Freaky Amazing DMM?!

[Arlowe]

Archimedes' Lever explained :

On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 12:25:36 -0800 (PST), bud-- <budnews@isp.com> wrote:


It should be clear the discussion is about high available fault
current - the current you get when the source is short circuited.


Which is NOT a problem with ANY modern meter.

In other words, IDIOT... EVEN IF IT FLASHES IT WILL NOT CAUSE A HIGH
CURRENT INCIDENT.

Two simple premises, dopey fuck.

ONE: The meter leads are SMALL gauge! Do you even know what that
means?

TWO: WHERE is the short circuit, IDIOT!?

The problem is with transient voltage.
I have seen event logs with transients of over 3KV. That will blow that
homemade heathkit meter to hell.
If you are holding it you will continue life with a pair of stumps.

You do not know anything about working with mains power...stick with
your radio shack electronics kit.

 

[Archimedes' Lever]

On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 01:14:04 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

I followed the thread, even though it loops in multiple, ridiculous
circles. Either you can work with available tools, or you need your
hand held, and your mommy to wipe both ends for you.

I do not agree with MT often, but he is correct here.

The low impedance only dopes are undereducated, and the folks that know
how to use their tools to ensure that proper data is recorded is in the
right.

 

[Archimedes' Lever]

On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 19:44:14 +1100, Arlowe <bare.arsed@gmail.com> wrote:

I have seen event logs with transients of over 3KV. That will blow that
homemade heathkit meter to hell.

No, it will NOT. It MIGHT arc INSIDE the meter, BUT can only last for
the duration of the transient, and NO meter is protected to that voltage,
you retarded twit! Sure the meter will be broken, but "blow that meter
to hell" is pretty much stupid misinformation.

Ya, you are bare assed alright. Shame one of those transients did
catch you in the ass, right where your brain is. Oh... that's right...
it appears that one did. That accounts for the stupidity.

 

[Archimedes' Lever]

On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 19:44:14 +1100, Arlowe <bare.arsed@gmail.com> wrote:

If you are holding it you will continue life with a pair of stumps.

More total bullshit.

 

[Archimedes' Lever]

On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 19:44:14 +1100, Arlowe <bare.arsed@gmail.com> wrote:

You do not know anything about working with mains power...stick with
your radio shack electronics kit.

I have worked with mains power, and I have made 400kV power supplies,
asswipe. I know more about HV than a punk fucking sparky retard like you
ever will.

 

[Arlowe]

Archimedes' Lever laid this down on his screen :

On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 19:44:14 +1100, Arlowe <bare.arsed@gmail.com> wrote:


You do not know anything about working with mains power...stick with
your radio shack electronics kit.


I have worked with mains power, and I have made 400kV power supplies,
asswipe. I know more about HV than a punk fucking sparky retard like you
ever will.

Tough guy huh....

you don't know shit.

 

[Arlowe]

Archimedes' Lever wrote :

On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 19:44:14 +1100, Arlowe <bare.arsed@gmail.com> wrote:


You do not know anything about working with mains power...stick with
your radio shack electronics kit.


I have worked with mains power, and I have made 400kV power supplies,
asswipe. I know more about HV than a punk fucking sparky retard like you
ever will.

big fucking deal... I have a mate who worked for GE for 30 years
building transformers.
He had no electrical background at all, he just assembled them...

most likely, just like you.
If you are such a hot-shot, then prove it.



BTW> I am laughing *at* you...

I love it when wankers like yourself loose control.

 

[Archimedes' Lever]

On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 23:21:27 +1100, Arlowe <bare.arsed@gmail.com> wrote:

Archimedes' Lever laid this down on his screen :
On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 19:44:14 +1100, Arlowe <bare.arsed@gmail.com> wrote:


You do not know anything about working with mains power...stick with
your radio shack electronics kit.


I have worked with mains power, and I have made 400kV power supplies,
asswipe. I know more about HV than a punk fucking sparky retard like you
ever will.

Tough guy huh....

you don't know shit.

I made supplies that were used on space shuttle experiments, shithead.

What have you done?

I did more in the last two years to make the world a better place than
your pathetic ass will accomplish in your entire pathetic, holier than
thou life, you fucking retard.

 

[Archimedes' Lever]

On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 23:43:27 +1100, Arlowe <bare.arsed@gmail.com> wrote:

BTW> I am laughing *at* you...

I love it when wankers like yourself loose control.

You think I give a fat flying fuck what you are jacking off to?

Fuck off are low.

 

[Arlowe]

Archimedes' Lever formulated the question :

On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 23:21:27 +1100, Arlowe <bare.arsed@gmail.com> wrote:

Archimedes' Lever laid this down on his screen :
On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 19:44:14 +1100, Arlowe <bare.arsed@gmail.com> wrote:


You do not know anything about working with mains power...stick with
your radio shack electronics kit.


I have worked with mains power, and I have made 400kV power supplies,
asswipe. I know more about HV than a punk fucking sparky retard like you
ever will.

Tough guy huh....

you don't know shit.

I made supplies that were used on space shuttle experiments, shithead.
What have you done?

I did more in the last two years to make the world a better place than
your pathetic ass will accomplish in your entire pathetic, holier than
thou life, you fucking retard.

lol.
like I said, stick to your Radio Shack jr. electronics kit.

 

[Arlowe]

Archimedes' Lever brought next idea :

On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 23:43:27 +1100, Arlowe <bare.arsed@gmail.com> wrote:

BTW> I am laughing *at* you...

I love it when wankers like yourself loose control.

You think I give a fat flying fuck what you are jacking off to?

Fuck off are low.

No, this is fun.
Do all of you NASA Super-duper electronics wizzers use that sort of
language? Is "fat flying fuck" a technical term?

Oh yeah, that "are-low" thing...having a play on words? Because of My
name right? Arlowe = "are low" now that's comedy right there.

 

[bud--]

On Jan 26, 6:00 pm, Archimedes' Lever <OneBigLe...@InfiniteSeries.Org>
wrote:

On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 12:25:36 -0800 (PST), bud-- <budn...@isp.com> wrote:

It should be clear the discussion is about high available fault
current - the current you get when the source is short circuited.

Which is NOT a problem with ANY modern meter.

Then the idiots at the IEC and ANSI wasted a lot of time developing
standards for modern meters used on high capacity circuits. If they
had only consulted you....

In other words, IDIOT... EVEN IF IT FLASHES IT WILL NOT CAUSE A HIGH
CURRENT INCIDENT.

Safety experts disagree. Somehow I trust them.

Two simple premises,dopey fuck.

It’s the patented Archimedes logic. Your namesake would be proud.
But why do you want your logical masterpieces erased after only a few
days???

ONE: The meter leads are SMALL gauge! Do you even know what that
means?

When they vaporize there will be less metal to condense on the
electrician.

TWO: WHERE is the short circuit, IDIOT!?

Transients, far above the nominal circuit voltage, can break down a
meter that is not designed to handle them. Transients are more likely
to be present on high capacity circuits. Result - internal arcing and
rapid circuit reconfiguration in multiple directions.

And although you never make mistakes, mere humans do. Cat rated
meters are protected in the case a mere human tries to meter on the
wrong range.

If you were familiar with modern safety practice you would know about
both.

Using a meter that is not Cat rated may only result in your wearing
the meter. Or, if you are less lucky, the failure can propagate back
to the switchgear.


Arc flash is a serious enough problem that it attracted OSHA. That is
arc flash at “low voltage” - below 600V. The defacto standard for
worker safety is NFPA 70E ( a cousin to the NEC which is NFPA 70). A
major piece of 70E is arc flash protection. Why does 70E require “low
voltage” electricians to wear arc flash suits in some environments?

You are out of touch with ‘current’ safety practices. What a surprise!

--
bud--

 

[bud--]

On Jan 27, 12:14 am, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net>
wrote:

bud-- wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Is it a phantom voltage?

Easy enough to identify.

Even easier for Arloe.

The appropriate tools start with a well trained brain. Otherwise,
you are a monkey throwing crap at the problem.

How fortunate that Arloe and Stewart and I are well educated and know
what we are doing.

Sure you are. Yet you can't figure out how to do it without a dumbed
down tool.

It’s the favorite nobody-knows-anything-but-Michael argument.

Not the issue, of course. Any tool can be used. The question is what
is appropriate and efficient. High z meters do not help you on power
circuits, but you can use what you want. Arloe is entirely reasonable
to use a low z meter.

--
bud--

 

[Archimedes' Lever]

On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 00:11:24 +1100, Arlowe <bare.arsed@gmail.com> wrote:

Archimedes' Lever formulated the question :
On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 23:21:27 +1100, Arlowe <bare.arsed@gmail.com> wrote:

Archimedes' Lever laid this down on his screen :
On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 19:44:14 +1100, Arlowe <bare.arsed@gmail.com> wrote:


You do not know anything about working with mains power...stick with
your radio shack electronics kit.


I have worked with mains power, and I have made 400kV power supplies,
asswipe. I know more about HV than a punk fucking sparky retard like you
ever will.

Tough guy huh....

you don't know shit.

I made supplies that were used on space shuttle experiments, shithead.
What have you done?

I did more in the last two years to make the world a better place than
your pathetic ass will accomplish in your entire pathetic, holier than
thou life, you fucking retard.

lol.
like I said, stick to your Radio Shack jr. electronics kit.

Let's just say that I am not even allowed to tell you what I work on,

an that there is one on every vehicle in service, including all planes
and ships. That pretty much makes you the pussy.

You, on the other hand likely have done nothing other than Radio Shack
educational projects. You need more.

 

[Archimedes' Lever]

On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 11:55:38 -0800 (PST), bud-- <budnews@isp.com> wrote:

When they vaporize there will be less metal to condense on the
electrician.

Condense isn't even the right word, you utter fucking retard.

Spatter best fits, and has been in use for years, dumbfuck. It doesn't
condense. Yet another physical realm subject that you have no clue
about, or you would have chosen the proper word.

Eat a grenade. The world would be better off if you were spattered
onto the ground.

 

[Archimedes' Lever]

On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 11:55:38 -0800 (PST), bud-- <budnews@isp.com> wrote:

Transients, far above the nominal circuit voltage, can break down a
meter that is not designed to handle them. Transients are more likely
to be present on high capacity circuits. Result - internal arcing and
rapid circuit reconfiguration in multiple directions.

"rapid circuit reconfiguration"? Is there anything that you do not make
up some lame phrase to describe it? A meter which experiences an arc
internally where it should not be will most certainly fail. That's not a
'reconfiguration' you retarded fuck, that is termed as a 'failure mode'
or a 'catastrophic failure'. I wouldn't expect a twit like you to know
what the word mode means, however. Either way, your description isn't
one.

You are a VAPID circuit reconfiguration.

 

[Archimedes' Lever]

On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 11:55:38 -0800 (PST), bud-- <budnews@isp.com> wrote:

And although you never make mistakes,

I made on, thinking that you have half a brain.

mere humans do.

How would you know, since you do not qualify?

Cat rated
meters are protected in the case a mere human tries to meter on the
wrong range.

Modern meters auto-range, you retarded, Chinese cheap shit fuckhead.

 

[Archimedes' Lever]

On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 11:55:38 -0800 (PST), bud-- <budnews@isp.com> wrote:

If you were familiar with modern safety practice you would know about
both.

I have used meters on 50kV before, floating.

A test circumstance a pussy like you doesn't even have the balls to
try, much less LEARN how to perform. I know EXACTLY how to meter ANY
source, fucktard.

You are so stupid, you likely do not even know what Fluorinert is.

 

[Archimedes' Lever]

On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 11:55:38 -0800 (PST), bud-- <budnews@isp.com> wrote:

Using a meter that is not Cat rated may only result in your wearing
the meter.

Or, in the case of experienced users, WILL only result in a proper and
safely obtained reading being taken.

Or, if you are less lucky, the failure can propagate back
to the switchgear.

You're an idiot... A complete retard. I have seen high capacity lines
dancing on the street before. *Those* current spikes made it to the
switch gear. A failed DMM would not even make a single event that
matched any one of those arcs dancing on the roadway, and very likely
would appear as a mere glitch on the switch gear, at best.

You act like someone is throwing a 2 inch diameter Copper bar across
the taps. Sorry but the are no meters made that react like a 2 inch
Copper bar when they short an AC source. Perhaps you should re-examine
your claims.

 

[Archimedes' Lever]

On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 11:55:38 -0800 (PST), bud-- <budnews@isp.com> wrote:

Why does 70E require “low
voltage” electricians to wear arc flash suits in some environments?

Because they are painfully aware of the average IQ of the majority of
electrical workers involved in such activities.