Lithium batteries, not worth it...

[Peeler]

On 18 Apr 2023 16:34:43 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

Peugeots and Renaults haven\'t been imported for years and I have no idea
what a Skoda is.

You have an idea what a pathological blabbermouth is, senile gossip? <BG>

--
And yet another idiotic \"cool\" line, this time about the UK, from the
resident bigmouthed all-American superhero:
\"You could dump the entire 93,628 square miles in eastern Montana and only
the prairie dogs would notice.\"
MID: <ka2vrlF6c5uU1@mid.individual.net>

 

[John Larkin]

On 18 Apr 2023 01:46:09 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 11:11:27 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:

On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 21:41:14 +1000, Frank <\"frank \"@frank.net> wrote:

On 4/16/2023 7:16 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 16/04/2023 12:11, Frank wrote:
On 4/16/2023 12:57 AM, Rod Speed wrote:
On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 14:00:03 +1000, T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:

Since coal can be made into gasoline, can natural gas be made into
gasoline as well?

You can make any hydrocarbon into any other hydrocarbon, but whether
it makes sense to do that is a separate issue.

That would also be my answer.
Google \'catalytic cracking\'.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluid_catalytic_cracking That\'s how
they break up heavy oils into lighter fractions.
Going the reverse direction is not used so much.
But still, is used...
http://www.setlab.com/resources/refining/polymerization/

Syn gas from coal might be a better precursor.

That\'s essentially what fracking is, with the coal left in the ground.

Depends on what is meant by syngas. Coal gas is a mixture of hydrogen and
carbon monoxide, making it a favorite of suicides. They had to find
something else when the switchover to natural gas occurred. Natural gas
from fracking is mostly methane.

The old BBC mysteries had murders performed with coal gas. Or guns.
Now they have to use poison or push people off roofs.

 

[Rod Speed]

On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 20:45:13 +1000, Fredxx <fredxx@spam.uk> wrote:

On 18/04/2023 06:35, Rod Speed wrote:
On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 11:46:09 +1000, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 11:11:27 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:

On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 21:41:14 +1000, Frank <\"frank \"@frank.net> wrote:

On 4/16/2023 7:16 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 16/04/2023 12:11, Frank wrote:
On 4/16/2023 12:57 AM, Rod Speed wrote:
On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 14:00:03 +1000, T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:

Since coal can be made into gasoline, can natural gas be made
into
gasoline as well?

You can make any hydrocarbon into any other hydrocarbon, but
whether
it makes sense to do that is a separate issue.

That would also be my answer.
Google \'catalytic cracking\'.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluid_catalytic_cracking That\'s how
they break up heavy oils into lighter fractions.
Going the reverse direction is not used so much.
But still, is used...
http://www.setlab.com/resources/refining/polymerization/

Syn gas from coal might be a better precursor.

That\'s essentially what fracking is, with the coal left in the ground.

Depends on what is meant by syngas. Coal gas is a mixture of hydrogen
and
carbon monoxide, making it a favorite of suicides.
Coal gas is never called syngas.

The term is equivalent.

Nope. The gas produced by fracking is nothing like coal gas.

They had to find
something else when the switchover to natural gas occurred. Natural gas
from fracking is mostly methane.

 

[charles]

In article <ka7v53FtgguU6@mid.individual.net>,
rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 06:14:44 +0100, alan_m wrote:

On 17/04/2023 17:02, rbowman wrote:

No. The published EPA highway MPG is 35. I typically get a little
better than that, with 41 mpg recorded as the highest.


https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/realmpg/toyota/yaris-2011

You\'re still doing Imperial gallons, right? The speeds in this state may
be a little higher too. I guess what corresponds to a single carriageway
is typically 70 and a motorway 80. Build up areas are variable, anywhere
from 35 to 55.

Then there is the distance at a particular speed. Last weekend I did a
loop including the two closest \'cities\' (12,000 and 33,000 population) and
spent most of the trip at 70 or 80.

While I didn\'t buy it based on fuel economy I\'m quite happy with the
Yaris. I\'ve had 3 so far. The first didn\'t survive a head on with a
snowplow. I traded the second, a 2011, when I couldn\'t resist the deal on
a leftover 2018. 2 door hatchbacks don\'t move in the US and I believe the
2018 was the end of the line for Toyota, at least in this country.

Peugeots and Renaults haven\'t been imported for years and I have no idea
what a Skoda is.

Skoda is a car manufacturer based in the Czech Republic. It is a wholly
owned subsiduary of Volkswagen. I have owned a Skoda EV (Enyaq) for about
18 months; SWMBO has a small Skoda petrol car for 12 years.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England - sent from my RISC OS 4té
\"I\'d rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom\" Thomas Carlyle

 

[Rod Speed]

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 01:43:53 +1000, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 15:35:28 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:

Coal gas is never called syngas.

\"Not to be confused with synthetic gasoline.
Syngas, or synthesis gas, is a mixture of hydrogen and carbon monoxide,
in
various ratios.\"

\"Syngas is produced by steam reforming or partial oxidation of natural
gas
or liquid hydrocarbons, or coal gasification\"

That\'s not what fracking produces.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal_gas

\"The original coal gas was produced by the coal gasification reaction,[2]
and thus the burnable component consisted of mixture of carbon monoxide
and hydrogen in roughly equal quantities by volume.\"

A rose by any other name...

Coal gas is nothing even remotely like what fracking produces.

 

[Rod Speed]

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 02:48:49 +1000, John Larkin
<jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On 18 Apr 2023 01:46:09 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 11:11:27 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:

On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 21:41:14 +1000, Frank <\"frank \"@frank.net> wrote:

On 4/16/2023 7:16 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 16/04/2023 12:11, Frank wrote:
On 4/16/2023 12:57 AM, Rod Speed wrote:
On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 14:00:03 +1000, T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:

Since coal can be made into gasoline, can natural gas be made into
gasoline as well?

You can make any hydrocarbon into any other hydrocarbon, but
whether
it makes sense to do that is a separate issue.

That would also be my answer.
Google \'catalytic cracking\'.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluid_catalytic_cracking That\'s how
they break up heavy oils into lighter fractions.
Going the reverse direction is not used so much.
But still, is used...
http://www.setlab.com/resources/refining/polymerization/

Syn gas from coal might be a better precursor.

That\'s essentially what fracking is, with the coal left in the ground.

Depends on what is meant by syngas. Coal gas is a mixture of hydrogen
and
carbon monoxide, making it a favorite of suicides. They had to find
something else when the switchover to natural gas occurred. Natural gas
from fracking is mostly methane.

The old BBC mysteries had murders performed with coal gas. Or guns.

Now they have to use poison or push people off roofs.

Nope, Midsommer Murders doesnt.

 

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 18/04/2023 17:34, rbowman wrote:

On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 06:14:44 +0100, alan_m wrote:

On 17/04/2023 17:02, rbowman wrote:

No. The published EPA highway MPG is 35. I typically get a little
better than that, with 41 mpg recorded as the highest.


https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/realmpg/toyota/yaris-2011

You\'re still doing Imperial gallons, right? The speeds in this state may
be a little higher too. I guess what corresponds to a single carriageway
is typically 70 and a motorway 80. Build up areas are variable, anywhere
from 35 to 55.

Then there is the distance at a particular speed. Last weekend I did a
loop including the two closest \'cities\' (12,000 and 33,000 population) and
spent most of the trip at 70 or 80.

While I didn\'t buy it based on fuel economy I\'m quite happy with the
Yaris. I\'ve had 3 so far. The first didn\'t survive a head on with a
snowplow. I traded the second, a 2011, when I couldn\'t resist the deal on
a leftover 2018. 2 door hatchbacks don\'t move in the US and I believe the
2018 was the end of the line for Toyota, at least in this country.

Peugeots and Renaults haven\'t been imported for years and I have no idea
what a Skoda is.

A Skoda is a reasonably priced volkswagen.


--
Labour - a bunch of rich people convincing poor people to vote for rich
people by telling poor people that \"other\" rich people are the reason
they are poor.

Peter Thompson

 

[Fredxx]

On 18/04/2023 18:05, Rod Speed wrote:

On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 20:45:13 +1000, Fredxx <fredxx@spam.uk> wrote:

On 18/04/2023 06:35, Rod Speed wrote:
On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 11:46:09 +1000, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 11:11:27 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:

On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 21:41:14 +1000, Frank <\"frank \"@frank.net> wrote:

On 4/16/2023 7:16 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 16/04/2023 12:11, Frank wrote:
On 4/16/2023 12:57 AM, Rod Speed wrote:
On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 14:00:03 +1000, T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:

Since coal can be made into gasoline, can natural gas be made
into
gasoline as well?

You can make any hydrocarbon into any other hydrocarbon, but
whether
it makes sense to do that is a separate issue.

That would also be my answer.
 Google \'catalytic cracking\'.
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluid_catalytic_cracking That\'s how
 they break up heavy oils into lighter fractions.
Going the reverse direction is not used so much.
 But still, is used...
 http://www.setlab.com/resources/refining/polymerization/

Syn gas from coal might be a better precursor.

That\'s essentially what fracking is, with the coal left in the ground.

Depends on what is meant by syngas. Coal gas is a mixture of
hydrogen and
carbon monoxide, making it a favorite of suicides.
 Coal gas is never called syngas.

The term is equivalent.

Nope. The gas produced by fracking is nothing like coal gas.

I never said it was, just that syngas is another name for coal gas.

They had to find
something else when the switchover to natural gas occurred. Natural gas
from fracking is mostly methane.

 

[Fredxx]

On 18/04/2023 19:02, Rod Speed wrote:

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 01:43:53 +1000, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 15:35:28 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:

Coal gas is never called syngas.

\"Not to be confused with synthetic gasoline.
Syngas, or synthesis gas, is a mixture of hydrogen and carbon
monoxide, in
various ratios.\"

\"Syngas is produced by steam reforming or partial oxidation of natural
gas
or liquid hydrocarbons, or coal gasification\"

That\'s not what fracking produces.

No, but coal gas can be referred to as syngas.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal_gas

\"The original coal gas was produced by the coal gasification reaction,[2]
and thus the burnable component consisted of mixture of carbon monoxide
and hydrogen in roughly equal quantities by volume.\"

A rose by any other name...

Coal gas is nothing even remotely like what fracking produces.

No one said it was. Indeed I have no idea why you are confusing coal gas
with natural gas from fracking.

 

[Peeler]

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 03:05:06 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin\'s latest trollshit unread>

--
R Souls addressing the trolling senile Australian cretin:
\"Your opinions are unwelcome and worthless. Now fuck off.\"
MID: <urs8jh59laqeeb0seg1erij61m383reog5@4ax.com>

 

[Peeler]

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 04:02:40 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin\'s latest trollshit unread>

--
williamwright addressing Rodent Speed:
\"This is getting beyond ridiculous now. You\'re trying to prove black\'s
white. You\'re arguing with someone who has been involved with the issues all
his working life when you clearly have no knowledge at all. I think you\'re
just being a pillock for the sake of it. You clearly don\'t actually believe
your own words. You must have a very empty life, and a sad embittered soul.
MID: <j08o6bFeqc1U1@mid.individual.net>

 

[Peeler]

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 04:11:27 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin\'s latest trollshit unread>

--
JimK addressing senile Rodent Speed:
\"I really feel the quality of your trolling has dropped in the last few
months...\"
MID: <n8idndHg5972A2DDnZ2dnUU78e-dnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>

 

[Peeler]

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 07:26:46 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin\'s latest trollshit unread>

--
Website (from 2007) dedicated to the 89-year-old senile Australian
cretin\'s pathological trolling:
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[Peeler]

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 07:25:40 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin\'s latest trollshit unread>

--
MrTurnip@down.the.farm about senile Rodent Speed:
\"This is like having a conversation with someone with brain damage.\"
MID: <ps10v9$uo2$1@gioia.aioe.org>

 

[Rod Speed]

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 04:36:28 +1000, Fredxx <fredxx@spam.uk> wrote:

On 18/04/2023 19:02, Rod Speed wrote:
On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 01:43:53 +1000, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 15:35:28 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:

Coal gas is never called syngas.

\"Not to be confused with synthetic gasoline.
Syngas, or synthesis gas, is a mixture of hydrogen and carbon
monoxide, in
various ratios.\"

\"Syngas is produced by steam reforming or partial oxidation of natural
gas
or liquid hydrocarbons, or coal gasification\"
That\'s not what fracking produces.

No, but coal gas can be referred to as syngas.

Only by the ignorant.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal_gas

\"The original coal gas was produced by the coal gasification
reaction,[2]
and thus the burnable component consisted of mixture of carbon monoxide
and hydrogen in roughly equal quantities by volume.\"

A rose by any other name...
Coal gas is nothing even remotely like what fracking produces.

No one said it was. Indeed I have no idea why you are confusing coal gas
with natural gas from fracking.

I am doing nothing of the sort.

 

[Rod Speed]

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 04:26:25 +1000, Fredxx <fredxx@spam.uk> wrote:

On 18/04/2023 18:05, Rod Speed wrote:
On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 20:45:13 +1000, Fredxx <fredxx@spam.uk> wrote:

On 18/04/2023 06:35, Rod Speed wrote:
On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 11:46:09 +1000, rbowman <bowman@montana.com
wrote:

On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 11:11:27 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:

On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 21:41:14 +1000, Frank <\"frank \"@frank.net
wrote:

On 4/16/2023 7:16 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 16/04/2023 12:11, Frank wrote:
On 4/16/2023 12:57 AM, Rod Speed wrote:
On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 14:00:03 +1000, T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:

Since coal can be made into gasoline, can natural gas be made
into
gasoline as well?

You can make any hydrocarbon into any other hydrocarbon, but
whether
it makes sense to do that is a separate issue.

That would also be my answer.
Google \'catalytic cracking\'.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluid_catalytic_cracking That\'s how
they break up heavy oils into lighter fractions.
Going the reverse direction is not used so much.
But still, is used...
http://www.setlab.com/resources/refining/polymerization/

Syn gas from coal might be a better precursor.

That\'s essentially what fracking is, with the coal left in the
ground.

Depends on what is meant by syngas. Coal gas is a mixture of
hydrogen and
carbon monoxide, making it a favorite of suicides.
Coal gas is never called syngas.

The term is equivalent.
Nope. The gas produced by fracking is nothing like coal gas.

I never said it was, just that syngas is another name for coal gas.

Bullshit it is.

They had to find
something else when the switchover to natural gas occurred. Natural
gas
from fracking is mostly methane.

 

[rbowman]

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 03:05:06 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:

On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 20:45:13 +1000, Fredxx <fredxx@spam.uk> wrote:

On 18/04/2023 06:35, Rod Speed wrote:
On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 11:46:09 +1000, rbowman <bowman@montana.com
wrote:

On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 11:11:27 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:

On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 21:41:14 +1000, Frank <\"frank \"@frank.net
wrote:

On 4/16/2023 7:16 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 16/04/2023 12:11, Frank wrote:
On 4/16/2023 12:57 AM, Rod Speed wrote:
On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 14:00:03 +1000, T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:

Since coal can be made into gasoline, can natural gas be made
into gasoline as well?

You can make any hydrocarbon into any other hydrocarbon, but
whether it makes sense to do that is a separate issue.

That would also be my answer.
Google \'catalytic cracking\'.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluid_catalytic_cracking That\'s how
they break up heavy oils into lighter fractions.
Going the reverse direction is not used so much.
But still, is used...
http://www.setlab.com/resources/refining/polymerization/

Syn gas from coal might be a better precursor.

That\'s essentially what fracking is, with the coal left in the
ground.

Depends on what is meant by syngas. Coal gas is a mixture of hydrogen
and carbon monoxide, making it a favorite of suicides.
Coal gas is never called syngas.

The term is equivalent.

Nope. The gas produced by fracking is nothing like coal gas.

You are correct. The gas released by fracking is natural gas, chiefly
methane, the same as a natural gas well. There is nothing \'syn\' about it.

They had to find something else when the switchover to natural gas
occurred. Natural gas from fracking is mostly methane.

 

[rbowman]

On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 09:48:49 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

The old BBC mysteries had murders performed with coal gas. Or guns.
Now they have to use poison or push people off roofs.

Sylvia Plath found it quiet effective. You might blow the place up but it
was more environmentally friendly than what the Japanese came up with.

https://www.wired.com/2009/03/japanese-deterg/

They\'re polite though. They print warning signs advising responders to don
hazmat suits prior to retrieving the corpse.

 

[rbowman]

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 04:11:27 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:

Now they have to use poison or push people off roofs.

Nope, Midsommer Murders doesnt.

No imagination. In a Father Brown episode the vicar kills his gay blade
brother by throwing a hammer off the roof.

 

[rbowman]

On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 17:59:43 +0100, charles wrote:

Skoda is a car manufacturer based in the Czech Republic. It is a wholly
owned subsiduary of Volkswagen. I have owned a Skoda EV (Enyaq) for
about 18 months; SWMBO has a small Skoda petrol car for 12 years.

Definitely not a player in the US market, nor is Dacia or a number of
other manufacturers. Too bad. I had a Renault Alliance (Renault 9) rental
that was a decent car -- but that was close to 40 years ago. I think they
pulled out in \'89. My brother had a Peugeot he really liked but they are
long gone. The brief rumor that they were coming back to the US died.