

No, I meant drum brakes operated by rods:

What about cables?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zk-0tIAfWQ

Probably because of licensing fees Ford was one of the last manufacturers
to go to hydraulic brakes in 1939.

https://theoldmotor.com/?p=66209

--
Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as
foolish, and by the rulers as useful.

(Seneca the Younger, 65 AD)

 

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 22/04/2023 00:57, micky wrote:

We\'ve had Usenet for more than 30 years, and if people can\'t learn how
to use it properly in 30 years, they should either just stop, or ask for
help.

FFS I first used USENET in 1985...on a DEC VAX, connected by UUCP over a
modem


--
Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as
foolish, and by the rulers as useful.

(Seneca the Younger, 65 AD)

 

[Jasen Betts]

On 2023-04-19, Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 20:17:09 +0100, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 19/04/2023 17:41, NY wrote:

4 minutes to fill your tank. I tend to run my tank fairly low, so I\'m
often buying close to the maximum of 60 litres, and I\'ve had some pumps
that have taken that sort of time. I don\'t think I\'ve found a pump that
does it in as little as a minute. Are diesel pumps generally faster or
slower than unleaded pumps? Is one type of fuel more likely than the
other to foam up if the fuel is pumped too quickly?

If I try and fill my 70 litre tank in a minute it shuts off. About 4-5
minutes is as fast as the safety shite will let me fill it.

Where did you locate the accelerator pedal for the pump? Every pump I\'ve seen pumps at a fixed speed.

Diesel pumps here have a \"high flow rate\" button, but not regular petrol pumps.
It\'s probably handy if you\'re filling a bus with thousand litre tank capacity.

--
Jasen.
🇺🇦 Слава Україні

 

[SteveW]

On 22/04/2023 10:27, Jasen Betts wrote:

On 2023-04-19, Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 20:17:09 +0100, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 19/04/2023 17:41, NY wrote:

4 minutes to fill your tank. I tend to run my tank fairly low, so I\'m
often buying close to the maximum of 60 litres, and I\'ve had some pumps
that have taken that sort of time. I don\'t think I\'ve found a pump that
does it in as little as a minute. Are diesel pumps generally faster or
slower than unleaded pumps? Is one type of fuel more likely than the
other to foam up if the fuel is pumped too quickly?

If I try and fill my 70 litre tank in a minute it shuts off. About 4-5
minutes is as fast as the safety shite will let me fill it.

Where did you locate the accelerator pedal for the pump? Every pump I\'ve seen pumps at a fixed speed.

Diesel pumps here have a \"high flow rate\" button, but not regular petrol pumps.
It\'s probably handy if you\'re filling a bus with thousand litre tank capacity.

The problem also occurs with petrol. When I had a Rover 400, there was a
sharp bend in the filler, that caused many pumps to keep shutting off.
Sometimes it would be okay with the nozzle upside down and at other
times, I had no option but to slow the flow rate by not fully squeezing
the lever. It was annoying to me ... and to whoever was trapped behind
me and had already finished filling and paid.

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Saturday, April 22, 2023 at 7:29:57 PM UTC+10, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 22/04/2023 00:57, micky wrote:
We\'ve had Usenet for more than 30 years, and if people can\'t learn how
to use it properly in 30 years, they should either just stop, or ask for
help.
FFS I first used USENET in 1985...on a DEC VAX, connected by UUCP over a modem.

Some people can learn from experience. You don\'t seem to be one of them.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Carlos E.R.]

On 2023-04-21 15:51, NY wrote:

On 21/04/2023 13:59, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2023-04-21, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

The only car that I just could not get to grips with was a diesel VW
Golf. Not sure which Mark but it had the older Pumpe Duse engine rather
than the present HDi-type engine. I\'m used to driving diesels, and I
know that it is difficult to stall them: at worst then engine will just
labour a bit and fail to accelerate. Even petrols do this, though the
point at which they start to labour may be at a higher engine speed so
they are a bit less forgiving.

This car was different. There was something about it (maybe some weird
programming in the engine-management system) that meant that if you
didn\'t apply quite enough power, the engine would stall completely as if
the fuel had been cut off (*). No warning signs to give you chance to
apply slightly more power, to dip the clutch slightly or to change down.
Just a toddler\'s approach of throwing its toys out of the pram if you
didn\'t get it right. Despite being used to driving diesels, I\'ve never
stalled a petrol engined car. But I repeatedly stalled that diesel VW at
almost every time where I had to set off from rest. And it wasn\'t just
that car that was badly-adjusted. I tried another one with the same
engine a while later to see if it was as bad as I remembered. The sales
assistant said the almost everyone stalls that engine until they get
used to it. Not a very good advert for the car ;-)

I chose another car instead.

Some diesels have a much smaller engine than a traditional diesel. I had
one like that, an Opel Corsa. The motor had only 1248 cubic centimetres
of displacement (yet rated at 70KW power). And a turbo. Thus at low rpm
the engine had little torque, something that I noticed in the mountains.
In some steep places, even in 1st gear it had no acceleration.

In the highway, that car had much better acceleration than my current
gasoline Opel Corsa (66KW, no turbo, 1398 cc)


--
Cheers, Carlos.

 

[Peeler]

On Sat, 22 Apr 2023 09:27:58 -0000 (UTC), Jasen Betts, another mentally
challenged, troll-feeding, senile ASSHOLE, blathered again:

Where did you locate the accelerator pedal for the pump? Every pump I\'ve seen pumps at a fixed speed.

Diesel pumps here have a \"high flow rate\" button, but not regular petrol pumps.
It\'s probably handy if you\'re filling a bus with thousand litre tank capacity.

Another brain dead troll-feeding senile asshole who doesn\'t get what\'s going
on in these newsgroups! <tsk>