Lithium batteries, not worth it...

[Flyguy]

On Friday, April 14, 2023 at 12:11:13 AM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:

On Friday, April 14, 2023 at 3:17:02 PM UTC+10, T wrote:
On 4/13/23 21:35, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 04:57:37 +0100, Commander Kinsey <C...@nospam.com
wrote:

Are you greenies nuts?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/385430139122
Nearly 3 grand for a battery with the same capacity of two deep cycle
lead acid batteries costing £150?

Or.... £446 for 100Ah, when you an get a 130Ah lead acid for £75:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/114677041217

But, But, But, But lithium batteries rape the earth to extract the lithium and are a nightmare to recycle so they are considered green!!!!
Any product that depends on mined minerals might be said to \"rape the earth\". Lithium isn\'t special that respect, and lead acid batteries are just a bad.

Lithium batteries aren\'t any kind of \"nightmare to recycle\". They haven\'t been around for long, so it\'s a fairly new line of work, but that doesn\'t make it a nightmare.

There\'s certainly nothing particularly green about them - they are used in electric cars and the green party approves of them, but only because electric cars can be run off renewable power (not that all than many of them are at the moment).

Commander Kinsey is just doing his dim right-wing troll thing, and should be ignored.

--
Bozo Bill Slowman, Sydney

Hey Bozo, the real problem is less the lithium, which is problematic, but cobalt, which uses child labor to extract. All batteries have their issues, which ONLY is an issue for the mindless electrification of the world in place of fossil fuel energy generation which doesn\'t use batteries at all.

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Saturday, May 6, 2023 at 10:36:25 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:

On Friday, April 14, 2023 at 12:11:13 AM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Friday, April 14, 2023 at 3:17:02 PM UTC+10, T wrote:
On 4/13/23 21:35, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 04:57:37 +0100, Commander Kinsey <C...@nospam.com
wrote:

Are you greenies nuts?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/385430139122
Nearly 3 grand for a battery with the same capacity of two deep cycle
lead acid batteries costing £150?

Or.... £446 for 100Ah, when you an get a 130Ah lead acid for £75:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/114677041217

But, But, But, But lithium batteries rape the earth to extract the lithium and are a nightmare to recycle so they are considered green!!!!
Any product that depends on mined minerals might be said to \"rape the earth\". Lithium isn\'t special that respect, and lead acid batteries are just a bad.

Lithium batteries aren\'t any kind of \"nightmare to recycle\". They haven\'t been around for long, so it\'s a fairly new line of work, but that doesn\'t make it a nightmare.

There\'s certainly nothing particularly green about them - they are used in electric cars and the green party approves of them, but only because electric cars can be run off renewable power (not that all than many of them are at the moment).

Commander Kinsey is just doing his dim right-wing troll thing, and should be ignored.

The real problem is less the lithium, which is problematic, but cobalt, which uses child labor to extract. All batteries have their issues, which ONLY is an issue for the mindless electrification of the world in place of fossil fuel energy generation which doesn\'t use batteries at all.

Sewage Sweeper is another dim right wing troll, and should also be ignored.

Lithium isn\'t in the least problematic - and Sewage Sweeper is perfectly incapable of telling us why it might be.

70% of the world\'s cobalt production currently comes from the Congo, which is a failed state

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_the_Republic_of_the_Congo

The fact that child labour is used there to extract cobalt is a problem with the politics of the country, not with the metal itself.

If we need more cobalt we can get is from other countries with better political systems. It won\'t be as cheap, but it won\'t be expensive enough to make batteries impractically expensive.

There\'s nothing mindless about the electrification of the world. On the other hand the claim that relying on burning fossil carbon to get our energy would end our dependence on batteries is entirely mindless.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinorwig_Power_Station

was completed in 1984. long before anybody was taking anthropogenic global warming seriously, when the UK was getting most of its electric power by burning coal. It is pumped storage facility, but it serves exactly the same purpose as a grid-scale battery.

Sewage Sweeper can be relied on to put together loads of mindless rubbish and dump it here. We prefer he took his dump someplace else.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Fri, 05 May 2023 17:56:01 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Fri, 05 May 2023 13:54:17 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 05:11:32 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Sat, 15 Apr 2023 14:53:14 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

Why are you imagining him with a sixpack?

Sixpack of beer in the cooler on the floor of the pickup. Joe\'s abs
haven\'t been seen in 20 years.

I wonder why they call them sixpacks when most folk have eight? Only
short folk have 6.

I doubt it\'s any more dangerous than LPG.

What was that degree in again? Propane boils at around -43 F and a
residential propane tank may reach 200 psi on a hot day, enough to keep
most of it liquid.

Hydrogen liquefies at -252.87 C so you\'re dealing with a cryogenic
liquid that\'s going to boil off unless you keep it (extremely) cold.

Or under pressure.

Then you have the worst of both worlds.

And a damn good weapon at your disposal.

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Monday, May 8, 2023 at 7:50:33 AM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Fri, 05 May 2023 17:56:01 +0100, rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote:
On Fri, 05 May 2023 13:54:17 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 05:11:32 +0100, rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote:
On Sat, 15 Apr 2023 14:53:14 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

<snip>

Hydrogen liquefies at -252.87 C so you\'re dealing with a cryogenic
liquid that\'s going to boil off unless you keep it (extremely) cold.

Or under pressure.

Then you have the worst of both worlds.

And a damn good weapon at your disposal.

A weapon is a compact energy source that can deliver a lot of energy fast.

Hydrogen has to be burnt before it can deliver any energy at all. You could turn a tank of hydrogen into a fuel air bomb, but you have to dispense the hydrogen into a lot of air before you set it off, and it is a rather specialised and cranky weapon. You can eventually get a lot of energy out of the blast wave that follows the detonation if you get the timing right, but that\'s a big if.

You may be thinking of a hydrogen bomb, but getting hydrogen nuclei to fuse is even more difficult.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 18:24:11 +0100, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

On 16/04/2023 16:38, Scott Lurndal wrote:

Leaving aside carbon-neutral synthetic fuels made from agricultural waste
and atomospheric carbon capture, which are perfectly viable alternatives:

https://cleantechnica.com/2022/11/17/electric-helicopter-makes-historic-flight/
https://www.engadget.com/californias-first-electric-short-hop-ferry-launches-in-2024-210137422.html

and we think a 200 mile range in an Electric car is good 24 miles at
approx 60mph with a pilot and a \"load\" of 23kg.

It would be fine if they got the charge time down to say 10 minutes. You can charge batteries in 10 minutes, I used to charge NiCad radio controlled packs in 10 minutes. As long as you don\'t overfill them, they\'re fine. Cars have cooling on the batteries don\'t they?

 

[Ed Lee]

On Sunday, May 14, 2023 at 9:10:40 AM UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 18:24:11 +0100, alan_m <ju...@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

On 16/04/2023 16:38, Scott Lurndal wrote:

Leaving aside carbon-neutral synthetic fuels made from agricultural waste
and atomospheric carbon capture, which are perfectly viable alternatives:

https://cleantechnica.com/2022/11/17/electric-helicopter-makes-historic-flight/
https://www.engadget.com/californias-first-electric-short-hop-ferry-launches-in-2024-210137422.html

and we think a 200 mile range in an Electric car is good 24 miles at
approx 60mph with a pilot and a \"load\" of 23kg.

It would be fine if they got the charge time down to say 10 minutes. You can charge batteries in 10 minutes, I used to charge NiCad radio controlled packs in 10 minutes.

Yes, you can store equivalent amount of energy in 10 minutes for Li batteries. However, if you want to carry more energy, you need more time.

> As long as you don\'t overfill them, they\'re fine. Cars have cooling on the batteries don\'t they?

Most do, but there are exceptions.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 02:02:23 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 20:41:05 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 20:16:06 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 13:14:29 GMT, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

On 2023-04-16, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

far flung outbacks of the UK

I love your dry, British sense of humor.

http://www.undertheraedar.com/2011/01/exactly-how-big-is-united-
kingdom.html

You could dump the entire 93,628 square miles in eastern Montana and
only the prairie dogs would notice.

I\'m sure the Merkins would go a hunting the Brits, it would be a game.

Please start with Rishi Sunak.

To quote you \'It\'s you lot that let them in.\'

I have never let one in, I have never voted for one, I wouldn\'t stop to let them cross the road. A few stupid anti-racist Brits let them in, now there\'s enough to let themselves in. There\'s one in charge of Scotland too now. We\'re fucked.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 03:32:41 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 20:45:57 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 16:22:26 +0100, John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

On Sat, 15 Apr 2023 15:01:37 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 23:18:43 +0100, John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 07:37:37 +0100, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk
wrote:

On 14/04/2023 04:57, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Are you greenies nuts?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/385430139122
Nearly 3 grand for a battery with the same capacity of two deep cycle
lead acid batteries costing £150?

With a brand name of Growatt obviously aimed at the home cannabis farm -
they can afford it.

Growing weed was profitable when it was illegal. Now, anybody can do
it.

It\'s illegal in the UK, sort of. Under 10 plants they assume it\'s for personal use and don\'t give a shit.

We have weird laws where it\'s ok to take drugs but not to sell them.. A local woman was let off completely when they couldn\'t prove her bag full of drugs was for sale.

Wholesale prices in California dropped from $1200 to $100 per pound.

Until they start taxing it through the roof like alcohol and tobacco and petrol.

Not everybody pays the taxes, but it\'s still tough going with so much
competition.

You didn\'t seem to respond to what I said.

Hold your breath. Or cry. Or something.

Why do you bother replying without answering properly?

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 03:34:13 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 20:46:36 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 17:00:23 +0100, John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 13:14:29 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-04-16, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

far flung outbacks of the UK

I love your dry, British sense of humor.

http://www.undertheraedar.com/2011/01/exactly-how-big-is-united-kingdom.html

A place seems bigger when the roads are so slow.

The roads are as fast as you want them to be. The UK road network is the world\'s biggest race track.

Point taken.
Point taken.
Point taken.
Point taken.

Actually it\'s 3 points per offence, but they have to see you before you see them.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 07:06:22 +0100, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

On 16/04/2023 20:46, Commander Kinsey wrote:

The roads are as fast as you want them to be. The UK road network is
the world\'s biggest race track.

And the M25 can be the UKs biggest parking lot at times

The last time I went round the M25 I followed a Tesla. I don\'t know if it was a very skillfull driver or he had it on self drive, but he kept swapping lanes and actually gained a hell of a distance. We were getting there 2-3 times quicker than everyone else.

On most motorways there\'s a very good empty overtaking lane, it\'s officially called a hard shoulder.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 16:39:41 +0100, John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 13:00:43 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 11:58:59 +0100, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 16/04/2023 01:40, Ed P wrote:

The current global average concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere is 421
ppm as of May 2022. This is an increase of 50% since the start of the
Industrial Revolution, up from 280 ppm during the 10,000 years prior to
the mid-18th century. The increase is due to human activity.

And you know this because? That period also coincides with the end of
the little ice age, and we know that mildly warming oceans outgass lots
of CO2 until the organic life catches up with it

The last part is key. Organic life uses what\'s there. Things auto-level. Climate change won\'t kill us. Wasting money on stopping it will.

Plants will adapt to using more CO2 to grow faster. Farmers and ag
colleges will breed them to do that.

Don\'t need to, they grow faster just by giving them more. Just as you can run faster on higher concentrations of O2.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 17:52:39 +0100, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:

John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> writes:
On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 13:00:43 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 11:58:59 +0100, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 16/04/2023 01:40, Ed P wrote:

The current global average concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere is 421
ppm as of May 2022. This is an increase of 50% since the start of the
Industrial Revolution, up from 280 ppm during the 10,000 years prior to
the mid-18th century. The increase is due to human activity.

And you know this because? That period also coincides with the end of
the little ice age, and we know that mildly warming oceans outgass lots
of CO2 until the organic life catches up with it

The last part is key. Organic life uses what\'s there. Things auto-level. Climate change won\'t kill us. Wasting money on stopping it will.

Plants will adapt to using more CO2 to grow faster. Farmers and ag
colleges will breed them to do that.

Up to a very small point, consider:

1) There aren\'t enough plants to absorb excess CO2 at the rate
required to match the current (or future) excess emissions.

You don\'t need more, they just grow faster.

2) As mentioned, plants need CO2 to live, but give them too much
and the vital nutrients they produce, become depleted. These
include iron, zinc, and vitamin C.

Loads of that about.

3) Overall, FACE experiments show decreases in whole plant water
use of 5-20% under elevated CO2. This in turn can have consequences
for the hydrological cycle of entire ecosystems, with soil moisture
levels and runoff both increasing under elevated CO2 (Leakey et al. 2009).
[ed. increasing the potential for flooding, landslides, et alia]

This just shows you can prove anything you want, cut all the bullshit you\'re reading from Greenpeace Treehuggers and think more logically.

4) Crop concentrations of nutritionally important minerals including
calcium, magnesium and phosphorus may also be decreased under
elevated CO2 (Loladze 2002; Taub & Wang 2008)

Is there a world shortage of these things?

5) With elevated CO2, protein concentrations in grains of wheat,
rice and barley, and in potato tubers decreased by 10 to 15 percent
in one study.

Who gives a fuck?

 

[whit3rd]

On Sunday, May 14, 2023 at 4:00:33 PM UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 17:52:39 +0100, Scott Lurndal <sc...@slp53.sl.home> wrote:

5) With elevated CO2, protein concentrations in grains of wheat,
rice and barley, and in potato tubers decreased by 10 to 15 percent
in one study.

Who gives a fuck?

Anyone who ingests foodstuffs to live? Those nutrients being less per pound
of food, means you need to buy and eat more pounds.

Grasshoppers can starve on grass that grows so fast that the roots cannot
deliver enough protein content. Like you, grasshoppers eat to live. It\'s a vital concern.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 19:16:51 +0100, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid..invalid> wrote:

On 18/04/2023 17:34, rbowman wrote:
On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 06:14:44 +0100, alan_m wrote:

On 17/04/2023 17:02, rbowman wrote:

No. The published EPA highway MPG is 35. I typically get a little
better than that, with 41 mpg recorded as the highest.


https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/realmpg/toyota/yaris-2011

You\'re still doing Imperial gallons, right? The speeds in this state may
be a little higher too. I guess what corresponds to a single carriageway
is typically 70 and a motorway 80. Build up areas are variable, anywhere
from 35 to 55.

Then there is the distance at a particular speed. Last weekend I did a
loop including the two closest \'cities\' (12,000 and 33,000 population) and
spent most of the trip at 70 or 80.

While I didn\'t buy it based on fuel economy I\'m quite happy with the
Yaris. I\'ve had 3 so far. The first didn\'t survive a head on with a
snowplow. I traded the second, a 2011, when I couldn\'t resist the deal on
a leftover 2018. 2 door hatchbacks don\'t move in the US and I believe the
2018 was the end of the line for Toyota, at least in this country.

Peugeots and Renaults haven\'t been imported for years and I have no idea
what a Skoda is.

A Skoda is a reasonably priced volkswagen.

It is most certainly not reasonably priced. They cost about the same!

No car is reasonably priced anymore. There used to be Dacia Sanderos for £6K. Now the cheapest is a £12.5K Lada. WTF? Double price?

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 08:29:40 +0100, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

On 17/04/2023 02:28, rbowman wrote:
On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 18:36:48 +0100, alan_m wrote:

The miles per gallon figures are shown on the screen. 44mpg and from
1980 when they removed all seats, except the drivers seat, removed the
spare wheel, removed carpets, taped up any cracks in the bodywork etc.
etc. to obtain the mileage figures.

My Toyota Yaris sometimes gets 41 mpg with no prep and a 1500 cc ICE with
a full load of camping gear, tools, snowshoes, spare boots, and so forth.
That falls off quite a bit a 80 mph.

So by loading it up you get 20 mpg less than the manufacturers stated mpg.

The Commander seems to be claiming that loading up a car with extra
weight (in his case with extra batteries) doesn\'t make much difference
in performance.

You\'re confusing petrol and battery cars. One regenerates, one doesn\'t.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 17:59:43 +0100, charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:

In article <ka7v53FtgguU6@mid.individual.net>,
rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 06:14:44 +0100, alan_m wrote:

On 17/04/2023 17:02, rbowman wrote:

No. The published EPA highway MPG is 35. I typically get a little
better than that, with 41 mpg recorded as the highest.


https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/realmpg/toyota/yaris-2011

You\'re still doing Imperial gallons, right? The speeds in this state may
be a little higher too. I guess what corresponds to a single carriageway
is typically 70 and a motorway 80. Build up areas are variable, anywhere
from 35 to 55.

Then there is the distance at a particular speed. Last weekend I did a
loop including the two closest \'cities\' (12,000 and 33,000 population) and
spent most of the trip at 70 or 80.

While I didn\'t buy it based on fuel economy I\'m quite happy with the
Yaris. I\'ve had 3 so far. The first didn\'t survive a head on with a
snowplow. I traded the second, a 2011, when I couldn\'t resist the deal on
a leftover 2018. 2 door hatchbacks don\'t move in the US and I believe the
2018 was the end of the line for Toyota, at least in this country.

Peugeots and Renaults haven\'t been imported for years and I have no idea
what a Skoda is.

Skoda is a car manufacturer based in the Czech Republic. It is a wholly
owned subsiduary of Volkswagen. I have owned a Skoda EV (Enyaq) for about
18 months; SWMBO has a small Skoda petrol car for 12 years.

Skoda uses parts which failed the test for VW quality.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 07:17:51 +0100, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 19/04/2023 02:49, rbowman wrote:
On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 17:59:43 +0100, charles wrote:

Skoda is a car manufacturer based in the Czech Republic. It is a wholly
owned subsiduary of Volkswagen. I have owned a Skoda EV (Enyaq) for
about 18 months; SWMBO has a small Skoda petrol car for 12 years.

Definitely not a player in the US market, nor is Dacia or a number of
other manufacturers. Too bad. I had a Renault Alliance (Renault 9) rental
that was a decent car -- but that was close to 40 years ago. I think they
pulled out in \'89. My brother had a Peugeot he really liked but they are
long gone. The brief rumor that they were coming back to the US died.

The point is that 90% of US citizens are overweight, the roads are wide
and straight and the average parking space will take a challenger tank,
and gas is relatively cheap.

So the cars are twice as big and feature 3-8 litre engines instead of
1-3litre, and handle like elephants on tranquillisers.

There is no demand for a compact car designed for twisty congested
European roads that will do 60mpg, and park in a space barely 6ft wide.

I went to a builders merchant the other week. The car park was full, but there was a car parked exactly between the two end spaces. So I parked exactly in front of them. They were fucking furious when I left.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 02:49:23 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 17:59:43 +0100, charles wrote:

Skoda is a car manufacturer based in the Czech Republic. It is a wholly
owned subsiduary of Volkswagen. I have owned a Skoda EV (Enyaq) for
about 18 months; SWMBO has a small Skoda petrol car for 12 years.

Definitely not a player in the US market, nor is Dacia or a number of
other manufacturers. Too bad. I had a Renault Alliance (Renault 9) rental
that was a decent car -- but that was close to 40 years ago. I think they
pulled out in \'89. My brother had a Peugeot he really liked but they are
long gone. The brief rumor that they were coming back to the US died.

I\'ve had a few makes, these are how reliable they were:

Rover: medium
Ford (3 of): high
Vauxhall (GM/Opel): low
Renault (4 of): low
Fiat: abysmal
Range Rover: medium
Peugeot (2 of): high
VW: high

So why do I keep buying Renaults? Well the last one was £500 for a car which had only done 47K miles. Although in 5 years I\'ve done 50K miles and spent £2500 keeping it running.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Fri, 21 Apr 2023 17:41:31 +0100, TTman <kraken.sankey@gmail.com> wrote:

On 14/04/2023 04:57, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Are you greenies nuts?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/385430139122
Nearly 3 grand for a battery with the same capacity of two deep cycle
lead acid batteries costing £150?

That\'s the price in the UK for Lipo batteries.

Lithium is for phones and torches. For large capacity I always use lead.. Lithium is stupidly priced.

 

[Fredxx]

On 17/05/2023 21:30, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Fri, 21 Apr 2023 17:41:31 +0100, TTman <kraken.sankey@gmail.com> wrote:

On 14/04/2023 04:57, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Are you greenies nuts?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/385430139122
Nearly 3 grand for a battery with the same capacity of two deep cycle
lead acid batteries costing £150?

That\'s the price in the UK for Lipo batteries.

Lithium is for phones and torches.  For large capacity I always use
lead.  Lithium is stupidly priced.

How much lead do you use? I\'d be surprised it\'s more than your starter
battery.