Lithium batteries, not worth it...

[Rod Speed]

On Sat, 22 Apr 2023 00:10:47 +1000, John Larkin
<jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Fri, 21 Apr 2023 16:15:19 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

On Fri, 21 Apr 2023 15:13:04 +1000, Jasen Betts
usenet@revmaps.no-ip.org
wrote:

On 2023-04-20, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 21 Apr 2023 00:08:18 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Thu, 20 Apr 2023 14:56:21 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote
John Larkin wrote
rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote
John Larkin wrote

The old BBC mysteries had murders performed with coal gas. Or
guns.
Now they have to use poison or push people off roofs.

Sylvia Plath found it quiet effective. You might blow the place
up
but
it was more environmentally friendly than what the Japanese came
up
with.

https://www.wired.com/2009/03/japanese-deterg/

They\'re polite though. They print warning signs advising
responders
to
don hazmat suits prior to retrieving the corpse.

Yuk. H2S is stinky.

And people wonder why suicides with firearms shoot themselves.

\"Razors pain you, rivers are damp,
acids stain you, drugs cause cramp.

Nembutal doesnt.

Helium works fine.

Guns aren\'t lawful, nooses give,
gas smells awful; you might as well live.\"

Dorothy Parker

The ideal tool for suicide or execution is nitrogen.

Nope, helium is much more readily available.

You can buy helium more easily, but nitrogen is much cheaper.

No its not, helium is much cheaper.

It\'s also easier to make nitrogen at home.

Much easier to just get a small cylinder of
helium and take it home or have it delivered.

\"Liquid nitrogen costs as much as beer and liquid helium costs as much
as whiskey.\"

The practical reality is that that isnt suitable for domestic use.

And yes, at one work I was the one who kept the liquid nitrogen supply up
to spec.

You certainly can buy small disposable cylinders of nitrogen gas
but they cost considerably more than the same thing of helium.

 

[Rod Speed]

On Sat, 22 Apr 2023 02:22:36 +1000, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home>
wrote:

John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> writes:
On Fri, 21 Apr 2023 16:15:19 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

On Fri, 21 Apr 2023 15:13:04 +1000, Jasen Betts
usenet@revmaps.no-ip.org
wrote:


Nope, helium is much more readily available.

You can buy helium more easily, but nitrogen is much cheaper.

No its not, helium is much cheaper.

It\'s also easier to make nitrogen at home.

Much easier to just get a small cylinder of
helium and take it home or have it delivered.

\"Liquid nitrogen costs as much as beer and liquid helium costs as much
as whiskey.\"

Speedy\'s assertion about helium availability is inaccurate.

We\'ll see...

There is
a significant helium shortage, in part due to the war in Ukraine; as
Russia was a major supplier of He.

Irrelevant to what works fine when russia isnt invading
the ukraine and there is still plenty of helium for party
balloons here. Not sure where ours comes from.

Medical professionals are worried
as MRI machines require He for operation. My local grocery store won\'t
fill balloons that weren\'t purchased at the store due to short supplies.

We can buy kits of a box of balloons and a cylinder of helium.

The company Party City had to declare bankruptcy in January, in part due
to
helium shortages and the resulting price rise.

Hasn\'t happened here.

Spot prices have dropped by 30% since the the peak in mid january, but
projections are for continuing supply side scarcity.

Still cheaper than small cylinders of nitrogen.

 

[Rod Speed]

rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote

Rod Speed wrote

Nope, trivially buyable for stuff a trivial as party balloons.

https://www.nbcnews.com/business/consumer/global-helium-shortage-puts-
future-party-city-air-n1004386

Our main seller of helium for party balloons sells a hell
of a lot more than just party supplys and is still doing fine.

Its hardly surprising that an operation that does
nothing but partys would be affected by covid.

I never understood how they made a living but the space where the local
party store was is now up for lease. It probably was more than helium.

Corse it was.

I
often walk over the the adjacent market to get something for dinner and
people stuffing balloons in their cars was a common sight. No more. I\'ve
no idea if there is another store in town.

 

[rbowman]

On Sat, 22 Apr 2023 10:51:20 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:

Our main seller of helium for party balloons sells a hell of a lot more
than just party supplys and is still doing fine.

I never went into the store but I was amazed it lasted. We have a constant
turnover of hippy-dippy little ventures with the life span of a mayfly.
Not that I have anything against hippies but it must take a goodly
quantity of good dope to think you can make a living selling teddy bears
with the store front rentals as costly as they are.

 

[Rod Speed]

On Sat, 22 Apr 2023 13:17:19 +1000, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Sat, 22 Apr 2023 10:51:20 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:

Our main seller of helium for party balloons sells a hell of a lot more
than just party supplys and is still doing fine.

I never went into the store but I was amazed it lasted. We have a
constant
turnover of hippy-dippy little ventures with the life span of a mayfly.
Not that I have anything against hippies but it must take a goodly
quantity of good dope to think you can make a living selling teddy bears
with the store front rentals as costly as they are.

We did have one party operation. Not sure if it still
operates but it never operated out of a store front
rental, just a massive great tin shed in the industrial area.

 

[Peeler]

On Sat, 22 Apr 2023 10:51:20 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin\'s latest trollshit unread>

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Rod Speed is an entirely modern phenomenon. Essentially, Rod Speed
is an insecure and worthless individual who has discovered he can
enhance his own self-esteem in his own eyes by playing \"the big, hard
man\" on the InterNet.\"
https://www.pcreview.co.uk/threads/rod-speed-faq.2973853/

 

[Peeler]

On 22 Apr 2023 03:17:19 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

I never went into the store but I was amazed it lasted. We have a constant
turnover of hippy-dippy little ventures with the life span of a mayfly.
Not that I have anything against hippies but it must take a goodly
quantity of good dope to think you can make a living selling teddy bears
with the store front rentals as costly as they are.

And the shit just keeps flowing out of the resident senile psycho\'s sick
senile head!

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DST. I remarked on the time difference and the crusty old waitress said
\'We keep God\'s time in Virginia.\'

I also lived in Ft. Wayne for a while.\"

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[Peeler]

On Sat, 22 Apr 2023 14:24:28 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

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[Peeler]

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Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

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[Peeler]

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Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

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[whit3rd]

On Friday, April 21, 2023 at 5:30:45 PM UTC-7, Rod Speed wrote:

On Sat, 22 Apr 2023 00:10:47 +1000, John Larkin
jla...@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

\"Liquid nitrogen costs as much as beer and liquid helium costs as much
as whiskey.\"
The practical reality is that that isnt suitable for domestic use.

And yes, at one work I was the one who kept the liquid nitrogen supply up
to spec.

You certainly can buy small disposable cylinders of nitrogen gas
but they cost considerably more than the same thing of helium.

False.
For filling balloons, an impure (He-N2 mixture) is distributed in low
pressure tanks (maybe 50 psi). For welding, a nitrogen tank would
be at 2000psi, with a LOT more cubic feet of gas, at standard
temperature and pressure. Those tanks are heavy, steel, and
take a deposit, but are relatively inexpensive to refill.

Helium is a scarce item, and liquid helium is almost always NOT vented to
atmosphere as it boils, but carefully collected for reuse.

 

[Jasen Betts]

On 2023-04-22, whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote:

On Friday, April 21, 2023 at 5:30:45 PM UTC-7, Rod Speed wrote:
On Sat, 22 Apr 2023 00:10:47 +1000, John Larkin
jla...@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

\"Liquid nitrogen costs as much as beer and liquid helium costs as much
as whiskey.\"
The practical reality is that that isnt suitable for domestic use.

And yes, at one work I was the one who kept the liquid nitrogen supply up
to spec.

You certainly can buy small disposable cylinders of nitrogen gas
but they cost considerably more than the same thing of helium.

False.
For filling balloons, an impure (He-N2 mixture) is distributed in low
pressure tanks (maybe 50 psi). For welding, a nitrogen tank would
be at 2000psi, with a LOT more cubic feet of gas, at standard
temperature and pressure. Those tanks are heavy, steel, and
take a deposit, but are relatively inexpensive to refill.

Helium is a scarce item, and liquid helium is almost always NOT vented to
atmosphere as it boils, but carefully collected for reuse.

There\'s also small N2 tanks used by home brewers trying to DIY guinness
I don\'t know know how they compare with the baloon gas tanks for
volume but they seem to come at about the same price.

--
Jasen.
🇺🇦 Слава Україні

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Saturday, April 22, 2023 at 3:33:30 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:

On Fri, 21 Apr 2023 16:22:36 GMT, sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote:
John Larkin <jla...@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> writes:
On Fri, 21 Apr 2023 16:15:19 +1000, \"Rod Speed\" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 21 Apr 2023 15:13:04 +1000, Jasen Betts <use...@revmaps.no-ip.org> wrote:

<snip>

> A couple of times I should have had an MRI, I got a cat scan or a plain x-ray instead. MRIs are slow and expensive and the cryo bits are part of that.

Dumb choice. MRI offers twice the resolution, and zero ionising radiation. It\'s expensive, but offers value for money.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sat, 15 Apr 2023 18:40:16 +0100, John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

On Sat, 15 Apr 2023 19:10:56 +0200, Thomas Prufer
prufer.public@mnet-online.de.invalid> wrote:

here is a commercially available woodburner that includes a small fan, and
charges a cell from a thermopile that gets it\'s heat from the fire the fan helps
along -- the \"BioLite Campstove\" so there is a market for such things.

2 pounds, 3 watts. If you\'re camping, turn off your phone.

The point of camping is to get away from civilisation. I never take a phone. Or a stove for that matter. Bring cold food, no cooking equipment to carry!

Or get a battery-powered cell phone charger, lighter and much cheaper.

I have a cool lithium battery car starter, claimed 1000 amps (probably
300 peak in real life) that also has a USB outlet. Better than jumper
cables!

I have two, the size of a mobile phone. I bought one, it claimed 20,000mAh. I tested it and of course it wasn\'t. Seller lied and said \"must be faulty, we will send another\". I accepted two for the price of one. One will in fact start a car, and two will start a lorry.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 10:01:11 +0100, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-04-16, John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
On Sat, 15 Apr 2023 16:35:12 +0100, Joe <joe@jretrading.com> wrote:

On Sat, 15 Apr 2023 06:55:34 -0700
John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

On 15 Apr 2023 02:27:25 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:


Someday. Maybe. Gaseous hydrogen storage presents many problems.
Carbon fiber vessels have helped somewhat. BMW played around with
liquid hydrogen although it was for an ICE dual fuel engine. Besides
the problem of it boiling off, what could go wrong with Joe Sixpack
filling his pickup with a -423 F liquid?

My neighborhood Shell station has a hydrogen fill-up thing. I\'ve never
seen it used.


Some years ago, TFL experimented with a few hydrogen-powered buses.
Obviously nothing useful came of it. But they thought that the use of
hydrogen was so safe that they sited the filling station twenty miles
from the centre of London.

I guess a AAA rescue truck will have to carry gaseous hydrogen and
liquid hydrogen and what all.

Hereabouts, they don\'t even carry gasoline. They tow you to a gas
station.

How absurd. I ran out of petrol and one simply came out with 5 litres in a can, I gave him some cash and that was it.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 09:34:01 +0100, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

On 16/04/2023 05:11, rbowman wrote:
On Sat, 15 Apr 2023 14:53:14 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:


Why are you imagining him with a sixpack?

Sixpack of beer in the cooler on the floor of the pickup. Joe\'s abs
haven\'t been seen in 20 years.


More like a six pack of empty beer cans in the drivers footwell

https://cdn.carbuzz.com/gallery-images/original/177000/700/177728.jpg

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 05:11:32 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Sat, 15 Apr 2023 14:53:14 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

Why are you imagining him with a sixpack?

Sixpack of beer in the cooler on the floor of the pickup. Joe\'s abs
haven\'t been seen in 20 years.

I wonder why they call them sixpacks when most folk have eight? Only short folk have 6.

I doubt it\'s any more dangerous than LPG.

What was that degree in again? Propane boils at around -43 F and a
residential propane tank may reach 200 psi on a hot day, enough to keep
most of it liquid.

Hydrogen liquefies at -252.87 C so you\'re dealing with a cryogenic liquid
that\'s going to boil off unless you keep it (extremely) cold.

Or under pressure.

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Friday, May 5, 2023 at 10:54:25 PM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 05:11:32 +0100, rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote:

On Sat, 15 Apr 2023 14:53:14 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

Why are you imagining him with a sixpack?

Sixpack of beer in the cooler on the floor of the pickup. Joe\'s abs
haven\'t been seen in 20 years.
I wonder why they call them sixpacks when most folk have eight? Only short folk have 6.

I doubt it\'s any more dangerous than LPG.

What was that degree in again? Propane boils at around -43 F and a
residential propane tank may reach 200 psi on a hot day, enough to keep
most of it liquid.

Hydrogen liquefies at -252.87 C so you\'re dealing with a cryogenic liquid
that\'s going to boil off unless you keep it (extremely) cold.

Or under pressure.

Commander Kinsey is a very dim wanker.

https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/gas-critical-temperature-pressure-d_161.html

The critical temperature for hydrogen is -240C - it can\'t exist as a liquid above that temperature, no matter how high the pressure.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[rbowman]

On Fri, 05 May 2023 13:54:17 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 05:11:32 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Sat, 15 Apr 2023 14:53:14 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

Why are you imagining him with a sixpack?

Sixpack of beer in the cooler on the floor of the pickup. Joe\'s abs
haven\'t been seen in 20 years.

I wonder why they call them sixpacks when most folk have eight? Only
short folk have 6.

I doubt it\'s any more dangerous than LPG.

What was that degree in again? Propane boils at around -43 F and a
residential propane tank may reach 200 psi on a hot day, enough to keep
most of it liquid.

Hydrogen liquefies at -252.87 C so you\'re dealing with a cryogenic
liquid that\'s going to boil off unless you keep it (extremely) cold.

Or under pressure.

Then you have the worst of both worlds.

 

[Peeler]

On 5 May 2023 16:56:01 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

Then you have the worst of both worlds.

Doesn\'t matter to the troll, as long as he got your big mouth on his cock,
you devoted senile sucker of troll cock!

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\"My family loaded me into a \'51 Chevy and drove from NY to Seattle and
back in \'52. I\'m alive. The Chevy had a painted steel dashboard with two
little hand prints worn down to the primer because I liked to stand up
and lean on it to see where we were going.\"
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