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[Jim Thompson]

On Sun, 9 Jan 2005 17:49:49 -0800, "Richard Henry" <rphenry@home.com>
wrote:

"Clarence_A" <no@No.com> wrote in message
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Also, previous reports all showed the rise (which usually proceeds
an ICE age,

I did not know that.

Please provide the temperature records for the periods preceding the last
three ice ages.

Sno-o-o-o-o-rt ;-)

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
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I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

 

[Clarence_A]

"John Woodgate" <jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote in message
news:73Er7uCnWV4BFwq6@jmwa.demon.co.uk...

I read in sci.electronics.design that bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote
(in
1105279561.755186.107750@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com&gt about
'OT: Wild
Weather', on Sun, 9 Jan 2005:
Clarence provides yet another example of his failure to
UNDERSTAND what
he reads - he thinks I can't spell, presumably because
"Zeeland" - which
is the Dutch spelling - differs from "Zealand", but has failed
to note
that examples in the link are all given in Latin, and what he
is
objecting to is normal transliteration.

It is also the case that the Danish island is 'Sjaelland' in
Danish, and
is not pronounced like 'Ze(a)land', even though the meaning is
'sea
land'.

Perhaps, but you also may not be correct. I can admit to not
interpreting the screwed up spelling correctly, Can you?

 

[Mark Borgerson]

In article <bW8Ed.8654$wZ2.5655@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>, no@No.com
says...

"Don Klipstein" wrote
Jim Thompson wrote:
See...
http://www.analog-innovations.com/Musings/Funnel.gif

(I see as a result a somewhat photogenic thunderstorm scene
whose most
"tornadic" feature appears to be to be a non-tornadic feature
known as
a "tail cloud", and "tail clouds" are a non-tornado feature
supposedly
more common in thunderstorm scenes supposedly somewhat favorable
to
tornadoes!)
I put this into my favorite web browser, and wait things
out...
Meanwhile, I want to remind "the world" that most "arid" parts
of
Arizona USA are barely/hardly so, and a majority of the USA's
"desert
southwest" is barely "arid". Much of that little region of this
planet
gets enough rainfall so as to not be in some sand-dune region,
but
something a little more humid - the ground there evidences
evidence that
it rains there, even if a truly soaking rainfall almost deserves
a
holiday!
How about much of the "desert" portion of the USA not being
really arid
sand-covered desert, but a majority of the USA's "southwest"
desert area
has its surfrace being "desert pavement" - as in soil usually
dried and
cracked into a "cracked"/"crackled" soil-with-cracks, sometimes
with a
pattern that can approach being hexagonal! As opposed to being
swept or
buried in sand or sand-dunes!
How about a significant part of the USA's "desert southwest"
having a
mid-late summer humidity season that much of that region calls a
"monsoon"? How about the rainfall of an average July in Phoenix
being
almost a month's worth of rain in Philadelphia?! How about
Phoenix having > humidity in the month or two of "monsoon season"
being around 20,
sometimes approaching to around 30 percent at time of high
temperature
(mid-upper 90's degrees F or roughly 34-37 degrees C) - with
humidity
close to 30% at time of high temperature, higher at other times
of the
day and over 70% when nighttime temperature is near or over 79
degrees F
(26 degrees C)!
...Jim Thompson
- Don Klipastein (don@misty.com)

So from your exposition, it is clear you have never been in
Arizona?
So what are you going to remind us of that you are unaware of
except for a generalization from the internet? Where are you
anyway?

The Desert is described as a "Sonora Desert" and the area gets to
as much as 120 degrees 'F' or more in the shade in some summers.
Although the "Official" temperature taken in the airports nice
field of green is always less. I have seldom seen any "desert
pavement" since most of the native areas are a combination of
sand, soil, gravel and rock. The native plants are Cactus, sage,
Palo-Verde and Yucca. With a scattering of Tamarack, Creosote, and
other plants which require little water.

Summer dust storms often hide small tornados, and there are
frequent "Dust Devils" almost anytime. Small twisters which only
stir up the dust.

In the Winter there are tourists, (Snow Birds) in the summer not
as many!

Quote:
Average Weather
What can we say about Phoenix? It's a desert. It's steaming hot in
the summer. It's milder in the winter (highs in the 60s and 70s),
providing a great escape for true winter refugees. The
temperatures rise upwards of 115 degrees in the summer. Don't
worry about the humidity though, there is none. You don't really
sweat too much out in the desert, but don't let that fool you.
It's essential to drink plenty of water. Nearly every restaurant
and public area is air-conditioned during the summer so you'll
find a bit of refuge from the heat. Phoenix averages 300 sunny
days and 7 inches of precipitation annually.

Doesn't "steaming hot" sort of contradict "Don't worry about
the hunmidity, though, there is none"? ;-)

I spent about 7 weeks of the last year working in Eloy---between
Phoenix and Tucson. I must confess that the June and August
weeks were uncomfortably hot while sitting out in the drop zone
waiting for the autonomously guided parachutes to fall from the
sky. OTOH, I think it was the May trip where I had to slow
to 40 on the freeway due to heavy rains---which caused flooding
in the streets near my sister's home north of Phoenix. I think
I personally witnessed one of those 7 inches of precipitation.

Climate is what you wish you had---weather is what you get.

Mark Borgerson

 

[Don Klipstein]

In <bW8Ed.8654$wZ2.5655@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>, Clarence_A wrote:

"Don Klipstein" wrote

Meanwhile, I want to remind "the world" that most "arid" parts of
Arizona USA are barely/hardly so, and a majority of the USA's >"desert
southwest" is barely "arid". Much of that little region of this planet
gets enough rainfall so as to not be in some sand-dune region, but
something a little more humid -

How about much of the "desert" portion of the USA not being really
arid sand-covered desert, but a majority of the USA's "southwest" desert
area has its surfrace being "desert pavement" - as in soil usually

How about a significant part of the USA's "desert southwest" having a
mid-late summer humidity season that much of that region calls a
"monsoon"? How about the rainfall of an average July in Phoenix being
almost a month's worth of rain in Philadelphia?! How about Phoenix
having > humidity in the month or two of "monsoon season" being around 20,
sometimes approaching to around 30 percent at time of high temperature
(mid-upper 90's degrees F or roughly 34-37 degrees C) - with humidity
close to 30% at time of high temperature, higher at other times of the
day and over 70% when nighttime temperature is near or over 79 degrees F

So from your exposition, it is clear you have never been in Arizona?
So what are you going to remind us of that you are unaware of
except for a generalization from the internet? Where are you
anyway?

Philadelphia!

Meanwhile, what I said was what I remembered from books... I was never
actually there.

I do pay attention to weather figures, in addition to the relative
humidity at the time of highest temperature on bad hot days in humid areas
(like Philadelphia!) being much less than the morningtime figures that
most people remember...

It does look like I misremembered the summer figures for Phoenix a
little...

The Desert is described as a "Sonora Desert" and the area gets to
as much as 120 degrees 'F' or more in the shade in some summers.
Although the "Official" temperature taken in the airports nice
field of green is always less. I have seldom seen any "desert
pavement" since most of the native areas are a combination of
sand, soil, gravel and rock. The native plants are Cactus, sage,
Palo-Verde and Yucca. With a scattering of Tamarack, Creosote, and
other plants which require little water.

I forgot about rocks, gravel, outright soil, etc. but I still remember
reading that most of the USA's desert southwest is not sand dunes like the
Gobi or much of the Sahara.

Summer dust storms often hide small tornados,

I doubt tornaodes but something else, maybe a "gustnado" or something
similar to a "gustnado". Tornadoes form from thunderstorms or large
cumulus or cumulonimbus clouds that are almost thunderstorms.

and there are frequent "Dust Devils" almost anytime. Small twisters
which only stir up the dust.

In the Winter there are tourists, (Snow Birds) in the summer not
as many!

Quote:
Average Weather
What can we say about Phoenix? It's a desert. It's steaming hot in
the summer. It's milder in the winter (highs in the 60s and 70s),
providing a great escape for true winter refugees. The
temperatures rise upwards of 115 degrees in the summer.

I just checked out:

http://www.weathersmith.com/index.html?Climate/WsPhoenixSkyClim.html

(some climatological data for Sky Harbor airport)

Looks like I did misremember the average July rainfall of Phoenix -
looks like about .9 inch (and 1 inch in August) and I thought it was about
3 inches.

I thought average July high temp. in Phoenix was upper 90's F and
average June high temp. was slightly over 100. This page says about 106
for July and 103.5 for June...

Maybe I was thinking of the figures for Tucson (did not just recheck) -
a little cooler in July than Phoenix, but according to a friend of mine
who lived there they are even drier in July than Phoenix even though this
"summer monsoon season" is mentioned there as well as at Phoenix.

And that page says that due to massive building there, the recent year
temperature figures (they say 1988-2002) are higher than in the more
distant past.

Then again, according to
http://www.ehleringer.net/Biology_5460/Projects/climatedata/globalwarming4.pdf
the average July high temperature in Phoenix from 1950-1969 was about 104
degrees F.

(That paper appears to make a case for global warming based on Phoenix
temperatures, as far as I can tell from reading it very briefly. Urban
buildup appears to me more likely, especially since I remember a computer
projection of global warming predicting Arizona would mostly get slightly
cooler while the planet as a whole gets warmer.)

Highest temperature for the year 2002 was 113, despite that year being
top in the 1988-2002 period for days in a year with 110-plus degrees F.

-----------------------------------

The 122 degree F reading for June 26 1990 at Sky harbor Airport I do
remember reading in USA Today as being an all time record high temperature
for Phoenix. The record for the entire state of Arizona is 128 degrees F
and at an elevation more than 600 feet lower than Sky Harbor airport, which
makes me think the air above the desert away from the "green" airport does
not get 10 degrees hotter than the air at the airport.

-----------------------------------

I remember reading in a newspaper that official temperature readings are
taken 4 feet above the ground. That article did say the ground can get
cooler at night, and they mentioned a figure of 4 degrees cooler which I
believe is not the maximum possible temperature difference between the
ground and the air 4 feet above the ground. Obviously the ground and
air closer to the ground gets hotter when the sun is heating the ground.

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

 

[Don Klipstein]

In <bW8Ed.8654$wZ2.5655@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>, Clarence_A wrote:

"Don Klipstein" wrote

Meanwhile, I want to remind "the world" that most "arid" parts of
Arizona USA are barely/hardly so, and a majority of the USA's >"desert
southwest" is barely "arid". Much of that little region of this planet
gets enough rainfall so as to not be in some sand-dune region, but
something a little more humid -

How about much of the "desert" portion of the USA not being really
arid sand-covered desert, but a majority of the USA's "southwest" desert
area has its surfrace being "desert pavement" - as in soil usually

How about a significant part of the USA's "desert southwest" having a
mid-late summer humidity season that much of that region calls a
"monsoon"? How about the rainfall of an average July in Phoenix being
almost a month's worth of rain in Philadelphia?! How about Phoenix
having > humidity in the month or two of "monsoon season" being around 20,
sometimes approaching to around 30 percent at time of high temperature
(mid-upper 90's degrees F or roughly 34-37 degrees C) - with humidity
close to 30% at time of high temperature, higher at other times of the
day and over 70% when nighttime temperature is near or over 79 degrees F

So from your exposition, it is clear you have never been in Arizona?
So what are you going to remind us of that you are unaware of
except for a generalization from the internet? Where are you
anyway?

Philadelphia!

Meanwhile, what I said was what I remembered from books... I was never
actually there.

I do pay attention to weather figures, in addition to the relative
humidity at the time of highest temperature on bad hot days in humid areas
(like Philadelphia!) being much less than the morningtime figures that
most people remember...

It does look like I misremembered the summer figures for Phoenix a
little...

The Desert is described as a "Sonora Desert" and the area gets to
as much as 120 degrees 'F' or more in the shade in some summers.
Although the "Official" temperature taken in the airports nice
field of green is always less. I have seldom seen any "desert
pavement" since most of the native areas are a combination of
sand, soil, gravel and rock. The native plants are Cactus, sage,
Palo-Verde and Yucca. With a scattering of Tamarack, Creosote, and
other plants which require little water.

I forgot about rocks, gravel, outright soil, etc. but I still remember
reading that most of the USA's desert southwest is not sand dunes like the
Gobi or much of the Sahara.

Summer dust storms often hide small tornados,

I doubt tornaodes but something else, maybe a "gustnado" or something
similar to a "gustnado". Tornadoes form from thunderstorms or large
cumulus or cumulonimbus clouds that are almost thunderstorms.

and there are frequent "Dust Devils" almost anytime. Small twisters
which only stir up the dust.

In the Winter there are tourists, (Snow Birds) in the summer not
as many!

Quote:
Average Weather
What can we say about Phoenix? It's a desert. It's steaming hot in
the summer. It's milder in the winter (highs in the 60s and 70s),
providing a great escape for true winter refugees. The
temperatures rise upwards of 115 degrees in the summer.

I just checked out:

http://www.weathersmith.com/index.html?Climate/WsPhoenixSkyClim.html

(some climatological data for Sky Harbor airport)

Looks like I did misremember the average July rainfall of Phoenix -
looks like about .9 inch (and 1 inch in August) and I thought it was about
3 inches.

I thought average July high temp. in Phoenix was upper 90's F and
average June high temp. was slightly over 100. This page says about 106
for July and 103.5 for June...

And that page says that due to massive building there, the recent year
temperature figures (they say 1988-2002) are higher than in the more
distant past.

Maybe I was thinking of the figures for Tucson (did not just recheck) -
a little cooler in July than Phoenix, but according to a friend of mine
who lived there they are even drier in July than Phoenix even though this
"summer monsoon season" is mentioned there as well as at Phoenix.
(Flagstaff is much wetter and also mentioned in USA Today as never
reaching 100 degrees F - possibly a rainfall figure in my mind belonged to
Flagstaff!)

Then again, according to
http://www.ehleringer.net/Biology_5460/Projects/climatedata/globalwarming4.pdf
the average July high temperature in Phoenix from 1950-1969 was about 104
degrees F.

Highest temperature for the year 2002 was 113 according to the
above-mentioned page with Sky Harbor Airport data, despite that year being
top in the 1988-2002 period for days in a year with 110-plus degrees F.

-----------------------------------

The 122 degree F reading for June 26 1990 at Sky harbor Airport I do
remember reading in USA Today as being an all time record high temperature
for Phoenix. The record for the entire state of Arizona is 128 degrees F
and at an elevation more than 600 feet lower than Sky Harbor airport, which
makes me think the air above the desert away from the "green" airport does
not get 10 degrees hotter than the air at the airport.

-----------------------------------

I remember reading in a newspaper that official temperature readings are
taken 4 feet above the ground. That article did say the ground can get
cooler at night, and they mentioned a figure of 4 degrees cooler which I
believe is not the maximum possible temperature difference between the
ground and the air 4 feet above the ground. Obviously the ground and
air closer to the ground gets hotter when the sun is heating the ground.

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

 

[Ken Taylor]

"Mark Borgerson" <mborgerson.at.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1c4b9eea9cc8fb40989685@news.comcast.giganews.com...

In article <ii1Ed.6187$mo2.421491@news.xtra.co.nz>, ken@home.nz says...
"Spehro Pefhany" <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote in message
news:5331u015s7ueej9equ1e1tmr01sj32dik7@4ax.com...
On Sun, 09 Jan 2005 00:43:35 GMT, the renowned "Clarence_A"
no@No.com> wrote:


"Rich Grise" <richgrise@example.net> wrote in message

So, where in the world is the original Zealand?

The largest island of Denmark and the site of Copenhagen

Can't use Google?


Zeeland is a province of the Netherlands. That is the origin of the
name.


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany

It must piss down rain there all the time too. Or maybe Tasman saw the
fjords and the glaciers and thought it was pretty neat.

Perhaps---but why he would name an area with such magnificent topography
after an area that basically as flat as a board remains a mystery!

Mark Borgerson


I guess "in honour of", rather than "reminds me of".....

Ken

 

[Clarence_A]

"Don Klipstein" wrote

Clarence_A wrote:
"Don Klipstein" wrote
snip

Philadelphia!

Ah! Great weather there, I am sure! But I have only been there
once, and it was summer. I can't really comment. Couldn't see
much in the rain.

Meanwhile, what I said was what I remembered from books... I
was never
actually there.

I do pay attention to weather figures, in addition to the
relative
humidity at the time of highest temperature on bad hot days in
humid areas > (like Philadelphia!) being much less than the

morningtime figures that

most people remember...

It does look like I misremembered the summer figures for
Phoenix a
little...

snip

I forgot about rocks, gravel, outright soil, etc. but I still
remember
reading that most of the USA's desert southwest is not sand
dunes like the
Gobi or much of the Sahara.

True, and it was found that Camels couldn't be much use since the
rocks hurt their feet. A guy known as "Hi-Jolly" brought camels
there to train for the army. No luck with it.

Summer dust storms often hide small tornados,

I doubt tornadoes but something else, maybe a "gustnado" or
something
similar to a "gustnado". Tornadoes form from thunderstorms or
large
cumulus or cumulonimbus clouds that are almost thunderstorms.

These tear up houses, snap power poles like toothpicks, and rip
off roofs and scatter fences. There have been places where a house
was totally demolished and the next door place was nearly
untouched. The Weather people call them Tornados, and the damage
I've seen would confirm the destructive force. No, they are not
as big as those in the Midwest, and that may cause some confusion.
But when one truck is lifted clear of the ground and tossed off
the road in front of you on the freeway, you believe. Personally
when there is a dust storm, I hide!

and there are frequent "Dust Devils" almost anytime. Small
twisters
which only stir up the dust.
In the Winter there are tourists, (Snow Birds) in the summer
not
as many!

Quote:
Average Weather
What can we say about Phoenix? It's a desert. It's steaming hot
in
the summer. It's milder in the winter (highs in the 60s and
70s),
providing a great escape for true winter refugees. The
temperatures rise upwards of 115 degrees in the summer.

I just checked out:


http://www.weathersmith.com/index.html?Climate/WsPhoenixSkyClim.html

(some climatological data for Sky Harbor airport)

Looks like I did misremember the average July rainfall of
Phoenix -
looks like about .9 inch (and 1 inch in August) and I thought it
was about
3 inches.

I thought average July high temp. in Phoenix was upper 90's F
and
average June high temp. was slightly over 100. This page says
about 106
for July and 103.5 for June...

And that page says that due to massive building there, the
recent year
temperature figures (they say 1988-2002) are higher than in the
more
distant past.

IMO That is the entire basis of the entire Global warming
hypothesis.

Maybe I was thinking of the figures for Tucson (did not just
recheck) -
a little cooler in July than Phoenix, but according to a friend
of mine
who lived there they are even drier in July than Phoenix even
though this
"summer monsoon season" is mentioned there as well as at
Phoenix.
(Flagstaff is much wetter and also mentioned in USA Today as
never
reaching 100 degrees F - possibly a rainfall figure in my mind
belonged to
Flagstaff!)

The term "summer monsoon season" is misleading. It refers to a
condition, not the actual rain, or even the humidity. It is
customarily VERY dry in the summer months. The local joke it that
when the weathermen measure the rain in Phoenix, they report the
distance between the drops hitting the surface. So it the drops
are three inches apart, we had a three inch rain fall.

Then again, according to
http://www.ehleringer.net/Biology_5460/Projects/climatedata/globalwarming4.pdf
the average July high temperature in Phoenix from 1950-1969 was
about 104
degrees F.

I was there then, and this was At the Airport! There is about
five acres of irrigated green around the shaded shelter that they
take the temperature in. That much watered greenery is the
equivalent of a lot of air conditioning!

Highest temperature for the year 2002 was 113 according to the
above-mentioned page with Sky Harbor Airport data, despite that
year being

Record in 1990 was 122 in Phoenix and Yuma. List of records at
http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/refpages/RefMedia.aspx?refid=701500882

top in the 1988-2002 period for days in a year with 110-plus
degrees F.
-----------------------------------
The 122 degree F reading for June 26 1990 at Sky harbor
Airport I do
remember reading in USA Today as being an all time record high
temperature > for Phoenix. The record for the entire state of

Arizona is 128 degrees F

and at an elevation more than 600 feet lower than Sky Harbor
airport,
which makes me think the air above the desert away from the
"green"
airport does not get 10 degrees hotter than the air at the
airport.

Sometimes even more. North side of my place in Paradise Valley
the thermometer sometimes read 118 to 126 degrees, official temp
(airport) was 104 Degrees. (about 20 miles.)

Yuma is also a hot place. West of it there ARE dunes!

-----------------------------------
I remember reading in a newspaper that official temperature
readings are > taken 4 feet above the ground. That article did

say the ground can get

cooler at night, and they mentioned a figure of 4 degrees cooler
which I
believe is not the maximum possible temperature difference
between the
ground and the air 4 feet above the ground. Obviously the
ground and
air closer to the ground gets hotter when the sun is heating the
ground.

Well known that the surface will get much hotter, and if your in
the desert you try to find shade and get at least 18 inches above
ground since that is the largest change from the surface. More
gets you somewhat cooler. (Not a lot!) Without enough water a
person can die of heat stroke in as little as an hour. (Depends
on the individuals condition.)

 

Clarence_A wrote:

"Spehro Pefhany" wrote
"Clarence_A" wrote:

So your saying that Copenhagen is NOT on the Island of Zealand?
Well if you insist on mis-spelling it, I suppose you may be
right!

P.S. The city in Dänemark is "Křbenhavn" and it's on "Seeland".
;-)

Not according to the old maps I referred to. Nor many, if not
most of the references on the internet I scanned. 1167AD and
while spellings do change, I think it was at least as old and
quite possibly older than the later versions. However I am not
arguing! I am pointing out a alternate possible logically sound
interpretation!

Seesh! You would think it was an election!

He's actually illustrating the point that he doesn't understand how
spelling works and how places names change with the language being
used.

The modern habit of spelling a word in just one "correct" way is a
fairly recent innovation - traditionally, you just slapped down some
letters that sounded more or less right. The various surviving examples
of Shakespear's signature don't all spell his name the same way ...

This shows up in the way different languages spell the name of the same
place in fairly different ways. I live in Nijmegen, but if I cross the
border into Germany, the signposts all point back to Nimwegen. A
fornight ago I was driving past Cologne, but the signposts all point
towards Koeln (actually, Koln with an omlaut on top of the "o", but the
additional "e" is the standard way of representing the spelling if your
font doesn't include the omlaut).

If I were to drive down to Burgundy (Bourgogne), from here the road
goes around Luik (Liege) just after I enter Belgium (Belgie, Belgien,
Belgique) ...

---------
Bill Sloman, Nimwegen

 

[Jim Thompson]

On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 19:04:37 GMT, "Clarence_A" <no@No.com> wrote:

"Jim Thompson" wrote

Phoenix weather IS terrible. I don't know why people keep
moving
here. Please warn your friends ;-)
...Jim Thompson

Pay attention people, this man knows the extreme local conditions
well.
There are enough heat stroke deaths and incredible sun burns now,
don't risk it! Also the dreaded "Valley Fever" CAN burn your
brains out! I've seen the vacant stares of the stricken!

[snip]

Left-wing wienies are particularly susceptible to Valley Fever, or
maybe that's how they became left-wing wienies ;-)

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

 

[JeffM]

The Democrats have announced that
the Red States will secede from the Union
and form a new country
Michael Moore will be President
Jim Thompson

Didn't we discuss that color-blind thing just last week?

It's going to be a populous place.
Electoral Map--Adjusted For Population
http://synapse.princeton.edu/~sam/ev_prediction_1nov.jpg
from
http://election.princeton.edu

 

[JeffM]

Other posts remain to be filled
Jim Thompson

Ted Kennedy in charge of highway safety.
John Larkin

LOL

 

[John Walton]

I was going to put Ted Kennedy into the Coast Guard Academy, or the
Chapequidick Power Squadron..

I think that the statue of Libety will be replaced with an effigy of Eleanor
Roosevelt.

Former Governor Davis of California will head the Department of Energy.

Former Senator Toricelli (D-NJ) will head the Senate Ethics Committee.

Former N.J. Governor Jim McGreavey will have the N.J. Turnpike renamed the
"Hershey Highway", and will take a job in the Department of Health and Human
Services.

There will be a new federal govenment cabinet post "The Department of
Largesse" -- it will be headed by Jon Corzine.

There will be a new federal government cabinet post "The Department of
Large-Ass" -- it will be headed either by Madeline Albright, Janet Reno or
Madame Hilary Clinton.


"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highSNIPlandTHIStechPLEASEnology.com> wrote in
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On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 17:31:40 -0700, Dirk Gently <drk_gently@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:16:02 -0700, Jim Thompson
thegreatone@example.com
wrote:
Other posts remain to be filled

Marion Barry will be the drug czar!

Ted Kennedy in charge of highway safety.

John

 

[JeffM]

Former Governor Davis of California will head the Department of
Energy.
John Walton

I think you're being hard on Gray Davis for the wrong reason.
(Gray--doesn't that just speak volumes about the man?)
He can be faulted for being such a timid leader
on so many other issues.

In this case, the electrical contracts were in place.
Short of eminent domain,
I don't know how he could have changed things.
Damn right I'm pissed about it all, 2 years on
--now that we know the facts.

Be happy we were out front on this and took the bullet,
showing the rest of you how NOT to do deregulation
(i.e. faux deregulation).

 

[gwhite]

jason wrote:

I like this map: "Purple America"

97% voted dempublican. I call that a mandate. It sucks.

 

[gwhite]

JeffM wrote:

In this case, the electrical contracts were in place.

Factually incorrect. The flawed dereg was in already in place, but Gray "was
the guy" for the long term contracts.

 

[Stuart Brorson]

In sci.electronics.cad Richard Griffith <rgriffith@istop.com> wrote:
: EDA wannabe wrote:
:> Some colleagues and I were discussing the situation with the high tech
:> industry, with jobs moving out of North America. This has hit circuit
:> designers hard, especially those in digital. Can EDA tool development
:> be expected to follow suit, is has it already happened? If not, what
:> are the factors that differentiate it from design work to make it less
:> exportable? Comments are also welcome for automatation of methodologies
:> for programmable system-on-chip e.g. reconfigurable processor arrays.

: I would say it is time for the EDA industry to flip to open source code.
: All the fabless startups are just killed by the tool expenditures they
: need to make.

: 1. OpenSource simulator:
: analog -> spice

ngspice:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/ngspice

tclspice:
http://tclspice.sourceforge.net/

GnuCap
http://www.geda.seul.org/tools/gnucap/index.html


: digital->?
Icarus Verilog:
http://www.icarus.com/eda/verilog/

Alliance:
http://www-asim.lip6.fr/recherche/alliance/

Confluence:
http://www.launchbird.com/products.html


: mixed->?
Not there yet. :-( However, SystemC can be used for this kind of
work. Is it synthesizable yet? Are the synthesis implementations
open-source? (I don't watch this area that much.)


: 2. Schematic capture

gEDA (has schematic caputre, attribute management, netlisting,
archiving, and other utilties useful for design):
http://www.geda.seul.org/

Electric:
http://www.staticfreesoft.com/index.html

XCircuit:
http://xcircuit.ece.jhu.edu/index.html


: 3. Netlister/code capture. I don't think even the professional EDA tools
: have this right. Why does multiplier.sch or multipler.c have only 1
: view. Why not version control/views built into the editor where the
: netlister can be set to grab different versions or the editor highlight
: the delta's. A configuration view that sees all views from system level
: to extracted with all their associated versions and tags.

Not there yet, as far as I know. :-(


: 4. Layout editor/GDS viewer. How many polygons does a video game push?

Magic:
http://bach.ece.jhu.edu/~tim/programs/magic/index.html

Alliance:
http://www-asim.lip6.fr/recherche/alliance/


: 5. Schematic/Layout/System viewers that allow properties to attach.
: Wires colored by current, sized by voltage. Visualization tools.

Interesting ideas. Who implements these in the commercial world?


: I think the industry needs open source tools.

Here's the problem with open-source EDA: How will developers be able
to support themselves while writing the stuff? What's the economic
model? Right now it's a hobbiest/academic effort, and the tools are
at the point where they are useful to students, hobbiests, consultants,
and small businesses. But to really go for the high-end (as you
wish), open-source EDA needs to become economically self-supporting.

Linux became economically self-supporting (for some) when big
companies like IBM got into it. The companies supporting Linux right
now are those who see their business models as selling consulting
services, or higher-layer software (e.g. databases, accounting
systems) which runs on Linux. To them, Linux is just some plumbing
which supports their stuff. The folks who are threatened by Linux
(and open-source in general) are those who actually want to sell
software as their main line of business.

By analogy, the major EDA houses will not be the folks pushing
open-source EDA into the big-time. Rather, it will be design service
bureaus and large design houses. However, this is a fragmented
industry. There is not a single big player -- like IBM -- with the
power and vision to step up to the plate and push open-source EDA
within the industry. Also, the design services industry is not flush
with cash right now now (due to the general collapse of engineering in
the first world), so I doubt they will be hiring teams of software
developers to work on open-source EDA apps anytime soon.

Stuart

 

[Chuck Harris]

Stuart Brorson wrote:

ngspice:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/ngspice

tclspice:
http://tclspice.sourceforge.net/

GnuCap
http://www.geda.seul.org/tools/gnucap/index.html


: digital->?
Icarus Verilog:
http://www.icarus.com/eda/verilog/

Alliance:
http://www-asim.lip6.fr/recherche/alliance/

Confluence:
http://www.launchbird.com/products.html


: mixed->?
Not there yet. :-( However, SystemC can be used for this kind of
work. Is it synthesizable yet? Are the synthesis implementations
open-source? (I don't watch this area that much.)


: 2. Schematic capture

gEDA (has schematic caputre, attribute management, netlisting,
archiving, and other utilties useful for design):
http://www.geda.seul.org/

The gEDA system is a very nice idea... It is truly a shame that it
is packaged with insufficient thought to portability. It wants the
system libraries it uses to be stuffed in non standard places inorder for
it to find them. It doesn't recognize that Redhat, and some of the
other distributions use differing names for some of the normal system
libraries. (GTK+ 2 comes to mind)

If you want to install the gEDA system so it is available to all users on
a multiuser system, you have to give all of those users root privileges on
certain system directories...There is no excuse for that!

All of the example designs are broken in such a way that they cannot find
the active components to put on the schematic.

There are no examples or documents describing how the project manager is
supposed to work. Saying it is obvious isn't much help.

The CDROM that was issued the other day is even worse than useless. It
chugs and churns, but it doesn't notice that it cannot find certain libraries,
and it just goes on like everything is ok. It also rebuilds and installs
the symbol libraries so many times I thought it was stuck in a loop.

Close, but not quite ready for prime time.

-Chuck Harris

 

[Ross Mac]

"Winfield Hill" <hill_a@t_rowland-dotties-harvard-dot.s-edu> wrote in
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Ross Mac wrote...

That's an interesting statement (soviet national anthem) since the "blue
states" believe in a political philosophy that boarders on socialism????

Totally false, and a gratuitous smear on half the country.

Just an observation not a personal attack....

Right.


--
Thanks,
- Win

Well....explain your comment....all you provided was rhetoric and hey...I
was not trying to troll Paul just was making an observation....
But as they say...don't discuss politics or religion with friends and
family....I guess we could add NG's to that too...Have a great one
Win....Ross