Interesting Letter-to-the-Editor

[Bill Sloman]

Jim Thompson <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:<d37ssvs5ocpjqvlg08qated2pm1vd35gmq@4ax.com>...

On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 17:22:16 -0000, "Mjolinor" <mjolinor@hotmail.com
wrote:

Excellent response. A tad kinder than I would have been.

I wouldn't normally be replying at all, given the source (Sloman),
but...

Sloman says, "...you are a bunch of over-taxed suckers."

We are *far* less taxed than you socialist-mecca village idiots.

I already see the signs of your economies going to hell, and you are
already reverting to blaming the Jews, so I look forward to bombing
you off the face of the earth.

If you had read the rest of my tripe, you might have noticed that our
slightly higher tax rates buy us better social welfare, which pays off
in higher labour mobility and productivity. You won't believe this,
but less blinkered lurkers should check out Will Hutton's "The World
We're In" (buy it from www.amazon.co.uk).

If you knew more than the bare minimum about the increasing numbers of
anti-Semitic incidents Europe, you'd be aware that the perpetrators
seem to be mostly second-generation Arab immigrants, reacting against
a perceived anti-Islamic campaign by the U.S. and its right-wing
allies.

Granting your enthusiasm for bombing some of their countries of origin
off the face of the earth, one can understand their distress (while
deploring their actions), though it is difficult to see why they
should be targeting Jews (just one more of your right-wing allies)
rather than the axis of intolerance itself.

Maybe they believe in some comic conspiracy theory in which Sharon is
Dubbya's puppet master - though this can be trivially falsified by
noting that Dubbya's nose is still of perfectly normal length.

--------
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

 

[Bill Sloman]

toor@iquest.net (John S. Dyson) wrote in message news:<bqlac3$2pos$1@news.iquest.net>...

In article <7c584d27.0312030857.28ad03ff@posting.google.com>,
bill.sloman@ieee.org (Bill Sloman) writes:
toor@iquest.net (John S. Dyson) wrote in message news:<bqh4dd$1etf$2@news.iquest.net>...
In article <3FCBFB88.22C7@armory.com>,
"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> writes:
John S. Dyson wrote:

It is interesting where the 'socialist meccas' like France and
Germany are also having problems with their budgets, and they
don't even do a competent job of providing for their own defense.
----------------------
They have the industrial output, they simply prefer to spend it
on luxuries as long as they can.

The cost of defense isn't really that great (very few defense
plants per-se in the US.) It is that the LAZY-ASS socialist meccas
choose to suckle off the American teat.

American spending in defence is equal to the sum of the total defence
spending of the next ten nations down the pecking order.

This shows how inadequate an incapable most of the other nations
are. I doubt that any European nation other than Switzerland
or perhaps UK could actually defend themselves on their own
soil.

Well, Germany supplied the gun in your M1 Abrams tank (designed by the
Rheinmetall Corporation of Germany , and the U.K. the Chobham armour.
Our degeneration might not be quite as extreme as you seem to think.

http://www.3ad.net/abrams_tank.htm

The paranoid reaction to this would be to assume that you plan to
invade the lot of us at once.

Yes -- you do show some serious paranoid/incompetent thinking.

Whereas your thinking is merely ill-informed.

The realistic reaction is probably that your politico-economic
structure is in a mess,

Actually, it has some problems, but our productivity is still
pretty damned good. The biggest problem is that your own nations
are mostly basket cases -- IN-EXTREMIS, both culturally and
economically. Geesh, are the Europeans starting to go around Jew
bashing yet? Sure looks like that is the trend.

Your economy is starting to look healthier at the moment, now that the
dollar only buys 0.83 eurocents - a 33% devaluation over the past
year. You've still got a massive (and growing) balance of payments
deficit with the rest of the world, which is one problem that the
European "basket cases" don't seem to have to deal with. Your budget
deficit of 3.5% looks better than the 4.2% in Germany and France, to
anybody whose economic education stopped before the lecturer got onto
John Maynard Keynes, but you've still got to tackle that balance of
payments deficit before your oil suppliers turn off the tap.

As for the unfortunate and undesirable rash of Jew-bashing incidents
in Europe - the problem seems to be a bunch of irritated and upset
second-generation Arab immigrants in Europe who are reacting
irrationally to the perceived anti-Islamic activities of the U.S. and
its right-wing allies in Irak and Afghanistan. The French and the
Germans would have liked you to have taken the time to acquire a U.N.
fig-leaf before you invaded the Iraki oil-fields, and the epidemic of
Jew-bashing is just one of the prices we are paying for your rashness.

But it would be unrealistic to expect you to grasp that sort of
complication.

In a funny (in a sad way), you have demonstrated your rot that
I have been trying to explain to you.

Dream on.

------
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

 

[Bill Sloman]

Paul Burridge <pb@osiris1.notthisbit.co.uk> wrote in message news:<206qsvorn1nh0ge63kldvj31p1a03upc9k@4ax.com>...

On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 18:16:43 GMT, "Ban" <bansuri@web.de> wrote:

<snip>

That might be *your* dream, but for the vast majority of us in
Britain, it's a nightmare that we won't suffer to happen. To hell with
EUrope!

The Brits are a masochistic crew, and the prospect of good cooking
frightens a lot of them. Don't worry Paul - the Dutch were foundation
members of the EU and you can still get truly appalling food here if
you know where to look.

You can also eat extremely well. There is one restaurant with three
Michelin stars that I can personally recommend, and one with two that
is even better, not that I could have afforded to eat either place
that often when my wife and I were only paid U.K. salaries.

-------
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

 

[Bill Sloman]

Jim Thompson <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:<i5dqsvg26ldqd82ua0j3mol1ccsmm6t5gq@4ax.com>...

On 2 Dec 2003 16:30:08 -0800, Winfield Hill
Winfield_member@newsguy.com> wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote...

And ALL of it *smell* like eastern France? No thanks.

Yeah? Well, who can say, maybe someday after we get over
our extreme bout of nationalism one of our companies will
make a killing opening up some new deodorant markets.

Thanks,
- Win

whill_at_picovolt-dot-com

The French indeed could use some deodorant, but that-to-which-I-refer
is due to a poor sewage system... really rank and noticeable as you
drive across the Rhein into France.

The Rhine used to be a bit whiffy, but French, the Germans and the
Swiss are progressively cleaning it up. By the time it gets to
Nijmegen (where it is called the Waal) it smells fine.

Our route from Nijmegen to Burgundy lies rather to the west, initially
along the Meuse (called the Maas in Netherlands) and we've not noted
any particular stinks along the way. Alsace smelt fine the last time
we visited it, but that must be more than ten years ago now.

Then, of course, there's the Social Security Office on every corner...
just what we need here in the good ol' USA ;-)

You probably do, but the absence of effective controls on electoral
expenditure favours the rich, who have a short-sighted preference for
a low tax regime that lumbers them with an under-fed and
under-educated working-class, who end up in a lot of expensive prison
cells for want of adequate social security.

I know that you find Will Hutton heretical, but those less vulnerable
to the Republican Inquisition might risk importing "The World We're
In" - order it from www.amazon.co.uk - and take the chance of exposing
their immortal souls to some rather unpalatable facts about God's own
country.

------
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

 

[John Fields]

On 4 Dec 2003 09:19:39 -0800, bill.sloman@ieee.org (Bill Sloman) wrote:

Your economy is starting to look healthier at the moment, now that the
dollar only buys 0.83 eurocents - a 33% devaluation over the past
year. You've still got a massive (and growing) balance of payments
deficit with the rest of the world, which is one problem that the
European "basket cases" don't seem to have to deal with. Your budget
deficit of 3.5% looks better than the 4.2% in Germany and France, to
anybody whose economic education stopped before the lecturer got onto
John Maynard Keynes, but you've still got to tackle that balance of
payments deficit before your oil suppliers turn off the tap.

---
You're a naive child if you think that we would stand for anything like
that happening. We have the weapons we do for a reason, and that reason
isn't because we expect to take 'no' for an answer from our "friends".
---

As for the unfortunate and undesirable rash of Jew-bashing incidents
in Europe - the problem seems to be a bunch of irritated and upset
second-generation Arab immigrants in Europe who are reacting
irrationally to the perceived anti-Islamic activities of the U.S. and
its right-wing allies in Irak and Afghanistan. The French and the
Germans would have liked you to have taken the time to acquire a U.N.
fig-leaf before you invaded the Iraki oil-fields, and the epidemic of
Jew-bashing is just one of the prices we are paying for your rashness.

---
If that's true, then the Jew-bashing would have started after the
invasion regardless of whether or not we chose to wait to pacify the
goddam French pussies or the German control freaks. We went when we did
because it was time to, it was _our_ call, and we got tired of all of
your bullshit delaying tactics.
---

But it would be unrealistic to expect you to grasp that sort of
complication.

---
The only complication I see here is for ineffectual perpetual
complainers like you who are unhappy with their lot but can't do
anything about it but whine.
---

Dream on.

---
Wake up.

--
John Fields

 

[John S. Dyson]

In article <7c584d27.0312040928.56a60fa1@posting.google.com>,
bill.sloman@ieee.org (Bill Sloman) writes:

Paul Burridge <pb@osiris1.notthisbit.co.uk> wrote in message news:<206qsvorn1nh0ge63kldvj31p1a03upc9k@4ax.com>...
On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 18:16:43 GMT, "Ban" <bansuri@web.de> wrote:

snip

That might be *your* dream, but for the vast majority of us in
Britain, it's a nightmare that we won't suffer to happen. To hell with
EUrope!

The Brits are a masochistic crew, and the prospect of good cooking
frightens a lot of them.

Truly, you hit the nail on the head -- the ONLY thing that the EU

offers is French cooking. French attitudes or French control of
the EU aren't the positive attributes... The toadie nations like
yours just don't really count.

John

 

[Jim Thompson]

On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 12:56:22 -0600, John Fields
<jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

On 4 Dec 2003 09:19:39 -0800, bill.sloman@ieee.org (Bill Sloman) wrote:

[snip]

But it would be unrealistic to expect you to grasp that sort of
complication.

---
The only complication I see here is for ineffectual perpetual
complainers like you who are unhappy with their lot but can't do
anything about it but whine.

[snip]

ROTFLMAO! John, Would you please get off the fence ?

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

 

[Frank Bemelman]

"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> schreef in bericht
news:ekvusv8bsg35uhrvaeg992p030qo5h3gqf@4ax.com...

On 4 Dec 2003 09:19:39 -0800, bill.sloman@ieee.org (Bill Sloman) wrote:


Your economy is starting to look healthier at the moment, now that the
dollar only buys 0.83 eurocents - a 33% devaluation over the past
year. You've still got a massive (and growing) balance of payments
deficit with the rest of the world, which is one problem that the
European "basket cases" don't seem to have to deal with. Your budget
deficit of 3.5% looks better than the 4.2% in Germany and France, to
anybody whose economic education stopped before the lecturer got onto
John Maynard Keynes, but you've still got to tackle that balance of
payments deficit before your oil suppliers turn off the tap.

---
You're a naive child if you think that we would stand for anything like
that happening. We have the weapons we do for a reason, and that reason
isn't because we expect to take 'no' for an answer from our "friends".
---

As for the unfortunate and undesirable rash of Jew-bashing incidents
in Europe - the problem seems to be a bunch of irritated and upset
second-generation Arab immigrants in Europe who are reacting
irrationally to the perceived anti-Islamic activities of the U.S. and
its right-wing allies in Irak and Afghanistan. The French and the
Germans would have liked you to have taken the time to acquire a U.N.
fig-leaf before you invaded the Iraki oil-fields, and the epidemic of
Jew-bashing is just one of the prices we are paying for your rashness.

---
If that's true, then the Jew-bashing would have started after the
invasion regardless of whether or not we chose to wait to pacify the
goddam French pussies or the German control freaks. We went when we did
because it was time to, it was _our_ call, and we got tired of all of
your bullshit delaying tactics.
---

Well if everthing is just a matter of '_our_ call' I can understand
that you don't need permission for whatever new and holy tactics
you have in mind. Nuke 'm. period. Keep it simple!

OTH, there have been some 'Jew-bashing' incidents over the
last years, not to mention what happened in Israel, but also
here in the Netherlands. Here it were relative small incidents,
no bombs yet.

Apart from not knowing how to deal with that, I'm sure that
the invasion hasn't helped, that it actually may have motivated
people to make the next step and increase their violence.

Bullshit delaying tactics can be a nuissance, but stirring
up the beehive isn't my idea of a perfect solution either.

[snip]

--
Thanks, Frank.
(remove 'x' and 'invalid' when replying by email)

 

[Daniel Haude]

["Followup-To:" header set to sci.electronics.design.]
On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 12:56:22 -0600,
John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote
in Msg. <ekvusv8bsg35uhrvaeg992p030qo5h3gqf@4ax.com>

The only complication I see here is for ineffectual perpetual
complainers like you who are unhappy with their lot but can't do
anything about it but whine.

Funny that the only people perpetually whining are the Americans.

--Daniel

--
"With me is nothing wrong! And with you?" (from r.a.m.p)

 

[John Fields]

On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 12:04:02 -0700, Jim Thompson
<invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

ROTFLMAO! John, Would you please get off the fence ?

---
Lately I've been trying to stay on the non-confrontational side of the
political fence, but every once in a while some snide, knowitall
sonofabitch like Sloman or that ignorant Haude cocksucker pull their
America-bashing shit and try to convince everyone that the US is the
root cause of the world's ills.

Of course they have only destructive comments to offer and, in Sloman's
case, "Do it my way." seems to be his answer for everything. Amazing
that with the talent he believes he has and the insight he professes to
possess he's not risen to a higher position than Monday-morning
quarterback.

GRRRRR...
230 over 180, here I come ;^)

--
John Fields

 

[Jim Thompson]

On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 17:18:18 -0600, John Fields
<jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 12:04:02 -0700, Jim Thompson
invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:


ROTFLMAO! John, Would you please get off the fence ?

---
Lately I've been trying to stay on the non-confrontational side of the
political fence, but every once in a while some snide, knowitall
sonofabitch like Sloman or that ignorant Haude cocksucker pull their
America-bashing shit and try to convince everyone that the US is the
root cause of the world's ills.

I be bad... I just can't resist taunting these SOBs... they're so
ignorant of anything other than the socialist theory... I just love to
keep them flailing away ;-)

Of course they have only destructive comments to offer and, in Sloman's
case, "Do it my way." seems to be his answer for everything. Amazing
that with the talent he believes he has and the insight he professes to
possess he's not risen to a higher position than Monday-morning
quarterback.

Sloman is the reference international standard for ignorance.

GRRRRR...
230 over 180, here I come ;^)

Easy, there. Have a nice glass of Chardonnay. Try Yellow Tail from
Australia... really quite good, and less than $6 per bottle.

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

 

[Mjolinor]

Lately I've been trying to stay on the non-confrontational side of the
political fence, but every once in a while some snide, knowitall
sonofabitch like Sloman or that ignorant Haude cocksucker pull their
America-bashing shit and try to convince everyone that the US is the
root cause of the world's ills.

I be bad... I just can't resist taunting these SOBs... they're so
ignorant of anything other than the socialist theory... I just love to
keep them flailing away ;-)


Of course they have only destructive comments to offer and, in Sloman's
case, "Do it my way." seems to be his answer for everything. Amazing
that with the talent he believes he has and the insight he professes to
possess he's not risen to a higher position than Monday-morning
quarterback.

Sloman is the reference international standard for ignorance.


GRRRRR...
230 over 180, here I come ;^)

Everyone back on the fence, it's a lot more pleasant in here that way

 

[Daniel Haude]

["Followup-To:" header set to sci.electronics.design.]
On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 17:18:18 -0600,
John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote
in Msg. <3jevsvc3f2667i74gbojtep3l08rk10gg0@4ax.com>

sonofabitch like Sloman or that ignorant Haude cocksucker pull their
America-bashing shit and try to convince everyone that the US is the
root cause of the world's ills.

I'd be very grateful if you could quote A SINGLE SENTENCE in which I have
been "pulling America-bashing shit". Just a single one. You won't fucking
dare.

--Daniel

--
"With me is nothing wrong! And with you?" (from r.a.m.p)

 

[Bill Sloman]

John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message news:<ekvusv8bsg35uhrvaeg992p030qo5h3gqf@4ax.com>...

On 4 Dec 2003 09:19:39 -0800, bill.sloman@ieee.org (Bill Sloman) wrote:


Your economy is starting to look healthier at the moment, now that the
dollar only buys 0.83 eurocents - a 33% devaluation over the past
year. You've still got a massive (and growing) balance of payments
deficit with the rest of the world, which is one problem that the
European "basket cases" don't seem to have to deal with. Your budget
deficit of 3.5% looks better than the 4.2% in Germany and France, to
anybody whose economic education stopped before the lecturer got onto
John Maynard Keynes, but you've still got to tackle that balance of
payments deficit before your oil suppliers turn off the tap.

---
You're a naive child if you think that we would stand for anything like
that happening. We have the weapons we do for a reason, and that reason
isn't because we expect to take 'no' for an answer from our "friends".
---

And Dubbya and his team of naive retards may be silly enough to think
that invading and occupying an oil-field is enough to guarantee that
the oil will flow from the field to the refineries to the tankers that
will take it to the U.S.A., despite the fact that a few rag-tag
terrorists in Irak seem to be able to blow up the pipe-lines there
more or less at will.

Wiser heads are aware that guerilla warfare is particularly effective
at disabling complicated infra-structure. Your bloated arsenal of
weapons isn't going to let you pirate overseas oil fields, and only a
half-wit would dream that it was possible.

As for the unfortunate and undesirable rash of Jew-bashing incidents
in Europe - the problem seems to be a bunch of irritated and upset
second-generation Arab immigrants in Europe who are reacting
irrationally to the perceived anti-Islamic activities of the U.S. and
its right-wing allies in Irak and Afghanistan. The French and the
Germans would have liked you to have taken the time to acquire a U.N.
fig-leaf before you invaded the Iraki oil-fields, and the epidemic of
Jew-bashing is just one of the prices we are paying for your rashness.

---
If that's true, then the Jew-bashing would have started after the
invasion regardless of whether or not we chose to wait to pacify the
goddam French pussies or the German control freaks. We went when we did
because it was time to, it was _our_ call, and we got tired of all of
your bullshit delaying tactics.
---

But it would be unrealistic to expect you to grasp that sort of
complication.

---
The only complication I see here is for ineffectual perpetual
complainers like you who are unhappy with their lot but can't do
anything about it but whine.
---

Precisely. As I said, you are incapable of grasping that sort of
complication.

To spell it out in the sort of detail that even your tiny mind might
be able to absorb, if the force that had invaded Irak had been
operating under a U.N. mandate, and had included at least a token Arab
contingent, the second-generation Arab immigrants in Europe might well
have failed to perceive it as anti-Islamic exercise in Arab-bashing,
and might now be less pissed off.

Had you taken the time to set up this confidence trick, you might now
be enjoying the advantage of being perceived as the leaders of a
liberation army, rather than an occupying force, and the al Qa'eda
recruiters who are now doing a land-trade business in feeding
potential martyrs into Irak would have to be working a lot harder for
their cannon-fodder.

These may all seem like trivial advantages from your parochial Texan
perspective, easily cast aside in pursuit of the crucial strategic aim
of getting Dubbya re-elected to a second term, but some of the
body-bags involved may well come home to your neighbourhood.

-------
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

 

[Bill Sloman]

Jim Thompson <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:<nkgvsvcfj2dqppnu0ur4fjn5cr1h8il5b0@4ax.com>...

On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 17:18:18 -0600, John Fields
jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 12:04:02 -0700, Jim Thompson
invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:


ROTFLMAO! John, Would you please get off the fence ?

---
Lately I've been trying to stay on the non-confrontational side of the
political fence, but every once in a while some snide, knowitall
sonofabitch like Sloman or that ignorant Haude cocksucker pull their
America-bashing shit and try to convince everyone that the US is the
root cause of the world's ills.

With a few localised exceptions, the world is surviving the U.S.
reasonably well, but the U.S. is busy shooting itself in the foot, and
some of the collateral damage is irritating.

I be bad... I just can't resist taunting these SOBs... they're so
ignorant of anything other than the socialist theory... I just love to
keep them flailing away ;-)

Whereas you seem to be ignorant of everything *including* socialist
theory.

Of course they have only destructive comments to offer and, in Sloman's
case, "Do it my way." seems to be his answer for everything. Amazing
that with the talent he believes he has and the insight he professes to
possess he's not risen to a higher position than Monday-morning
quarterback.

Sloman is the reference international standard for ignorance.

An endorsement that I'll treasure - roughly equivalent to the blind
man's appreciation of Rembrandt.

GRRRRR...
230 over 180, here I come ;^)

Easy, there. Have a nice glass of Chardonnay. Try Yellow Tail from
Australia... really quite good, and less than $6 per bottle.

And the current Australian government is staunchly right-wing, run by
just the sort of conscienceless little psychopath that America finds
it easy to do business with. I can't understand how you failed to
bribe Chirac into playing along with your invasion of Irak - the only
reason the guy isn't in prison for bribery and corruption is that he
has presidential immunity. Maybe you didn't offer enough cash, or
tried to pay him off in dollars rather than euros?

Enjoy the Yellow Tail while you can Jim - Australia may yet elect a
government with some moral fibre, which might make the wine as
unpalatable to you as a Premier Cru Chablis is now, and in the
meantime the ever-declining dollar may reduce you to Californian
chardonnays (and we'll have bought up all the Russian River
Chardonnay's with our all-mighty euros).

Of course, if you had good contacts in the wine trade, and a somewhat
more selective palate, you'd have a case of Grosset's Polish Hill
Riesling 2003 in the cellar, doing a little quiet maturing.

-------
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

 

[John Fields]

On 5 Dec 2003 03:11:26 -0800, bill.sloman@ieee.org (Bill Sloman) wrote:

John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message news:<ekvusv8bsg35uhrvaeg992p030qo5h3gqf@4ax.com>...
On 4 Dec 2003 09:19:39 -0800, bill.sloman@ieee.org (Bill Sloman) wrote:


Your economy is starting to look healthier at the moment, now that the
dollar only buys 0.83 eurocents - a 33% devaluation over the past
year. You've still got a massive (and growing) balance of payments
deficit with the rest of the world, which is one problem that the
European "basket cases" don't seem to have to deal with. Your budget
deficit of 3.5% looks better than the 4.2% in Germany and France, to
anybody whose economic education stopped before the lecturer got onto
John Maynard Keynes, but you've still got to tackle that balance of
payments deficit before your oil suppliers turn off the tap.

---
You're a naive child if you think that we would stand for anything like
that happening. We have the weapons we do for a reason, and that reason
isn't because we expect to take 'no' for an answer from our "friends".
---

And Dubbya and his team of naive retards may be silly enough to think
that invading and occupying an oil-field is enough to guarantee that
the oil will flow from the field to the refineries to the tankers that
will take it to the U.S.A., despite the fact that a few rag-tag
terrorists in Irak seem to be able to blow up the pipe-lines there
more or less at will.

---
What invading and occupying a country will do is not guarantee that the
oil from its fields will flow into the US, it guarantees that the income
derived from those fields will not continue to flow into the coffers of
Saddam Hussein and his ilk. You _can_ rest assured about one thing
however, and that is that we _will_ get the oil. We'll buy it, of
course, (like we always do) after we stabilize the country and take out
that rag-tag band of envious troublemakers you so admire, and then
you'll be able to bitch about how unfair it is that we made Iraq rich
instead of sharing the spoils of war with amchair admirals like you.
---

Wiser heads are aware that guerilla warfare is particularly effective
at disabling complicated infra-structure. Your bloated arsenal of
weapons isn't going to let you pirate overseas oil fields, and only a
half-wit would dream that it was possible.

---
Only someone seriously disturbed would think that we have intentions of
pirating anything, and you seem to forget that we kept this country from
falling into British hands by largely being a rag-tag bunch of guerillas
ourselves, so we know what that's about. Not that it matters much,
since our our abundantly large arsenal of will, wealth, and weapons
_will_ allow us to prevail and then turn that country back over to them,
just like we did Japan.
---

As for the unfortunate and undesirable rash of Jew-bashing incidents
in Europe - the problem seems to be a bunch of irritated and upset
second-generation Arab immigrants in Europe who are reacting
irrationally to the perceived anti-Islamic activities of the U.S. and
its right-wing allies in Irak and Afghanistan. The French and the
Germans would have liked you to have taken the time to acquire a U.N.
fig-leaf before you invaded the Iraki oil-fields, and the epidemic of
Jew-bashing is just one of the prices we are paying for your rashness.

---
If that's true, then the Jew-bashing would have started after the
invasion regardless of whether or not we chose to wait to pacify the
goddam French pussies or the German control freaks. We went when we did
because it was time to, it was _our_ call, and we got tired of all of
your bullshit delaying tactics.
---

But it would be unrealistic to expect you to grasp that sort of
complication.

---
The only complication I see here is for ineffectual perpetual
complainers like you who are unhappy with their lot but can't do
anything about it but whine.
---

Precisely. As I said, you are incapable of grasping that sort of
complication.

To spell it out in the sort of detail that even your tiny mind might
be able to absorb, if the force that had invaded Irak had been
operating under a U.N. mandate, and had included at least a token Arab
contingent, the second-generation Arab immigrants in Europe might well
have failed to perceive it as anti-Islamic exercise in Arab-bashing,
and might now be less pissed off.

---
Ah, yes... One of the tenets of the Sloman Doctrine. "If this, and if
that, then maybe the other." In any case, they were a bunch of Jew
hating bastards to start with and were just waiting for the slightest
excuse to "legitimize" bringing their hate fantasies into reality. But,
according to the Sloman Doctrine, the fate of the many should be decided
upon by the perceived reaction of the few. Kind of like "Torpedos???
Come to full stop!"
---

Had you taken the time to set up this confidence trick, you might now
be enjoying the advantage of being perceived as the leaders of a
liberation army, rather than an occupying force, and the al Qa'eda
recruiters who are now doing a land-trade business in feeding
potential martyrs into Irak would have to be working a lot harder for
their cannon-fodder.

---
More "If, then maybe." Sloman Doctrine.
They'll run out of cannon fodder soon enough, and in the meantime all
they're doing is getting rid of the weeds.
---

These may all seem like trivial advantages from your parochial Texan
perspective, easily cast aside in pursuit of the crucial strategic aim
of getting Dubbya re-elected to a second term, but some of the
body-bags involved may well come home to your neighbourhood.

---
They already have, and as usual it's part of the price we have to pay to
allow curs like you to growl.

--
John Fields

 

[John Fields]

On 5 Dec 2003 03:40:43 -0800, bill.sloman@ieee.org (Bill Sloman) wrote:

With a few localised exceptions, the world is surviving the U.S.
reasonably well, but the U.S. is busy shooting itself in the foot, and
some of the collateral damage is irritating.

---
Yes, some of those under our heel are starting to feel threatened.
---

I be bad... I just can't resist taunting these SOBs... they're so
ignorant of anything other than the socialist theory... I just love to
keep them flailing away ;-)

Whereas you seem to be ignorant of everything *including* socialist
theory.

Of course they have only destructive comments to offer and, in Sloman's
case, "Do it my way." seems to be his answer for everything. Amazing
that with the talent he believes he has and the insight he professes to
possess he's not risen to a higher position than Monday-morning
quarterback.

Sloman is the reference international standard for ignorance.

An endorsement that I'll treasure - roughly equivalent to the blind
man's appreciation of Rembrandt.

---
The blind man would easily be able to discern that Rembrandt's brush
strokes weren't made with a broom.
---

GRRRRR...
230 over 180, here I come ;^)

Easy, there. Have a nice glass of Chardonnay. Try Yellow Tail from
Australia... really quite good, and less than $6 per bottle.

And the current Australian government is staunchly right-wing, run by
just the sort of conscienceless little psychopath that America finds
it easy to do business with. I can't understand how you failed to
bribe Chirac into playing along with your invasion of Irak - the only
reason the guy isn't in prison for bribery and corruption is that he
has presidential immunity. Maybe you didn't offer enough cash, or
tried to pay him off in dollars rather than euros?

Enjoy the Yellow Tail while you can Jim - Australia may yet elect a
government with some moral fibre, which might make the wine as
unpalatable to you as a Premier Cru Chablis is now, and in the
meantime the ever-declining dollar may reduce you to Californian
chardonnays (and we'll have bought up all the Russian River
Chardonnay's with our all-mighty euros).

---
"If, then maybe." The Sloman Doctrine again? And again? And yet
again?
---

Of course, if you had good contacts in the wine trade, and a somewhat
more selective palate, you'd have a case of Grosset's Polish Hill
Riesling 2003 in the cellar, doing a little quiet maturing.

---
Would that you could follow its example.

--
John Fields

 

[Bill Sloman]

John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message news:<bc41tvgiosppmmg51a1nm4n8qdmvimtqib@4ax.com>...

On 5 Dec 2003 03:11:26 -0800, bill.sloman@ieee.org (Bill Sloman) wrote:

John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message news:<ekvusv8bsg35uhrvaeg992p030qo5h3gqf@4ax.com>...
On 4 Dec 2003 09:19:39 -0800, bill.sloman@ieee.org (Bill Sloman) wrote:


Your economy is starting to look healthier at the moment, now that the
dollar only buys 0.83 eurocents - a 33% devaluation over the past
year. You've still got a massive (and growing) balance of payments
deficit with the rest of the world, which is one problem that the
European "basket cases" don't seem to have to deal with. Your budget
deficit of 3.5% looks better than the 4.2% in Germany and France, to
anybody whose economic education stopped before the lecturer got onto
John Maynard Keynes, but you've still got to tackle that balance of
payments deficit before your oil suppliers turn off the tap.

---
You're a naive child if you think that we would stand for anything like
that happening. We have the weapons we do for a reason, and that reason
isn't because we expect to take 'no' for an answer from our "friends".
---

And Dubbya and his team of naive retards may be silly enough to think
that invading and occupying an oil-field is enough to guarantee that
the oil will flow from the field to the refineries to the tankers that
will take it to the U.S.A., despite the fact that a few rag-tag
terrorists in Irak seem to be able to blow up the pipe-lines there
more or less at will.

---
What invading and occupying a country will do is not guarantee that the
oil from its fields will flow into the US, it guarantees that the income
derived from those fields will not continue to flow into the coffers of
Saddam Hussein and his ilk. You _can_ rest assured about one thing
however, and that is that we _will_ get the oil. We'll buy it, of
course, (like we always do) after we stabilize the country and take out
that rag-tag band of envious troublemakers you so admire, and then
you'll be able to bitch about how unfair it is that we made Iraq rich
instead of sharing the spoils of war with amchair admirals like you.

I was rather fancying myself as an armchair diplomat, until the
reality check cut in.

I'm glad to think that you are going to buy Irak's oil - it shows a
deep-down honesty that reflects well on your character.

I'm not so sure that you have got the money. The U.S. has been running
a large balance of payments deficit since the Regan days, and the
capital inflows (selling the farm) that used to sustain it have dried
up. The current devaluation of the dollar reflects this inconvenient
fact. Your ignorance of this point shows a deep-down cognitive deficit
that reflects badly on your intelligence.

Saddam had takien to selling his oil for euros before you invaded -
some have claimed that this was what motivated the invasion - and I
imagine any independent regime in Irak would prefer to be paid in a
hard currency

Wiser heads are aware that guerilla warfare is particularly effective
at disabling complicated infra-structure. Your bloated arsenal of
weapons isn't going to let you pirate overseas oil fields, and only a
half-wit would dream that it was possible.

---
Only someone seriously disturbed would think that we have intentions of
pirating anything, and you seem to forget that we kept this country from
falling into British hands by largely being a rag-tag bunch of guerillas
ourselves, so we know what that's about.

You wouldn't believe it from what the guns nuts post - they think that
just owning a gun converts them into an organised and effective
military force. And I recall that your historical familiarity with the
guerilla tactics of the 1770's, probably based on having watched every
episode of "Swamp Fox", didn't do you much good in Vietnam.

Not that it matters much,
since our our abundantly large arsenal of will, wealth, and weapons
_will_ allow us to prevail and then turn that country back over to them,
just like we did Japan.
---

Ooooh! So where are you going to drop the hyper-macho H-bombs then?

As for the unfortunate and undesirable rash of Jew-bashing incidents
in Europe - the problem seems to be a bunch of irritated and upset
second-generation Arab immigrants in Europe who are reacting
irrationally to the perceived anti-Islamic activities of the U.S. and
its right-wing allies in Irak and Afghanistan. The French and the
Germans would have liked you to have taken the time to acquire a U.N.
fig-leaf before you invaded the Iraki oil-fields, and the epidemic of
Jew-bashing is just one of the prices we are paying for your rashness.

---
If that's true, then the Jew-bashing would have started after the
invasion regardless of whether or not we chose to wait to pacify the
goddam French pussies or the German control freaks. We went when we did
because it was time to, it was _our_ call, and we got tired of all of
your bullshit delaying tactics.
---

But it would be unrealistic to expect you to grasp that sort of
complication.

---
The only complication I see here is for ineffectual perpetual
complainers like you who are unhappy with their lot but can't do
anything about it but whine.
---

Precisely. As I said, you are incapable of grasping that sort of
complication.

To spell it out in the sort of detail that even your tiny mind might
be able to absorb, if the force that had invaded Irak had been
operating under a U.N. mandate, and had included at least a token Arab
contingent, the second-generation Arab immigrants in Europe might well
have failed to perceive it as anti-Islamic exercise in Arab-bashing,
and might now be less pissed off.

---
Ah, yes... One of the tenets of the Sloman Doctrine. "If this, and if
that, then maybe the other." In any case, they were a bunch of Jew
hating bastards to start with and were just waiting for the slightest
excuse to "legitimize" bringing their hate fantasies into reality.

I don't know. With any sort of luck, the right sort of propaganda
campaign could have directed their hate fantasies at Saddam Hussein,
who has killed enough Shi'ite Muslims to irritate a fair number of
that branch of Islam, and enough Sunni Kurds to worry the rest.

You probably would have had to muzzle Sharron to get away with it, but
that would hae been effort well-spent.

But, according to the Sloman Doctrine, the fate of the many should be decided
upon by the perceived reaction of the few. Kind of like "Torpedos???
Come to full stop!"
---

Had you taken the time to set up this confidence trick, you might now
be enjoying the advantage of being perceived as the leaders of a
liberation army, rather than an occupying force, and the al Qa'eda
recruiters who are now doing a land-trade business in feeding
potential martyrs into Irak would have to be working a lot harder for
their cannon-fodder.

---
More "If, then maybe." Sloman Doctrine. They'll run out of cannon fodder
soon enough, and in the meantime all they're doing is getting rid of the
weeds.
---

Funny way to describe your own servicemen. There do seem to be quite a
lot of Arabs - rather more cannon fodder than Ho Chi Min had at his
disposal, and he had enough.

These may all seem like trivial advantages from your parochial Texan
perspective, easily cast aside in pursuit of the crucial strategic aim
of getting Dubbya re-elected to a second term, but some of the
body-bags involved may well come home to your neighbourhood.

---
They already have, and as usual it's part of the price we have to pay to
allow curs like you to growl.

Yep. Get yourself into an unnecessary war, pass up any chance to look
like liberation force rather than an occupying army, and then tell the
critics that the consequences of your impetuousness have been incurred
to defend their right to free speech. You are wasted on Hicksville,
Texas, and should join your soul-mates in Hicksville-on-the-Potomac.

-------
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

 

[Bill Sloman]

John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message news:<kk81tvorus6op9jetmdohj5jiib35er1r2@4ax.com>...

On 5 Dec 2003 03:40:43 -0800, bill.sloman@ieee.org (Bill Sloman) wrote:

<snip>

Of course, if you had good contacts in the wine trade, and a somewhat
more selective palate, you'd have a case of Grosset's Polish Hill
Riesling 2003 in the cellar, doing a little quiet maturing.

---
Would that you could follow its example.

If only I could. But I do have my civic responsibilities to consider -
so much nonsense, and so little time to be rude about it.

------
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

 

[John S. Dyson]

In article <7c584d27.0312051452.198b14cd@posting.google.com>,
bill.sloman@ieee.org (Bill Sloman) writes:

John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message news:<bc41tvgiosppmmg51a1nm4n8qdmvimtqib@4ax.com>...
On 5 Dec 2003 03:11:26 -0800, bill.sloman@ieee.org (Bill Sloman) wrote:

John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message news:<ekvusv8bsg35uhrvaeg992p030qo5h3gqf@4ax.com>...
On 4 Dec 2003 09:19:39 -0800, bill.sloman@ieee.org (Bill Sloman) wrote:


Your economy is starting to look healthier at the moment, now that the
dollar only buys 0.83 eurocents - a 33% devaluation over the past
year. You've still got a massive (and growing) balance of payments
deficit with the rest of the world, which is one problem that the
European "basket cases" don't seem to have to deal with. Your budget
deficit of 3.5% looks better than the 4.2% in Germany and France, to
anybody whose economic education stopped before the lecturer got onto
John Maynard Keynes, but you've still got to tackle that balance of
payments deficit before your oil suppliers turn off the tap.

---
You're a naive child if you think that we would stand for anything like
that happening. We have the weapons we do for a reason, and that reason
isn't because we expect to take 'no' for an answer from our "friends".
---

And Dubbya and his team of naive retards may be silly enough to think
that invading and occupying an oil-field is enough to guarantee that
the oil will flow from the field to the refineries to the tankers that
will take it to the U.S.A., despite the fact that a few rag-tag
terrorists in Irak seem to be able to blow up the pipe-lines there
more or less at will.

---
What invading and occupying a country will do is not guarantee that the
oil from its fields will flow into the US, it guarantees that the income
derived from those fields will not continue to flow into the coffers of
Saddam Hussein and his ilk. You _can_ rest assured about one thing
however, and that is that we _will_ get the oil. We'll buy it, of
course, (like we always do) after we stabilize the country and take out
that rag-tag band of envious troublemakers you so admire, and then
you'll be able to bitch about how unfair it is that we made Iraq rich
instead of sharing the spoils of war with amchair admirals like you.

I was rather fancying myself as an armchair diplomat, until the
reality check cut in.

I'm glad to think that you are going to buy Irak's oil - it shows a
deep-down honesty that reflects well on your character.

We don't really have to buy Iraq's oil, but it is the US style of

doing things.

The current devaluation of the dollar reflects this inconvenient
fact.

The current devaluation of the dollar is the best thing that could

happen for the US (and the worst that could happen for Europe.)

Saddam had takien to selling his oil for euros before you invaded -

The ethical problem that you apparently have: the oil wasn't Saddam's

to give away. It was pretty much owned by the Iraqi people/government.
This is where the lefties tend to convieniently ignore the evils
of the despots that they love.

It is the usurpers like Chiraq's (sic) France that were essentially
funding Saddam (and his dictatorship) by paying HIM the money for
the oil. At least, the money will be better directed (away
from those who you obviously support.)

John