Interesting Letter-to-the-Editor

[R. Steve Walz]

John S. Dyson wrote:

In article <qfo9svkaagbn0o0c82o27a5stsm39m9j7l@4ax.com>,
Jim Thompson <invalid@invalid.invalid> writes:
Interesting Letter-to-the-Editor:

http://www.analog-innovations.com/Musings/LiberalRacists.pdf
-----------------------

Total lies. Racism *IS* a conservative(reactionary) position,
just as is their LYING!

Howard Dean is no "liberal", he's an amateur showboater.

Neither is Jessie Jackson a "liberal", he's a black baptist showboater.

Cruz Bustamante uses the word "negro", so saying that is the "N-word"
is totally and entirely deceptive, typical for reactionaries.

Reactionary blacks who are merely the public pets of repubs, such
as Condoleeza Rice and Colin Powell are not disliked for their
race but for their stupid doe-eyed political stupidity as rightist
dupes.

And I've never heard Dusty Baker described as a political pundit,
however conveninent it might be to these reactionary disingenuous
liars, who amazingly seem to think that lying is valid if no one
notices.

And reactionary rednecks are objectionable politically, that's not
racism.

And the notion that rightists aren't racist, just because they love
to hear about an EXTREMELY small number of rich who are minorities,
is stupid, because they justify it with some sort of genetic merit
that is the very HEART of the evil or racism!

Amongst a reasonably nice group of people,
------------

Meaning: Only at a self-serving rightist convention of the "right
people"

those racist claims
by the leftists would certainly cause raised eyebrows.
------------

and only if cued properly.

The
movement of the American left to encompass the most trashy
people (not just dissident), is only one minor indicator of
their loss of values and any reasonable ethical/moral guidance.
--------------------------------------

There are NO "trashy people" and NO "values" that are not anything
more than vicious classist, sexist, and racist slurs and prejudices!

Hopefully, the Democrats will clean up their act before they
ascend to greater political control of the nation.
--------------------

They won't have to, they simply have to wait for people to wake
up to your crap yet again.
Steve

 

[R. Steve Walz]

Baphomet wrote:

"Jim Thompson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:qfo9svkaagbn0o0c82o27a5stsm39m9j7l@4ax.com...
Interesting Letter-to-the-Editor:

http://www.analog-innovations.com/Musings/LiberalRacists.pdf

...Jim Thompson

It's funny that conservative / right of centrists always get the bum rap for
being for being quasi fascistic demagogues. Who, I ask you, are more
totalitarian and demagogic than the P.C. thought police, who are by and
large liberal / left of centrist?
---------------------------

What the right gets isn't a "bum rap", it's the Truth.
And the legend of PC was invented by rightists to pretend they
had something on their critics, and is entirely without merit,
because the only people who are PC ARE reactionaries! In other
words it's like a stupid third grader who yells back the same
names he is called, even when they obviously can't apply.
Steve

 

[R. Steve Walz]

Chris Carlen wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
Interesting Letter-to-the-Editor:

http://www.analog-innovations.com/Musings/LiberalRacists.pdf

...Jim Thompson

The "racism" by the left that is really of concern is much more subtle
and insidious than the article implies.
---------------------------

In other words you can't describe it clearly because your effort to
do so is confabulated.

I am convinced that the reason for the blockade by liberal minded folks
against non-white judges is due to the fact that they cannot risk
allowing successful minorities to get into positions of judicial power
where they can tell criminally charged minorities that the root cause of
their problems is not oppression by whites but their own personal
irresponsibility.
---------------------

No, there is no prejudice by the left against minorities being judges,
there is instead an effort of late by rightists to seed UNQualified and
highly unrepresentative minorities who are reactionaries into positions
to be nominated for federal judgeships so as to confound the public's
grasp of who is and who is not a reactionary racist when the public
sees horrible reactionary irrational trash coming off the federal
bench by a minority judge, not realizing that he or she is a bigot
and one of the few rare reactionary persons of color.

This affords the right the opportunity to then ClAIM, disingenuously,
since they knew full well what they had engineered, that the opposition
to them is due to racism, as theirs has LONG been to highly qualified
LIBERAL judges who UNDERSTAND constitutional law and whom Rightists
DON'T LIKE for that reason!

The very fact of successful minorities is the one that the people of
liberal views want to suppress in order to preserve their power base
which heavily depends upon pandering to those who want to blame others
for their failure rather than to work hard and earn success.
--------------------

People's positions in life are not "earned", they are accidental, based
on their luck of parentage and experiences, and how those factors shaped
them. And there IS NO SUCH THING as "Free Will", since no one can change
the tiniest thing they truly believe by some imagined act of whim or
"will". What they think comes from their background, their experiences,
and cannot be altered by them themselves.

I even
think they are trying to pull in normally successful minorities such as
Asians into their delusion. Note that it is never the case to hear it
mentioned in the media that Chinese and Japanese families earn more than
whites on average in the USA, though this fact was spelled out plainly
in a sociology text that I browsed a few years ago. But it doesn't fit
the plan so well, so it isn't spoken. Rather, all you hear is the
minorities=lower income than whites mantra repeated ad nauseum.
----------------------

No, this occured because of the WAY Asians came to the USA, with their
families languages, and culture entirely intact, and NOT
because of any imaginary genetic difference, and while blacks were
deprived of all those factors by slavery for 350 YEARS! Thus, such
a position or statement by Rightists is merely concealed anti-black
racism!

What is MORE amusing about Rightists is how they are unwilling to
cite genetics as a factor which should ever ENTITLE someone to
social assistance, but PERFECTLY willing to use it as an excuse
to unmercifully abuse them for profit because of their misfortune!!!

The fact is that these self-appointed "right people" wish to claim
literally ANYTHING THEY HAVE TO to be permitted to win the economic
game and beat anyone else at it, and not have to pay for the horrible
damage they do in taking advantage of that is done by providence to
the rest of us in any exploitative fashion they choose and then to
try to couch that as meritorious wealth earned by "hard work", when
actually the only hard work was OTHER PEOPLE'S!!

I don't really believe that most people with liberal politics are overt
racists in the sense of fitting the dictionary definition.
-------------

That's because you can't. On the other hand this is easy to show
regarding Rightists.

I believe
they want power,
---------------

Yes, we want the political power to END the abuse of the weak
by the strong! That means by Rightists!

and some of them are willing to try to hype an illusion
of a society pervaded by racism in order to get power.
----------------

It IS pervaded by racism, just look at where blacks live and what
they are paid, in toto, and what whites are paid!! Anyone with any
kind of conscience would WANT to gain power just to STOP THAT EVIL!!

Now Rightists obvious have NO conscience, because they can exploit
and abuse them and continue that systemic racism for PROFIT!! They
are vicious enough that they can try to justify this with the most
puerile arguments that have no logical basis, such as "winner take
all" and "finders-keepers" isn't just "takers/stealers" and that
contracts cannot somehow be illegitimately coerced by circumstances,
when they squeal to high heaven if it happened to them! Rightists
have selective morality, one that only applies to protect THEM from
being impoverished and enslaved, and not these "trashy people"
they are interminably worried about becoming.

Then again, I
think some conservatives are willing to engage in similar manipulations
in order to gain power.
--------------------------

Power=money to Rightists, to Leftists, power=justice!

Thus, I find most of what I see happening in politics disgusting, and it
repels me from wanting to participate. There is a dangerous
polarization into increasingly extreme liberal and conservative camps
taking place here in the USA, leaving us moderate folks high and dry.
-------------------------

You're just a Rightist, you just don't fathom where you are politically
yet. No one with a conscience could ever be other than a Leftist, and
anyone NOT a Leftist is one variety or another of Rightist bigot and
profiteer! THEY CANNOT BE OTHERWISE!

When we are no longer calling each other "people" but only "liberals"
and "conservatives" then we are in grave danger.

Good day!
--------------------

Yes, it's about time for revolution again!

P.S. I am *not* a liberal, conservative, independent, or any other sort
of political or ideological identity.
----------------

Liar.

I am a human, from a place called
Earth, that is all.
-------------------

Disingenuous liar!

-Steve
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[R. Steve Walz]

John S. Dyson wrote:

In article <bq5bma02pbb@enews4.newsguy.com>,
Chris Carlen <crobc@BOGUS_FIELD.earthlink.net> writes:

When we are no longer calling each other "people" but only "liberals"
and "conservatives" then we are in grave danger.

A most interesting item of note: Did you notice that when someone
has a reasonable, cogent, practical set of ideas, and advocates
some kind of 'independent' thought, that the lefties will call that
person any name EXCEPT liberal or leftist? In essense, the lefties
tend to trick themselves into calling honest/intelligent/successful
people ANYTHING except leftist?
---------------------------

That's because wealth is inherently DIShonest, and requires deception
of the self and others to try to justify it. No such can be Leftist
purely.

An anathema to most of the left and the far right is when ideas
are expressed that are 'reasonable' and respectful and truly
accepting of different cultural ideas.
-----------------------------

The crimes of the wealthy are criminal, not a cultural difference.

The leftists do tend to
wish to expunge all ideas except for their own narrow minded
views of reality.
--------------------------

He means we're intolerant of the crime that is wealth.

The far-right is similar in some ways, but
luckily they have little control over the prominent educational
establishment or significant editorial control in the general
mainstream media.
-------------------------

They're SO ignorant and irrational that NO one believes them.

Oh so horribly, the left does have too much
influence in those critical constituents of freedom -- and
the left works aggressively to suppress alternative ideas.
-------------------------

Again he tries to justify the crime of wealth as just some
"new idea", sort of like being mugged by phony intellectuals.

(A perfect and simple example is the aggressive suppression of
speeches by right-wing (not just far-right-wing advocates.)
-------------------------------

Suppressing ideas that are lies is everybody's business.
Ideas that intentionally deceive are a form of lying,
to whit, fraud.

In actuality, you'll find the right-wing (non-far-right) to be
much more tolerant and liberal than most of the left wing (in
the US.)
-------------------------

Criminals have to tolerate each other's perversions to get along,
even though there is no real honor among thieves, even rich thieves,
because their goal is not justice and truth, but their own wealth,
no matter how they have to acquire it.

So, the terminology: liberal, isn't really an accurate
description of the American left. The American left tends towards
reactionary, intolerant/doctorinare and narrow-minded conservative.
---------------------------------------

Nope, reactionary is a return to the past, and I ask you, what past??
And yes, people who don't wish to be robbed, stolen-from, are rather
intolerant and doctrinaire about their opposition to the thefts by
the rich, thefts of labor and of property.

If you look at 'Archie Bunker', but insert leftist ideas into his
mind -- you'll find the typical leftist like Slow-man nowadays.

John
-----------------------------

Nobody has ever been able to make a Leftist look like a bigot, or
even look ignorant, it's not even possible, which explains why TV
can't even do it. All education is invariably Liberalizing, and
results in those who are exposed to it becoming much more Left-Liberal
in virtually every case, because Rightists aren't interested in the
Truth or Justice, but in the God Mammon, Money!!

No wonder Righntism doesn't make any sense except to a conscience-less
inveterate shopper or spoiled rich vacationer.

-Steve
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[Jim Thompson]

On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 00:54:34 GMT, "Tom Del Rosso"
<tdnews01@att.net.invalid> wrote:

In news:m85dsvsf7q1m0o8gid0iiufsdhsfmgjenu@4ax.com,
Jim Thompson typed:

I'm for John Locke and John Stuart Mill ;-)

And Kant isn't bad either.

Never liked Kant... perhaps his writing style.

...Jim Thompson
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[Chris Carlen]

R. Steve Walz wrote:

Chris Carlen wrote:
You're just a Rightist, you just don't fathom where you are politically
yet. No one with a conscience could ever be other than a Leftist, and
anyone NOT a Leftist is one variety or another of Rightist bigot and
profiteer! THEY CANNOT BE OTHERWISE!

I know exactly where I am politically, and that is nowhere. That is
also where I will remain. If I defend a conservative view, I will do so
from the outside. If I defend a liberal view, I will do so from the
outside. If I criticize or defend both at the same time, I will do so
from the outside. I will remain always on the outside.

You are filled with the desire to kill and obliterate those "rightists"
as evidenced clearly by the years of vitriolic posts that I have read of
you expressing explicitly your wish to kill them, and you simultaneously
imply that you are one with a conscience because you are a leftist?

What you really are is simply ignorant and insane.

Don't go trying to stick identities in my mind, because you haven't a
clue where I'm coming from.

Yes, it's about time for revolution again!

You're true ambition is to become exactly like the "inner party" members
of Orwell's 1984. You don't fool me.

P.S. I am *not* a liberal, conservative, independent, or any other sort
of political or ideological identity.

----------------
Liar.

Oh?

I am a human, from a place called
Earth, that is all.

-------------------
Disingenuous liar!

-Steve

Well in that case, would you care to tell me what I am if not human, and
where I could possibly be from other than Earth?



--
_____________________
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crobc@earthlink.net
Suse 8.1 Linux 2.4.19

 

[Ban]

Jim Thompson wrote:
|||| I'm for John Locke and John Stuart Mill ;-)
|||
||| And Kant isn't bad either.
||
|| Never liked Kant... perhaps his writing style.

Me neither, love Socrates, Buddha, Gurdijeff

--
ciao Ban
Bordighera, Italy
electronic hardware designer

 

[Chris Carlen]

Ban wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
|||| I'm for John Locke and John Stuart Mill ;-)
|||
||| And Kant isn't bad either.
||
|| Never liked Kant... perhaps his writing style.

Me neither, love Socrates, Buddha, Gurdijeff

But the Buddha wasn't really a philosopher in the rational sense.


Good day!



--
_____________________
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crobc@earthlink.net
Suse 8.1 Linux 2.4.19

 

[Chris Carlen]

John S. Dyson wrote:

In article <bq832t02oq2@enews2.newsguy.com>,
Chris Carlen <crobc@BOGUS_FIELD.earthlink.net> writes:

R. Steve Walz wrote:

Chris Carlen wrote:
You're just a Rightist, you just don't fathom where you are politically
yet. No one with a conscience could ever be other than a Leftist, and
anyone NOT a Leftist is one variety or another of Rightist bigot and
profiteer! THEY CANNOT BE OTHERWISE!

I know exactly where I am politically, and that is nowhere. That is
also where I will remain. If I defend a conservative view, I will do so
from the outside. If I defend a liberal view, I will do so from the
outside. If I criticize or defend both at the same time, I will do so
from the outside. I will remain always on the outside.

You are filled with the desire to kill and obliterate those "rightists"
as evidenced clearly by the years of vitriolic posts that I have read of
you expressing explicitly your wish to kill them, and you simultaneously
imply that you are one with a conscience because you are a leftist?

What you really are is simply ignorant and insane.


The fact that people like Walz and Slowman hate even the radical
centrists (not just right wing biased people) does indicate their
narrow minded and doctorinare viewpoint. The left and far left
activists are just as hateful and narrow minded as the far right
wing.

Just because someone accepts and adopts an individual right wing
left wing idea, it doesn't make them a narrow minded person. It
is those who wish to see the total destruction of the right or
left (e.g. those like the abortionist killers or our resident
lefties like Walz and Slowman) who create so much division.

It is VERY IMPORTANT to point out the leftist hate mongers as
being the close kin of the right-wing wakkos (same mentality
but different ideas.)

John

Wow! Very nicely said.

That is why I made a point of not taking on these political viewpoints
as *identities*, which is what seems to be increasingly so much the
case, and has always been the case with religious views.


Good day!


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_____________________
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crobc@earthlink.net
Suse 8.1 Linux 2.4.19

 

[Frank Bemelman]

"Chris Carlen" <crobc@BOGUS_FIELD.earthlink.net> schreef in bericht
news:bq8e2r03197@enews4.newsguy.com...

[snip]

Wow! Very nicely said.

That is why I made a point of not taking on these political viewpoints
as *identities*, which is what seems to be increasingly so much the
case, and has always been the case with religious views.

Too late Chris, you're up to your neck in it now Labelled and
tagged!

--
Thanks, Frank.
(remove 'x' and 'invalid' when replying by email)

 

[John S. Dyson]

In article <bq832t02oq2@enews2.newsguy.com>,
Chris Carlen <crobc@BOGUS_FIELD.earthlink.net> writes:

R. Steve Walz wrote:
Chris Carlen wrote:
You're just a Rightist, you just don't fathom where you are politically
yet. No one with a conscience could ever be other than a Leftist, and
anyone NOT a Leftist is one variety or another of Rightist bigot and
profiteer! THEY CANNOT BE OTHERWISE!

I know exactly where I am politically, and that is nowhere. That is
also where I will remain. If I defend a conservative view, I will do so
from the outside. If I defend a liberal view, I will do so from the
outside. If I criticize or defend both at the same time, I will do so
from the outside. I will remain always on the outside.

You are filled with the desire to kill and obliterate those "rightists"
as evidenced clearly by the years of vitriolic posts that I have read of
you expressing explicitly your wish to kill them, and you simultaneously
imply that you are one with a conscience because you are a leftist?

What you really are is simply ignorant and insane.

The fact that people like Walz and Slowman hate even the radical

centrists (not just right wing biased people) does indicate their
narrow minded and doctorinare viewpoint. The left and far left
activists are just as hateful and narrow minded as the far right
wing.

Just because someone accepts and adopts an individual right wing
left wing idea, it doesn't make them a narrow minded person. It
is those who wish to see the total destruction of the right or
left (e.g. those like the abortionist killers or our resident
lefties like Walz and Slowman) who create so much division.

It is VERY IMPORTANT to point out the leftist hate mongers as
being the close kin of the right-wing wakkos (same mentality
but different ideas.)

John

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Frank Bemelman wrote:

"Chris Carlen" <crobc@BOGUS_FIELD.earthlink.net> schreef in bericht
news:bq8e2r03197@enews4.newsguy.com...

[snip]

Wow! Very nicely said.

That is why I made a point of not taking on these political viewpoints
as *identities*, which is what seems to be increasingly so much the
case, and has always been the case with religious views.

Too late Chris, you're up to your neck in it now Labelled and
tagged!

--
Thanks, Frank.

Its luck for Chris that this is a "Tag and release" newsgroup! ;-)

--
I say, the boy is so stupid that he tried to make a back up copy of his
hard drive on the Xerox machine!

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Central Florida

 

[Chris Carlen]

Frank Bemelman wrote:

"Chris Carlen" <crobc@BOGUS_FIELD.earthlink.net> schreef in bericht
news:bq8e2r03197@enews4.newsguy.com...

[snip]


Wow! Very nicely said.

That is why I made a point of not taking on these political viewpoints
as *identities*, which is what seems to be increasingly so much the
case, and has always been the case with religious views.


Too late Chris, you're up to your neck in it now Labelled and
tagged!

Greetings Frank! Happy holidays!



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_____________________
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crobc@earthlink.net
Suse 8.1 Linux 2.4.19

 

[Larry Gipson]

On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 08:14:09 -0000, "Kevin Aylward"
<kevindotaylwardEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk> wrote:

Larry Gipson wrote:
Perhaps this is closer to engineering.

It seems that institutional racism is in full swing in education. If
we were turning out way more engineers and scientists than we need,

We are.

I'd believe the Ed folks were on to something. Since the opposite is
true,

Nonsense. Complete fantasy. Have you not read Win's post in
sci.electronics.design on the continual slide of the tech industry. 1/2
million job losses? What part of the 10000's and 10000's of layoffs by
all the big tech companies are you missing?

Read my lips. THERE IS NO SHORTAGE OF ENGINEERS.

With the risk of creating a thread within a thread . . .

It's too bad the US congress hasn't figured this out then. Otherwise
would we be importing hundreds of thousands from India?

If you visit the colleges of engineering in the US you will notice a
huge number of people from other countries. This is no accident. The
k-12 system here is in deep trouble.

A few years ago there was an international assesment calle the Third
International Mathematics and Science Study (or TIMMS). The US was
28th out of 41 countries, putting us at third world status. There is
also a yearly assessment in the US called the National Assessment of
Education Progress (or NAEP). California, where I live, is last in
reading and next to last in mathematics of the 31 or so states tested.
The two tests give a fair idea of where our educational system is in
this state. The top 3 countries on the TIMMS, btw, were Singapore,
Japan, and I believe Taiwan.

I'll argue that there is a shortage of engineers despite the layoffs.

The international economy is not in good shape. Proof of this can be
found in the price of gold. It simply doesn't reach $400 an ounce
when things are good. Companies have to lay of underperforming people
in this environment. The unfortunate part of this cycle is they don't
start with management, but that's another story.

The truth is that there was a huge increase in engineering salaries in
the 70's and 80's. I liked this, of course, as did we all. It didn't
occur because there were too many engineers at the time. Engineering
was really in bad shape through the 60's and early 70's so few people
went into the field. This led to the shortage when things turned
around.

In this economy, companies have discovered a pool of engineers in
India, many of whom are highly capable and make less that $10k per
year. Gee. If I were a company and could get the same labor at
1/10th the cost, what would I do? Since companies now have no loyalty
to individual countries and think of themselves as "citizens of the
world", there is every pressure to utilize these cheap resources. The
result is and will continue to be more layoffs until the salaries
equalize or until there is some other value-added reason to stay in
the G-8 countries.

My experience is that very few people trained as engineers actually
can do design. After you teach all there is to teach, someone gives
you a spec and you stare at a blank sheet of paper. At that point
it's more of an art form. Some survive for thirty years doing detail
design; most don't. We have to train a lot to get a few.

There is also a substantial lead time to train these people and an
unbelievable inertia in the education system to realize that what
they're doing isn't working. The goal of "education for all" now
prevalent is very noble and worthwhile. Dictating outcomes such that
no one knows any more than anyone else can only throttle us to the
lowest common denominator. (Outcomes Based Education)

We won't have a tech industry in the states if this is allowed to
continue.

Regards,
Larry

 

[R. Steve Walz]

Chris Carlen wrote:

R. Steve Walz wrote:
Chris Carlen wrote:
You're just a Rightist, you just don't fathom where you are politically
yet. No one with a conscience could ever be other than a Leftist, and
anyone NOT a Leftist is one variety or another of Rightist bigot and
profiteer! THEY CANNOT BE OTHERWISE!

I know exactly where I am politically, and that is nowhere. That is
also where I will remain. If I defend a conservative view, I will do so
from the outside. If I defend a liberal view, I will do so from the
outside. If I criticize or defend both at the same time, I will do so
from the outside. I will remain always on the outside.
----------------

Meaningless posture. What you support, you are in the midst of.

You are filled with the desire to kill and obliterate those "rightists"
as evidenced clearly by the years of vitriolic posts that I have read of
you expressing explicitly your wish to kill them, and you simultaneously
imply that you are one with a conscience because you are a leftist?
----------------------------

In that Rightists are wannbe enslavers and thieves, there is nothing
wrong with killing them.

What you really are is simply ignorant and insane.
---------------------

And is the man resisting being enslaved and robbed also "insane"?
What an insipid effort to defelct blame from your crimes!

Don't go trying to stick identities in my mind, because you haven't a
clue where I'm coming from.
-----------------------

Ewww, now you're afraid I might gain control of your MIND!
You must not have a very good hold on it!

Yes, it's about time for revolution again!

You're true ambition is to become exactly like the "inner party" members
of Orwell's 1984. You don't fool me.
-----------------------------

Nonsense, nothing REAL has ever been remotely like ANY of the several
mewling anti-utopian novelists have posited!

P.S. I am *not* a liberal, conservative, independent, or any other sort
of political or ideological identity.

----------------
Liar.

Oh?
--------------------

Precisely.

I am a human, from a place called
Earth, that is all.
-------------------
Disingenuous liar!

-Steve

Well in that case, would you care to tell me what I am if not human, and
where I could possibly be from other than Earth?
--------------------------

"is all" !!
Your pretense to innocence despite defending criminality is obtuse!

-Steve
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[R. Steve Walz]

John S. Dyson wrote:

In article <bq832t02oq2@enews2.newsguy.com>,
Chris Carlen <crobc@BOGUS_FIELD.earthlink.net> writes:
R. Steve Walz wrote:
Chris Carlen wrote:
You're just a Rightist, you just don't fathom where you are politically
yet. No one with a conscience could ever be other than a Leftist, and
anyone NOT a Leftist is one variety or another of Rightist bigot and
profiteer! THEY CANNOT BE OTHERWISE!

I know exactly where I am politically, and that is nowhere. That is
also where I will remain. If I defend a conservative view, I will do so
from the outside. If I defend a liberal view, I will do so from the
outside. If I criticize or defend both at the same time, I will do so
from the outside. I will remain always on the outside.

You are filled with the desire to kill and obliterate those "rightists"
as evidenced clearly by the years of vitriolic posts that I have read of
you expressing explicitly your wish to kill them, and you simultaneously
imply that you are one with a conscience because you are a leftist?

What you really are is simply ignorant and insane.
-----------------------------

Nope, we want to see an end to robbery and enslavement of people
by a cadre of organized criminals.

The fact that people like Walz and Slowman hate even the radical
centrists (not just right wing biased people) does indicate their
narrow minded and doctorinare viewpoint.
------------------------

I hate those who tolerate thieving criminality and enslavement by
the Rightists, because there actually is NO such thing as Rightism,
it was merely invented to pretend and characterize robbery and
enslavement as a political position, when IT IS NOT, it represents
merely the desire to destroy Majority Democracy and OWN the rest
of us, so they can use us as slaves so that THEY don't have to WORK!
It is NOT actually ANY viable political "persuasion", it is merely a
holding action against clarity and reason!

The left and far left
activists are just as hateful and narrow minded as the far right
wing.
------------------------

Just because we don't want people to be robbed and enslaved by the
bullies.

Just because someone accepts and adopts an individual right wing
left wing idea, it doesn't make them a narrow minded person.
-----------------

Which assertion says precisely this:

'Just because someone accepts the right of the 'nobility' to
enslave people and steal from people, that somehow still
doesn't make them feudalists!!' -- which is TOTAL nonsense!

It
is those who wish to see the total destruction of the right or
left (e.g. those like the abortionist killers or our resident
lefties like Walz and Slowman) who create so much division.
--------------------------------

The "abortionist killers" were JUST killers, since fetuses are
NOT people, and doctors ARE! When someone is WRONG, they're WRONG!
When they kill to defend WRONG, you KILL them!

It is VERY IMPORTANT to point out the leftist hate mongers as
being the close kin of the right-wing wakkos (same mentality
but different ideas.)
John
------------------

A lie that thieves always want to propagate, that their prosecutors
are actually just "persecutors" who are really just as bad as THEY
are, as a way (illegitimately) to justify themselves! It reminds me
of Al Capone, who said: "The cops are just as bad as we are, they
shoot people with guns too!"

-Steve
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[R. Steve Walz]

Chris Carlen wrote:

John S. Dyson wrote:
In article <bq832t02oq2@enews2.newsguy.com>,
Chris Carlen <crobc@BOGUS_FIELD.earthlink.net> writes:

R. Steve Walz wrote:

Chris Carlen wrote:
You're just a Rightist, you just don't fathom where you are politically
yet. No one with a conscience could ever be other than a Leftist, and
anyone NOT a Leftist is one variety or another of Rightist bigot and
profiteer! THEY CANNOT BE OTHERWISE!

I know exactly where I am politically, and that is nowhere. That is
also where I will remain. If I defend a conservative view, I will do so
from the outside. If I defend a liberal view, I will do so from the
outside. If I criticize or defend both at the same time, I will do so
from the outside. I will remain always on the outside.

You are filled with the desire to kill and obliterate those "rightists"
as evidenced clearly by the years of vitriolic posts that I have read of
you expressing explicitly your wish to kill them, and you simultaneously
imply that you are one with a conscience because you are a leftist?

What you really are is simply ignorant and insane.


The fact that people like Walz and Slowman hate even the radical
centrists (not just right wing biased people) does indicate their
narrow minded and doctorinare viewpoint. The left and far left
activists are just as hateful and narrow minded as the far right
wing.

Just because someone accepts and adopts an individual right wing
left wing idea, it doesn't make them a narrow minded person. It
is those who wish to see the total destruction of the right or
left (e.g. those like the abortionist killers or our resident
lefties like Walz and Slowman) who create so much division.

It is VERY IMPORTANT to point out the leftist hate mongers as
being the close kin of the right-wing wakkos (same mentality
but different ideas.)

John

Wow! Very nicely said.

That is why I made a point of not taking on these political viewpoints
as *identities*, which is what seems to be increasingly so much the
case, and has always been the case with religious views.
-----------------------

It's nothing like a religion at all, it is obvious that everyone
deserves and inherits an equal right to the world from our common
ancestors to that of anyone else's, and this means that claiming
that you own their home and forcing them to work for you to keep it,
and pay you half your wage to do so is THEFT AND SLAVERY! They must
organize as a Majority and refuse to pay rent and then take over
government to threaten landlords that collecting rent is now made
a death-penalty crime of enslavement, and they can be killed for
trying to do so. In addition, the Majority must finally do away
with unequal pay for any workers, and to reclaim ALL property to
their control, since the Majority DOES control the world, and then
ceded it to individuals as home compounds from which they can NEVER
be evicted, since eviction is a fate that should never be inflicted
upon ANYONE EVER!

-Steve
--
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Electronics Site!! 1000's of Files and Dirs!! With Schematics Galore!!
http://www.armory.com/~rstevew or http://www.armory.com/~rstevew/Public

 

[Kevin Aylward]

Larry Gipson wrote:

On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 08:14:09 -0000, "Kevin Aylward"
kevindotaylwardEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk> wrote:

Larry Gipson wrote:
Perhaps this is closer to engineering.

It seems that institutional racism is in full swing in education.
If we were turning out way more engineers and scientists than we
need,

We are.

I'd believe the Ed folks were on to something. Since the opposite
is true,

Nonsense. Complete fantasy. Have you not read Win's post in
sci.electronics.design on the continual slide of the tech industry.
1/2 million job losses? What part of the 10000's and 10000's of
layoffs by all the big tech companies are you missing?

Read my lips. THERE IS NO SHORTAGE OF ENGINEERS.

With the risk of creating a thread within a thread . . .

Probably.

It's too bad the US congress hasn't figured this out then. Otherwise
would we be importing hundreds of thousands from India?

Yes. They work for less money and cause the average salaries to fall, so
companies want them. Companies pay for the politicians political
campaigns so politicians do what the companies tell them to do. They
then tell lies to the voters.

Where were you in politics 101?

Unfortunately the economy got so bad, that they couldn't support the
lies any longer, that's why the 190,000 cap to visas was allowed to fall
back to 65,000.

If you visit the colleges of engineering in the US you will notice a
huge number of people from other countries. This is no accident. The
k-12 system here is in deep trouble.

Rubbish. Education has never been so good in the west. Go back to 100
years ago, 200 years ago. Get real dude. You try going to Africa to get
an education.

A few years ago there was an international assesment calle the Third
International Mathematics and Science Study (or TIMMS). The US was
28th out of 41 countries, putting us at third world status.

And your point to be? Look, rich nations get 12 years of good schooling.
The 3rd world are living in mud huts. The fact that a few have trouble
with advanced calculus is irrelevant.

There is
also a yearly assessment in the US called the National Assessment of
Education Progress (or NAEP). California, where I live, is last in
reading and next to last in mathematics of the 31 or so states tested.
The two tests give a fair idea of where our educational system is in
this state. The top 3 countries on the TIMMS, btw, were Singapore,
Japan, and I believe Taiwan.

And your point would be? 1.2 Billion live on less than $1 per day, and
your complaining because a few fail some exams?

I'll argue that there is a shortage of engineers despite the layoffs.

Its a dreadful argument.

The international economy is not in good shape. Proof of this can be
found in the price of gold. It simply doesn't reach $400 an ounce
when things are good. Companies have to lay of underperforming people
in this environment.

Care to present real evidence supporting this daft claim?

Convenient fiction and pure fantasy. What about the people getting paid
more than their boss? What about the people getting paid more than 5
year experienced people? What about the people who have disagreements
with their boss? What about the people who are competing for their
bosses job? What about the people who brown nose their bosses arse?.
This is the real world.

99% of all engineering can be done by 5 year experienced people. This is
called "wage" discrimination, but usually refered to as "age"
discrimination.

The unfortunate part of this cycle is they don't
start with management, but that's another story.

The truth is that there was a huge increase in engineering salaries in
the 70's and 80's. I liked this, of course, as did we all. It didn't
occur because there were too many engineers at the time. Engineering
was really in bad shape through the 60's and early 70's so few people
went into the field. This led to the shortage when things turned
around.

THERE IS NO F'ING SHORTAGE. There are 10,000's of competent people out
there with no jobs. There is of cause, a shortage of engineers willing
to work for $10,000.

My experience is that very few people trained as engineers actually
can do design. After you teach all there is to teach, someone gives
you a spec and you stare at a blank sheet of paper. At that point
it's more of an art form. Some survive for thirty years doing detail
design; most don't. We have to train a lot to get a few.

So what. 99% of design is not real design, it same shit, different day,
so we don't need real designers.

Sorry, mate there are 10,000's of products out there actually being sold
and making *profit* despite the fact that may have been done by "poor"
designers. These are the facts. We simply don't need 1 million
Einstein's. For example, essentially all major configurations of
transistor circuitry was invented 30 years ago.

There is also a substantial lead time to train these people and an
unbelievable inertia in the education system to realize that what
they're doing isn't working.

Since the high tech lossed 500,000 workers in the last few years, what
they were doing was ok, apart from the lack of plumbers.

The goal of "education for all" now
prevalent is very noble and worthwhile. Dictating outcomes such that
no one knows any more than anyone else can only throttle us to the
lowest common denominator. (Outcomes Based Education)

We need more plumbers not EE's. This is plain to anyone who has ever
tried to get a plumber. Over here in the uk, its like a 100:1 ratio for
applicants to course places.

Kevin Aylward
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"Understanding" itself requires consciousness,
therefore consciousness cannot be "understood"
without referring to itself for the explanation,
therefore the "hard problem" of consciousness,
is intrinsically unsolvable as it is self referral.

 

[Bill Sloman]

toor@iquest.net (John S. Dyson) wrote in message news:<bq5v3e$12cp$1@news.iquest.net>...

In article <bq5bma02pbb@enews4.newsguy.com>,
Chris Carlen <crobc@BOGUS_FIELD.earthlink.net> writes:

Thus, I find most of what I see happening in politics disgusting, and it
repels me from wanting to participate. There is a dangerous
polarization into increasingly extreme liberal and conservative camps
taking place here in the USA, leaving us moderate folks high and dry.
When we are no longer calling each other "people" but only "liberals"
and "conservatives" then we are in grave danger.

<snipped another Dyson love-letter to himself>

If you look at 'Archie Bunker', but insert leftist ideas into his
mind -- you'll find the typical leftist like Slow-man nowadays.

Archie Bunker is an Americanised version of Alf Garnett - caricature
of a reactionary (and very ill-informed) British right-winger invented
by Johnny Speight

http://www.museum.tv/archives/etv/S/htmlS/speightjohn/speightjohn.htm

If you'd inserted leftist ideas into his mind - in word, educated him
- he'd have ceased to have been a useful caricature, as has already
been pointed out in this thread by RSW.

If one could educate John S. Dyson, he too would probably become what
he now describes as a typical leftist, but this does not a appear to
be a testable hypothesis - the man (to give him the benefit of the
doubt) doesn't seem to have the capacity to rise above his current
ill-informed condition.

This might be due to stupidity - nothing he has written seems to rule
this out - or it might be due to a particularly insidious form of
brain washing, where everything that conflicts with his bizarre
world-view is rejected as left-wing propaganda.

This does impair hs powers of discrimination, to the point where he
sees me as a "typical" left-winger, which would have rather upset the
real left-wingers of my acquaintance.

------
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen