Only one EV charger at home?!...

[Commander Kinsey]

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 23:54:17 +0100, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk> wrote:

On 18/04/2023 16:41, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 11:51:13 +0100, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk
wrote:

On 18/04/2023 02:15, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 23:46:35 +0100, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk
wrote:

On 17/04/2023 19:33, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 17:50:00 +0100, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk
wrote:

On 17/04/2023 10:19, Theo wrote:
In uk.d-i-y SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk> wrote:
That\'s the problem. The 100A (or lower) supply is based on the
assumption of relatively short duration peak load and longer periods of
partial load, not long, large, continuous loads.

Car chargers run for many hours at a time, so two or three of those,
plus washing machine and tumble dryer (moved to night time for a cheaper
tariff), electric heaters, immersion heater and the possibility of the
electric oven and hob (according to my son, it\'s not unusual for
households with students to be baking cakes at 4am, after the
night-club!), plus someone getting up early and using the 10kW electric
shower and you have a load that the supply cable was never meant to take
continuously, plus a higher than normal peak to an already stressed supply.

EV chargers can be configured to sense the total load being offered by the
property. If the supply is 100A then the charger can throttle back the
current being taken by the car so it stays within the 100A envelope.
Somebody turns on the 50A electric shower, the car drops down to a low
current, once the shower is finished the car ramps up the current again. If
there are multiple chargers they can be configured not just to obey this,
but to cooperate in sharing the load: eg charger 1 has priority over charger
2. That arrangement saves going outside at 3am to unplug one car and plug
in another.

So there isn\'t a problem of busting your supply, assuming everything is
installed right.

My charger has no current sensing. It can operate co-operatively, but
only if your other charger(s) are the same make and model.

As well as that, if every house has something along those lines, the
entire street supply will be over-stretched.

That I agree is more of a problem. I expect we\'ll start to see tariffs that
encourage load shedding at times of high local demand (eg cooperation
between local cars to stagger their charging times), especially since the
miles people do in the average day might only require a few hours of
charging. Such already exist for national demand.

The trouble is that we are getting more and more away from simply plug
and charge, needing to use multiple apps for car, charger and
electricity provider, possibly with 3rd party apps and relying upon them
all working together smoothly.

I already find it a minor irritation that, on getting home, I have to
get out of the car, without locking it (or the charge flap will also be
locked), which leaves lights, radio and dash on; plug in; then lock the
car; then use the charger app to set charging and the car\'s own app if I
want to monitor charge state. That\'s before we introduce a 3rd app to
allow the car to charge at lower demand times, rather than a fixed period.

Gas stations don\'t make me do all that. I can even go inside and pay
cash.

But you do have to go to the gas station and not just park up on your
driveway at the end of the day.

I park on the street.

Two gas stations are close to home and I can wash the windows while
the tank fills up; all that takes about 4 minutes. I never have to
wait for a pump to be available.

On a long trip, I don\'t even think about planning ranges or charge
stops overlapping meals or whatever, or whether I can drive at some
speed or run the heater. All that seems to amuse some people.

On a long trip, I would take my petrol car. But for now, the EV is
covering all my needs. I have driven my petrol car once in the last two
and a half weeks - and that was to make sure that the battery didn\'t end
up flat.

I suppose having two cars gives you more options.

We actually have four at the moment. The MG4 EV is the everyday car. The
Vauxhall Zafira is the long-distance/tow/7-seater/carrying DIY materials
car and also the spare for if my disabled wife wants to go out while I
am at work. The Chevrolet Matiz (currently off the road pending an MOT)
is only retained for teaching my sons to drive (three sons, each two
years from the next). The Robin Hood kit-car is just for fun and also
awaiting an MOT when the weather gets better.

I used to have two incase one was in the garage. But there\'s double the tax and MOTs. Insurance usually doubles unless you can find a rare sensible company who realises your mileage is the same.

 

[rbowman]

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 09:27:04 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

My wife and kid threatened to divorce me if I got one more
manual-transmission car. They couldn\'t drive a manual on the hills here.

iirc part of the driving test was starting on a hill.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Thu, 20 Apr 2023 00:30:38 +0100, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk> wrote:

On 18/04/2023 22:08, Carlos E.R. wrote:

On 2023-04-18 02:32, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 23:47:56 +0100, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-04-18 00:28, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 23:08:37 +0100, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

Well, I have all of that, except that the kettle is plain, not
electric, and the dishwasher has been broken for decades.

My dishwasher and washing machine both use 2-3kW. That would be a bit
of a problem in your house.

Not really. When it was working, we put it on then went to sleep. All
the house was off except the machine.

But only one of them. And not a quiet sleep.

Oh, very quiet. This house is big, there is some distance. Different
floor, and 4 doors between.

Modern machines are very quiet anyway. Our tumble-dryer is almost
inaudible. The (direct drive) washing machine is unnoticeable when
talking and hardly gets any louder when spinning!

You certainly don\'t notice them in the next room - even with the doors open.

I can hardly hear my washing machine on spin, until it decides to rearrange the kitchen.

 

[rbowman]

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 20:14:46 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

I have \'jane\' - my tomtom navigator in my smart phone. God she nags if I
don\'t go her way. I know where the speed cameras are. To be sure so
does she, but she isnt programmable to avoid them.

I had sort of a Bella Lugosi voice on my Nuvi. On long highway trips it
would get bored and say stuff like \'I think I hear someone in the trunk\'.

 

[Bob F]

On 4/19/2023 4:07 PM, SteveW wrote:

On 19/04/2023 14:07, Theo wrote:
In uk.d-i-y Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2023-04-19 14:12, Theo wrote:
That\'s called \'one pedal driving\', and on many EVs you can adjust the
retardation (regen) in a number of steps from coasting through to quite
aggressive braking.  Coasting is more like a regular transmission
where you
have to use the brake pedal, whereas with higher levels you can
drive with
accelerator alone.

By \"regular transmission\" you mean \"automatic\"?

Most cars here have a manual transmission, and on those the (gasoline)
car brakes somewhat when the accelerator pedal is released. We use that
to maintain the speed when going down long slopes, instead of using the
brake. If we need more brake action, we shift to a lower gear.

Both.  With a manual transmission you get some degree of engine
braking, but
you coast if you open the clutch.  Without actively changing down gear
the
amount of engine braking is not massive - if you purely let off the
accelerator doing 70mph on a flat road in top gear you don\'t get very
much
retardation.

It is possible to change down for more, but the engine isn\'t happy
about it
unless you match revs first, so in general it\'s easier to use the brakes.

Engine braking is not something you\'d do around town or on a regular
motorway unless you\'re in a hilly area, so most people don\'t use it very
often.

Many of us were taught to change down through the gears and use engine
braking for almost all stops, including around town. These days they
tend to rely on brakes and just change down to whatever gear they expect
to need as the set off or speed up again.

A motorcycle shop owner once told me \"brakes are a lot cheaper than
engine repair\".

 

[John Larkin]

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 23:43:54 +0100, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk>
wrote:

On 18/04/2023 16:40, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 11:53:23 +0100, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk
wrote:

On 18/04/2023 05:04, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 04:14:32 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 02:15:23 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 23:46:35 +0100, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk
wrote:

On 17/04/2023 19:33, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 17:50:00 +0100, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk
wrote:

On 17/04/2023 10:19, Theo wrote:
In uk.d-i-y SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk> wrote:
That\'s the problem. The 100A (or lower) supply is based on the
assumption of relatively short duration peak load and longer periods of
partial load, not long, large, continuous loads.

Car chargers run for many hours at a time, so two or three of those,
plus washing machine and tumble dryer (moved to night time for a cheaper
tariff), electric heaters, immersion heater and the possibility of the
electric oven and hob (according to my son, it\'s not unusual for
households with students to be baking cakes at 4am, after the
night-club!), plus someone getting up early and using the 10kW electric
shower and you have a load that the supply cable was never meant to take
continuously, plus a higher than normal peak to an already stressed supply.

EV chargers can be configured to sense the total load being offered by the
property. If the supply is 100A then the charger can throttle back the
current being taken by the car so it stays within the 100A envelope.
Somebody turns on the 50A electric shower, the car drops down to a low
current, once the shower is finished the car ramps up the current again. If
there are multiple chargers they can be configured not just to obey this,
but to cooperate in sharing the load: eg charger 1 has priority over charger
2. That arrangement saves going outside at 3am to unplug one car and plug
in another.

So there isn\'t a problem of busting your supply, assuming everything is
installed right.

My charger has no current sensing. It can operate co-operatively, but
only if your other charger(s) are the same make and model.

As well as that, if every house has something along those lines, the
entire street supply will be over-stretched.

That I agree is more of a problem. I expect we\'ll start to see tariffs that
encourage load shedding at times of high local demand (eg cooperation
between local cars to stagger their charging times), especially since the
miles people do in the average day might only require a few hours of
charging. Such already exist for national demand.

The trouble is that we are getting more and more away from simply plug
and charge, needing to use multiple apps for car, charger and
electricity provider, possibly with 3rd party apps and relying upon them
all working together smoothly.

I already find it a minor irritation that, on getting home, I have to
get out of the car, without locking it (or the charge flap will also be
locked), which leaves lights, radio and dash on; plug in; then lock the
car; then use the charger app to set charging and the car\'s own app if I
want to monitor charge state. That\'s before we introduce a 3rd app to
allow the car to charge at lower demand times, rather than a fixed period.

Gas stations don\'t make me do all that. I can even go inside and pay
cash.

But you do have to go to the gas station and not just park up on your
driveway at the end of the day.

I park on the street.

People here park on the street and just run a cable over the pavement.

I\'m lucky that I can usually park in front of my house, but that\'s not
guaranteed.

On street cleaning days, I park on another street. Envision a 500 foot
charging cable.



Two gas stations are close to home and I can wash the windows while
the tank fills up; all that takes about 4 minutes. I never have to
wait for a pump to be available.

If you\'re talking about a petrol pump and not an electric charger, WTF are you doing leaving it filling unattended? That\'s how this shit happens: https://media1.fdncms.com/orlando/imager/u/original/2826553/16832059_1350121135027085_3513683467753433350_n.jpg

Somehow I\'ve never done that. Electric car owners are the ones who
leave their cars unattended while they charge, because it takes so
long.


And 4 minutes? What are you doing, filling up a lorry? I fill my 50 litre petrol tank in one minute. Tell your garage to get faster pumps.

I like to wash and squeegee and wipe down my windows while the tank is
filling. That\'s what takes about 4 minutes about every two weeks,
unless I drive up into the mountains. It takes about 3/4 of a tank to
get to Truckee but only 1/2 to get back.

UK pumps cannot be operated unattended. They have the lock-on facility
disabled due to safety legislation.

Strange that there is a perceived safety issue. The auto shutoffs are
smarter than the average citizen.

There are plenty of videos online of failing to release and pouring
petrol all over the forecourt or drivers driving off with the nozzle
still left in the filler, snapping hoses off or even pulling pumps over.

We don\'t have \"forecourts\". They sound hazardous.

 

[John Larkin]

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 23:53:39 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
<CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 19:49:12 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 18:38:37 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> writes:
On 19 Apr 2023 15:00:56 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 07:10:34 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 19/04/2023 01:35, rbowman wrote:
On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 23:59:05 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

So the filling isn\'t 4 minutes? I think it\'s a litre a second in the
UK. Hardly slow enough to want to wander off. By the time I\'d walked
to the other end of the car and back it would be full.

By law in the US the maximum rate is 10 US gallons per minute (37.9
liters). As I stood in a snow squall this afternoon, 8.2 gallons took
forever.

I see that UTAH has had record snowfall this year. 50ft deep in the
mountains, extreme avalanche danger.

\"Our children just wont know what snow is\" etc..

At least in this valley we haven\'t had a lot of depth but the shit started
in early November

Fortunately for us, it snows nice clean white stuff here. You can even
eat it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpNn1nht0_8

So many guys think and talk compulsively about pee and poop... all the
time.

I think that\'s strange.

So many Americans can\'t bring themselves to say the word SHIT or EXCREMENT and say \"poop\".

If there is excrement to be dealt with, I\'ll call it excrement. But I
don\'t use the words constantly, out of context, which a lot of people
here do.

Snow is white, excrement isn\'t.

In the UK, \"poop\" is something you\'d hear a 3 year old say - \"I need to poop!\"

It\'s not a bad word. It\'s more polite than SHIT (shouted, in all
caps.)

Strange how many men shout that constantly, but I\'ve never met a woman
who does.

I has a girlfriend who said \"oh corrode\" when she was upset. That was
sort of cute.

 

[rbowman]

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 17:56:28 +0100, NY wrote:

My nephews have taken their tests fairly recently (within the last 10
years) and they said that changing down just before going down a long
hill is no longer taught and is actually deprecated. The current advice
is to use the brakes to do *all* the retardation.

I\'ve seen passenger cars smoke their brakes because they didn\'t shift
down.

The issue could be severe for big electric semis. Even diesels with
engine braking tend to smoke their brakes on a long downhill. We have
\"runaway truck ramps\" they can crash into when the brakes go out.

The trucks I drove had Jacobs brakes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compression_release_engine_brake

They were very effective but many trucks that operated primarily in the
east weren\'t equipped and often the drivers weren\'t familiar with mountain
driving. I80 coming down the hill from Donner pass has a number of
billboards coaching drivers.

There are a few of those long steep hills when I live, with escape lanes
(sand drags) for runaway trucks. Sadly there wasn\'t one (until
afterwards) on the hill where a coach\'s brakes failed and it ran into
the side of a car at the traffic lights at the bottom of the hill. Sadly
the occupants of the car were killed. Intriguingly, it was the driver of
the coach who was prosecuted for the coach having defective brakes, and
the company owner (who was responsible for scheduling maintenance and
attending to \"the brakes don\'t feel right\") who escaped punishment.

https://eastwickpress.com/news/2012/07/the-berlin-disaster-from-fifty-
years-ago-is-still-vividly-remembered/

My father and I were swimming when every mutual aid siren in the county
went off. It was bad but a couple of hundred yards further he would have
come to the town square that couldn\'t be navigated at speed. The driver
was lost and made a bad decision to go over the mountain.

 

[rbowman]

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 08:58:10 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

> Why do people build houses with flat roofs in snow country?

In some cases the original design anticipated enough heat loss to melt the
snow off the roof. And then they insulated the attic.

 

[rbowman]

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 10:36:02 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

Fortunately for us, it snows nice clean white stuff here. You can even
eat it.

You probably could eat this. Except under the bird feeder. And wear the
deer wander around. I\'d avoid the trail the raccoon made from his den to a
potential source of cat food.

 

[rbowman]

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 23:53:39 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

So many Americans can\'t bring themselves to say the word SHIT or
EXCREMENT and say \"poop\".

One of my mother\'s sayings directed toward some holier than thou type was
\'She wouldn\'t say shit if she had a mouthful.\'

 

[rbowman]

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 23:54:43 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

> An arse being what you sit on.

Something you stole from your German betters, Arschloch.

 

[rbowman]

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 07:54:40 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

Along the west coast of the USA, people are crazy on both ends. And a
spot or two in the middle, I admit.

Nah, in Humboldt County they\'re just stoned out of their gourds.

 

[rbowman]

On Thu, 20 Apr 2023 05:24:23 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:

I have up till now and have always got one but now realise that given I
want a fancy cruise control for long distance trips that an automatic
would work a lot better and would be convenient around town too.

I wasn\'t thrilled that a \'82 Firebird I bought had AT but that was what
was available. Then I took a contract in Boston... Boston probably isn\'t
the world\'s largest parking lot but they try harder.

One of the stranger chores I\'ve had was convincing my 70-odd year old
mother that she could drive an automatic. She\'d only been driving since
the early 1920s. She caught on fast and decided she really liked power
steering too. My father didn\'t believe in automatics, power anything, car
radios, and so forth.

 

[Rod Speed]

rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote

Rod Speed wrote

Most likely more small foreign cars.

I would guess it\'s the \'hot hatchback\' segment like the Civic Type R,
Golf
GTI, and GR Corolla rather than small foreign cars in general.

Not sure why it would be just the hot ones selling better in those years.

Oddly the
Mazda 3 Turbo only comes with a 6 speed AT. That would appeal to the
youth
market Cindy mentioned.

I don\'t care for 4 door hatchbacks

I insist on them, but that was so my massive great alsatian
had his own window. Previous was a 1300 VW Beetle. The
bugger insisted on having his head out the window all the
time so he could bite the trucks going past in the opposite
direction and used to slobber all down the back of my neck
in the summer. So I changed it for a 4 door Golf so he got
his own window.

4 door is much easier to load with big stuff too. I do garage/yard sales.

or I wouldn\'t mind one. I\'d love a GR
Yaris but that ain\'t happening in the US.

Plain vanilla small foreign cars are mostly AT.

Not here.

 

[Rod Speed]

On Thu, 20 Apr 2023 11:27:24 +1000, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 19:04:28 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

And ours are 50 litres per minute (that\'s my full tank). You have
bigger cars with slower petrol....

You haven\'t seen anything until you\'ve seen a pickup with dual tanks. I
remember those sunny days of yore when gas pumps only went up to $99.99.

My tank only holds 42 liters. What sort of whale do you drive?

A steaming turd small frog car. Renault something or other, forget which
exactlu.

 

[Rod Speed]

On Thu, 20 Apr 2023 11:54:21 +1000, John Larkin
<jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 23:43:54 +0100, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk
wrote:

On 18/04/2023 16:40, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 11:53:23 +0100, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk
wrote:

On 18/04/2023 05:04, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 04:14:32 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 02:15:23 +0100, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 23:46:35 +0100, SteveW
steve@walker-family.me.uk
wrote:

On 17/04/2023 19:33, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 17:50:00 +0100, SteveW
steve@walker-family.me.uk
wrote:

On 17/04/2023 10:19, Theo wrote:
In uk.d-i-y SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk> wrote:
That\'s the problem. The 100A (or lower) supply is based on the
assumption of relatively short duration peak load and longer
periods of
partial load, not long, large, continuous loads.

Car chargers run for many hours at a time, so two or three of
those,
plus washing machine and tumble dryer (moved to night time
for a cheaper
tariff), electric heaters, immersion heater and the
possibility of the
electric oven and hob (according to my son, it\'s not unusual
for
households with students to be baking cakes at 4am, after the
night-club!), plus someone getting up early and using the
10kW electric
shower and you have a load that the supply cable was never
meant to take
continuously, plus a higher than normal peak to an already
stressed supply.

EV chargers can be configured to sense the total load being
offered by the
property. If the supply is 100A then the charger can throttle
back the
current being taken by the car so it stays within the 100A
envelope.
Somebody turns on the 50A electric shower, the car drops down
to a low
current, once the shower is finished the car ramps up the
current again. If
there are multiple chargers they can be configured not just to
obey this,
but to cooperate in sharing the load: eg charger 1 has
priority over charger
2. That arrangement saves going outside at 3am to unplug one
car and plug
in another.

So there isn\'t a problem of busting your supply, assuming
everything is
installed right.

My charger has no current sensing. It can operate
co-operatively, but
only if your other charger(s) are the same make and model.

As well as that, if every house has something along those
lines, the
entire street supply will be over-stretched.

That I agree is more of a problem. I expect we\'ll start to
see tariffs that
encourage load shedding at times of high local demand (eg
cooperation
between local cars to stagger their charging times),
especially since the
miles people do in the average day might only require a few
hours of
charging. Such already exist for national demand.

The trouble is that we are getting more and more away from
simply plug
and charge, needing to use multiple apps for car, charger and
electricity provider, possibly with 3rd party apps and relying
upon them
all working together smoothly.

I already find it a minor irritation that, on getting home, I
have to
get out of the car, without locking it (or the charge flap will
also be
locked), which leaves lights, radio and dash on; plug in; then
lock the
car; then use the charger app to set charging and the car\'s own
app if I
want to monitor charge state. That\'s before we introduce a 3rd
app to
allow the car to charge at lower demand times, rather than a
fixed period.

Gas stations don\'t make me do all that. I can even go inside and
pay
cash.

But you do have to go to the gas station and not just park up on
your
driveway at the end of the day.

I park on the street.

People here park on the street and just run a cable over the
pavement.

I\'m lucky that I can usually park in front of my house, but that\'s
not
guaranteed.

On street cleaning days, I park on another street. Envision a 500
foot
charging cable.



Two gas stations are close to home and I can wash the windows while
the tank fills up; all that takes about 4 minutes. I never have to
wait for a pump to be available.

If you\'re talking about a petrol pump and not an electric charger,
WTF are you doing leaving it filling unattended? That\'s how this
shit happens:
https://media1.fdncms.com/orlando/imager/u/original/2826553/16832059_1350121135027085_3513683467753433350_n.jpg

Somehow I\'ve never done that. Electric car owners are the ones who
leave their cars unattended while they charge, because it takes so
long.


And 4 minutes? What are you doing, filling up a lorry? I fill my
50 litre petrol tank in one minute. Tell your garage to get faster
pumps.

I like to wash and squeegee and wipe down my windows while the tank
is
filling. That\'s what takes about 4 minutes about every two weeks,
unless I drive up into the mountains. It takes about 3/4 of a tank to
get to Truckee but only 1/2 to get back.

UK pumps cannot be operated unattended. They have the lock-on facility
disabled due to safety legislation.

Strange that there is a perceived safety issue. The auto shutoffs are
smarter than the average citizen.

There are plenty of videos online of failing to release and pouring
petrol all over the forecourt or drivers driving off with the nozzle
still left in the filler, snapping hoses off or even pulling pumps over.


We don\'t have \"forecourts\".

Yes you do.

> They sound hazardous.

Then you need a new hearing aid.

 

[Peeler]

On 20 Apr 2023 03:15:53 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


> Nah, in Humboldt County they\'re just stoned out of their gourds.

Another so very \"cool\" line by the self-admiring resident bigmouth,
all-American superhero ...and Trumptard, of course! LOL

--
More typical idiotic senile gossip by lowbrowwoman:
\"It\'s been years since I\'ve been in a fast food burger joint but I used
to like Wendy\'s because they had a salad bar and baked potatoes.\"
MID: <ivdi4gF8btlU1@mid.individual.net>

 

[Peeler]

On 20 Apr 2023 00:17:02 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


> That\'s 20 points higher than most of those he deals with.

I bet even a cop instantly recognizes you for the abnormal pathological
bigmouth that you are!

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More of the resident bigmouth\'s usual idiotic babble and gossip:
I\'m not saying my father and uncle wouldn\'t have drank Genesee beer
without Miss Genny but it certainly didn\'t hurt. Stanton\'s was the
hometown brewery but it closed in \'50. There was a Schaefer brewery in
Albany but their product was considered a step up from cat piss.

My preference was Rheingold on tap\"

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[Peeler]

On 20 Apr 2023 00:15:43 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

There are a couple around here. A friend who was a quadriplegic but could
drive a specially fitted van used them.

Admit, you don\'t have such a friend. You ONLY tried to show off your
knowledge of the word \"quadriplegic\"! LOL Too bad there aren\'t any capital
letters in it. Would have been even more \"impressive\"!

LOL What a fucking stupid bigmouth!

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Another one of the resident senile bigmouth\'s idiotic \"cool\" lines:
\"If you\'re an ax murderer don\'t leave souvenir photos on your phone.\"
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