In Europe: The great CFL rip-off.

[David L. Jones]

Phil Allison wrote:

"David L. Jones"
Phil Allison wrote:
"Trevor Wilson"


**We have known for a long time that coal fired power stations are
an appalling way to generate electricity.


** Only in the demented minds of insane greenies.

So that is the group TW's royal use of "We" refers to.

What an UTTER FUCKWIT !!


I think "appalling" is a pretty apt description actually.


** There is nothing " appalling " in the way ELECTRICITY is
generated.

Generating the electricity from coal includes all the mining and other
aspects.
So it is certainly is an appalling way to generate electricity.
If you can't see that then your conscience must be made of coal...

** There is a huge difference between "ain't nice " and the emotional
crap TW wrote above.

The "nice" ways ( ie hydro, wind etc) are simply not economically
viable or even possible for most of the world.

Different issue.
The only good thing about generating electricity from coal is that it's
currently cheap on the mass scale required due to our gluttoness wasteful
society. Still doesn't make it less appalling.

Wherever hydro power can be generated - it has been as in Tasmania
and NZ.

BTW, hydro ain't "nice" either, the effect of damming is pretty darn
appalling too, massively so actually. But once it's dammed and the "damage
is done", it does have that rather nice warm and fuzzy feeling. And those
artificial lakes look really attractive too.

They only viable alternative to coal in most places is nuclear.

Now that IS an APPALLING way to go.

Agreed.
If it wasn't for that pesky waste, risk of accident, and the water usage, it
would be pretty terrific though.

Dave.

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[terryc]

On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 15:32:20 +1000, David L. Jones wrote:

Generating the electricity from coal includes all the mining and other
aspects.
So it is certainly is an appalling way to generate electricity. If you
can't see that then your conscience must be made of coal...

Or you live in Sydney. I think all the coal for sydney's electricty
should be mined from the seams underneath it.

The appalling effect is that one day, it would all collapse, drowning the
people and leaving an enormous harbour of great economic benefit to the
east coast.


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[Mr.T]

"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
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Never had to replace a CFL.

Half your luck!! I replace them about as often as incandescent. Mirrabella
seem particularly bad IME. I even have a brand new Phillips that never
worked from day one.

MrT.

 

[Sylvia Else]

Trevor Wilson wrote:

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terryc wrote:
On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 13:26:32 +1000, Sylvia Else wrote:


you asinine autistic bitch.
I don't see the relevance of that.
I think he is trying to chat you up.

Could be - he's not insulting me as much as usual.

**That's because I'm here.


He's frightened of you?

Sylvia.

 

[GeoffC]

I think "appalling" is a pretty apt description actually.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_effects_of_coal
You don't have to be any sort of greenie to see that coal
mining ain't a nice way to generate electricity.

Dave.

The voting population demands cheap electricity though, and nuke
is still too dangerous.

 

[Trevor Wilson]

"Mr.T" <MrT@home> wrote in message
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"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
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Never had to replace a CFL.

Half your luck!! I replace them about as often as incandescent.
Mirrabella
seem particularly bad IME. I even have a brand new Phillips that never
worked from day one.

**Mirrabella stuff is the worst crap I've ever seen. I've never had a
Philips CFL failure.


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[Phil Allison]

"Trevor Wilson"

The "nice" ways ( ie hydro, wind etc) are simply not economically viable
or even possible for most of the world.

**Bollocks.

** Go drop dead - you LYING TURD

That method is geo-thermal.

** Insane bollocks.

**Short lived and stupid.

** TW is mind numbingly STUPID.

The shorter he lives - the better.

 

[Trevor Wilson]

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Trevor Wilson wrote:
"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote in message
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terryc wrote:
On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 13:26:32 +1000, Sylvia Else wrote:


you asinine autistic bitch.
I don't see the relevance of that.
I think he is trying to chat you up.

Could be - he's not insulting me as much as usual.

**That's because I'm here.


He's frightened of you?

**He'll say that he's not. I don't much care either way. Some time ago, I
adopted a policy of ignoring posters who used profane and insulting
language. I don't plonk them. I just ignore that specific post. It doesn't
seem to do much, but my blood pressure is the better for it. So, it's a win
for me and that's all that matters.


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[Sylvia Else]

Trevor Wilson wrote:

"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote in message
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Trevor Wilson wrote:
"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote in message
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terryc wrote:
On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 13:26:32 +1000, Sylvia Else wrote:


you asinine autistic bitch.
I don't see the relevance of that.
I think he is trying to chat you up.

Could be - he's not insulting me as much as usual.
**That's because I'm here.


He's frightened of you?

**He'll say that he's not. I don't much care either way. Some time ago, I
adopted a policy of ignoring posters who used profane and insulting
language. I don't plonk them. I just ignore that specific post. It doesn't
seem to do much, but my blood pressure is the better for it. So, it's a win
for me and that's all that matters.

I sometimes suggest (not to Phil, because I know he's not responsible
for his actions) that the poster try again, leaving out the abuse, and
then I'll respond to the substance of their posting.

Seems to annoy the hell out of them

Sylvia.

 

[Phil Allison]

"David L. Jones"

**We have known for a long time that coal fired power stations are
an appalling way to generate electricity.


** Only in the demented minds of insane greenies.

So that is the group TW's royal use of "We" refers to.

What an UTTER FUCKWIT !!


I think "appalling" is a pretty apt description actually.


** There is nothing " appalling " in the way ELECTRICITY is
generated.

Generating the electricity from coal includes all the mining and other
aspects.

So it is certainly is an appalling way to generate electricity.

** No it is not.

That is just another INSANE paranoid greenie perspective.

** There is a huge difference between "ain't nice " and the emotional
crap TW wrote above.

The "nice" ways ( ie hydro, wind etc) are simply not economically
viable or even possible for most of the world.

Different issue.

** No - it IS the issue.

The emotional and FALSE use of the word "appalling" is the issue.

Wherever hydro power can be generated - it has been as in Tasmania
and NZ.

BTW, hydro ain't "nice" either,

** More insane, greenie FUCK WITTERY

They only viable alternative to coal in most places is nuclear.

Now that IS an APPALLING way to go.

Agreed.

** So the DLJ fuckwit says ALL methods are " appalling" .

Wot an asinine fuckhead !!!

If it wasn't for that pesky waste, risk of accident, and the water usage,
it would be pretty terrific though.

** The asinine greenie fuckhead has missed the number one issue with nuke
power.

The one the really makes it APPALLING.




...... Phil

 

[Phil Allison]

"Trevor Wilson is an INSANE LAIR "

**Mirrabella stuff is the worst crap I've ever seen. I've never had a
Philips CFL failure.

** Wot TW says he has NOT seen is non-evidence.

Only fuckwit autistic morons use their ignorance as proof.



..... Phil

 

[Mr.T]

"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
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**Mirrabella stuff is the worst crap I've ever seen.

No argument there, but there are many almost as bad.

I've never had a Philips CFL failure.

Once again, lucky you!
Just wait a bit longer, you will

MrT.

 

[Phil Allison]

"Mr.T"

"Trevor Wilson the LIAR "

**Mirrabella stuff is the worst crap I've ever seen.

No argument there, but there are many almost as bad.

I've never had a Philips CFL failure.

Once again, lucky you!

** TW is a congenital LIAR !!

Same man who brought us the ME amplifier scam for 30 years.

TW will never ACTUALLY tell you what the FUCK he is crapping on about
unless you have a gun held to his fat head.

Just wait a bit longer, you will

** What TW claims with no proof is IRRELEVANT !!!

Most Philips branded CFLs on sale in * SUPERMARKETS* over the last 10 years
are the EXACT SAME Chinese made shit that has given all CFLs a bad name.

50 % of them do not last more than 1000 hours.

Take a peek inside one and the reasons are obvious to any competent
electronics engineer.



...... Phil

 

[Polyp]

"Mr.T" <MrT@home> wrote in message
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"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
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**Mirrabella stuff is the worst crap I've ever seen.

No argument there, but there are many almost as bad.

I've never had a Philips CFL failure.

Once again, lucky you!
Just wait a bit longer, you will

MrT.

Any experience with "Nelson" brand CFLs failing??

Had one fry the other night - arcing sounds, heat, smoke and accompanying
nasty smell from the purposeful looking vents on the base. A little
different to the "pink" noise when the filament goes in an incandescent.

 

[Trevor Wilson]

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Trevor Wilson wrote:
"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote in message
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Trevor Wilson wrote:
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terryc wrote:
On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 13:26:32 +1000, Sylvia Else wrote:


you asinine autistic bitch.
I don't see the relevance of that.
I think he is trying to chat you up.

Could be - he's not insulting me as much as usual.
**That's because I'm here.


He's frightened of you?

**He'll say that he's not. I don't much care either way. Some time ago, I
adopted a policy of ignoring posters who used profane and insulting
language. I don't plonk them. I just ignore that specific post. It
doesn't seem to do much, but my blood pressure is the better for it. So,
it's a win for me and that's all that matters.



I sometimes suggest (not to Phil, because I know he's not responsible for
his actions) that the poster try again, leaving out the abuse, and then
I'll respond to the substance of their posting.

**As a female, you will always be treated somewhat differently (for good or
bad) by most inhabitants.

Seems to annoy the hell out of them

**You may care to note the rising annoyance factor from John McNamara (aka:
John-Melb) who has been stalking me of late. I just allow him to prattle on
all by himself. Watching him self-destruct is both amusing and tragic all at
the same time. I worry about his charges though. John is a prison officer.


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www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[Trevor Wilson]

"Mr.T" <MrT@home> wrote in message
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"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
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**Mirrabella stuff is the worst crap I've ever seen.

No argument there, but there are many almost as bad.

I've never had a Philips CFL failure.

Once again, lucky you!
Just wait a bit longer, you will

**I'm pretty certain I will. My home is full of them. So far, however,
they've outlasted incandescents by a significant amount. I don't even want
to get into the (un)reliability of those 50 Watt halogens.


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[ian field]

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On 2/09/2009 2:43 AM, ian field wrote:
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David L. Jones wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
"ian field"<gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2009/08/31/euro-chiefs-dim-view-of-eco-bulbs-115875-21636908/
Talk about a storm in a teacup.

Exactly.

I now have them in every fitting that will take them.

Same here.

Having said all that, I agree that CFLs are far from perfect. LEDs,
when
they sort out the high power problems, should adress those
issues nicely.

Yep.
Until then I like my CFL's. Not perfect, but more than good enough for
me
to replace every light in my house with them.

Dave.

If you like them, fine, but for many lights, eg closets, bathrooms etc,
they just aren't used enough to make any real savings.

They're not saving me much - my living room has 2 light fittings and the
CFLs are so poor that I've had to fit both with 2 way adapters for a
total
of 4 CFLs to get adequate light over my desk.

One important point the greenie weenies failed to factor in, is a much
greater number of people leave at least one CFL on over night because
the
cost is less, I leave the kitchen on 24/7 and I know many people who
leave
the kitchen and stairway and/or the loo on overnight.


CFLs are an excellent example of tokenism. Governments pushing their use
love them because they can claim to be doing something for the
environment at zero cost.

**Not quite. I recall reading that domestic lighting in the UK accounts
for around 20% of electricity consumption. CFLs could make quite a dent in
that figure. Dunno what the figure in Australia, but it's probably not far
off. Having said all that, here are a bunch of random thoughts I've had
that could impact on power consumption more readily:

* Raise the cost of electricity. I mean REALLY raise the cost. Hit people
in the hip pocket and they will change their wasteful ways.
* Mandate that ALL air conditioners meet certain energy efficiency
targets.

That's a laugh! - they've banned the most efficient refrigerant.

 

[ian field]

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geoff wrote:

I like the bit that suggets that the CFLs will last 2, 3, 4,5 years.
Haven't had one last more than 8 months yet. BAse gets hot, smells very
plasticy, and die.

Some Philips CLFs I have quote a 6000 hour life, and claim that's
equivalent to 6 incandescents. However, some, albeit "long life"
incandescents I have quote a 2500 hour life. Philips are presumably
comparing with a very cheap incandescent.

6000 hour is about 4 years at 4 hours per day.

If your CFLs are only lasting 8 months at a similar level of usage, then
it's time to start keeping note, and getting refunds.

Any how many supermarket receipts for bulbs does one keep ?

Time to start?

Sylvia.

One trick I've found works well with incanscents is to wire a NTC inrush
limiting thermistor in the switch plate, you have to take some care over the
rating - salvaged thermistors from a scrap monitor rated between 60 - 80W
work well with a 100W bulb.

In the early days when CFLs were less reliable, I had incandescents
outlasting CFLs by a huge margin, the Philips one's I bought a while ago are
much more reliable, I have one incandescent running with an NTC thermistor
but the race isn't done yet.

 

[Phil Allison]

"ian field was probed by an alien " <gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com

One trick I've found works well with incanscents is to wire a NTC inrush
limiting thermistor in the switch plate, you have to take some care over
the rating - salvaged thermistors from a scrap monitor rated between 60 -
80W work well with a 100W bulb.

** Classic bullshit story.

The only increased in lifetime obtained is at the EXPENSE of light output
from the reduced running voltage.

Just use a resistor of 50 to 100 ohms an get even more life.



..... Phil

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

terryc wrote:

On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 13:26:32 +1000, Sylvia Else wrote:

you asinine autistic bitch.

I don't see the relevance of that.

I think he is trying to chat you up.

That's the same way he used to talk to his inflatable sheep.


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