Freaky Amazing DMM?!

[Archimedes' Lever]

On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 11:55:38 -0800 (PST), bud-- <budnews@isp.com> wrote:

You are out of touch with ‘current’ safety practices. What a surprise!

No. I know them quite well. I also know what is required to perform a
given operation.

You are like a QA inspector with no education, who only inspects things
by looking at a picture of the finished item. All you can do is quote
chapter and verse, but your actual hands on knowledge appears to be nil.

Are you an office fucktard that sits at a drafting table doing
estimations?

 

[Archimedes' Lever]

On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 11:58:39 -0800 (PST), bud-- <budnews@isp.com> wrote:

Even easier for Arloe.

Leave it to the twit to claim knowledge but continually get the name
wrong.

You do not know the first thing about the idiot, you fucking idiot.

 

[bud--]

On Jan 27, 6:26 pm, Archimedes' Lever <OneBigLe...@InfiniteSeries.Org>
wrote:

On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 11:55:38 -0800 (PST), bud-- <budn...@isp.com> wrote:

When they vaporize there will be less metal to condense on the
electrician.

Condense isn't even the right word, you utter fucking retard.

Spatter best fits, and has been in use for years, dumbfuck. It doesn't
condense. Yet another physical realm subject that you have no clue
about, or you would have chosen the proper word.

A serious arc flash releases far more energy than is needed to
vaporize busbars. The electrician I knew who was injured by an arc
flash had copper condense on his skin. He was treated for the copper.

You seem to have no concept of the magnitude of arc flash on high
capacity "low voltage" equipment. High capacity 480V switchgear can
burn down (without the fuses providing protection). And I have seen
the remains of a mere 208V service where some of the supply wires (4
or 6 parallel sets) burned back into the supply conduits.

Cat rated
meters are protected in the case a mere human tries to meter on the
wrong range.

Modern meters auto-range, you retarded, Chinese cheap shit fuckhead.

Doesn't help much when you are on amps or ohms ranges. But the high
capacity fuse in Cat rated meters provides protection.

Or, if you are less lucky, the failure can propagate back
to the switchgear.

You act like someone is throwing a 2 inch diameter Copper bar across
the taps. Sorry but the are no meters made that react like a 2 inch
Copper bar when they short an AC source. Perhaps you should re-examine
your claims.

It makes no difference if the arc was started by a copper bar or meter
leads. Once the plasma discharge starts you are in big trouble. The
arc discharge that injured the electrician I knew is thought to have
been started by an errant screw. After the event it certainly did not
exist.

You are dumber than I thought.

--
bud--

 

[Arlowe]

bud-- wrote on 29/01/2009 :

On Jan 27, 6:26 pm, Archimedes' Lever <OneBigLe...@InfiniteSeries.Org
wrote:
On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 11:55:38 -0800 (PST), bud-- <budn...@isp.com> wrote:

When they vaporize there will be less metal to condense on the
electrician.

Condense isn't even the right word, you utter fucking retard.

Spatter best fits, and has been in use for years, dumbfuck. It doesn't
condense. Yet another physical realm subject that you have no clue
about, or you would have chosen the proper word.

A serious arc flash releases far more energy than is needed to
vaporize busbars. The electrician I knew who was injured by an arc
flash had copper condense on his skin. He was treated for the copper.

You seem to have no concept of the magnitude of arc flash on high
capacity "low voltage" equipment. High capacity 480V switchgear can
burn down (without the fuses providing protection). And I have seen
the remains of a mere 208V service where some of the supply wires (4
or 6 parallel sets) burned back into the supply conduits.

Cat rated
meters are protected in the case a mere human tries to meter on the
wrong range.

Modern meters auto-range, you retarded, Chinese cheap shit fuckhead.

Doesn't help much when you are on amps or ohms ranges. But the high
capacity fuse in Cat rated meters provides protection.

Or, if you are less lucky, the failure can propagate back
to the switchgear.

You act like someone is throwing a 2 inch diameter Copper bar across
the taps. Sorry but the are no meters made that react like a 2 inch
Copper bar when they short an AC source. Perhaps you should re-examine
your claims.

It makes no difference if the arc was started by a copper bar or meter
leads. Once the plasma discharge starts you are in big trouble. The
arc discharge that injured the electrician I knew is thought to have
been started by an errant screw. After the event it certainly did not
exist.

You are dumber than I thought.

Correct.
An arc flash can reach temperatures as high as 19000 degrees celcius.
Air becomes plasma, plasma is conductive.
That temperature will instantly turn copper, steel or aluminum into
vapor.
The volume of the vaporized metals will expand to tens of thousands of
times their original volume almost instantly.
Result is an explosion.

 

[Archimedes' Lever]

On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 11:31:25 -0800 (PST), bud-- <budnews@isp.com> wrote:

A serious arc flash releases far more energy than is needed to
vaporize busbars. The electrician I knew who was injured by an arc
flash had copper condense on his skin. He was treated for the copper.

WATER "condenses" on a surface that is below the dew point, which is a
function of temperature and pressure.

Molten metal DOES NOT "condense" you totally retarded FUCK!

It SPATTERS, just like a ball of molten solder when you fling it.

AND NO, there was no "copper gas" that "condensed" on a goddamned
thing.

IT SPATTERED. PERIOD. He got molten metal SPLASHED (spattered) onto
him. GET A FUCKING CLUE!

Even an armor piercing tank round that send molten copper right through
solid hardened steel goes through as a LIQUID.

 

[Archimedes' Lever]

On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 11:31:25 -0800 (PST), bud-- <budnews@isp.com> wrote:

You seem to have no concept of the magnitude of arc flash on high
capacity "low voltage" equipment. High capacity 480V switchgear can
burn down (without the fuses providing protection). And I have seen
the remains of a mere 208V service where some of the supply wires (4
or 6 parallel sets) burned back into the supply conduits.

Yes. And the copper MELTS and SPATTERS, it does NOT "gasify" then
"condense", you clueless, make it up as you go twit.

 

[Archimedes' Lever]

On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 11:31:25 -0800 (PST), bud-- <budnews@isp.com> wrote:

Doesn't help much when you are on amps or ohms ranges.

If you are hooking up meters ACROSS a source on amps settings, you need
to have bad things happen to you to get you OUT of an industry you have
no business being in. Just like flying a passenger jet, there is no
margin for retarded mistakes, and to say that it just happens doesn't
mean that the person that does it is not dirt stupid as it relates to his
chosen field, REGARDLESS of any scores he got in his schooling of it.

But the high
capacity fuse in Cat rated meters provides protection.

ALL modern meters have cat ratings these days. D'Oh!

 

[Archimedes' Lever]

On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 11:31:25 -0800 (PST), bud-- <budnews@isp.com> wrote:

You are dumber than I thought.

You are EXACTLY just as retarded as I knew you to be. Condense that,
dumbfuck.

 

[bud--]

On Jan 28, 4:43 pm, Archimedes' Lever <OneBigLe...@InfiniteSeries.Org>
wrote:

On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 11:31:25 -0800 (PST), bud-- <budn...@isp.com> wrote:
You seem to have no concept of the magnitude of arc flash on high
capacity "low voltage" equipment. High capacity 480V switchgear can
burn down (without the fuses providing protection).

Yes. And the copper MELTS and SPATTERS, it does NOT "gasify" then
"condense", you clueless, make it up as you go twit.

Anyone who isn’t already familiar with arc flash may be interested in:
<http://www.mikeholt.com/mojonewsarchive/NEC-HTML/HTML/What-is-Arc-
Flash~20040512.php>
“This massive energy discharge burns the bus bars, vaporizing the
copper and thus causing an explosive volumetric increase, the arc
blast, conservatively estimated, as an expansion of 40,000 to 1. This
fiery explosion devastates everything in its path, creating deadly
shrapnel as it dissipates.”

Geez - that’s what Arlowe just wrote.
And what I said.

And vaporized copper will condense. Some of it can condense on an
electrician. Like the one I know that it happened to.

You have no clue what arc flash is.
Explosion. Searing hot gas, metal vapor and radiant heat. Shrapnel.
Blinding light. Deafening sound.

Doesn't help much when you are on amps or ohms ranges.

If you are hooking up meters ACROSS a source on amps settings, you need
to have bad things happen to you to get you OUT of an industry you have
no business being in.

Shit happens.

So do transients
Arlowe cites transients of over 3kV.
A Cat IV nominal 600V meter is protected for 8kV transients.

But the high
capacity fuse in Cat rated meters provides protection.

ALL modern meters have cat ratings these days. D'Oh!

Only in the alternate universe where you live.

You are stupid.
You do not know the limits of what you know.
You are not willing to learn.
Just like Roy.

--
bud--

 

[Archimedes' Lever]

On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 10:32:34 -0800 (PST), bud-- <budnews@isp.com> wrote:

“This massive energy discharge burns the bus bars, vaporizing the
copper and thus causing an explosive volumetric increase, the arc
blast, conservatively estimated, as an expansion of 40,000 to 1. This
fiery explosion devastates everything in its path, creating deadly
shrapnel as it dissipates.”

Any retarded twit that gets near power transmission lines with a
handheld meter deserves whatever he gets, regardless of the from it
takes.

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Arlowe wrote:

Archimedes' Lever explained :
On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 12:25:36 -0800 (PST), bud-- <budnews@isp.com> wrote:


It should be clear the discussion is about high available fault
current - the current you get when the source is short circuited.


Which is NOT a problem with ANY modern meter.

In other words, IDIOT... EVEN IF IT FLASHES IT WILL NOT CAUSE A HIGH
CURRENT INCIDENT.

Two simple premises, dopey fuck.

ONE: The meter leads are SMALL gauge! Do you even know what that
means?

TWO: WHERE is the short circuit, IDIOT!?

The problem is with transient voltage.
I have seen event logs with transients of over 3KV.

What duration? What was the source impedance?

That will blow that homemade heathkit meter to hell.

No, it won't. It might arc over in the input connector, but not
damage the circuitry. Heathkit hasn't sold meters in years, but they
were as rugged as anything else on the market if assembled properly.
They were used in TV shops for over 40 years in HV troubleshooting, and
were designed to handle short term transients. The capacitance of the
input cable would attenuate a spike that your banana plugged leads on a
Fluke wouldn't. You level of ignorance is showing.

If you are holding it you will continue life with a pair of stumps.

Only in your perverted dreams. If the surge would do that,
everything connected to that circuit would have already exploded.

You do not know anything about working with mains power...stick with
your radio shack electronics kit.

Radio Shack only sells microprocessor training kits. WTF does that
have to do with voltmeters? It appears that your ignorance is
boundless.

BTW, Heathkit had nothing to do with Radio Shack, but you seem to not
know the difference.

You need to stop posting to electrical engineering and design
newsgroups if you want to fool people about your 'knowledge level'.


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[Michael A. Terrell]

bud-- wrote:

On Jan 27, 12:14 am, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net
wrote:
bud-- wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Is it a phantom voltage?

Easy enough to identify.

Even easier for Arloe.

Proof that its easier for him?

The appropriate tools start with a well trained brain. Otherwise,
you are a monkey throwing crap at the problem.

How fortunate that Arloe and Stewart and I are well educated and know
what we are doing.

Sure you are. Yet you can't figure out how to do it without a dumbed
down tool.

It’s the favorite nobody-knows-anything-but-Michael argument.

Not the issue, of course. Any tool can be used. The question is what
is appropriate and efficient. High z meters do not help you on power
circuits, but you can use what you want. Arloe is entirely reasonable
to use a low z meter.

You are starting to sound like your hero, the cut & paste 'surge
protector W_Tom'.

Arloe can use anything he wants to. No one else cares, but a lot of
what he posts is old wives tales.


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[Arlowe]

Michael A. Terrell submitted this idea :

Arlowe wrote:

Archimedes' Lever explained :
On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 12:25:36 -0800 (PST), bud-- <budnews@isp.com> wrote:


It should be clear the discussion is about high available fault
current - the current you get when the source is short circuited.


Which is NOT a problem with ANY modern meter.

In other words, IDIOT... EVEN IF IT FLASHES IT WILL NOT CAUSE A HIGH
CURRENT INCIDENT.

Two simple premises, dopey fuck.

ONE: The meter leads are SMALL gauge! Do you even know what that
means?

TWO: WHERE is the short circuit, IDIOT!?

The problem is with transient voltage.
I have seen event logs with transients of over 3KV.


What duration? What was the source impedance?


That will blow that homemade heathkit meter to hell.


No, it won't. It might arc over in the input connector, but not
damage the circuitry. Heathkit hasn't sold meters in years, but they
were as rugged as anything else on the market if assembled properly.
They were used in TV shops for over 40 years in HV troubleshooting, and
were designed to handle short term transients. The capacitance of the
input cable would attenuate a spike that your banana plugged leads on a
Fluke wouldn't. You level of ignorance is showing.


If you are holding it you will continue life with a pair of stumps.


Only in your perverted dreams. If the surge would do that,
everything connected to that circuit would have already exploded.
*Laughing at your stupid retort*

A distribution panel isn't a fucking PCB..
The fault currents on some supply circuits can be 10s of thousands of
amps. If you short that circuit a massive plasma ball will imediately
follow.
Now, do you know how to determine if you have the correct protection
against that happening?

You do not know anything about working with mains power...stick with
your radio shack electronics kit.


Radio Shack only sells microprocessor training kits. WTF does that
have to do with voltmeters? It appears that your ignorance is
boundless.

Don't play stupid, you know exactly what I mean.

BTW, Heathkit had nothing to do with Radio Shack, but you seem to not
know the difference.

You need to stop posting to electrical engineering and design
newsgroups if you want to fool people about your 'knowledge level'.

I don't think you know how to read...
Where did I say anything about Heathkit being radioshack?

regarding alt.engineering.electrical
I didn't cross post to it... I posted it in that group.
Trying to fool anyone????
You are joking, right?

 

[Archimedes' Lever]

On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 20:08:51 +1100, Arlowe <bare.arsed@gmail.com> wrote:

Michael A. Terrell submitted this idea :
Arlowe wrote:

Archimedes' Lever explained :
On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 12:25:36 -0800 (PST), bud-- <budnews@isp.com> wrote:


It should be clear the discussion is about high available fault
current - the current you get when the source is short circuited.


Which is NOT a problem with ANY modern meter.

In other words, IDIOT... EVEN IF IT FLASHES IT WILL NOT CAUSE A HIGH
CURRENT INCIDENT.

Two simple premises, dopey fuck.

ONE: The meter leads are SMALL gauge! Do you even know what that
means?

TWO: WHERE is the short circuit, IDIOT!?

The problem is with transient voltage.
I have seen event logs with transients of over 3KV.


What duration? What was the source impedance?


That will blow that homemade heathkit meter to hell.


No, it won't. It might arc over in the input connector, but not
damage the circuitry. Heathkit hasn't sold meters in years, but they
were as rugged as anything else on the market if assembled properly.
They were used in TV shops for over 40 years in HV troubleshooting, and
were designed to handle short term transients. The capacitance of the
input cable would attenuate a spike that your banana plugged leads on a
Fluke wouldn't. You level of ignorance is showing.


If you are holding it you will continue life with a pair of stumps.


Only in your perverted dreams. If the surge would do that,
everything connected to that circuit would have already exploded.
*Laughing at your stupid retort*
A distribution panel isn't a fucking PCB..
The fault currents on some supply circuits can be 10s of thousands of
amps. If you short that circuit a massive plasma ball will imediately
follow.
Now, do you know how to determine if you have the correct protection
against that happening?



You do not know anything about working with mains power...stick with
your radio shack electronics kit.


Radio Shack only sells microprocessor training kits. WTF does that
have to do with voltmeters? It appears that your ignorance is
boundless.

Don't play stupid, you know exactly what I mean.

You obviously cannot read, as I will soon point out more clearly.

BTW, Heathkit had nothing to do with Radio Shack, but you seem to not
know the difference.

You need to stop posting to electrical engineering and design
newsgroups if you want to fool people about your 'knowledge level'.

I don't think you know how to read...
Where did I say anything about Heathkit being radioshack?

He was not talking to you, IDIOT! He responded to someone else's post.
Hard to believe that you can be that retarded from a giganews hook.

regarding alt.engineering.electrical
I didn't cross post to it... I posted it in that group.
Trying to fool anyone????
You are joking, right?

Again, dumbfuck, he wasn't talking to you. Learn how to read next
time. Then learn how to read STANDARD Usenet quote attributions.

Then, MAYBE you will begin to garner a clue.

 

[Arlowe]

Michael A. Terrell formulated the question :

bud-- wrote:

On Jan 27, 12:14 am, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net
wrote:
bud-- wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Is it a phantom voltage?

Easy enough to identify.

Even easier for Arloe.


Proof that its easier for him?


The appropriate tools start with a well trained brain. Otherwise,
you are a monkey throwing crap at the problem.
How fortunate that Arloe and Stewart and I are well educated and know
what we are doing.

Sure you are. Yet you can't figure out how to do it without a dumbed
down tool.

It’s the favorite nobody-knows-anything-but-Michael argument.

Not the issue, of course. Any tool can be used. The question is what
is appropriate and efficient. High z meters do not help you on power
circuits, but you can use what you want. Arloe is entirely reasonable
to use a low z meter.


You are starting to sound like your hero, the cut & paste 'surge
protector W_Tom'.

Arloe can use anything he wants to. No one else cares, but a lot of
what he posts is old wives tales.

Bullshit. Prove me wrong.

It is not uncommon to read mains voltage, not some BS 83VAC like some
have referred to, but MAINS VOLTAGE on a conductor that is isolated.

When you have a panel where the active cables are segregated form the
neutrals, you can get very strong, alternating magnetic fields
depending on the current draw.

If you put an isolated cable in that field you will measure voltage on
that cable with a DMM. An electrician can not rely on reading an
"incorrect" voltage as an assurance that the cable is dead. He has to
be able to PROVE IT.
Some will use an analog meter, I don't, I use test lamps that have the
correct CAT rating for the enviroment. I follow up by testing my lamps
on a "known supply" ie. a supply that I verified live before I
performed any testing, just to prove the test lamps are functionimg as
intended.

Call it crude, I don't give a fuck, it works, it is failsafe and it is
fast.

 

[Lostgallifreyan]

bud-- <budnews@isp.com> wrote in news:e5611cbd-ea3c-4de1-88dc-
1dc50bfb95c9@v18g2000pro.googlegroups.com:

Yes. And the copper MELTS and SPATTERS, it does NOT "gasify" then
"condense", you clueless, make it up as you go twit.

He whom I killfiled long ago is persistently reminding me why I killfiled
him. And he's wrong. And when he gets a fine red-gold-black coating across
his face sometime he'll know how wrong he is.

And vaporized copper will condense. Some of it can condense on an
electrician. Like the one I know that it happened to.

You have no clue what arc flash is.
Explosion. Searing hot gas, metal vapor and radiant heat. Shrapnel.
Blinding light. Deafening sound.

That's about the size of it. It only happened to me once, and it wasn't even
that big, it was just the ends of some 100A cables burning back from a
contact, lasting about half of a second. I'm a civilian, but that's about as
close I know to the experience of being shot at by live rounds at close
range. It's a deeply shocking experience, it makes reactions poor, instead of
reversing the move that caused the event, a stunned brain only registers a
failure and retries the SAME move! Never mine autonomous seizure in case of
electric shock, neural shock DOES this without the added woe of electrical
contact. It took a real effort of will to override my body's false
assumptions and prevent a third blast, and it taught me something of what
soldiers have to learn to do in combat, so they respond correctly. I'm lucky
I remained standing and didn't shit myself, and equally lucky I have good
eyesight remaining after being flashed at and coated with enough copper to
make my eyes sting for days. If the whole cable had gone up it would have
probably slammed me against the wall and broken my spine and fractured my
skull. As it was the sound was like the most brutal and guttural swearing, it
carries an emotional weight as well as just being very loud. I know this is
just the brain trying to rationalise its experience, but that's my point,
even in mild form like that one, arc flash at many tens of amps is a STRONG
experience.

I had a lesser one that did nothing to me, but still shows the power. It was
two fully charged industrial deep cycle 105AH 12V lead acid batteries in
parallel. I managed to let one wire drift and gently pass its end across the
side of another one, and there was no resistance, just a complete destruction
as one passed through the space occupied by the other. In this case the arc
was just weak enough that some sputtering occured instead of total
plasmafication, but there was a lot less copper bits than were eaten out of
the cable, so even there, most turned to separate molecules of copper oxide
and vanished in the ambient airflow.

I wrote this because I'm annoyed with the claim and counterclaim, flame and
counterflame. It's MY experience, and no-one, whatever they say, is going to
be able to contradict it. Hopefully no-one's going to try.

I know that a high resistance input can be interpreted across a known load,
but I also know enough not to argue against assertions that meters made to do
this are both safer and more convenient. I just use a Fluke meter and some
load I have to use if needed, but I don't have to do this every day. If I
did, I'd make it pay for the meters that do it as I'd need it done.

 

[Arlowe]

on 30/01/2009, Archimedes' Lever supposed :

On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 20:08:51 +1100, Arlowe <bare.arsed@gmail.com> wrote:

Michael A. Terrell submitted this idea :
Arlowe wrote:

Archimedes' Lever explained :
On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 12:25:36 -0800 (PST), bud-- <budnews@isp.com> wrote:


It should be clear the discussion is about high available fault
current - the current you get when the source is short circuited.


Which is NOT a problem with ANY modern meter.

In other words, IDIOT... EVEN IF IT FLASHES IT WILL NOT CAUSE A HIGH
CURRENT INCIDENT.

Two simple premises, dopey fuck.

ONE: The meter leads are SMALL gauge! Do you even know what that
means?

TWO: WHERE is the short circuit, IDIOT!?

The problem is with transient voltage.
I have seen event logs with transients of over 3KV.


What duration? What was the source impedance?


That will blow that homemade heathkit meter to hell.


No, it won't. It might arc over in the input connector, but not
damage the circuitry. Heathkit hasn't sold meters in years, but they
were as rugged as anything else on the market if assembled properly.
They were used in TV shops for over 40 years in HV troubleshooting, and
were designed to handle short term transients. The capacitance of the
input cable would attenuate a spike that your banana plugged leads on a
Fluke wouldn't. You level of ignorance is showing.


If you are holding it you will continue life with a pair of stumps.


Only in your perverted dreams. If the surge would do that,
everything connected to that circuit would have already exploded.
*Laughing at your stupid retort*
A distribution panel isn't a fucking PCB..
The fault currents on some supply circuits can be 10s of thousands of
amps. If you short that circuit a massive plasma ball will imediately
follow.
Now, do you know how to determine if you have the correct protection
against that happening?



You do not know anything about working with mains power...stick with
your radio shack electronics kit.


Radio Shack only sells microprocessor training kits. WTF does that
have to do with voltmeters? It appears that your ignorance is
boundless.

Don't play stupid, you know exactly what I mean.

You obviously cannot read, as I will soon point out more clearly.

BTW, Heathkit had nothing to do with Radio Shack, but you seem to not
know the difference.

You need to stop posting to electrical engineering and design
newsgroups if you want to fool people about your 'knowledge level'.

I don't think you know how to read...
Where did I say anything about Heathkit being radioshack?

He was not talking to you, IDIOT! He responded to someone else's post.
Hard to believe that you can be that retarded from a giganews hook.

regarding alt.engineering.electrical
I didn't cross post to it... I posted it in that group.
Trying to fool anyone????
You are joking, right?


Again, dumbfuck, he wasn't talking to you. Learn how to read next
time. Then learn how to read STANDARD Usenet quote attributions.

Then, MAYBE you will begin to garner a clue.

Follow the thread tree idiot.
You really should stop posting...you make an even bigger fool of
yourself (is that possible???) every time you do.

BTW> I will not respond to you anymore.
1. you are an arrogant arsehole.
2. you don't know what you are talking about.
3. you are an usenet tough guy ( a real world pussy)
4. you are really. really boring...

now, go stalk the Roy creature...it seems to be you favorite pastime

 

[Corbomite Carrie]

On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 20:50:26 +1100, Arlowe <bare.arsed@gmail.com> wrote:

BTW> I will not respond to you anymore.

Like I give a fat flying fuck, you retarded little twit.

1. you are an arrogant arsehole.

No. I hate dumbshits like you.

2. you don't know what you are talking about.

Your E-1 grade, gang boy retard assessments have zero credence.

3. you are an usenet tough guy ( a real world pussy)

Your E-1 grade, gang boy retard assessments have zero credence.

4. you are really. really boring...

Your E-1 grade, gang boy retard assessments have zero credence.

now, go stalk the Roy creature...it seems to be you favorite pastime

Maybe in your next life you will not be even more retarded than Roy is.

 

[bud--]

On Jan 29, 7:38 pm, Archimedes' Lever <OneBigLe...@InfiniteSeries.Org>
wrote:

On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 10:32:34 -0800 (PST), bud-- <budn...@isp.com> wrote:

“This massive energy discharge burns the bus bars, vaporizing the
copper and thus causing an explosive volumetric increase, the arc
blast, conservatively estimated, as an expansion of40,000to 1. This
fiery explosion devastates everything in its path, creating deadly
shrapnel as it dissipates.”

Any retarded twit that gets near power transmission lines with a
handheld meter deserves whatever he gets, regardless of the from it
takes.

How surprising. You still have no idea what arc flash is.

The thread is about "low voltage" - below 600V (particularly 480V for
the US).

The quote above is about "low voltage" as is the source article.

You are still stupid.
And do not know the limits of what you know.
And not willing to learn.

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bud---

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Arlowe wrote:

Michael A. Terrell submitted this idea :
Arlowe wrote:

Archimedes' Lever explained :
On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 12:25:36 -0800 (PST), bud-- <budnews@isp.com> wrote:


It should be clear the discussion is about high available fault
current - the current you get when the source is short circuited.


Which is NOT a problem with ANY modern meter.

In other words, IDIOT... EVEN IF IT FLASHES IT WILL NOT CAUSE A HIGH
CURRENT INCIDENT.

Two simple premises, dopey fuck.

ONE: The meter leads are SMALL gauge! Do you even know what that
means?

TWO: WHERE is the short circuit, IDIOT!?

The problem is with transient voltage.
I have seen event logs with transients of over 3KV.


What duration? What was the source impedance?


That will blow that homemade heathkit meter to hell.


No, it won't. It might arc over in the input connector, but not
damage the circuitry. Heathkit hasn't sold meters in years, but they
were as rugged as anything else on the market if assembled properly.
They were used in TV shops for over 40 years in HV troubleshooting, and
were designed to handle short term transients. The capacitance of the
input cable would attenuate a spike that your banana plugged leads on a
Fluke wouldn't. You level of ignorance is showing.


If you are holding it you will continue life with a pair of stumps.


Only in your perverted dreams. If the surge would do that,
everything connected to that circuit would have already exploded.
*Laughing at your stupid retort*
A distribution panel isn't a fucking PCB..

Sigh. Where did I say it was?

The fault currents on some supply circuits can be 10s of thousands of
amps. If you short that circuit a massive plasma ball will imediately
follow.

I've seen plenty of plasma balls, some generated by direct lightning
strikes that vaporized rebar and exploded concrete from walls. Others
that blew outlets out of walls.

Old residential Circuit breakers are rated to handle 10,000 amp
surge.

Now, do you know how to determine if you have the correct protection
against that happening?

Sigh. You are full of yourself. Proper protection? A safe and well
planned facility, proper training and paying attention to what you are
doing id the best protection. Anything less is suicide. Have you ever
stood inside a transmitter, on the HV power supply while it is on the
air, to make adjustments?

You do not know anything about working with mains power...stick with
your radio shack electronics kit.


Radio Shack only sells microprocessor training kits. WTF does that
have to do with voltmeters? It appears that your ignorance is
boundless.

Don't play stupid, you know exactly what I mean.

No, I don't. You make broad, meaningless posts, and expect people to
read your small mind. Heathkit still exists, but they sell training for
the computer industry. Radio Shack dropped their crappy P-box kits
decades ago, yet you talk like both are still in the hobby kit market.

BTW, Heathkit had nothing to do with Radio Shack, but you seem to not
know the difference.

You need to stop posting to electrical engineering and design
newsgroups if you want to fool people about your 'knowledge level'.

I don't think you know how to read...
Where did I say anything about Heathkit being radioshack?

You are referring to them interchangeably. Read what you wrote.
BTW, my Heathkit meters would read 30 to KV safely, and had an 1100
Megaohm (1.1 Gigaohm) input impedance. How high does your Fluke go?

regarding alt.engineering.electrical
I didn't cross post to it... I posted it in that group.
Trying to fool anyone????

No. your'
e a big enough fool that you don't need the help

You are joking, right?

Why bother? You are a joke.



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