Follow along with the video below to see how to install our site as a web app on your home screen.
Note: This feature may not be available in some browsers.
That's why we really should have binaural recordings for headphone** I have come across folk with their hi-fi speakers wired out of phase and
gone un-noticed for months or years. Room acoustics and listening position
being critical to observing the fact. However, stereo headphones wired out
of phase is just the weirdest sound and not tolerated by many for long.
Headphone listening is nothing like listening to stereo speakers or natural
sounds in the environment - the outer ears are no longer involved and moving
one's head has no effect on the sound heard. The stereo effect becomes
extreme and the "sound stage" appears to be inside one's head extending left
and right as well. Plus the who damn thing moves about with your head
movements.
The 414s originally came with DIN speaker plugs, but they changed to jacksWell these leads plug into the ear sockets with little plugs, assuming
they are wired the sam, it should be a simple continuity job.
Most of those phones came with silly din plugs on the end as I recall.
It really does not matter how you do it of course as long as the
transducers are in phase at the end with two leads to earth of the plug.
Well yes, that's what this thread has been about!
While on the subject of these open back phones. I have a set of 414s and
need new ear cushions for them. anyone know if they can still be bought?
I recently bought new muffs for a pair of 414s from Canford.
Any tips how? I once bought a Pelican case to hold somethingIn article <51d33d61c0d...@davenoise.co.uk>,
"Dave Plowman (News)" <d...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
In article <Xns9EE57F121FAB96AD...@69.16.185.252>,
Patrick <inva...@invalid.com> wrote:
I have some vinatge headphones (Sennheiser HD424) and want to attach a
new plug.
Which color wires are the positive ones?
The colors in one of the leads are red & blue and in the other lead
black & yellow. (No wire is used as screening - there's just two wires
in each lead.)
Black and blue are the commons. Not that it would make any difference if
you commoned red and yellow.
You can check for sure by unplugging the leads from each actual earpiece
(red and blue plugs), but be careful to pull on the actual plug only. The
pins are of slightly different sizes.
Hope you have a source of the muffs for these - they crumble to dust quite
quickly.
I've been making my own for years, out of open-cell foam -- it comes for
free as packaging in all sorts of product boxes.
A pair of headphones with incorrect phasing is about as obvious as beingOn 13:22 14 May 2011, Martin Brown wrote:
On 14/05/2011 12:54, Patrick wrote:
On 12:44 14 May 2011, Phil Allison wrote:
"Patrick"
I have some vinatge headphones (Sennheiser HD424) and want to
attach a new plug.
Which color wires are the positive ones?
Are you familiar with decoding these red& blue and black& yellow
headphone wires?
I would hazard a guess red, yellow are positive and blue, black
negative. But why didn't you make a note of where the cables were
connected when you took the original apart?
There are only four wires as two trivially distinct pairs - the worst
that can happen is you need to flip a pair if you choose incorrectly.
Years ago someone wired up these headphones to a 1/4 inch plug and they
they say they don't know what polarity meant. There's no point following
their clueless wiring.
Out of phase headphone transducers create a far more subtle adverse
effect than that noticed in loudspeakers, so it is not something
immediately evident by A-B testing. Nor is testing necessary if someone
here knows what the color coding is.
They were standard issue (for some things) in the BBC when I worked thereBlack and blue are the commons. Not that it would make any difference
if you commoned red and yellow.
You can check for sure by unplugging the leads from each actual
earpiece (red and blue plugs), but be careful to pull on the actual
plug only. The pins are of slightly different sizes.
Hope you have a source of the muffs for these - they crumble to dust
quite quickly.
You must know the headphones well because I had long forgotten the leads
plugged into the earpieces. I didn't realize the mini plugs were keyed
to go in only one way around. With that info I could have continuity
tested the colored leads to each of the larger pins on the plugs but
you saved me doing that becauase you have given me the color coding
too. Thank you.
I still quite like them for where an open backed design is suitable.You're right about the muffs crumbling. I threw them out. First I'll
see what the cans sound like now and then decide if it's worth getting
new muffs.
Phil tends to be rude to everyone. And everything to him is black andIt's been instructive to see how many people misunderstood what the
original question was trying to solve and they gave obviously useless,
if not misleading, advice. It's never been the same since Eternal
September.
DIN plugs with a socket on the back so they could be inserted 'in line'The 414s originally came with DIN speaker plugs, but they changed to
jacks quite some time ago.
Out of phase headphone transducers create a far more subtle adverse
effect than that noticed in loudspeakers, so it is not something
immediately evident by A-B testing. Nor is testing necessary if someone
here knows what the color coding is.
A pair of headphones with incorrect phasing is about as obvious as being
hit on the head with a brick.
Amplifier to mono and try listening to something. If you have it right the
sound source will appear to be very close to the middle of your head and
if not it will be in different places or spread out depending on the
frequency.
If you can't tell the difference you don't deserve a hifi system.
** Just might be that the transducers are mis-wired.You could always look at the cables at the transducer end.
** My colour vision is perfect.Phil tends to be rude to everyone. And everything to him is black and
white.
But I do know out of phase headphones ain't as obvious to all as he
suggests, or are to him.
Highly unlikey with AKG. On this design, the leads plug into the** Just might be that the transducers are mis-wired.
** Irrelevant.** Just might be that the transducers are mis-wired.
Highly unlikey with AKG.
On this design, the leads plug into the
transducers.
"Dave Plowman (Nutcase )
So?** Just might be that the transducers are mis-wired.
Highly unlikey with AKG.
** Irrelevant.
Only ONE ear unit is involved.
On this design, the leads plug into the
transducers.
** This * steaming great * RETARDED fuckwit did not read what I wrote.
" As someone who does repairs for a living - I learnt LONG ago to
expect the unexpected. Murphy RULES !!!!! "
But I do know out of phase headphones ain't as obvious to all as he
suggests, or are to him.
You have little idea about the variations between humans. To know this,** Not with a ** MONO ** signal !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As many others here, with far more insight than a jerk like you, have
agreed.
Are you being serious? Or is this an attempt at "humour"?"William Sommerwanker"
"Meat Plow"
** This trolling asshole is a narcissistic psychopath.
He knows nothing and understands even less.
I want the lunatic jerk kicked right off usenet.
Who will help me ?
If the "lunatic jerk" you're referring to is yourself... I'd say
everyone
in this group.
** Ain't it just amazing !!
If you go after ONE troll, the rest of the cunts come in and gang up on
you.
So you gotta take the WHOLE lot on, all at once.
What a bunch of gutless, fascist pricks they are.
** Irrelevant.** Just might be that the transducers are mis-wired.
Highly unlikey with AKG.
On this design, the leads plug into the
transducers.
"Meat Plow"
** This trolling asshole is a narcissistic psychopath.
He knows nothing and understands even less.
I want the lunatic jerk kicked right off usenet.
Who will help me ?
If the "lunatic jerk" you're referring to is yourself... I'd say everyone
in
this group.
** My colour vision is perfect.Phil tends to be rude to everyone. And everything to him is black and
white.
But I do know out of phase headphones ain't as obvious to all as he
suggests, or are to him.
Most people around the world agree you're a prat - so why suddenly believeAs many others here, with far more insight than a jerk like you, have
agreed.
** My colour vision is perfect.Phil tends to be rude to everyone. And everything to him is black and
white.
But I do know out of phase headphones ain't as obvious to all as he
suggests, or are to him.
Hello Patrick.I have some vinatge headphones (Sennheiser HD424) and want to attach a new
plug.
Which color wires are the positive ones?
The colors in one of the leads are red & blue and in the other lead black
&
yellow. (No wire is used as screening - there's just two wires in each
lead.)
I wonder if they will last any longer than the originals. At 6.66 UKP"Brian Gaff" <Bria...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:iqnu9g$e5l$1@dont-email.me...
While on the subject of these open back phones. I have a set of 414s and
need new ear cushions for them. anyone know if they can still be bought?
I recently bought new muffs for a pair of 414s from Canford.