One with the lot!..

[blofelds_cat]

Just JT wrote:

"blofelds_cat" <blofelds_cat@_SPECTRE.com> wrote:
Just JT wrote:


"blofelds_cat" <blofelds_cat@_SPECTRE.com> wrote in message
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At last!..

http://panasonic.com.au/products/details.cfm?objectID=4337

$1690 at JB..!

~~~~~~~~~~~~
BluRay is a rip off. And for that money, I'd get a decent
custom-built Desktop PC and use it as a media centre PC.

--
I.watch.video.media.from.hard.drive.


I'll stick with blueray, my 50" plasma and home theatre setup.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~
A media centre PC, 50" HDTV plasma and home theatre setup will beat
your setup anytime.

--
A.PC.will.beat.any.media.appliance.in.functionality.and.flexibility.

Oh so you're talking about setting up a PC into a home theatre set up?
So what is the PC actually doing that beats the Panasonic HD DVDR/PVR?

--
rgds,

Pete
=====
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their intelligence and the reason why they're there"

"Thank you Mr.Howard and Mr. Costello for the Christmas present Mr. Rudd sent me"

-media comments

 

[Just JT]

"DavidW" <no@email.provided> wrote:

Just JT wrote:
A.PC.will.beat.any.media.appliance.in.functionality.and.flexibility.

Maybe, but I don't think many families gather around the lounge-room PC to
watch a movie together.

~~~~~~~~~~~

The PC is connected to large flat-screen TV via HDMI. You watch on TV not
the PC.

--
I.watch.bit-torrent.downloads.via.laptop.and.50".HDTV.plasma


>

 

[Sir John Howard]

blofelds_cat wrote:

Just JT wrote:


"blofelds_cat" <blofelds_cat@_SPECTRE.com> wrote:
Just JT wrote:


"blofelds_cat" <blofelds_cat@_SPECTRE.com> wrote in message
news:cxubl.11037$cu.1668@news-server.bigpond.net.au...

At last!..

http://panasonic.com.au/products/details.cfm?objectID=4337

$1690 at JB..!

~~~~~~~~~~~~
BluRay is a rip off. And for that money, I'd get a decent
custom-built Desktop PC and use it as a media centre PC.

I'll stick with blueray, my 50" plasma and home theatre setup.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~
A media centre PC, 50" HDTV plasma and home theatre setup will beat
your setup anytime.

Oh so you're talking about setting up a PC into a home theatre set up?
So what is the PC actually doing that beats the Panasonic HD DVDR/PVR?

Video editing software. Plus Blu-ray recording. Only PCs could do that until
recently.

Its the cat's pyjamas!

--
"The Labour Party is corrupt beyond redemption!"
- Labour hasbeen Mark Latham in a moment of honest clarity.

 

[Just JT]

"Sir John Howard" <sirjohnhoward@gmail.con> wrote in message
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Just JT wrote:

"Sir John Howard" <sirjohnhoward@gmail.con> wrote:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
A media centre PC, 50" HDTV plasma and home theatre setup will beat
your setup anytime.

Yes, I have a Sony Vaio (VGN-AR) laptop with 17" 1080p, inbuilt TV
tuner, Blu-ray burner (so I can record!) and HDMI output. Battery barely
lasts an hour though.

~~~~~~~~~~~~
There's A/C power for your Sony Vaio.

Yes, I know. I was just pointing out that the battery isn't very powerful.

~~~~~~~~~~~

An extended battery pack will fix that.

--
Up.to.8.hours.of.heavy.use.

 

[Just JT]

"blofelds_cat" <blofelds_cat@_SPECTRE.com> wrote:

Oh so you're talking about setting up a PC into a home theatre set up?
~~~~~~~~~~~~

Yes, use a PC as your media centre appliance.

So what is the PC actually doing that beats the Panasonic HD DVDR/PVR?

~~~~~~~~~~~

Here's a list:

- Surf the web, watch Youtube and other video sites;

- Watch any video format that will ever exist;

- View your digital still photos;

- Automate your file backups and disk maintenance;

- Unlimited extensibility; e.g., you can increase hard drive capacity
anytime;

- Use it as a PC for general computing.

You want more?

--
And.a.PC.is.better.bang.for.$.than.any.proprietary.appliance.

 

[Alan Rutlidge]

"Luke O'Zade" <No_one@home> wrote in message
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"David L. Jones" <altzone@gmail.com> wrote in message
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"blofelds_cat" <blofelds_cat@_SPECTRE.com> wrote in message
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At last!..

http://panasonic.com.au/products/details.cfm?objectID=4337

$1690 at JB..!

Gee, what a bargain compared to BitTorrent :-/

Dave.
According to ZNet Blue Ray will be short lived.

Yeah (LOL), some idiot said the same thing about CD and vinyl records.

 

[Alan Rutlidge]

"Just JT" <JohnnyThor@Hotmale.com> wrote in message
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"blofelds_cat" <blofelds_cat@_SPECTRE.com> wrote:
Just JT wrote:


"blofelds_cat" <blofelds_cat@_SPECTRE.com> wrote in message
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At last!..

http://panasonic.com.au/products/details.cfm?objectID=4337

$1690 at JB..!

~~~~~~~~~~~~
BluRay is a rip off. And for that money, I'd get a decent custom-built
Desktop PC and use it as a media centre PC.

--
I.watch.video.media.from.hard.drive.


I'll stick with blueray, my 50" plasma and home theatre setup.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~
A media centre PC, 50" HDTV plasma and home theatre setup will beat your
setup anytime.

OMG, here we go again. My dick is bigger than your's shit.

 

[Just JT]

"Alan Rutlidge" <don't_spam_me_rutlidge@iinet.net.au> wrote:

I'll stick with blueray, my 50" plasma and home theatre setup.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~
A media centre PC, 50" HDTV plasma and home theatre setup will beat your
setup anytime.


OMG, here we go again. My dick is bigger than your's shit.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~

It doesn't have to be. A forum is about the exchange of ideas in the hope
that consumers will make better decisions in their equipment purchase.

--
PC=open.architecture.

 

[Alan Rutlidge]

"Just JT" <JohnnyThor@Hotmale.com> wrote in message
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"blofelds_cat" <blofelds_cat@_SPECTRE.com> wrote in message
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At last!..

http://panasonic.com.au/products/details.cfm?objectID=4337

$1690 at JB..!

~~~~~~~~~~~~
BluRay is a rip off. And for that money, I'd get a decent custom-built
Desktop PC and use it as a media centre PC.

--
I.watch.video.media.from.hard.drive.

I can just imaging enjoying the movie soundtrack with the PC's fans whirring
constantly in the background.
Most PC fans are blood noisy.

I've already got 2 PCs. A desktop and a notebook. Why the fuck would I want
another Windose based PITA POS in my livingroom?
Nice quiet fanless media boxes are already available for a fraction of the
cost of a PC. The WD TV HD Media box
http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.asp?driveid=572 costs under $199 and
plays lots of video and audio formats. Hook it up to any USB drive (accepts
up to 2 devices) and play your files from there. USB HDD are usually very
quiet too.
If you've already got a PC, why buy a HT PC which is noisy, consumes a lot
of power, takes time to boot, takes up a lot more space and probably needs
wireless mouse to even come close to the convenience of a nice small remote
control?

 

[Just JT]

"Alan Rutlidge" <don't_spam_me_rutlidge@iinet.net.au> wrote:

I can just imaging enjoying the movie soundtrack with the PC's fans
whirring constantly in the background.
Most PC fans are blood noisy.
~~~~~~~~~~~~

New PCs have quiet design. New fan design offer quiet operation.

I've already got 2 PCs. A desktop and a notebook. Why the fuck would I
want another Windose based PITA POS in my livingroom?
~~~~~~~~~~~

Who says you have to run Windows on the PC?

Nice quiet fanless media boxes are already available for a fraction of the
cost of a PC. The WD TV HD Media box
http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.asp?driveid=572 costs under $199
and plays lots of video and audio formats.
~~~~~~~~~~~

Lots but NOT ALL. A PC can play **ANY FORMAT** as you can install codec and
what not.

Hook it up to any USB drive (accepts up to 2 devices) and play your files
from there. USB HDD are usually very quiet too.
~~~~~~~~~~~~

This device doesn't have a TV tuner, thus it won't record FTV. And it won't
play BluRay disks. In short it's a waste of $199.

If you've already got a PC, why buy a HT PC which is noisy, consumes a lot
of power, takes time to boot, takes up a lot more space and probably needs
wireless mouse to even come close to the convenience of a nice small
remote control?

~~~~~~~~~~~

More functionality and extensibility which a proprietary device will ever
provide.

--
PC=more.functionality.at.a.reasonable.price.

 

[Rod Speed]

blofelds_cat wrote:

Rod Speed wrote:

F Murtz wrote:

blofelds_cat wrote:

At last!..

http://panasonic.com.au/products/details.cfm?objectID=4337

$1690 at JB..!


and probably half that in six months time..

( Did you want fries with that?.. )

I would hazard a guess and say all tape, discs etc are on the way
out shortly and all our video and audio will be on small memory
chips hi def and all


Bet you're wrong.

sounds reasonable.

Nope, because the media cost is much higher.

HD camcorders use memory chips now.

The problem isnt the technical capability, my STB can record to USB sticks etc.

The problem is that the cost of the media is much higher than say DVD-RWs etc.

and imagine if you could replace your entire CD/DVD collection with a bunch of memory chips?

Plenty do that already with hard drives instead.

if we can imagine it I'm sure Sony/Panasonic/etc., engineers can as well.

The problem aint with the imagining, its with the cost of the media.

 

[Rod Speed]

DavidW wrote:

Just JT wrote:
A.PC.will.beat.any.media.appliance.in.functionality.and.flexibility.

Maybe, but I don't think many families gather around the lounge-room
PC to watch a movie together.

They dont need to, any decent PVR PC can put it on the TV.

 

[Rod Speed]

blofelds_cat wrote:

DavidW wrote:

Just JT wrote:

A.PC.will.beat.any.media.appliance.in.functionality.and.flexibility.


Maybe, but I don't think many families gather around the lounge-room
PC to watch a movie together.




My thoughts exactly.

More fool you. And properly designed PC can put it on the TV trivially.

I've been doing it for years now.

 

[Rod Speed]

blofelds_cat wrote:

Just JT wrote:


"blofelds_cat" <blofelds_cat@_SPECTRE.com> wrote:
Just JT wrote:


"blofelds_cat" <blofelds_cat@_SPECTRE.com> wrote in message
news:cxubl.11037$cu.1668@news-server.bigpond.net.au...

At last!..

http://panasonic.com.au/products/details.cfm?objectID=4337

$1690 at JB..!

~~~~~~~~~~~~
BluRay is a rip off. And for that money, I'd get a decent
custom-built Desktop PC and use it as a media centre PC.

--
I.watch.video.media.from.hard.drive.


I'll stick with blueray, my 50" plasma and home theatre setup.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~
A media centre PC, 50" HDTV plasma and home theatre setup will beat
your setup anytime.

--
A.PC.will.beat.any.media.appliance.in.functionality.and.flexibility.


Oh so you're talking about setting up a PC into a home theatre set up?

HT/PVR etc, yes.

So what is the PC actually doing that beats the Panasonic HD DVDR/PVR?

Much more flexible, much cheaper, etc etc etc.

 

[Rod Speed]

Alan Rutlidge wrote:

"Just JT" <JohnnyThor@Hotmale.com> wrote in message
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"blofelds_cat" <blofelds_cat@_SPECTRE.com> wrote in message
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At last!..

http://panasonic.com.au/products/details.cfm?objectID=4337

$1690 at JB..!

~~~~~~~~~~~~
BluRay is a rip off. And for that money, I'd get a decent
custom-built Desktop PC and use it as a media centre PC.

--
I.watch.video.media.from.hard.drive.

I can just imaging enjoying the movie soundtrack with the PC's fans
whirring constantly in the background.
Most PC fans are blood noisy.

You just get a PC with quiet ones. Not a shred of rocket science whatever required.

I've already got 2 PCs. A desktop and a notebook. Why the fuck would I want another Windose based PITA POS in my
livingroom?

Because its a lot more convenient to use that what he listed.

Nice quiet fanless media boxes are already available for a fraction of the cost of a PC.

It costs peanuts to make a PC silent.

The WD TV HD Media box
http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.asp?driveid=572 costs under
$199 and plays lots of video and audio formats. Hook it up to any
USB drive (accepts up to 2 devices) and play your files from there. USB HDD are usually very quiet too.

Much more flexible to have a PC that does all the recording of what you want
to watch and be able to play what you have recorded any time you like.

No farting around changing the media like you'd have to do with the item the OP listed.

If you've already got a PC, why buy a HT PC which is noisy,

You buy one which aint.

consumes a lot of power,

Mine consumes fuck all.

takes time to boot,

Mine doesnt and its almost never booted anyway.

takes up a lot more space

I've got plenty of space.

and probably needs wireless mouse to even come close to the convenience of a nice small remote control?

I use a wireless mouse anyway. And the same one across all the PCs using synergy.

 

[Rod Speed]

Just JT wrote:

"Alan Rutlidge" <don't_spam_me_rutlidge@iinet.net.au> wrote:

I can just imaging enjoying the movie soundtrack with the PC's fans
whirring constantly in the background.
Most PC fans are blood noisy.
~~~~~~~~~~~~
New PCs have quiet design. New fan design offer quiet operation.


I've already got 2 PCs. A desktop and a notebook. Why the fuck
would I want another Windose based PITA POS in my livingroom?
~~~~~~~~~~~
Who says you have to run Windows on the PC?

Nice quiet fanless media boxes are already available for a fraction
of the cost of a PC. The WD TV HD Media box
http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.asp?driveid=572 costs under
$199 and plays lots of video and audio formats.
~~~~~~~~~~~
Lots but NOT ALL. A PC can play **ANY FORMAT** as you can install
codec and what not.

Hook it up to any USB drive (accepts up to 2 devices) and play your
files from there. USB HDD are usually very quiet too.
~~~~~~~~~~~~
This device doesn't have a TV tuner, thus it won't record FTV. And it
won't play BluRay disks. In short it's a waste of $199.


If you've already got a PC, why buy a HT PC which is noisy, consumes
a lot of power, takes time to boot, takes up a lot more space and
probably needs wireless mouse to even come close to the convenience
of a nice small remote control?

~~~~~~~~~~~
More functionality and extensibility which a proprietary device will ever provide.

And a hell of a lot more channels simultaneously recording than the original device too.

I routinely record 3 channels at once, occasionally 4.

 

[Ted]

Alan Rutlidge" <don't_spam_me_rutlidge@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
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If you've already got a PC, why buy a HT PC which is noisy, consumes a lot
of power, takes time to boot, takes up a lot more space and probably needs
wireless mouse to even come close to the convenience of a nice small
remote control?

I agree with that.
Also with a HTPC, it's ok when it's going ok, but sometimes you update a
driver, codec or software etc, and it becomes unstable and you have to stuff
around for ages, or one codec conflicts with someting else or the endless
other problems waiting to happen.
I like to just stick a disc into a stand alone player, press play and watch
the movie.
I dont' want to set there with a HTPC and prey that it doesnt blue screen,
overheat, or pop up with some cryptic error messages.

 

[Alan Rutlidge]

"Just JT" <JohnnyThor@Hotmale.com> wrote in message
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"Alan Rutlidge" <don't_spam_me_rutlidge@iinet.net.au> wrote:

I can just imaging enjoying the movie soundtrack with the PC's fans
whirring constantly in the background.
Most PC fans are blood noisy.
~~~~~~~~~~~~
New PCs have quiet design. New fan design offer quiet operation.


I've already got 2 PCs. A desktop and a notebook. Why the fuck would I
want another Windose based PITA POS in my livingroom?
~~~~~~~~~~~
Who says you have to run Windows on the PC?

Most of the software packages are designed to run under Windows. Not all
software will run under (say Linux), nor are there device drivers as well
catered for under non-Windows OS'.

Nice quiet fanless media boxes are already available for a fraction of
the cost of a PC. The WD TV HD Media box
http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.asp?driveid=572 costs under $199
and plays lots of video and audio formats.
~~~~~~~~~~~
Lots but NOT ALL. A PC can play **ANY FORMAT** as you can install codec
and what not.

It's software upgradeable. Did an upgrade to mine yesterday. It supports
most of the formats and if it doesn't just convert them with the supplied
software on your existing PC. Tried buying an off the shelf PC that doesn't
come with a Windows OS already loaded (which incidentally you pay for) other
than a Mac? Not much to chose from. Other option is DIY machine, then
instal an OS of your choice or perhaps scrap the existing OS on a pre-built
machine and load your choice of OS. All takes time. Time is money.

Hook it up to any USB drive (accepts up to 2 devices) and play your files
from there. USB HDD are usually very quiet too.
~~~~~~~~~~~~
This device doesn't have a TV tuner, thus it won't record FTV. And it
won't play BluRay disks. In short it's a waste of $199.

Only in your opinion.

Okay, so take an existing PC, add a Blu-ray drive to it because most don't
have one and the ones that do are expensive. Then add a HD digital TV tuner
card to it (more money). Make sure it has a HDMI full HD video card that
can do 1080p 50Hz , 60Hz and 24fps (more money) and more noisy fans. Then
shell out for a decent media indexing / search / player program (hold that
idea you'd either download a pirate copy or use some useless freeware - LOL)

USB mass storage is cheap. The WD box can fully support existing 2TB
external drives and accepts up to 2 devices (total so far 4TB).
Inexpensive, portable and reusable. If I don't want to use the WD HD TV
media box anymore, the most I stand to lose is the $199. A full blown HD
media PC will cost a lot more.

Another point in favour of the WD HD TV media box is that if I ever do want
to get rid of it I can put it on Fleabay and the postage to anywhere in
Australia is bugger all (about $11.00), whereas it would cost a lot more for
a media PC.

If you've already got a PC, why buy a HT PC which is noisy, consumes a
lot of power, takes time to boot, takes up a lot more space and probably
needs wireless mouse to even come close to the convenience of a nice
small remote control?

~~~~~~~~~~~
More functionality and extensibility which a proprietary device will ever
provide.

So how much does it cost for a decent dedicated HT PC?
Give me some Australian retailers (links) where I can compare prices in
support of your argument.

--
PC=more.functionality.at.a.reasonable.price.

Full stops between the words in a sentence - how quaint.

You just aren't getting it are you? If you are already reading this or
posting on the internet from home you already own a bloody PC of one sort or
another. What's the point in buying yet another bloody cumbersome, power
hungry and noisy box to take up yet more bloody space. You can't watch TV
and surf the Net at the same time.

 

[Just JT]

"Ted" <Ted@nospam.com> wrote:

Alan Rutlidge" <don't_spam_me_rutlidge@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
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If you've already got a PC, why buy a HT PC which is noisy, consumes a
lot of power, takes time to boot, takes up a lot more space and probably
needs wireless mouse to even come close to the convenience of a nice
small remote control?

I agree with that.
Also with a HTPC, it's ok when it's going ok, but sometimes you update a
driver, codec or software etc, and it becomes unstable and you have to
stuff around for ages, or one codec conflicts with someting else or the
endless other problems waiting to happen.
I like to just stick a disc into a stand alone player, press play and
watch the movie.
I dont' want to set there with a HTPC and prey that it doesnt blue
screen, overheat, or pop up with some cryptic error messages.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Those issues are trivial to the knowledgeable. If you aren't, you can get
your friendly computer shop to fix the issues for you.

For the $1700 cost of that Panasonic proprietary device, you can get a
more-than-decent PC to do what the Pana device can do and MORE.

--
PC=more.bang.for.buck.

 

[Just JT]

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

~~~~~~~~~~~
More functionality and extensibility which a proprietary device will ever
provide.

And a hell of a lot more channels simultaneously recording than the
original device too.

I routinely record 3 channels at once, occasionally 4.
~~~~~~~~~~~

Are you able to record Foxtel? What is your solution?

--
I.still.have.an.IQ2.to.record.and.watch.Foxtel.