New test for Coronavirus

On Thursday, March 26, 2020 at 5:45:05 AM UTC-4, Martin Brown wrote:

Trumps US policy looks like a deliberate and cynical attempt to cull the
poor, economically inactive and elderly section of the US population. It
will be interesting to see how such a laissez faire approach pans out.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

That's an appalling (not to mention irrational) conspiracy theory.

We've heard rumor after rumor after myth about how President Trump
'refused' WHO tests (never happened), 'censored' CDC officials
(didn't), disassembled our bioresponse capability (didn't).

It's all nonsense.

President Trump has been doing a awful lot to address this unknown
quantity in a rational, effective manner during a time when his
detractors have been spreading the virus, then complaining (even
as they cry for help.

Meanwhile NYC was busy thwarting the president's effort to stem the
influx, still having China-centered festivals and a parade nine days
after President Trump cut off travel from China, with NYC's Health
Commissioner urging New Yorkers not to let 'misinformation' about the
risk of spreading COVID dissuade them from joining the virus-sharing
party that has now spread its seed across the United States.

I don't see how that adds up to "President Trump intentionally
targeting seniors."

Cheers,
James Arthur

 

On Thu, 26 Mar 2020 08:27:42 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Thursday, March 26, 2020 at 5:45:05 AM UTC-4, Martin Brown wrote:

Trumps US policy looks like a deliberate and cynical attempt to cull the
poor, economically inactive and elderly section of the US population. It
will be interesting to see how such a laissez faire approach pans out.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

That's an appalling (not to mention irrational) conspiracy theory.

We've heard rumor after rumor after myth about how President Trump
'refused' WHO tests (never happened), 'censored' CDC officials
(didn't), disassembled our bioresponse capability (didn't).

It's all nonsense.

President Trump has been doing a awful lot to address this unknown
quantity in a rational, effective manner during a time when his
detractors have been spreading the virus, then complaining (even
as they cry for help.

Meanwhile NYC was busy thwarting the president's effort to stem the
influx, still having China-centered festivals and a parade nine days
after President Trump cut off travel from China, with NYC's Health
Commissioner urging New Yorkers not to let 'misinformation' about the
risk of spreading COVID dissuade them from joining the virus-sharing
party that has now spread its seed across the United States.

I don't see how that adds up to "President Trump intentionally
targeting seniors."

Cheers,
James Arthur

Half the panic around this virus is political. "Never let a crisis go
to waste."

I think it will backfire.



--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

The cork popped merrily, and Lord Peter rose to his feet.
"Bunter", he said, "I give you a toast. The triumph of Instinct over Reason"

 

[bitrex]

On 3/26/2020 10:48 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Thu, 26 Mar 2020 02:36:38 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

On 2020-03-25 22:42, Rick C wrote:
On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 at 8:55:40 PM UTC-4, Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 2020-03-25 19:45, Rick C wrote:
On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 at 2:35:42 PM UTC-4, Phil Hobbs wrote:

There's another study that claims that 50% of the UK population may have
already caught it. If so, most of whom must have gotten over it
quickly, because the percentage testing positive for the virus is much
less than that.

Palm slaps forehead> Yes, and what might be the proof the study used to determine 50% of the population had this bug? ESP? Or are you displaying a dry, British wit?

You really shouldn't be touching your face like that.

The study is from the University of Oxford, and highlights the need for
antibody studies ASAP.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/oxmu2rwsnhi9j9c/Draft-COVID-19-Model%20(13).pdf?dl=1

Perhaps you can explain exactly what is meant by "proportion of population at risk of severe disease"?

They talk about the ? value "decreased to plausible values". What are "plausible values"?

If antibody tests are used or not used, what will change with this disease?


If you can't understand the paper, I can't help that. Soooorrry.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Why would anyone WANT to be ignorant of the dynamics of this
infection? That should shock me but, sadly, it doesn't.

If indeed most people have had it, if it peaks and burns out quickly,
we don't need an extended lockdown.

<https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/03/26/our-leaders-are-terrified-not-of-the-virus-of-us/>

Yes, leaders should be quite scared of the people they work for, more
often than not. Real leadership can be a thankless job and heavy burden.
Isn't liberty grand? Sad it takes a pandemic to give them a shove in the
proper direction

 

[bitrex]

On 3/26/2020 12:11 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Thu, 26 Mar 2020 08:27:42 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Thursday, March 26, 2020 at 5:45:05 AM UTC-4, Martin Brown wrote:

Trumps US policy looks like a deliberate and cynical attempt to cull the
poor, economically inactive and elderly section of the US population. It
will be interesting to see how such a laissez faire approach pans out.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

That's an appalling (not to mention irrational) conspiracy theory.

We've heard rumor after rumor after myth about how President Trump
'refused' WHO tests (never happened), 'censored' CDC officials
(didn't), disassembled our bioresponse capability (didn't).

It's all nonsense.

President Trump has been doing a awful lot to address this unknown
quantity in a rational, effective manner during a time when his
detractors have been spreading the virus, then complaining (even
as they cry for help.

Meanwhile NYC was busy thwarting the president's effort to stem the
influx, still having China-centered festivals and a parade nine days
after President Trump cut off travel from China, with NYC's Health
Commissioner urging New Yorkers not to let 'misinformation' about the
risk of spreading COVID dissuade them from joining the virus-sharing
party that has now spread its seed across the United States.

I don't see how that adds up to "President Trump intentionally
targeting seniors."

Cheers,
James Arthur

Half the panic around this virus is political. "Never let a crisis go
to waste."

I think it will backfire.

Yes, the Trump administration isn't even good at providing a
night-watchman state that even the most dyed-in-the-wool free-market
libertarian tends to accept as being necessary for economic security.
Not even good at a basic requirement of free-market theory!

Conservatives have sometimes said government can't do anything right and
it would seem the Trump administration has proved their point. I will
watch with interest as to what rationalizations are devised after the
final death toll counted that they should continue cashing taxpayer
checks for whatever it is they do.

 

[bitrex]

On 3/26/2020 11:27 AM, dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:

On Thursday, March 26, 2020 at 5:45:05 AM UTC-4, Martin Brown wrote:

Trumps US policy looks like a deliberate and cynical attempt to cull the
poor, economically inactive and elderly section of the US population. It
will be interesting to see how such a laissez faire approach pans out.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

That's an appalling (not to mention irrational) conspiracy theory.

We've heard rumor after rumor after myth about how President Trump
'refused' WHO tests (never happened), 'censored' CDC officials
(didn't), disassembled our bioresponse capability (didn't).

It's all nonsense.

President Trump has been doing a awful lot to address this unknown
quantity in a rational, effective manner during a time when his
detractors have been spreading the virus, then complaining (even
as they cry for help.

Meanwhile NYC was busy thwarting the president's effort to stem the
influx, still having China-centered festivals and a parade nine days
after President Trump cut off travel from China, with NYC's Health
Commissioner urging New Yorkers not to let 'misinformation' about the
risk of spreading COVID dissuade them from joining the virus-sharing
party that has now spread its seed across the United States.

I don't see how that adds up to "President Trump intentionally
targeting seniors."

Cheers,
James Arthur

Yeah, Trump was still dribbling on about "foreign viruses" and bullshit
as if you could exclusively get the virus from Chinese restaurants long
after the number of red-blooded white Americans infected greatly
exceeded the number of Chinese. You'd probably be safer at a Chinese
festival at this point

 

[bitrex]

On 3/26/2020 11:27 AM, dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:

On Thursday, March 26, 2020 at 5:45:05 AM UTC-4, Martin Brown wrote:

Trumps US policy looks like a deliberate and cynical attempt to cull the
poor, economically inactive and elderly section of the US population. It
will be interesting to see how such a laissez faire approach pans out.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

That's an appalling (not to mention irrational) conspiracy theory.

We've heard rumor after rumor after myth about how President Trump
'refused' WHO tests (never happened), 'censored' CDC officials
(didn't), disassembled our bioresponse capability (didn't).

It's all nonsense.

President Trump has been doing a awful lot to address this unknown
quantity in a rational, effective manner during a time when his
detractors have been spreading the virus, then complaining (even
as they cry for help.

Meanwhile NYC was busy thwarting the president's effort to stem the
influx, still having China-centered festivals and a parade nine days
after President Trump cut off travel from China, with NYC's Health
Commissioner urging New Yorkers not to let 'misinformation' about the
risk of spreading COVID dissuade them from joining the virus-sharing
party that has now spread its seed across the United States.

I don't see how that adds up to "President Trump intentionally
targeting seniors."

Cheers,
James Arthur

My suburban Asian-immigrant neighbors tend to be extremely sanitary and
cautious and wear masks when ill even in other times and are staying
home and have been for a while now.

Unlike a number of my white suburban neighbors who tend to be truly
pig-ignorant stupos in the face of any sort of real crisis. They're none
too bright at the best of times and they'd still be running around out
there LA LA LA LA until someone had the good sense to shut down the
Starbucks.

 

[bitrex]

On 3/26/2020 5:44 AM, Martin Brown wrote:

Trumps US policy looks like a deliberate and cynical attempt to cull the
poor, economically inactive and elderly section of the US population. It
will be interesting to see how such a laissez faire approach pans out.

I have enough money saved to get by several months without a sale, the
airlines can't go 5 minutes without one before begging for a handout.

and they call me the "communist"

 

[John Larkin]

On Wed, 25 Mar 2020 19:38:07 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 at 12:34:24 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 25 Mar 2020 14:35:27 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

OTOH there's a CDC study out that shows that only 10% or so of family
members quarantined with people with confirmed cases come down with it.

Oh. I was ridiculed here for suggesting 20%.

Not the same situation; folk in quarantine KNOW there's a problem, and take
effective precautions. Your suggestion was that only 20% of folk are capable of catching the bug,
which is entirely different.

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/03/covid-19-fatalities-so-far.php

There's the 20% number again.

--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc
picosecond timing precision measurement

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Friday, March 27, 2020 at 1:44:16 AM UTC+11, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Thu, 26 Mar 2020 09:06:03 +0200, Mikko OH2HVJ
mikko.syrjalahti@nospam.fi> wrote:

John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> writes:

Suppose this is agressively virulent like measles (R0 about 15) among
suceptable people, but the symptoms are usually mild or none. Suppose
most people, especially kids, had already had it by the time the test
kits ramped up.

Nope - tracing the transmissions chains and testing exposed people has
shown R0 to be between 2 and 3.

In Finland initial R0 calculated from simple SEIR model fit and detected
cases went up to 4.7, but that was because most infections were
imported and the transmission chains were not fully tested.

With current limitations the estimate for R0 is somewhere between
1.4 - 1.8.

I said "among suceptable people."

The correct spelling is "susceptible", and it doesn't remotely let you off the hook. Covid-19 is lot less infectious than measles, but because it is a new virus, everybody is susceptible.

You can reduce the R0 by getting people to behave differently - lock-down and social distancing, but the only people to get that to work so far are China, South Korea, Hong Kong, Singapore and Taiwan.

Italy may be getting there, but it hadn't got there a week ago, as evidenced by the current new case data.

Measles is still about 15 among susceptible people, but vaccination
reduces the pool of available victims. Except for anti-vac morons.

There isn't a vaccine against Covid19 yet, and there won't be for at least a year.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Friday, March 27, 2020 at 1:49:00 AM UTC+11, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Thu, 26 Mar 2020 02:36:38 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

On 2020-03-25 22:42, Rick C wrote:
On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 at 8:55:40 PM UTC-4, Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 2020-03-25 19:45, Rick C wrote:
On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 at 2:35:42 PM UTC-4, Phil Hobbs wrote:

<snip>

Why would anyone WANT to be ignorant of the dynamics of this
infection? That should shock me but, sadly, it doesn't.

If indeed most people have had it, if it peaks and burns out quickly,
we don't need an extended lockdown.

The process of it burning out quickly involves having lots of people in acute respiratory distress - more than there are respirators around to treat them for - so lots more deaths than you'd get if you persuaded it to burn out slowly.

If you make the lock-down rigorous enough to that R0 gets well below one, you can eliminate it from the population before it kills many people at all - as has happened in Hubei Province. South Korea got to the same state by rigorous contact tracing and isolating everybody who might have been in contact with infected people.

You do seem to be ignorant of the dynamics of the infection, and the fact that it kills roughly 1% of those it infects (more if they elderly or vulnerable).

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Friday, March 27, 2020 at 2:27:53 AM UTC+11, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:

On Thursday, March 26, 2020 at 5:45:05 AM UTC-4, Martin Brown wrote:

Trumps US policy looks like a deliberate and cynical attempt to cull the
poor, economically inactive and elderly section of the US population. It
will be interesting to see how such a laissez faire approach pans out.

That's an appalling (not to mention irrational) conspiracy theory.

We've heard rumor after rumor after myth about how President Trump
'refused' WHO tests (never happened), 'censored' CDC officials
(didn't), disassembled our bioresponse capability (didn't).

His administrative team does seem to be assembled - and regularly culled - on the basis that it's main job is to keep the egomaniac happy, rather than to run the country competently.

This isn't doing anything good for the US bioresponse capability, amongst others.

> It's all nonsense.

Or so you think you can get away with claiming.

President Trump has been doing a awful lot to address this unknown
quantity in a rational, effective manner during a time when his
detractors have been spreading the virus, then complaining (even
as they cry for help.

Meanwhile NYC was busy thwarting the president's effort to stem the
influx, still having China-centered festivals and a parade nine days
after President Trump cut off travel from China, with NYC's Health
Commissioner urging New Yorkers not to let 'misinformation' about the
risk of spreading COVID dissuade them from joining the virus-sharing
party that has now spread its seed across the United States.

I don't see how that adds up to "President Trump intentionally
targeting seniors."

His "let's end lock-down by Easter" message wasn't exactly well-informed.

Lots of what he has said hasn't sounded all that rational, and I don't recall any presidential message actually telling people not to go to Chinese New Year festivities.

He hasn't got the attention span to comprehend the kind of information he should have absorbed - any more than John Larkin has.

Trying to paint him as constructive force is difficult when he spends most of his time fishing for compliments.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[bitrex]

On 3/26/2020 8:07 PM, John Robertson wrote:

On 2020/03/26 2:03 p.m., bitrex wrote:
On 3/26/2020 11:27 AM, dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:
On Thursday, March 26, 2020 at 5:45:05 AM UTC-4, Martin Brown wrote:

Trumps US policy looks like a deliberate and cynical attempt to cull
the
poor, economically inactive and elderly section of the US
population. It
will be interesting to see how such a laissez faire approach pans out.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

That's an appalling (not to mention irrational) conspiracy theory.

We've heard rumor after rumor after myth about how President Trump
'refused' WHO tests (never happened), 'censored' CDC officials
(didn't), disassembled our bioresponse capability (didn't).

It's all nonsense.

President Trump has been doing a awful lot to address this unknown
quantity in a rational, effective manner during a time when his
detractors have been spreading the virus, then complaining (even
as they cry for help.

Meanwhile NYC was busy thwarting the president's effort to stem the
influx, still having China-centered festivals and a parade nine days
after President Trump cut off travel from China, with NYC's Health
Commissioner urging New Yorkers not to let 'misinformation' about the
risk of spreading COVID dissuade them from joining the virus-sharing
party that has now spread its seed across the United States.

I don't see how that adds up to "President Trump intentionally
targeting seniors."

Cheers,
James Arthur


Yeah, Trump was still dribbling on about "foreign viruses" and
bullshit as if you could exclusively get the virus from Chinese
restaurants long after the number of red-blooded white Americans
infected greatly exceeded the number of Chinese. You'd probably be
safer at a Chinese festival at this point

Unfortunately the USA is indeed number one now:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

And Trump is talking about putting US soldiers patrolling the border.
Does he think Canadians want to invade the USA right now?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-canada-idUSKBN21D2PK

Or is the plan to block Americans from fleeing?

Right. Look even this foreign guy can figure out the score. The beatings
will continue, until morale improves.

> John :-#(#

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Friday, March 27, 2020 at 8:55:35 AM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:

On Wed, 25 Mar 2020 19:38:07 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com
wrote:

On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 at 12:34:24 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 25 Mar 2020 14:35:27 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

OTOH there's a CDC study out that shows that only 10% or so of family
members quarantined with people with confirmed cases come down with it.

Oh. I was ridiculed here for suggesting 20%.

Not the same situation; folk in quarantine KNOW there's a problem, and take
effective precautions. Your suggestion was that only 20% of folk are capable of catching the bug,
which is entirely different.

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/03/covid-19-fatalities-so-far.php

There's the 20% number again.

From the same source.

Delivered by the kind of halfwit who hasn't noticed that the Diamond Princess was supposedly keeping it's passengers isolated from one another when they got infected.

The crew did a pretty rotten job in letting 20% of the passengers get infected anyway, but the data really doesn't say anything about how many might have got infected if the passengers hadn't been isolated at all.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[bitrex]

On 3/26/2020 8:02 PM, Bill Sloman wrote:

On Friday, March 27, 2020 at 3:11:21 AM UTC+11, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Thu, 26 Mar 2020 08:27:42 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:
On Thursday, March 26, 2020 at 5:45:05 AM UTC-4, Martin Brown wrote:

Trumps US policy looks like a deliberate and cynical attempt to cull the
poor, economically inactive and elderly section of the US population. It
will be interesting to see how such a laissez faire approach pans out.

snip

I don't see how that adds up to "President Trump intentionally
targeting seniors."

James Arthur can't see anything wrong with anything President Trump does. Trump is now a Republican, and thus - for James Arthur - infallible on matters of aith and doctrine.

Half the panic around this virus is political. "Never let a crisis go
to waste."

I think it will backfire.

If the Covid-19 epedimic kills a lot of Americans there will be consequences

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

It has now had more cases of the disease than China and is likely to end up with more deaths.

China went from a standing start to effective containment. America was forewarned but hasn't done nearly as well, and heads will roll in consequence.

Yeah someone's heads will roll but I doubt it will be anyone's who had
real authority.

The beatings will continue, until morale improves.

 

[John Robertson]

On 2020/03/26 2:03 p.m., bitrex wrote:

On 3/26/2020 11:27 AM, dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:
On Thursday, March 26, 2020 at 5:45:05 AM UTC-4, Martin Brown wrote:

Trumps US policy looks like a deliberate and cynical attempt to cull the
poor, economically inactive and elderly section of the US population. It
will be interesting to see how such a laissez faire approach pans out.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

That's an appalling (not to mention irrational) conspiracy theory.

We've heard rumor after rumor after myth about how President Trump
'refused' WHO tests (never happened), 'censored' CDC officials
(didn't), disassembled our bioresponse capability (didn't).

It's all nonsense.

President Trump has been doing a awful lot to address this unknown
quantity in a rational, effective manner during a time when his
detractors have been spreading the virus, then complaining (even
as they cry for help.

Meanwhile NYC was busy thwarting the president's effort to stem the
influx, still having China-centered festivals and a parade nine days
after President Trump cut off travel from China, with NYC's Health
Commissioner urging New Yorkers not to let 'misinformation' about the
risk of spreading COVID dissuade them from joining the virus-sharing
party that has now spread its seed across the United States.

I don't see how that adds up to "President Trump intentionally
targeting seniors."

Cheers,
James Arthur


Yeah, Trump was still dribbling on about "foreign viruses" and bullshit
as if you could exclusively get the virus from Chinese restaurants long
after the number of red-blooded white Americans infected greatly
exceeded the number of Chinese. You'd probably be safer at a Chinese
festival at this point

Unfortunately the USA is indeed number one now:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

And Trump is talking about putting US soldiers patrolling the border.
Does he think Canadians want to invade the USA right now?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-canada-idUSKBN21D2PK

Or is the plan to block Americans from fleeing?

John :-#(#

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Friday, March 27, 2020 at 3:11:21 AM UTC+11, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Thu, 26 Mar 2020 08:27:42 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:
On Thursday, March 26, 2020 at 5:45:05 AM UTC-4, Martin Brown wrote:

Trumps US policy looks like a deliberate and cynical attempt to cull the
poor, economically inactive and elderly section of the US population. It
will be interesting to see how such a laissez faire approach pans out.

<snip>

I don't see how that adds up to "President Trump intentionally
targeting seniors."

James Arthur can't see anything wrong with anything President Trump does. Trump is now a Republican, and thus - for James Arthur - infallible on matters of aith and doctrine.

Half the panic around this virus is political. "Never let a crisis go
to waste."

I think it will backfire.

If the Covid-19 epedimic kills a lot of Americans there will be consequences

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

It has now had more cases of the disease than China and is likely to end up with more deaths.

China went from a standing start to effective containment. America was forewarned but hasn't done nearly as well, and heads will roll in consequence.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[bitrex]

On 3/26/2020 8:07 PM, John Robertson wrote:

On 2020/03/26 2:03 p.m., bitrex wrote:
On 3/26/2020 11:27 AM, dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:
On Thursday, March 26, 2020 at 5:45:05 AM UTC-4, Martin Brown wrote:

Trumps US policy looks like a deliberate and cynical attempt to cull
the
poor, economically inactive and elderly section of the US
population. It
will be interesting to see how such a laissez faire approach pans out.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

That's an appalling (not to mention irrational) conspiracy theory.

We've heard rumor after rumor after myth about how President Trump
'refused' WHO tests (never happened), 'censored' CDC officials
(didn't), disassembled our bioresponse capability (didn't).

It's all nonsense.

President Trump has been doing a awful lot to address this unknown
quantity in a rational, effective manner during a time when his
detractors have been spreading the virus, then complaining (even
as they cry for help.

Meanwhile NYC was busy thwarting the president's effort to stem the
influx, still having China-centered festivals and a parade nine days
after President Trump cut off travel from China, with NYC's Health
Commissioner urging New Yorkers not to let 'misinformation' about the
risk of spreading COVID dissuade them from joining the virus-sharing
party that has now spread its seed across the United States.

I don't see how that adds up to "President Trump intentionally
targeting seniors."

Cheers,
James Arthur


Yeah, Trump was still dribbling on about "foreign viruses" and
bullshit as if you could exclusively get the virus from Chinese
restaurants long after the number of red-blooded white Americans
infected greatly exceeded the number of Chinese. You'd probably be
safer at a Chinese festival at this point

Unfortunately the USA is indeed number one now:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

And Trump is talking about putting US soldiers patrolling the border.
Does he think Canadians want to invade the USA right now?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-canada-idUSKBN21D2PK

Or is the plan to block Americans from fleeing?

John :-#(#

America's powerful have noted the people's lack of faith in their
leadership and the free-market system! The people will have to pay a
heavy price for forcing them into the position of dabbling in socialism.

Whatever piddly amount Congress is planning on doling out to Joe Public
in "aid" it's sure not going to be worth the gun billionaire crony
capitalism shoves up his ass for having the temerity to not die quietly.

Hopefully the threat will pass before billionaire cronies realize they
prefer things this way.

 

On Thursday, March 26, 2020 at 8:07:46 PM UTC-4, John Robertson wrote:

On 2020/03/26 2:03 p.m., bitrex wrote:
On 3/26/2020 11:27 AM, dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:
On Thursday, March 26, 2020 at 5:45:05 AM UTC-4, Martin Brown wrote:

Trumps US policy looks like a deliberate and cynical attempt to cull the
poor, economically inactive and elderly section of the US population. It
will be interesting to see how such a laissez faire approach pans out.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

That's an appalling (not to mention irrational) conspiracy theory.

We've heard rumor after rumor after myth about how President Trump
'refused' WHO tests (never happened), 'censored' CDC officials
(didn't), disassembled our bioresponse capability (didn't).

It's all nonsense.

President Trump has been doing a awful lot to address this unknown
quantity in a rational, effective manner during a time when his
detractors have been spreading the virus, then complaining (even
as they cry for help.

Meanwhile NYC was busy thwarting the president's effort to stem the
influx, still having China-centered festivals and a parade nine days
after President Trump cut off travel from China, with NYC's Health
Commissioner urging New Yorkers not to let 'misinformation' about the
risk of spreading COVID dissuade them from joining the virus-sharing
party that has now spread its seed across the United States.

I don't see how that adds up to "President Trump intentionally
targeting seniors."

Cheers,
James Arthur


Yeah, Trump was still dribbling on about "foreign viruses" and bullshit
as if you could exclusively get the virus from Chinese restaurants long
after the number of red-blooded white Americans infected greatly
exceeded the number of Chinese. You'd probably be safer at a Chinese
festival at this point

Unfortunately the USA is indeed number one now:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

The U.S. infection rate is currently 36th on that list at 259 ppm,
which is lower than nearly all of Europe. Sweden, which, interestingly,
has not locked down, is at 281 ppm. France is at 447 ppm, Germany 524 ppm,
Norway 622 ppm, Italy 1,333 ppm, Switzerland 1,365 ppm.

If New Yorkers hadn't spread it all over, the U.S. might already be past
this thing.

But if we gave you New York, you could be #1 in cases (and possibly,
soon, in infection rate) too.

And Trump is talking about putting US soldiers patrolling the border.
Does he think Canadians want to invade the USA right now?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-canada-idUSKBN21D2PK

Or is the plan to block Americans from fleeing?

John :-#(#

Cheers,
James Arthur

 

On Thursday, March 26, 2020 at 5:11:56 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:

On 3/26/2020 11:27 AM, dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:
On Thursday, March 26, 2020 at 5:45:05 AM UTC-4, Martin Brown wrote:

Trumps US policy looks like a deliberate and cynical attempt to cull the
poor, economically inactive and elderly section of the US population. It
will be interesting to see how such a laissez faire approach pans out.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

That's an appalling (not to mention irrational) conspiracy theory.

We've heard rumor after rumor after myth about how President Trump
'refused' WHO tests (never happened), 'censored' CDC officials
(didn't), disassembled our bioresponse capability (didn't).

It's all nonsense.

President Trump has been doing a awful lot to address this unknown
quantity in a rational, effective manner during a time when his
detractors have been spreading the virus, then complaining (even
as they cry for help.

Meanwhile NYC was busy thwarting the president's effort to stem the
influx, still having China-centered festivals and a parade nine days
after President Trump cut off travel from China, with NYC's Health
Commissioner urging New Yorkers not to let 'misinformation' about the
risk of spreading COVID dissuade them from joining the virus-sharing
party that has now spread its seed across the United States.

I don't see how that adds up to "President Trump intentionally
targeting seniors."

Cheers,
James Arthur


My suburban Asian-immigrant neighbors tend to be extremely sanitary and
cautious and wear masks when ill even in other times and are staying
home and have been for a while now.

Unlike a number of my white suburban neighbors who tend to be truly
pig-ignorant stupos in the face of any sort of real crisis. They're none
too bright at the best of times and they'd still be running around out
there LA LA LA LA until someone had the good sense to shut down the
Starbucks.

For Pete's sake, cleanliness and race have nothing to do with it.

Big gatherings mixing newbies with people who have likely come from
a plague area is a bad idea.

NYC overflowing with infections isn't proof enough for you that their
experiment mixing infected and non-infected people was insane? It
sure ought to be.

Cheers,
James Arthur

 

On Thursday, March 26, 2020 at 11:57:26 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:

On 3/26/2020 11:09 PM, dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:
On Thursday, March 26, 2020 at 5:11:56 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 3/26/2020 11:27 AM, dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:
On Thursday, March 26, 2020 at 5:45:05 AM UTC-4, Martin Brown wrote:

Trumps US policy looks like a deliberate and cynical attempt to cull the
poor, economically inactive and elderly section of the US population. It
will be interesting to see how such a laissez faire approach pans out.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

That's an appalling (not to mention irrational) conspiracy theory.

We've heard rumor after rumor after myth about how President Trump
'refused' WHO tests (never happened), 'censored' CDC officials
(didn't), disassembled our bioresponse capability (didn't).

It's all nonsense.

President Trump has been doing a awful lot to address this unknown
quantity in a rational, effective manner during a time when his
detractors have been spreading the virus, then complaining (even
as they cry for help.

Meanwhile NYC was busy thwarting the president's effort to stem the
influx, still having China-centered festivals and a parade nine days
after President Trump cut off travel from China, with NYC's Health
Commissioner urging New Yorkers not to let 'misinformation' about the
risk of spreading COVID dissuade them from joining the virus-sharing
party that has now spread its seed across the United States.

I don't see how that adds up to "President Trump intentionally
targeting seniors."

Cheers,
James Arthur


My suburban Asian-immigrant neighbors tend to be extremely sanitary and
cautious and wear masks when ill even in other times and are staying
home and have been for a while now.

Unlike a number of my white suburban neighbors who tend to be truly
pig-ignorant stupos in the face of any sort of real crisis. They're none
too bright at the best of times and they'd still be running around out
there LA LA LA LA until someone had the good sense to shut down the
Starbucks.

For Pete's sake, cleanliness and race have nothing to do with it.

Big gatherings mixing newbies with people who have likely come from
a plague area is a bad idea.

There is zero evidence "Chinese festivals" or Chinese travelers had a
thing to do with it. Looks like the first cases were Americans traveling
around the world as wealthy Americans tend to do.

NYC overflowing with infections isn't proof enough for you that their
experiment mixing infected and non-infected people was insane? It
sure ought to be.

Cheers,
James Arthur


"their experiment"? What should they have done circa late February when
the first case was detected? How were they to determine who was infected
or not test the whole city? There were no kits available and still aren't.

Should they have locked down the whole city immediately? NYC is the
center of the US financial sector that would have smashed the stock
market thru the floor while Trump was still running his "Everything is
fine"-game, before his cronies and business associates had finished
dumping their shares.

Now you're just being tedious. Canceling a parade wouldn't
crash the stock market. But not canceling it sure did.

There's a virus. It comes from China. There was a widespread
awareness, to the point that New York City's Health Commissioner
had to urge people to attend the parade *despite* their concerns
of contracting about the Wuhan flu.

Was that wise? Did that make sense?

I just compiled the worldometers.org numbers according to
infection rates by state...
1. New York - 2,004 ppm
2. New Jersey - 774 ppm
3. Louisiana - 496 ppm
4. Washington - 412 ppm
5. D.C. - 328 ppm

Cheers,
James Arthur