Gas shortage UK...

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 06/11/2022 22:29, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 11/6/2022 4:06 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On 6 Nov 2022 20:11:58 GMT, Spike <Aero.Spike@mail.invalid> wrote:

John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 17:38:38 -0000, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 17:25:22 -0000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Sun, 6 Nov 2022 15:48:52 +0000, Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me
wrote:

On 06/11/2022 14:46, Commander Kinsey wrote:
It\'s happening already....

https://www.dropbox.com/s/0iph3vmipjmk6qu/grid.jpg?dl=0

I\'ve never seen the cables from Europe maxed out before.  Looks
like the
gas tank\'s running out....

Maybe Europe has more energy than it knows what to do with, e.g.
wind,
rather than we are low on gas.

There is no obvious way to store even one full day\'s use of
electrical
energy.

You can buy a battery which will power your home for a week.

A Powerwall costs about $11K and is claimed to power a typical house
for 1.5 days. Between fires.

Grid-scale storage would have to power industry and transport too, and
cooking and cooling and heating for all-electric homes after NG is
banned.

I get the impression that the idea of the renewables programme is to get
rid of industry, transport, and people.

Yes. The greenie thing is a path to power through fear.

Oil is finite.  What is your plan?  When should it kick in?

\"Renewables\" depend on fossil fuels and cannot work without them.
What\'s *your* plan?


--
Labour - a bunch of rich people convincing poor people to vote for rich
people by telling poor people that \"other\" rich people are the reason
they are poor.

Peter Thompson

 

[Peeler]

On Sun, 6 Nov 2022 15:40:44 -0800, corvid, yet another troll-feeding senile
IDIOT, blathered:

Obama! Look past his plan, which you don\'t have to like, and give him
some credit for having the mettle to say what he said, when he said it.

What\'s this shit got to do with the 3 ngs you keep crossposting it to,
troll-feeding senile shithead?

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 23:35:07 -0000, <hubops@ccanoemail.com> wrote:

On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 22:34:03 -0000, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 22:25:56 -0000, Ed Pawlowski <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

On 11/6/2022 5:12 PM, danny burstein wrote:
In <t18gmhd1pc7hfml7digabt54e6829d4cdg@4ax.com> hubops@ccanoemail.com writes:

[snip]

Since when could gas cool something anyway?

Broadly speaking, two ways:

a: using it to directly power a compressor the same
way it can run a car or generator

and

b: through that whole \"ammonia cycle\" deal which, while
I\'ve seen it in operation, makes my head hurt.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absorption_refrigerator

Cabins & cottages in remote locations have used propane
burning fridges for decades.

My parents old apartment in NYC had a \"natural gas [a]\"
fired refrigerator which yes, had a small flame doing
that whole ammonia deal, back in the 1960\'s. I wish
I could have held onto it...

[a] well, it probably dated from the 1930\'s, so was
originally working on \"town\" or \"manufactured\" gas,
and hopefully retrofitted to natural gas in the
1950\'s when NYC switched over.



You can still buy one.
https://www.lehmans.com/category/gas-refrigerators-freezers

Handy for camping I presume.

Sure - back-pack a fridge through the bush.

I should have said caravanning. Or camping where you take your car to the campsite.

> .. then portage the propane tanks !

A canoe is heavy enough.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 23:40:44 -0000, corvid <bl@ckb.ird> wrote:

On 11/6/22 14:01, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 21:43:51 -0000, corvid <bl@ckb.ird> wrote:
On 11/6/22 07:36, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 14:46:37 -0000, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

It\'s happening already....

https://www.dropbox.com/s/0iph3vmipjmk6qu/grid.jpg?dl=0

I\'ve never seen the cables from Europe maxed out before. Looks
like the gas tank\'s running out....

We are winning the war on energy.

“Under my plan … electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket.”

Barack Obama

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2009/jun/11/mike-pence/pence-claims-obama-said-energy-costs-will-skyrocke/

You\'d rather not have disclosures upfront? He sounds like someone I\'d be
comfortable buying a house from.

Obama or Pence?

Obama! Look past his plan, which you don\'t have to like, and give him
some credit for having the mettle to say what he said, when he said it..

He\'s left wing, so I pay no attention. He steals from the rich to pay the poor.

 

[Peeler]

On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 18:35:07 -0500, hubops@ccanoemail.com, another brain
dead, troll-feeding, senile CRETIN, blathered again:

Sure - back-pack a fridge through the bush.
.. then portage the propane tanks !
John T.

See, troll-feeding senile shithead? After a few hours of feeding the troll,
you sound EXACTLY as retarded as him! Such is the power of his idiocy! LOL

 

[Frank]

On 11/6/2022 4:06 PM, John Larkin wrote:

On 6 Nov 2022 20:11:58 GMT, Spike <Aero.Spike@mail.invalid> wrote:

John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 17:38:38 -0000, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 17:25:22 -0000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Sun, 6 Nov 2022 15:48:52 +0000, Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me
wrote:

On 06/11/2022 14:46, Commander Kinsey wrote:
It\'s happening already....

https://www.dropbox.com/s/0iph3vmipjmk6qu/grid.jpg?dl=0

I\'ve never seen the cables from Europe maxed out before. Looks like the
gas tank\'s running out....

Maybe Europe has more energy than it knows what to do with, e.g. wind,
rather than we are low on gas.

There is no obvious way to store even one full day\'s use of electrical
energy.

You can buy a battery which will power your home for a week.

A Powerwall costs about $11K and is claimed to power a typical house
for 1.5 days. Between fires.

Grid-scale storage would have to power industry and transport too, and
cooking and cooling and heating for all-electric homes after NG is
banned.

I get the impression that the idea of the renewables programme is to get
rid of industry, transport, and people.

Yes. The greenie thing is a path to power through fear.

\"State of Fear\" by Michael Crichton is a must read. Drove the greenies
nuts.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 23:45:31 -0000, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 06/11/2022 15:48, Pancho wrote:
On 06/11/2022 14:46, Commander Kinsey wrote:
It\'s happening already....

https://www.dropbox.com/s/0iph3vmipjmk6qu/grid.jpg?dl=0

I\'ve never seen the cables from Europe maxed out before. Looks like
the gas tank\'s running out....

Maybe Europe has more energy than it knows what to do with, e.g. wind,
rather than we are low on gas.

The only way to tell is to look at the spot prices. European<->uk flows
tend to be from Europe when its cheap and to Europe when its expensive.

Because we have capacity, but its expensive gas capacity compared with
French nuclear, German and polish coal or scandinavian hydro.

Not since we fell out with Russia.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 23:47:50 -0000, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 06/11/2022 17:25, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 6 Nov 2022 15:48:52 +0000, Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me
wrote:

On 06/11/2022 14:46, Commander Kinsey wrote:
It\'s happening already....

https://www.dropbox.com/s/0iph3vmipjmk6qu/grid.jpg?dl=0

I\'ve never seen the cables from Europe maxed out before. Looks like the
gas tank\'s running out....

Maybe Europe has more energy than it knows what to do with, e.g. wind,
rather than we are low on gas.

There is no obvious way to store even one full day\'s use of electrical
energy.

Well I worked out how to do it by pumping out loch Ness and letting the
sea refill it via some turbines. I reckon you could store almost a weeks
worth .

Utterly destroy the ecosystem of course, and cost more than totally
equipping the UK with nukes instead, but hey, its all green energy innit?

It\'s amazing, the same treehuggers who don\'t want coal get all upset when we make damns or install \"noisy\" wind turbines that stupid birds fly into.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 23:48:51 -0000, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 06/11/2022 20:04, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 06/11/2022 19:51, danny burstein wrote:
In <op.1u78rjekmvhs6z@ryzen.home> \"Commander Kinsey\" <CK1@nospam.com
writes:

[snip]

Since when could gas cool something anyway?

Broadly speaking, two ways:

a: using it to directly power a compressor the same
way it can run a car or generator

and

b: through that whole \"ammonia cycle\" deal which, while
I\'ve seen it in operation, makes my head hurt.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absorption_refrigerator


I knew that as the Electrolux cycle.


Nothing sucks like Electrolux...

I can remember this ad:
https://youtu.be/yZrQqnRhmZ0

This one is funnier though:
https://youtu.be/Unco7qlaAJ4

I can\'t find the one where the hoovers are holding up a plate or fighting over it or something.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 23:50:44 -0000, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 06/11/2022 20:11, Spike wrote:
John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 17:38:38 -0000, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 17:25:22 -0000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Sun, 6 Nov 2022 15:48:52 +0000, Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me
wrote:

On 06/11/2022 14:46, Commander Kinsey wrote:
It\'s happening already....

https://www.dropbox.com/s/0iph3vmipjmk6qu/grid.jpg?dl=0

I\'ve never seen the cables from Europe maxed out before. Looks like the
gas tank\'s running out....

Maybe Europe has more energy than it knows what to do with, e.g. wind,
rather than we are low on gas.

There is no obvious way to store even one full day\'s use of electrical
energy.

You can buy a battery which will power your home for a week.

A Powerwall costs about $11K and is claimed to power a typical house
for 1.5 days. Between fires.

Grid-scale storage would have to power industry and transport too, and
cooking and cooling and heating for all-electric homes after NG is
banned.

I get the impression that the idea of the renewables programme is to get
rid of industry, transport, and people.

Well those are irrelevant. The idea of the renewables programme is to
get all private wealth into the hands of a few extremely powerful people
who are actually government - as opposed to the zombies in parliament

It took the oil companies a while to realise that.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 23:52:13 -0000, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 06/11/2022 22:29, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 11/6/2022 4:06 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On 6 Nov 2022 20:11:58 GMT, Spike <Aero.Spike@mail.invalid> wrote:

John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 17:38:38 -0000, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 17:25:22 -0000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Sun, 6 Nov 2022 15:48:52 +0000, Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me
wrote:

On 06/11/2022 14:46, Commander Kinsey wrote:
It\'s happening already....

https://www.dropbox.com/s/0iph3vmipjmk6qu/grid.jpg?dl=0

I\'ve never seen the cables from Europe maxed out before. Looks
like the
gas tank\'s running out....

Maybe Europe has more energy than it knows what to do with, e.g.
wind,
rather than we are low on gas.

There is no obvious way to store even one full day\'s use of
electrical
energy.

You can buy a battery which will power your home for a week.

A Powerwall costs about $11K and is claimed to power a typical house
for 1.5 days. Between fires.

Grid-scale storage would have to power industry and transport too, and
cooking and cooling and heating for all-electric homes after NG is
banned.

I get the impression that the idea of the renewables programme is to get
rid of industry, transport, and people.

Yes. The greenie thing is a path to power through fear.

Oil is finite. What is your plan? When should it kick in?

\"Renewables\" depend on fossil fuels and cannot work without them.

Where did you get that tremendously stupid idea from?

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 00:56:48 -0000, The Genetically Unmodified Paul Pot (Still a natural human being as God created) <paulpot@nowhere.com> wrote:

On 07/11/2022 00:40, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 00:31:23 -0000, The Genetically Unmodified Paul Pot
(Still a natural human being as God created) <paulpot@nowhere.com> wrote:

On 06/11/2022 21:36, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 21:30:26 -0000, The Genetically Unmodified Paul Pot
(Still a natural human being as God created) <paulpot@nowhere.com
wrote:

On 06/11/2022 20:53, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 19:59:04 -0000, Joe <joe@jretrading.com> wrote:

On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 19:28:20 -0000
\"Commander Kinsey\" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 18:01:01 -0000, Frank <Frank@frank..net> wrote:

On 11/6/2022 11:08 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 15:36:11 -0000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 14:46:37 -0000, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

It\'s happening already....

https://www.dropbox.com/s/0iph3vmipjmk6qu/grid.jpg?dl=0

I\'ve never seen the cables from Europe maxed out before. Looks
like the gas tank\'s running out....

We are winning the war on energy.

Explain.

“Under my plan … electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket.”

Barack Obama

Explain.

Our democrat party has all said we must suffer through these pains
as we are crucified on the green cross.

I fail to see why people vote for left wing clowns.

Because they are either:

a) net tax recipients, or

People who receive money from the government should not be allowed to
vote. That amounts to bribery.

That\'s *you* not voting then.

You\'re not still a fucking believer are you? What made you go nuts?

Think God as nature, not something you dreamt up to justify your
synthetic existential morality.

No, god is what we believe in when we\'re 6, like the tooth fairy and
santa claus. I believe in what I see with my own two eyes.

You do realise religion is created by the powerful people you despise?
It\'s a means of control.

Religion has nothing to do with nature. How many times do I have to explain?

Where did I mention nature?

 

[Fredxx]

On 06/11/2022 20:53, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 20:20:23 -0000, Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:

On 11/6/2022 11:59 AM, Joe wrote:
On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 19:28:20 -0000
\"Commander Kinsey\" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 18:01:01 -0000, Frank <Frank@frank..net> wrote:

On 11/6/2022 11:08 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 15:36:11 -0000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 14:46:37 -0000, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

It\'s happening already....

https://www.dropbox.com/s/0iph3vmipjmk6qu/grid.jpg?dl=0

I\'ve never seen the cables from Europe maxed out before.  Looks
like the gas tank\'s running out....

We are winning the war on energy.

Explain.

“Under my plan … electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket.”

Barack Obama

Explain.

Our democrat party has all said we must suffer through these pains
as we are crucified on the green cross.

I fail to see why people vote for left wing clowns.

Because they are either:

a) net tax recipients, or

b) fictitious


Or because they actually care about the people of this country, not just
the billionaires.

Republicans operate on the \"I got mine, screw you\" idealogy.

If you care for people, you\'re free to give to charity.  But forcing
everyone to give to charity is clearly wrong.  I want to decide if and
where my money goes.

I agree, scroungers who can\'t be arsed to work shouldn\'t be able to
afford the internet

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 01:44:42 -0000, Fredxx <fredxx@spam.uk> wrote:

On 06/11/2022 20:53, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 20:20:23 -0000, Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:

On 11/6/2022 11:59 AM, Joe wrote:
On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 19:28:20 -0000
\"Commander Kinsey\" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 18:01:01 -0000, Frank <Frank@frank..net> wrote:

On 11/6/2022 11:08 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 15:36:11 -0000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 14:46:37 -0000, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

It\'s happening already....

https://www.dropbox.com/s/0iph3vmipjmk6qu/grid.jpg?dl=0

I\'ve never seen the cables from Europe maxed out before. Looks
like the gas tank\'s running out....

We are winning the war on energy.

Explain.

“Under my plan … electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket.”

Barack Obama

Explain.

Our democrat party has all said we must suffer through these pains
as we are crucified on the green cross.

I fail to see why people vote for left wing clowns.

Because they are either:

a) net tax recipients, or

b) fictitious


Or because they actually care about the people of this country, not just
the billionaires.

Republicans operate on the \"I got mine, screw you\" idealogy.

If you care for people, you\'re free to give to charity. But forcing
everyone to give to charity is clearly wrong. I want to decide if and
where my money goes.

I agree, scroungers who can\'t be arsed to work shouldn\'t be able to
afford the internet

If you\'re trying to have a go at me, you\'ve failed. Just because I scrounge doesn\'t mean I think it\'s right.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 01:49:50 -0000, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Sun, 6 Nov 2022 22:12:06 -0000 (UTC), danny burstein wrote:

[a] well, it probably dated from the 1930\'s, so was originally working
on \"town\" or \"manufactured\" gas,
and hopefully retrofitted to natural gas in the 1950\'s when NYC switched
over.

That takes all the fun out of it. Town or coal gas was primarily carbon
monoxide and hydrogen, making it very convenient for people planning their
final exit.

I thought natural gas could still be used to top yourself?

 

[John Robertson]

On 2022/11/06 6:46 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:

It\'s happening already....

https://www.dropbox.com/s/0iph3vmipjmk6qu/grid.jpg?dl=0

I\'ve never seen the cables from Europe maxed out before.  Looks like the
gas tank\'s running out....

You know that actually providing a link to a data source is of use to
people - they can either agree or refute your claim.

What I see is pretty normal usage and well under capacity.

https://gridwatch.co.uk/

I was surprised how much wind-power is contributing to the overall
energy budget.

And there is always Texas if you want to see a place in serious trouble
thanks to the politicians - who happen to be...

https://americanexperimentnd.org/gridwatch-2022-texas-edition-windless-in-waco/

John :-#)#

 

[rbowman]

On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 00:52:03 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:

> Kafir.

Yeah, so? Unless that\'s Brit-speak for something other than an infidel.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 02:09:13 -0000, John Robertson <jrr@flippers.com> wrote:

On 2022/11/06 6:46 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
It\'s happening already....

https://www.dropbox.com/s/0iph3vmipjmk6qu/grid.jpg?dl=0

I\'ve never seen the cables from Europe maxed out before. Looks like the
gas tank\'s running out....

You know that actually providing a link to a data source is of use to
people - they can either agree or refute your claim.

Which is what I did.

> What I see is pretty normal usage and well under capacity.

I see us having to buy stuff form Europe, and the gas being very low.

> https://gridwatch.co.uk/

Is the fake site. You should look at the far more useful https://gridwatch.templar.co.uk/

I was surprised how much wind-power is contributing to the overall
energy budget.

All we need to do is triple it and we can run on wind alone.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 02:10:01 -0000, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 00:52:03 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:

Kafir.

Yeah, so? Unless that\'s Brit-speak for something other than an infidel.

It\'s Suth Effrican speak for a nigger who thinks he\'s important.

 

[John Larkin]

On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 21:09:35 -0000, \"Commander Kinsey\"
<CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 21:06:23 -0000, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On 6 Nov 2022 20:11:58 GMT, Spike <Aero.Spike@mail.invalid> wrote:

John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 17:38:38 -0000, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 17:25:22 -0000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Sun, 6 Nov 2022 15:48:52 +0000, Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me
wrote:

On 06/11/2022 14:46, Commander Kinsey wrote:
It\'s happening already....

https://www.dropbox.com/s/0iph3vmipjmk6qu/grid.jpg?dl=0

I\'ve never seen the cables from Europe maxed out before. Looks like the
gas tank\'s running out....

Maybe Europe has more energy than it knows what to do with, e.g. wind,
rather than we are low on gas.

There is no obvious way to store even one full day\'s use of electrical
energy.

You can buy a battery which will power your home for a week.

A Powerwall costs about $11K and is claimed to power a typical house
for 1.5 days. Between fires.

Grid-scale storage would have to power industry and transport too, and
cooking and cooling and heating for all-electric homes after NG is
banned.

I get the impression that the idea of the renewables programme is to get
rid of industry, transport, and people.

Yes. The greenie thing is a path to power through fear.

Just like religion.

Religions don\'t often have the goal of Destroying Capitalism.